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[Erin] The un-crunchy banana

Thursday June 19, 2008

Categories: Food
One of the areas where Rod and I sometimes disagree is on the topic of food, and in particular what the crunchy-minded ought to do about such things as organic products, local purchases, and the like. For instance, when Rod...
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MI
June 19, 2008 2:01 PM

Query: Is the transportation of imported bananas primarily by air or sea?

stefanie
June 19, 2008 2:33 PM

Plantation crops grown in 3rd world countries have about the same sad stories of near-slavery, exploitation, and the US gov't suppressing any labor movements in favor of corporations. I have never felt the same way about pineapple again after learning about the US coup over the Hawaiian monarchy, all in the interests of pineapple and sugar corporations.

I'm not sure how many of these "exotics" (pineapple, bananas, chocolate, some spices) can be economically grown in the USA. So we are going to continue to rely on imports.

Also, yes, if you want to strictly "eat within 100 miles" outside of CA or FL or the Northwest Coast, you had better can, freeze, or have a good root cellar. And you'll be eating a lot of cabbages, potatoes, and turnips ... ; )

Franz
June 19, 2008 2:37 PM

I did not really get into Laura Ingalls Wilder's books as a kid (I was a boy, after all), but I did read "Farmer Boy," which was her account of her husband's boyhood on a farm in upstate New York. In one episode, the boy receives, as a rare and exotic treat, an orange. I began to realize that, in twentieth century America, we lived very differently than people just eighty or one hundred years before. It's worth remembering as we make our way into the twenty first.

That said, we should not forget the role trade in food has played historically. Egyptian grain helped feed Rome, and and international trade in salt had a huge impact on civilization from antiquity. Erin's right, though, we were talking non-perishables (or at least preserved food). When transportation is expensive, trade will be limited to higher added value items with longer shelf life. For example, Kentucky developed bourbon in part as a way to realize cash out of corn crops. Corn was too bulky to transport profitably back to the population centers back East. Whiskey was another matter.

Which brings us to another side of this. If it is no longer economically feasible to transport certain perishable items (cut flowers, fresh fruit and vegetables) by air, do those crops get replaced by something more transportable? Part of the 'war on drugs' involved promoting alternative crops. Will increased fuel costs prompt Columbian tulip growers and Peruvian asparagras farmers to return to coca?

Don
June 19, 2008 2:54 PM

Your description of how agribusiness manipulated crops for their own benefit, creating a loss in the diversity of products available to the public, is similar to what General Motors did purchasing city bus/trolley systems, then closing them down to increase the public demand for a more personal mode of transportation and the benefit of GM.

The Man From K Street
June 19, 2008 3:04 PM

To be honest, I have wondered why the Stuff White People Like crowd hasn't glommed on to paw-paws (the "Prairie Banana") as a 'local' and 'authentic' alternative to tropical bananas, something distinctively American that they can use as a status symbol. Sort of like the way the Coen Bros. and NPR jointly acted to rebrand an entire musical genre from "Bluegrass" (white trashy) to "American Roots" (salt-of-the-earth and authentic).

Maybe the trends outlined here will change that. Perhaps by 2015 or so the New York Times Magazine will hold up the idea of starting a paw-paw plantation in Indiana as the ultimate height of Bobo self-actualization in place of buying a vineyard in Napa.

Other Jim
June 19, 2008 3:07 PM

I read that story and see human ingenuity in full display (sans the shootings, but that's not atypical behavior for the period). Bananas went from exotic to a daily staple.

We'll still have exotic foods with high oil prices. When shipping costs increase, the only goods that will pay to ship are the expensive ones. I don't see the benefit in reducing our choices either, and it's far worse for people in Latin America. Basically poor people everywhere will lose out. Poor people in the developed countries will be unable to buy higher quality and more flavorful imported foods, and poor people in developing countries will be unable to trade. Economies like China and India will enter a permanent depression without access to the free markets, assuming they don't have revolutions.

Zach
June 19, 2008 3:11 PM

Query: Is the transportation of imported bananas primarily by air or sea?

By sea. Given the quantity, it's more economical.

LeeAnn
June 19, 2008 3:16 PM

I was/am a huge fan of 100 Mile Diet...until I was diagnosed with celiac disease. At least two of my four children have gluten-intolerance. Now almost every packaged food I eat (which isn't much anymore) is imported from far away.

My favorite gluten-free pasta (and the only one worth eating, really) is from Canada. Bananas have become a staple of the diet again. All my flours come from Bob's Red Mill in teeny little packages from out of state.

If I had unlimited income, I could try to buy local produce, meat and dairy but with the added expense of gluten-free food products, most local boutique/artisan foods have gone out of reach financially. I have had to compromise what I would like to do with what I had to do for health and financial reasons.

