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Ingrid Betancourt and the human stain

Saturday July 12, 2008

Categories: Culture
This part of a NYT interview with Ingrid Betancourt jumped out at me: But she also is trying to avoid describing the details of her ordeal, years of captivity in the jungle in which she was often chained, physically tortured...
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Julianne Wiley
July 13, 2008 4:14 PM

I remember once, 40 years ago, when I was a teenager, I heared a talk by a historian about the youth of Germany in the interwar period, the Wandervogel (migratory birds): loving Nature, music, their own freedom from their gray churches and stodgy parents. I asked him, "Why wasn't Nazism stopped by the German Youth Movent?" and was upset and astonished when he answered, "To a large extent, Nazism WAS the German Youth Movement."

Duh-sciple
July 13, 2008 4:19 PM

Ingrid Betancourt, Darfur, 9/11, Iraq, Afghanistan, not to mention the evil being done right under our noses- in our cities, among our neighbors and inside our homes...

I think the contemporary Christian music channel needs to feature more LAMENT.

Kyrie eleison,

Tim

Curmudgeon Geographer
July 13, 2008 4:34 PM

I think there is a danger that Ingrid is on the path from "there is no such thing human evil" leftism to "we're all potential evil monsters" leftism.

Anonymous
July 13, 2008 5:08 PM

"I discussed what it would be like to be in a society that had been traumatized by war (9-11, mortgage crisis, Oil prices), and what if a charismatic leader (Obama) came along that told you that all your problems were somebody else's fault (Bush's), and that you could be strong and powerful again if only you did what he told you? And what if everybody around you agreed with him (any big city in US)? How do you think you would hold out in that situation?

We'll see.

mindful
July 13, 2008 6:10 PM

I think there is a danger that Ingrid is on the path from "there is no such thing human evil" leftism to "we're all potential evil monsters" leftism.

I was under the impression that the belief that we're all potential evil monsters was fundamentally conservative. Consult Solzhenitsyn on that one.

Peterk
July 13, 2008 6:17 PM

"I discussed what it would be like to be in a society that had been traumatized by war, and what if a charismatic leader came along that told you that all your problems were somebody else's fault, and that you could be strong and powerful again if only you did what he told you? And what if everybody around you agreed with him?"

gee sounds like you are describing a certain Presidential candidate.

Rawlins Gilliland
July 13, 2008 7:18 PM

I was in Colombia when Ingrid Betancourt was taken by terrorist militia along with many others. It was a tear jerker ongoing nightmare because her chief rival was a good man, who went on to become president, Alvaro Uribe Velez, and this cast initial doubt on him and then his chances of being the next victim or killed. He went on, joy of joy for anyone who loves and knows that lovely country and its people, the first great president the Republic of Colombia had had in decades. God bless all that he ahs been able to do and for the USA for standing beside him, beginning with Clinton and throughout the Bush administrations.

It appears from many directions that Colombia is ebbing toward an end to the 40 plus year old three prong civil guerilla war. And with President Uribe being term limited, it is always a dream that Ingrid Betancourt become president since she has dual French/Colombian citizenship. But my guess is that is too much too soon as she is clearly profoundly damaged and needs time and care to heal. But she also needs considerable time and care to become up to snuff on what has happened in her time of captivity. The nation is not recognizable as the one I returned to years after year when the danger and horror was omnipresent. The narco terroriest cartels that were the second of two groups holding Colombia in hell hostage are largely a thing of the past. The once beautiful Medellin where Uribe was born, was a death sentence when I first traveled there and it is now returning to life. May the same be said of Ingrid Betancourt.

Colombia is rising in manufacturing and deserves to have its free trade agreement with the USA approved. It is the least we can do for a country that has suffered more than I could ever say.

B. Minich
July 13, 2008 7:37 PM

The Hitler video is instructive. My brother and I were talking about history the other day, and we both wondered if the US is currently is in a stage like the late Roman Republic. Basically, we were both wondering if Obama is going to turn our Presidential election system from a more rule based process to a more populism driven process - that if you can get enough people to back you, it won't matter if what you want to do is against the rules. This is how the Roman Republic got worn away, bit by bit, until it became the Roman Empire, ruled by Julius Caesar. Obama is no Caesar. However, he may be the man who opens the door for a Caesar, or worse, a Hitler, to come (not his fault, but something that could result from his campaign if it ends a certain way).

Charles Cosimano
July 13, 2008 10:06 PM

After hearing that Obama was going to use a stadium for his acceptance speech, I have begun to wonder why he just doesn't plan on changing the name of Denver to Nuremburg.

After all, his supporters are behaving like brown-shirted thugs now, why not?

steve
July 13, 2008 10:18 PM

"I discussed what it would be like to be in a society that had been traumatized by war (9-11, mortgage crisis, Oil prices), and what if a charismatic leader (Any Republican candidate) came along that told you that all your problems were somebody else's fault (Liberals), and that you could be strong and powerful again if only you did what he told you? And what if everybody around you agreed with him (anyone watching Fox or listening to talk radio)? How do you think you would hold out in that situation?

We are already seeing. Going great isn't it?

Steve

Scott Walker
July 14, 2008 1:10 AM

"After all, his (Obama's) supporters are behaving like brown-shirted thugs now..." Really? I must have missed the memo about Kristallnacht. I'm hoping to be able to make it for the book burning, though. Hysteria is never pretty, Charles Cosimano. Any chance of getting a grip?

AnotherBeliever
July 14, 2008 12:16 PM

I wish this hadn't devolved so quickly into partisan politics. Could we back up a notch, please?

This goes beyond politics. The darkness does lie within each of us. Many soldiers could tell you this.

Each of us is potentially a monster. Our makeup is no different than that of the Nazi Youths, or their Gestapo elders. We are constitutionally no different from African rebel fighters who control villagers by raping and maiming them. We have the same DNA, marking us as Homo Sapiens, as do suicide bombers. Let's not blame drugs or fanaticism or war or trauma or religion or politics. Sure these things can be catalysts, but they do not absolve anyone of blame.

God forbid any of us should ever come under such harsh circumstances. For the only thing standing between us and darkness then will be difficult choices, which may cost us our lives. Or, a sobering thought, the lives of our loved ones. How many of us would be strong enough to resist?

Rawlins
July 14, 2008 3:42 PM

Silly me. I thought this thread was largely about Ingrid Betancourt. And sillier me, pertaining to Colombia, terrorists, civil war, guerillas.

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