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Jesse and the N-word -- shocked, shocked

Thursday July 17, 2008

Categories: Culture
So Jesse Jackson used the N-word in his private off-air conversation with another black man. Oh, I'm shocked, shocked, to learn that black people use the N-word in conversations with each other. It's a ridiculous controversy, this latest emanation from...
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Richard Bottoms
July 17, 2008 5:10 PM

Fortunately most black folks don't give a damn what Jesse has to say and haven't for some time. He was always blown up larger than his influence would warrant, by the same media who have made Paris Hilton a name to know. So bye, good riddance.


"You either die a hero, or live long enough to be come the villain."

~ Harvey Dent

David J. White
July 17, 2008 6:51 PM

I'm reminded of an episode of "All in the Family" where the Jeffersons meet their son Lionel's girlfriend, and George Jefferson is upset that her parents are an interracial couple. (AITF, for all its liberal bias, did a good job of spoofing black racism as well as white racism.) George (BTW, the Jeffersons were black, for anyone who never saw the show) rants for awhile, then drops the N-bomb. Archie Bunker looks shocked and says, "Geez, I ain't used that word in three years!"

Spunky
July 17, 2008 8:52 PM

Oh but Rod you and I don't understand. Didn't you see The View? According to Whoopi Goldberg, the n-word is a term of endearment when used black on black. The exchange drove Elisabeth Hassleback to tears. I've posted the video link on my blog.

http://spunkyhomeschool.blogspot.com/2008/07/view-on-racism.html

It isn't pretty, but is does show how much work is still left on the race issue.

Spunky
July 17, 2008 8:54 PM

Oh but Rod you and I don't understand. Didn't you see The View? According to Whoopi Goldberg, the n-word is a term of endearment when used black on black. The exchange drove Elisabeth Hassleback to tears. I'd post the You Tube link but the comments won't let me post a link for some reason.

It isn't pretty, but is does show how much work is still left on the race issue.

I did post it on my blog as well at SpunkyHomeschool at blogspot dot com but I'm sure it's all over the net and a google search will take you to it somewhere.

Anonymous
July 17, 2008 9:39 PM

This is pretty rich considering he's condemned rappers for using the term as a generic term for "guy" or even affectionately.

John E. - the agnostic stoic one
July 17, 2008 11:27 PM

Spunky, I watched the clip and I think that Chris Rock summed Whoopie's argument much more succinctly. If I recall correctly, he said something along the lines that White people abused their n-word privileges during the slavery and pre-civil-rights days, so now they don't get to use it for a while.

And, yes, Jesse Jackson is a hypocrite for using the word after he said that it shouldn't be used anymore. Not a big surprise there.

michael
July 17, 2008 11:48 PM

Jackson's bad, but least he is revealed as someone who really doesn't believe his own baloney. People who do (usually white liberals) are the pitiful ones.

Anonymous
July 18, 2008 12:25 AM

no conservatives are the pitiful ones

man this is some high quality discourse we got goin' on here

Jeff Sullivan
July 18, 2008 8:45 AM

The mystery here is that Jesse Jackson still has an ounce of credibility with anyone. But even with this latest gaffe, or indiscretion, or hypocrisy, or whatever it was, I've no doubt the Reverend shall emerge unscathed.

Reaganite in NYC
July 18, 2008 8:54 AM

While I don't agree with Rev. Jackson's politics and find his methods often disagreeable ... let me just say two thing in the man's defense:

(1) He was one of the few on the left that spoke up on behalf and in defense of Terri Schiavo during Lent 2005 when those judges tried to remove her feeding tubes.

(2) During the 1980s when he ran for President and committed a number of gaffes (including the remark, which I won't repeat here, about the alleged dominance of a particular religious group in New York City), I remember the apology he made at the 1984 Democratic National Convention and the statement that "God is not finished with me yet." That single statement expressed his humility before God and the recognition of his fallen nature ... something I wish more politicians, movie stars, celebrity journalists, et. al. would do every so often.

We should keep Jackson in our prayers. He's made a lot of mistakes over the years, including lately, but he also did a lot of good "back in the day."

AMH
July 18, 2008 9:30 AM

This is another example of why there is still no honest discourse on race relations. When the “co-inventor” (Jackson) of the strategy of using racial pressure tactics via the media to further his agenda, for good purposes or bad, is subjected to his own criteria, we will be making progress. The fact that he is quick to apologize and genuinely appears to be sorry is fine, but he has rarely granted the type of grace and mercy to others that he seeks after his many gaffes. In addition, the fact that there continues to be a double standard is even more puzzling, in that we are this close to electing the first African-American President.

To John E.’s point - black entertainers like Chris Rock can speak to and about racial topics in a way most white comedians/social critics/people cannot. At least he is more honest than Whoopi (and funnier). See the clip from his stand up routine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpUSElgJcyI&feature=related

Spunky
July 18, 2008 10:38 AM

AMH, that is a very interesting video. The double standard is puzzling to me and the distinction is based on color. The are perpetuating the very thing they have been fighting so long to erase.

Richard Bottoms
July 18, 2008 2:37 PM
AMH, that is a very interesting video. The double standard is puzzling to me and the distinction is based on color. The are perpetuating the very thing they have been fighting so long to erase.

So basically you're complaining because a Chris Rock can say n*****r and you can't? Well there's a winning argument for conservative thought. I can see it now, a Beastie Boys Type video:

"We want to fight, for your right, to say n********r!"

Ha. Ha. Please continue.

Richard Bottoms
July 18, 2008 2:48 PM
Spunky, I watched the clip and I think that Chris Rock summed Whoopie's argument much more succinctly.