My saving grace: I have my own garden--though little harvested yet here in Lower Narnia where it's perpetually stuck halfway between winter and spring (aka western Washington state).


LeeAnn
June 19, 2008 3:21 PM

We had a banana tree in our backyard in southern California. Does anyone grow bananas commercially in the US?

The Man From K Street
June 19, 2008 4:22 PM

Does anyone grow bananas commercially in the US?

9070 metric tons in 2006 according to FAO data at http://faostat.fao.org/site/567/DesktopDefault.aspx?PageID=567

Mostly in Hawaii, a smattering of plants in Florida. However, that total is somewhat south of Mexico's 2M metric tons, to say nothing of India's 16.8M tons. I suspect the reason we can't grow more bananas in the Aloha State is the same as why those islands have no meaningful citrus industry: Mediterranean fruit fly and other non-native pest infestations.

MI
June 19, 2008 4:24 PM

By sea. Given the quantity, it's more economical.

As I suspected. In which case, I'm not sure "the rising cost of oil" has much to do with banana inflation. The energy efficiency (*) of maritime transport means that even large increases in fuel cost would not necessarily increase food costs by much.


(*) See peakoildebunked.blogspot.com/2005/08/55-will-peak-oil-make-long-distance.html

Also iea.org/textbase/nptable/Modal%20Energy%20Intensities.pdf

Richard
June 19, 2008 4:35 PM

The United Fruit Co.
by Pablo Neruda

When the trumpet sounded, it was
all prepared on the earth,
and Jehovah parceled out the earth
to Coca-Cola, Inc., Anaconda,
Ford Motors, and other entities:
The Fruit Company, Inc.
reserved for itself the most succulent,
the central coast of my own land,
the delicate waist of America.
It rechristened its territories
as the “Banana Republics”
and over the sleeping dead,
over the restless heroes
who brought about the greatness,
the liberty and the flags,
it established the comic opera:
abolished the independencies,
presented crowns of Caesar,
unsheathed envy, attracted
the dictatorship of the flies,
Trujillo flies, Tacho flies,
Carias flies, Martinez flies,
Ubico flies, damp flies
of modest blood and marmalade,
drunken flies who zoom
over the ordinary graves,
circus flies, wise flies
well trained in tyranny.

Among the bloodthirsty flies
the Fruit Company lands its ships,
taking off the coffee and the fruit;
the treasure of our submerged
territories flows as though
on plates into the ships.

Meanwhile Indians are falling
into the sugared chasms
of the harbors, wrapped
for burial in the mist of the dawn:
a body rolls, a thing
that has no name, a fallen cipher,
a cluster of dead fruit
thrown down on the dump.

—translated from the Spanish by Robert Bly

The Man From K Street
June 19, 2008 5:03 PM

The United Fruit Co.
by Pablo Neruda

Ah yes, Neruda. I love reading poems castigating banana planters written by unrepentant celebrants and defenders of the Gulag. It's all relative, you know.

Bob
June 19, 2008 5:13 PM

I agree that assigning a 100 mile radius is arbitrary, but there's more to it. The recent spate of peak oil and economic decline discussions have made the idea of local food much more relevant, particularly with the corn and soy crops lost to the floods. The people who are trying to eat local now are doing so out of a desire to see if they could actually eat locally if there were to be large-scale petroleum energy shortages due to unmet demand, war, terrorism etc.

If you have the money, you can eat whatever you can afford to buy, regardless of where it comes from. But there's no escaping that petroleum based agriculture will one day come to an end. We got by without oil-based agriculture until about 1850. In a few decades at the latest, we'll be without oil-based agriculture again.

As for eating local now when you don't have to, sometimes virtue is the only reward.

aaron
June 19, 2008 5:18 PM

To be honest, I have wondered why the Stuff White People Like crowd hasn't glommed on to paw-paws (the "Prairie Banana") as a 'local' and 'authentic' alternative to tropical bananas, something distinctively American that they can use as a status symbol. Sort of like the way the Coen Bros. and NPR jointly acted to rebrand an entire musical genre from "Bluegrass" (white trashy) to "American Roots" (salt-of-the-earth and authentic).

Maybe the trends outlined here will change that. Perhaps by 2015 or so the New York Times Magazine will hold up the idea of starting a paw-paw plantation in Indiana as the ultimate height of Bobo self-actualization in place of buying a vineyard in Napa.

