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Nazi mama fights back

Saturday July 12, 2008

Categories: Family

In Canada, the state has taken away the children of a white supremacist mother after authorities found neo-Nazi material in their house.

That's chilling, and as loathsome as Nazi Mama no doubt is, I hope she prevails. If the state can seize a woman's children because of her beliefs, political or otherwise, and not because she has allegedly abused the children, a terrible principle will have been established. Where does it end? Seizing the children of Marxists? Pentecostals? Pagans? This really is an outrage, and demands a principled stand, even if we're defending the parental rights of a rancid bigot -- in fact, especially because we're defending the parental rights of a rancid bigot.

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Marian Neudel
July 12, 2008 9:11 PM

I once represented a woman who lost custody of her daughter by reason of being a very active member of the Revolutionary Communist Party. Yes, it's true she spent a lot of time at meetings and rallies. But I find it hard to believe that, if she had devoted equal levels of time and energy, to, say, the Ladies' Altar Guild, the result would have been the same.

Francis Beckwith
July 13, 2008 12:46 AM

I absolutely agree with Rod. The parent-child bond is sacred, and I too, for that reason, would oppose the state taking children out of the custody of a parent simply because the parent is a homosexual.

I would argue, however, that the same natural law that instructs us in the sacredness of the parent-child bond is the same one that teaches us that marriage is a unique institution for the merging of difference--male and female--for the purpose of uniting families and generations. For that reason, my defense of the gay parent entails a denial of same-sex marriage. How ironic is that?

In my case, I can trace my roots back to both England and Italy. Families and marriages, and the generations that tie them together, transcend states, governments, and political parties. So, when our fellow citizens request, indeed demand, that the state eradicate that understanding by equating the only family that nature knows with a state-constructed one, the state is saying that there are no real mothers and fathers and no children that actually belong to them. In other words, whatever you have, the state gives you and defines it as such. Leviathian triumphs.

And this is why I believe that a homosexual parent should not be separated from the child he or she dearly loves.

Anonymous
July 13, 2008 1:06 AM

"I would argue, however, that the same natural law that instructs us in the sacredness of the parent-child bond is the same one that teaches us that marriage is a unique institution for the merging of difference--male and female--for the purpose of uniting families and generations. For that reason, my defense of the gay parent entails a denial of same-sex marriage. How ironic is that?"

Thereby punishing and putting at risk the children you wish to protect by denying their families financial and legal rights. Yes, it is ironic.

Robert
July 14, 2008 12:49 AM

Having waded through the whole newstory, I think Rod took off on a tangent.

It's one thing to support the right of parents to hold and teach beliefs many people find odious. It's another if those parents seek to cause disturbance in a public school:

"Four months ago, her daughter drew a swastika on her arm and went to school, where her teacher scrubbed it off. The mother helped her daughter draw it on her arm again, an act she regrets.

"It was one of the stupidest things I've done in my life but it's no reason to take my kids," the mother told CBC News."

So it wasn't all about beliefs. It was at least partly about disrupting class.

But as other posters have noted, there's plenty to put the Canadian authorities in a bad light. For instance,

"Another man Gerald Hannon who writes for Canada's national newspaper the Globe and Mail is a teacher at Ryerson, (a University in Canada) and regularly teaches his beliefs about pedophilia with his students. The CJC and the B'nai Brith have remained silent over this teacher who compares child-sex rings to children's hockey. Hannon said: 'I could never understand before how children's hockey differed from organized child-sex rings. Both involved children and adults. Both involved danger. Both involve pleasure. Yet we approve of children's hockey but deplore child-sex rings.'"

Obviously, Canada hasn't arrived at high level of fairness and balance we've achieved in the public schools in the US.

Marian Neudel
July 14, 2008 11:58 AM

"So, when our fellow citizens request, indeed demand, that the state eradicate that understanding by equating the only family that nature knows with a state-constructed one, the state is saying that there are no real mothers and fathers and no children that actually belong to them."

Not quite sure which "state-constructed" family this poster is INTENDING to talk about, but factually, doesn't it have to be the "one man-one woman" construct which is law in all 50 states, regardless of the wishes of the other real live people who wish their relationships to have the same protections?

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Rod Dreher is an editorial columnist for the Dallas Morning News, and author of "Crunchy Cons" (Crown Forum), a nonfiction book about conservatives, most of them religious, whose faith and political convictions sometimes put them at odds with mainstream conservatives. The views expressed in this blog are his own.

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