There is only one reason black folks even care about this word anymore and it's: The First Time.

For anyone in my age group especially, there's a time every one of your parent feared, it was the first time a white person called you n****r.

The parent would have to explain that you are less than human in some people's eyes and in fact in grave danger wherever you went o,f "Something Happening" to you at the hands of white people.

In short, from that moment on you have a piece of your life dominated by fear and hate that would surely come your way again.

Now that I am no longer eight, I am able to say, "N****r please" to my best friend with all the love it represents after 40 years of friendship. And you can't.

So deal with it.

Spunky
July 18, 2008 4:58 PM

"So basically you're complaining because a Chris Rock can say n*****r and you can't?"

NO. If you watch the video I linked to, that's the argument Whoopi was making that blacks can say it and whites can't. SHE is making a distinction based on race alone. That's what I found to be the double standard. But to let Chris Rock use the term in such a derogatory way about blacks and have the audience laughing is actually disgusting. I'm all for people laughing at themselves but that video goes beyond that. But Whoopi seems to think it's okay to do as long as you're a black person.

Robin Thomas
July 18, 2008 11:55 PM

You have to be a douche to defend Jackson.
The man is a shakedown artist, a hypocrite, an egomaniac...when MLK was shot Jackson got his face right into the camera and claimed that he held MLK as he expired(it was a lie; Ralph Abernathy did so)

Jackson runs around the country sniffing out occasions to exploit the mistakes of others(for his own benefit/payoff)

Basically, he's jealous of Obama.

I don't believe he actually graduated from divinity school. I think that he did maybe 6 months and dropped out. So much for "reverend."

He had a mistress and a child out of wedlock.

I don't know if the rest of you remember this from a few years ago, a group of high school guys(African Americans) stormed onto a football field(somewhere in the midwest I think) and just beat the hell out of anybody in their way. Basically a riot. So, the guys got kicked out of school(as they should have) and ol' bigmouth was there in no time hollerin' about the "racist school board," etc.

The man is contemptible, a fool, an idiot.

And thankfully, a has-been.

John E. agnostic stoic - AspQ 35
July 19, 2008 12:46 AM

But to let Chris Rock use the term in such a derogatory way about blacks and have the audience laughing is actually disgusting. I'm all for people laughing at themselves but that video goes beyond that.
Posted by: Spunky | July 18, 2008 4:58 PM

Well, it looked to me like Chris Rock was using the term about a specific subset of blacks.

As to the question of whether or not that term is appropriate to describe that subset, I will not venture an opinion, but the mostly black audience seemed to understand, appreciate, and agree with the nuanced distinction.

Richard Bottoms
July 19, 2008 2:57 AM
But Whoopi seems to think it's okay to do as long as you're a black person.

So do I, so suck it up.

I am sure, Poles, Russians, Israelis, Italians, and every other ethnic group has some kind of slur they use among themselves no outsider dare use. I am not overly excited about the exclusion.

As I said earlier, outside of having to explain it to an eight year old we don't much care anymore. If fact, Imus' recent Nappy Headed Ho comment was much more offensive because it denigrated young women trying to lift themselves up. Something Rod goes on and on about in his "Scary Negro" posts.


who knew
July 19, 2008 9:53 AM

I know I am coming to this discussion a little late and I know what I am about to say will make me sound like a "red-neck mama" probably, but here goes...

We live in an area where there is a largish black population so as soon as our kids heard the "n" word, we had a big discussion on "NO Name Calling, Ever". Now my kids have been in realitivly few fights for city kids but the one or two times it has been against an African-American child, the first excuse is invariably "He called me the "N" word."

Here comes the real red-neck part. I cannot answer to every fight but one I happened to hear this one. I was "indisposed" (as Martin Short put it in his Katherine Hepburn's nephew bit) and could not get outside to head off disaster but my son was defending a smaller boy whom the other boy had pushed down, at no point in time did I hear any ethnic slurs by anyone. Pretty good, considering African-American, Irish and Mexican-American were all involved.

Well, anyways...after the white boy got his clock cleaned, the other boy's came down to talk with us. It was a resonable discussion = boys do that sort of thing, blah,blah,blah = but, of course, the accusation was made. Luckily this time I could defend my son, next time he'll be on his own. But, but ...

I did tell my husband knowing our son as I do I don't think he would use that term or any other. We've been careful to expose our kids to as little of that nonsense as possible. But the next time the accusations start, my response to Dad is going to have to be "He learned it from you guys. If you don't want to hear it Don't Say It!"

Richard Bottoms
July 19, 2008 2:19 PM
"He learned it from you guys. If you don't want to hear it Don't Say It!"

Not an unreasonable request, but the world has not stood still and what people say and mean when they say it has changed since 1967.

I have more heartburn with the racialist southern partisans who swarm all over Rod "Scary Negro" posts who never use the word, but show every indication of thinking blacks are less than human. And the word hurt the most when I was called n****r as an adult while in my class-A greens as a newly minted soldier than it ever did as a child.

Mr. Obama is doing a lot to take the air out of the insult and in fact he may change forever then punchline to a very old joke.

You may have heard this one: "What do you call a black man with a college degree? N****r."

The new punch line: Mr. President.

Trish
July 21, 2008 10:47 PM

Obviously that's a word that Jesse uses all the time, but he's just like many blacks who believe it's ok for them to use it...but, not ok for whites. That is absolutely ridiculous. To weigh-in on "the View"'s N-Word battle, check out www.trishwilliford.com/?p=188


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