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[Erin] Talkin' bout their generation

Wednesday June 25, 2008

Categories: Culture
Earlier today, commenter "michael" left this comment below the "Games People Play" post: Slightly off topic and I wish Erin or Rod would post on it: am I the only one taken aback by the outpouring of praise for George...
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Reaganite in NYC
June 25, 2008 6:25 PM

Erin,

Great post. It says everything about the narcissistic "Baby Boomers" who run the mainstream media that they would lionize a man best known for a comedy routine about filthy language.

aaron
June 25, 2008 6:29 PM

Interesting write-up. Rod should give you a weekly feature.

However, this Gen X'er will always fondly remember Carlin, having seen him live on his honeymoon 5 years ago.

Thomas R
June 25, 2008 6:37 PM

The boomers are a narcissistic generation. Carlin's act was anti-religion, mean, and in later years a bit misanthropic. And yet...

Even though I was born in 1977 I think the man was talented and very notable. He was probably one of the most significant stand-up comedians ever. And even if I disagreed with most of what he said he could make one laugh and think, which aren't bad things. (Although I think after his first wife died he got too dark and cantankerous for me)

Don
June 25, 2008 6:52 PM

I think that Carlin rose above the level of being a comedian to the level of social satirist. I found him amusing, intelligent, and thought-provoking. Did I agree with the positions he espoused in his act? No. Of course, many people didn't find Swift particularly amusing in his time. I guess my enjoying him could be a function of my age, but I don't find such reductive thinking very profound. I am reminded of Emerson when I think of Carlin and other people who's opinions I appreciate but don't agree with: "Truly speaking, it is not instruction, but provocation, that I can receive from another soul."

AMH
June 25, 2008 7:00 PM

Erin:
-Thanks for the "Generation Jones" reference; I'd never heard that before, but it sums up exactly what I have always felt about being lumped in with the Boomers. I have always felt a certain affinity with the Gen X'r's that I did not share the Big Chill crowd (love the 60's era music, though).

-I hope George Carlin is in a better place now - he made a lot of people laugh and think, for better or worse. He always struck me as someone being more angry with God and/or the Church, and I always wondered if he really believed his own "there is no God" comedy schtick. Also, I think that organized religion (which he viewed as the ultimate con job) really did provide him with some pretty good raw material for his act.

Derek Copold
June 25, 2008 7:01 PM

What I find sadly ironic is that many of the same people lionizing Carlin for his fighting for the right to be publicly obscene would push through the Fairness Doctrine solely for the sake of shutting up their political opposition.

Zach
June 25, 2008 7:02 PM

Carlin's early albums- Class Clown, A Place for My Stuff- are classics. Only in the last ten years did he turn into Mr. Crotchety Old Man.

who knew
June 25, 2008 7:13 PM

...Carlin's act was anti=religion, mean, and in later years a bit misanthropic. And yet...

And yet he became Mr. Conductor on the "Shining Time Station" series around 1994 or so. A series which featured wholesome preachy "Thomas The Tank Engine" animated stories that were based on books written by a British minister(Auden, I think his name was). Carlin was Mr. Conductor just after Ringo Starr and just before Alec Baldwin, leading me to queation just what it was the people in charge of casting were smoking.

And yet my then toddler age son loved him. He was the first in our family to hear that George had died. He had to wake his Dad out of a sound sleep to get a little company for his misery. He and his dad bonded that night over shared, albeit vastly different, memories of George Carlin.

mdavid
June 25, 2008 7:14 PM

Erin,

...to the Boomers Carlin's comedy was like the Beatles' music--part of a culture that, with all its faults, was genuinely theirs.

This is really good copy.

I often wonder what will happen when the boomers start to lose their grip on the the culture. I think it will be pretty tough to tell for awhile, because gen-x has spent too long in the shadows and won't know what to do when their time comes. The boomers are so much larger numerically (and percentage of wealth wise) they will hold the keys to the culture longer than any generation to date. In a certain sense, they owned the culture as far back as 1964 when everyone anticipated them, yet might not let it fully go until 2014. So I think we are in for a wild ride during the transition, and a lot of pent-up gen-x frutration will be released without much unity or direction.

PetRock235
June 25, 2008 7:16 PM

Carlin is recently famous for some diatribes which he didn't write, which were attributed to him on the Internet. www.snopes.com has at least seven separate references. www.georgecarlin.com has disclaimers.

michael
June 25, 2008 7:27 PM

Thank you Erin for making this a topic. Carlin's anti-religous sentiments seemed particularly valued by those who praised him, as if proving him a courageous speaker of truth to power. Although I wonder if he ever played the Riyadh Comedy Club (or anywhere else) and made anti-Mohammed jokes.

