Rod Dreher is an editorial columnist for the Dallas Morning News, and author of "Crunchy Cons" (Crown Forum), a nonfiction book about conservatives, most of them religious, whose faith and political convictions sometimes put them at odds with mainstream conservatives. The views expressed in this blog are his own.
Brad Pitt's Canadian?
I would think that Brad (who just bought a 60 million dollar estate in France) could now quit a his day job and devote himself to his passion full-time. I see BP's commitment to living a green life (and green architecture) does not preclude him from jetting around the world constantly with his ever expanding family so that Angie can give birth in various different countries. Sorry but I'm not impressed with hypocritical Hollywood celebrities. Fine, you're obscenely rich, do whatever you want and spend your money as you see fit, but don't lecture the rest of the world on how to live. They need to get over their self-important egos and be the freaks of nature eye candy that they are.
Whilst 'whilst' is le dernier cri amongst poseurs of the hoity-toity, 'while' is all the rage among posers of the hoi polloi.
Whilst I think Brad Pitt is hot.... wait? What were we talking about?
That's hoi polloi without the initial article, Roland. The way you used it, it reads "the the people."
;-D
(I prefer the correct usage of archaic words to the dreck being passed as English lately.)
I'm waiting for him to use betwixt.
Franklin Evans: That's hoi polloi without the initial article, Roland. The way you used it, it reads "the the people."
What can I say? I stammer diglossically. :-) Please accept my mea culpa. Oops, I meant, please accept my culpa.
(Actually, hoi polloi means "the many"; hoi laoi would mean "the people".)
Brad Pitt's passion is architecture?
Gosh, I'm sure that I.M. Pei will be sweating at the thought of this hot new competitor and that Frank Lloyd Wright and Philip Johnson and the other greats will be watching anxiously from above to learn if their legacies are threatened.
To paraphrase the classic line, I say to BP: "Shut up and act already."
Sayeth the Bard, Simpson-"Actors-is there anything they DON'T know?"
I'm not one hundred percent sure, but I think he's using the word incorrectly anyway. "Whilst" is used in place of "while" when actually discussing events occuring at the same time, not when "while" is being used in place of "although".
I have just one thing to say to you, Roland: Quod licit Bon Jovi non licit bovis.
[cue raspberry sounds]
[The original sentence is Quod licit Jovis non licit bovis, of course... but there's plenty of bull going around, eh?]
Of course, architecture being his passion doesn't necessarily mean he plans on being an architect. Some love art as a passion, and that means they surround themselves with it, not that they create it themselves.
He did buy, not build, that house. Maybe he's going to get into restoration. (Though using 'whilst' is ridiculous. Though given I hang around a lot of those KJV 1611 types, not as ridiculous as some things I've heard.)
I'm not one to defend Brad Pitt. But, in this case, I think that he was trying a little humor rather than pretension.
Finally found the article. Looks like he's going to be helping design hotels in Dubai. (I think anyone can apparently do anything in Dubai, as long as they have enough money.)
Well, hopefully, he's got at least the technical skills. Unlike paint on a canvas, a building has to actually meet some safety standards and such.
Franklin Evans: The original sentence is Quod licit Jovis non licit bovis, of course...
Almost.
Quod licet Iovi non licet bovi.
So, why are we whining about some actor who likes architecture? Seriously, who freakin' cares?
Brad Pitt and I have the same birthday. Which may account for the fact that we both are amazingly attractive and prone to using words like "whilst" and "amongst" inappropriately.
Now, a short pause whilst I slam down a giant-sized mug of life-giving caffeine. Converse amongst yourselves.
Ooops, sorry, Roland. My mother spoke Latin with a Slavic accent. ;-)
"So, why are we whining about some actor who likes architecture? Seriously, who freakin' cares?"
Because Rod cares, we care.
(Actually, hoi polloi means "the many"; hoi laoi would mean "the people".)
Since we're being pedantic about Latin and Greek, actually hoi laoi would generally mean "the peoples, plural. Laos in Greek, like demos in Greek and populus and gens in Latin (and gente in Spanish, etc.) is a noun generally used in the singular to refer to a collective population as a singular entity, e.g. "The American people". As my Spanish teacher used to say, and as I pass on to my Latin and Greek students, this is the "people" as an "it", not "people" as a "they", and it takes a singular verb.
So hoi laoi, like populi in Latin, would generally mean "the peoples", as in "the French, British, and American peoples".
Verbum sursum tu mater hominibus!
Art Vandelay?
"Word above thou mother to men"?!
These people called the Romanes, they go the house? ;-)
David J. White: Since we're being pedantic about Latin and Greek ...
I don't entirely disagree with your point but given the long history of the Greek language, it is inevitable that words will change their meaning with time. Classically, and in Homer (particularly the Odyssey), laoi means men, soldiers, sailors, people, as does laos in certain writers. The sense you describe is probably a Koine (more precisely biblical, cf. laoi, ethnê, oxloi) usage, when the dialects had coalesced and the best Attic and Ionic was of interest to scholars and pedants.
Actually too, there is a difference in the British and American use of such collective nouns; the committee vote vs votes.
What's the hotel supposed to look like?
Max, I don't think shouting insults at the bus about its mother will get it to stop. ;-)
You've finally made clear, Franklin, the Russian adage, "Women are like buses."
This has to be the most surreal CC thread ever.
Oh my gosh, mm. You just explained why my mother spoke Latin with a Slavic accent!!
What guilest!
I thought it was "Women like busses." No wonder my cheeks hurt.
Sorry for writing in crayon, Franklin. They don't let me use pencils in here.
No, it means "Word up to your mother homey!" It's the New Urban Latin, so getting it "wrong" is intentional.
But where does the bus come in? And is the graffiti on it done in crayon?
I'd answer, Franklin, but I'm moving to Wyoming at 5:30.
I agree there's the chance Mr Pitt was being facetious using whilst that way without caring about getting it right.
It's properly used for actions happening at the same time to show a contrast: Whilst I was doing open-heart surgery I put a kettle on.
So yes, using it for although sounds wrong.
The contrast aspect is also the difference between among and amongst: Blessed art thou amongst women contrasts Mary to other women.
Regarding hoi polloi IIRC even Gilbert and Sullivan got it wrong in one of their songs (in Iolanthe) as 'the hoi polloi'. I've always heard it with the.
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Yes, you're right about the line in Iolanthe. But I think that the usage "the hoi polloi" has become well established in English -- just as the usage "ATM machine"; since the "M" stand for "machine", when you say "ATM machine" you're saying "automatic teller machine machine".
Brad Pitt and I have the same birthday.
Saddam Hussein and I have the same birthday.
It's unfair to accuse Brad of being some architectural poseur. Construction and design is central to his life...why, even his wife is built like the proverbial brick ....house. :)
Wendell Berry and I have the same birthday.
Cap'n Crunch and Frankenberry have the same birthday as mine.
MM, safe trip to Wyoming. Just one question: why, oh why, oh Wyoming?
"MM, safe trip to Wyoming. Just one question: why, oh why, oh Wyoming?"
I heard something about becoming a dental floss tycoon.
Hah! Sounds like something others can sink their teeth into.
Max! You peeked.
This week's Time Magazine quotes Pitt as saying "WHILE acting is my career, etc."
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