My understanding is the paw paw doesn't transport/store very well. For a similar example I have a lovely mulberry tree in my yard that produces wonderfully delicious mulberry's (they look and taste like big sweet rasp/blackberries) but you pretty much have to eat them the day they're picked.

stefanie
June 20, 2008 9:20 AM

I think our whole view of gardening is too conditioned by California (for instance, every time, it seems, I see a gardening book, TV show, etc., the author is usually from the Bay Area or LA. Or the Northwest Coast.) Yes, if you have a year-round growing season, you can pace yourself with fruits and vegetables. But in the Real World where most of us live (LOL), fruit comes in all at once, mostly. That means you eat it fresh till you're sick of it, and can or freeze the rest. Then it's "same time, next year."

Every meal I prepare reminds me of how relatively "luxuriously" we eat. We eat fresh fruit and vegetables at least twice a day, all year round. This would have been unheard of a hundred years ago, or maybe even fifty. If we were truly to "eat local," we would have to resort to a greenhouse, hydroponics, or drug-dealer-level "grow lights" to eat the same level of fresh produce.

It's like in that Michael Moore movie, Sicko, when Moore is interviewing the French couple in their Paris apartment. Moore asks them what they spend their money on, and the wife opens the refrigerator (stuffed with produce; hardly a packaged product to be seen.) "The vegetables," she says apologetically. "The vegetables are very expensive."

"Eating local" in the summertime is a wonderful thing. All I'm saying is that we shouldn't fool ourselves about the other 8-9 months of the year.

who knew
June 20, 2008 9:40 AM

Maybe we should plow DisneyWorld under and turn it into a banana plantation.

Seriously, though, in my neck of the woods, everyday the woods are being plowed down to make more room for strip malls and housing developments. Nobody got the memo about the martgage crisis around here. (Around here being a very depressed area =40% poverty rate in our little city.) How are we supposed to be raising food to eat within a hundred miles when it is all newly built empty houses and newly built empty strip malls.

aaron
June 20, 2008 10:45 AM

Stefanie raises some good points but I think everyone is too focused on "fresh", I'm much happier knowing it's something I grew chemical/pesticide free and stored/packaged/handled by me. A cold cellar can store certain varieties of apples and pears for months. The apples/pears you don't want to store whole, dry them, and when the 'fresh' apples/pears run out, use your dried apples on actual fresh salad greens you can be growing in a simple cold frame through most of the dreary winter months. They're still giving you a serving of fruits afterall. POtatoes, squash, onions, garlic, cabbage also store well in cold storage, and once again, grown by you. YOu can overwinter a few dwarf citrus trees if you have a sun room or good southern exposure and they'll be giving you fresh citrus all winter long. While there's nothing better than a fresh summer tomato from the garden, the next best thing are all the tomatoes and tomato sauces canned from the garden, again pesticide/chemical free and no worries of salmonella, and you'll enjoy those delicious tomatoes all winter long. I hear with heavy mulch, your fall crop of carrots can be overwintered in the ground, pull em as you need them. Peas/beans can be canned, dried or frozen. Extra grapes or berries? Make wine! Drink and enjoy that wine as you combine your fresh seasonals with your 'fresh' stored produce.

A lot of the above can be done by anybody with a little land and good sun exposure, sure, you won't be growing your own wheat or other grains, but the 100 mile diet could be lived in spirit if we took the time to produce some of our own food, especially those staples we really enjoy. Just because you live in Minnesota and want to try and do a 100 mile diet, doesn't mean you can't have citrus, just get a dwarf citrus and overwinter inside.

It's great we can walk into a grocery store and get produce 24/7, but how fresh is it? How much handling has it received, how far has it been transported, was it irradiated, what residual chemicals are on it, is it carrying pathogenic bacteria or viruses, is it imported and therefore a vector for new plant disease or carrying exotic insects?

Karen Brown
June 20, 2008 11:08 AM

I remember watching a really old movie (probably made in the 30-40's) about dirt farmers. I think, besides telling a story, the movie was trying to sort of gently inform viewers about the connection between diet and health.. The kids in the family got sick the first year, and the doctor told the parents what the kids needed was milk, and vegetables. They were shocked, and said simply, 'Its winter. How can you eat vegetables in the winter?'

Yeah, we don't realize how different things are than they used to be.

Northerner
June 20, 2008 12:09 PM

Growing citrus indoors isn't an easy task. We have a dwarf Lemon tree, and I think we've gotten 3 lemons from it in the 10 years we've owned it.
Granted, we don't have a sunroom - but I have to wonder how the heat lost through sunroom windows would compare to the energy spent to transport fresh citrus from places where it is normally grown.

aaron
June 20, 2008 1:57 PM

Sunrooms are usually separate from the rest of the heated living space, so if anything they should help hold heat in the house by creating an additional buffer between the house and elements. Citrus trees are full sun plants and will require direct and/or overhead sun and humidity in the winter.

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