CultureVulture
June 25, 2008 7:35 PM

Really hated to see Carlin die; he was an original. I'm proudly part of Generation Jones, and one could argue that it was actually Jonesers (born '54-'65), rather than the real Boomers (born '42-'53) who were more influenced by Carlin, because we were younger and more impressionable. I was wondering earlier today whether Barack Obama felt a loss about Carlin---Obama, born in 1961, is a classic GenJoneser, and I'd guess he was familiar with Cralin's work as a kid or teen.

Gary
June 25, 2008 7:53 PM

Erin, how does a generation come to produce generational "faults", or for that matter, virtues?

How are you producing our generation's faults and virtues?

Thanks!

Gary

Erin Manning
June 25, 2008 7:59 PM

Easy, Gary; I, along with many others in my generation, am wasting way too much time on the Internet. Time will tell if that's a virtue or a fault. :)

Seriously, though, I think that the way people choose to spend their time, the values and virtues they embrace and the ones they reject, the vices and evils they accept, and the ones they fight against, the ideas they articulate, and the ones they disparage or dismantle, are all things that impact a generation and the effect it leaves behind. Not every individual will share the group's outlook in these areas, but when enough of them do, you have a force that can be powerful enough to shape a culture, for good or for ill.

Scott Walker
June 25, 2008 8:26 PM

I'll miss Carlin. He told the truth as he saw it. So did Mark Twain, H.L. Mencken, George Orwell and Hunter S. Thompson. I think God favors the crazy people who see an idiosyncratic truth and hold to it, whether they are popular or not. I also think that God is big enough to not get too upset when people say unkind things about him. Nobody blasphemes as effectively as a religious nut or an Inquisitor or a corrupt bishop. Carlin's sins pale next to priestly abusers of children and their hierarchical enablers.

Unsympathetic reader
June 25, 2008 8:57 PM

I thought Carlin was an extremely funny satirist. His stage shows were hilarious. Given the impact of his work on later comics and writers, I think the attention given Carlin is perfectly appropriate.

recovering ex-Pentecostal
June 25, 2008 9:19 PM

"Nobody blasphemes as effectively as a religious nut or an Inquisitor or a corrupt bishop."

Now that's good copy.

Kanakaberaka
June 25, 2008 9:22 PM

Carlin's early albums- Class Clown, A Place for My Stuff- are classics. Only in the last ten years did he turn into Mr. Crotchety Old Man.Posted by: Zach |

Roland de Chanson
June 25, 2008 9:35 PM

I remember Carlin from ... oh... when he started. Hippy-Dippy Mailman routine and all that. Before the infamous "Seven Words".

He was an eccentric. A talent of scope. Among the intellectually hebetudinous, he ran the gamut from the puerile to the sophomoric.

Kanakaberaka
June 25, 2008 9:36 PM

Carlin's early albums- Class Clown, A Place for My Stuff- are classics. Only in the last ten years did he turn into Mr. Crotchety Old Man.Posted by: Zach |

You've got that right, Zach. A friend of mine shared George Carlin's comedy albums with me back during the 70's. I loved routines such as the indian sergeant and Wonderful WINO. He didn't only use the seven words you can't say on television. He scrutinized all sort of terms. "Why is it flamable, inflamable or non-inflamable? Either it flams or it doesn't". I only wish he had been given a bigger part in "Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure.

Anonymous
June 25, 2008 10:07 PM

My dad -- conservative, military man, born during World War II.

Loved Carlin.

Me -- Gen X, liberal.

Thought he was talented, but didn't particularly like or even "get" him.

I think the idea of Carlin as generational touchstone is wise ...

Anonymous
June 25, 2008 11:45 PM

The media will make a fuss over just about anything that does not matter.

Tony D.
June 26, 2008 10:29 AM

Not much to add here, but my parents started playing George's records in the house when I was 5 or 6, and I was reciting his routines from memory long before I understood the jokes...He was vulgar and brilliant, and I'll miss him.

From (I think) "AM and FM" (1971):

"Timothy Leary's brother, Really Leary, today announced the formation of a new religion which teaches that when you die, your soul goes to a garage in Buffalo."

Romulus
June 26, 2008 12:17 PM

Edgy, daring, risk-taking comedians aren't re-invited to appear on the Tonight Show 100+ times. Carlin was the perfect entertainer for a comfortable, self-regarding generation that adores to think of itself as unconventional. The first time most of these smug narcissists dosing in front of their TVs will encounter anything unconventional will be when they meet their Maker.

They think Carlin doing his bad-boy routine was shocking? They have no idea.

The Tonight Show, for pete's sake. Sheesh.

elizabeth
June 26, 2008 12:47 PM

Carlin's Seven-Words routine tried to illustrate that the biggest obscenity is on TV daily: war.

Naughty words, those are "shocking." Hacking people up, dropping incendiary bombs on villages full of children and old people and farmers - same old, same old.

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