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Wednesday June 4, 2008

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Brad Pitt: "Whilst acting is my career, architecture is my passion." Whilst? Vomst....
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carly
June 4, 2008 8:14 AM

Brad Pitt's Canadian?

thomps
June 4, 2008 8:19 AM

I would think that Brad (who just bought a 60 million dollar estate in France) could now quit a his day job and devote himself to his passion full-time. I see BP's commitment to living a green life (and green architecture) does not preclude him from jetting around the world constantly with his ever expanding family so that Angie can give birth in various different countries. Sorry but I'm not impressed with hypocritical Hollywood celebrities. Fine, you're obscenely rich, do whatever you want and spend your money as you see fit, but don't lecture the rest of the world on how to live. They need to get over their self-important egos and be the freaks of nature eye candy that they are.

Roland de Chanson
June 4, 2008 8:40 AM

Whilst 'whilst' is le dernier cri amongst poseurs of the hoity-toity, 'while' is all the rage among posers of the hoi polloi.

Sarah in Maryland
June 4, 2008 8:52 AM

Whilst I think Brad Pitt is hot.... wait? What were we talking about?

Franklin Evans
June 4, 2008 9:17 AM

That's hoi polloi without the initial article, Roland. The way you used it, it reads "the the people."

;-D

(I prefer the correct usage of archaic words to the dreck being passed as English lately.)

David J. White
June 4, 2008 9:54 AM

I'm waiting for him to use betwixt.

Roland de Chanson
June 4, 2008 10:00 AM

Franklin Evans: That's hoi polloi without the initial article, Roland. The way you used it, it reads "the the people."

What can I say? I stammer diglossically. :-) Please accept my mea culpa. Oops, I meant, please accept my culpa.

(Actually, hoi polloi means "the many"; hoi laoi would mean "the people".)

Reaganite in NYC
June 4, 2008 10:01 AM

Brad Pitt's passion is architecture?

Gosh, I'm sure that I.M. Pei will be sweating at the thought of this hot new competitor and that Frank Lloyd Wright and Philip Johnson and the other greats will be watching anxiously from above to learn if their legacies are threatened.

To paraphrase the classic line, I say to BP: "Shut up and act already."

Bugg
June 4, 2008 10:12 AM

Sayeth the Bard, Simpson-"Actors-is there anything they DON'T know?"

allen
June 4, 2008 10:22 AM

I'm not one hundred percent sure, but I think he's using the word incorrectly anyway. "Whilst" is used in place of "while" when actually discussing events occuring at the same time, not when "while" is being used in place of "although".

Franklin Evans
June 4, 2008 10:29 AM

I have just one thing to say to you, Roland: Quod licit Bon Jovi non licit bovis.

[cue raspberry sounds]

[The original sentence is Quod licit Jovis non licit bovis, of course... but there's plenty of bull going around, eh?]

Karen Brown
June 4, 2008 10:36 AM

Of course, architecture being his passion doesn't necessarily mean he plans on being an architect. Some love art as a passion, and that means they surround themselves with it, not that they create it themselves.

He did buy, not build, that house. Maybe he's going to get into restoration. (Though using 'whilst' is ridiculous. Though given I hang around a lot of those KJV 1611 types, not as ridiculous as some things I've heard.)

watsy
June 4, 2008 10:37 AM

I'm not one to defend Brad Pitt. But, in this case, I think that he was trying a little humor rather than pretension.

Karen Brown
June 4, 2008 10:42 AM

Finally found the article. Looks like he's going to be helping design hotels in Dubai. (I think anyone can apparently do anything in Dubai, as long as they have enough money.)

Well, hopefully, he's got at least the technical skills. Unlike paint on a canvas, a building has to actually meet some safety standards and such.

Roland de Chanson
June 4, 2008 11:39 AM

Franklin Evans: The original sentence is Quod licit Jovis non licit bovis, of course...

Almost.

Quod licet Iovi non licet bovi.

Captain Noble
June 4, 2008 12:03 PM

So, why are we whining about some actor who likes architecture? Seriously, who freakin' cares?

Salamander
June 4, 2008 12:13 PM

Brad Pitt and I have the same birthday. Which may account for the fact that we both are amazingly attractive and prone to using words like "whilst" and "amongst" inappropriately.

Now, a short pause whilst I slam down a giant-sized mug of life-giving caffeine. Converse amongst yourselves.

Franklin Evans
June 4, 2008 12:29 PM

Ooops, sorry, Roland. My mother spoke Latin with a Slavic accent. ;-)

cory
June 4, 2008 1:19 PM

"So, why are we whining about some actor who likes architecture? Seriously, who freakin' cares?"

Because Rod cares, we care.

David J. White
June 4, 2008 2:05 PM

(Actually, hoi polloi means "the many"; hoi laoi would mean "the people".)

Since we're being pedantic about Latin and Greek, actually hoi laoi would generally mean "the peoples, plural. Laos in Greek, like demos in Greek and populus and gens in Latin (and gente in Spanish, etc.) is a noun generally used in the singular to refer to a collective population as a singular entity, e.g. "The American people". As my Spanish teacher used to say, and as I pass on to my Latin and Greek students, this is the "people" as an "it", not "people" as a "they", and it takes a singular verb.

So hoi laoi, like populi in Latin, would generally mean "the peoples", as in "the French, British, and American peoples".

Max Schadenfreude
June 4, 2008 2:15 PM

Verbum sursum tu mater hominibus!

Other Jim
June 4, 2008 2:31 PM

Art Vandelay?

David J. White
June 4, 2008 2:40 PM

"Word above thou mother to men"?!

These people called the Romanes, they go the house? ;-)

Roland de Chanson
June 4, 2008 2:47 PM

David J. White: Since we're being pedantic about Latin and Greek ...

I don't entirely disagree with your point but given the long history of the Greek language, it is inevitable that words will change their meaning with time. Classically, and in Homer (particularly the Odyssey), laoi means men, soldiers, sailors, people, as does laos in certain writers. The sense you describe is probably a Koine (more precisely biblical, cf. laoi, ethnê, oxloi) usage, when the dialects had coalesced and the best Attic and Ionic was of interest to scholars and pedants.

Actually too, there is a difference in the British and American use of such collective nouns; the committee vote vs votes.

Dale Price
June 4, 2008 3:09 PM

What's the hotel supposed to look like?

Franklin Evans
June 4, 2008 4:05 PM

Max, I don't think shouting insults at the bus about its mother will get it to stop. ;-)

mm
June 4, 2008 4:51 PM

You've finally made clear, Franklin, the Russian adage, "Women are like buses."

Erin Manning
June 4, 2008 8:16 PM

This has to be the most surreal CC thread ever.

Franklin Evans
June 4, 2008 8:43 PM

Oh my gosh, mm. You just explained why my mother spoke Latin with a Slavic accent!!

mm
June 4, 2008 9:06 PM

What guilest!

Franklin Evans
June 4, 2008 9:19 PM

I thought it was "Women like busses." No wonder my cheeks hurt.

mm
June 4, 2008 9:31 PM

Sorry for writing in crayon, Franklin. They don't let me use pencils in here.

Max Schadenfreude
June 4, 2008 10:16 PM

No, it means "Word up to your mother homey!" It's the New Urban Latin, so getting it "wrong" is intentional.

Franklin Evans
June 4, 2008 11:33 PM

But where does the bus come in? And is the graffiti on it done in crayon?

mm
June 5, 2008 7:12 AM

I'd answer, Franklin, but I'm moving to Wyoming at 5:30.

The young fogey
June 5, 2008 9:28 AM

I agree there's the chance Mr Pitt was being facetious using whilst that way without caring about getting it right.

It's properly used for actions happening at the same time to show a contrast: Whilst I was doing open-heart surgery I put a kettle on.

So yes, using it for although sounds wrong.

The contrast aspect is also the difference between among and amongst: Blessed art thou amongst women contrasts Mary to other women.

Regarding hoi polloi IIRC even Gilbert and Sullivan got it wrong in one of their songs (in Iolanthe) as 'the hoi polloi'. I've always heard it with the.

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David J. White
June 5, 2008 10:26 AM

Yes, you're right about the line in Iolanthe. But I think that the usage "the hoi polloi" has become well established in English -- just as the usage "ATM machine"; since the "M" stand for "machine", when you say "ATM machine" you're saying "automatic teller machine machine".

Brad Pitt and I have the same birthday.

Saddam Hussein and I have the same birthday.

JPL
June 5, 2008 11:38 AM

It's unfair to accuse Brad of being some architectural poseur. Construction and design is central to his life...why, even his wife is built like the proverbial brick ....house. :)

mm
June 5, 2008 1:00 PM

Wendell Berry and I have the same birthday.

Franklin Evans
June 5, 2008 1:09 PM

Cap'n Crunch and Frankenberry have the same birthday as mine.

MM, safe trip to Wyoming. Just one question: why, oh why, oh Wyoming?

Max Schadenfreude
June 5, 2008 4:22 PM

"MM, safe trip to Wyoming. Just one question: why, oh why, oh Wyoming?"

I heard something about becoming a dental floss tycoon.

Franklin Evans
June 5, 2008 4:35 PM

Hah! Sounds like something others can sink their teeth into.

mm
June 5, 2008 6:25 PM

Max! You peeked.

Marian Neudel
June 7, 2008 1:25 AM

This week's Time Magazine quotes Pitt as saying "WHILE acting is my career, etc."

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