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OMFG! Gossip Girl sluts!

Wednesday July 23, 2008

Categories: Culture, Decline and fall
Check out this short promotional clip for the new season of "Gossip Girl," a television show based on novels for teens: The campaign is slugged "OMFG," for "Oh My F--king God." Don't you just love this culture? Working 24/7 to...
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Anonymous
July 23, 2008 3:45 PM

"The campaign is slugged "OMFG," for "Oh My F--king God." Don't you just love this culture?"

Sure do, Rod. Especially when you repeat it and thereby promulgate the very same cultural decline which you purport to denounce. (Think about it.) I never thought I would have seen it in your blog. But then again, the more often you type the word "sluts" in the headines, the higher the ratings go, no? Or maybe it just seems that way. (Or, maybe you just like typing the word "sluts"?) Either way, it doesn't behoove you. You are (or should be) above that.

Adam
July 23, 2008 4:13 PM

"I never thought I would have seen it in your blog."

I assure you that the marketing/advertising campaign for Gossip Girls will have a bit more reach than any posting of Rod's.

elizabeth
July 23, 2008 4:19 PM

Some children are more vulnerable that others to influences from such exposure. Maybe it has to do with inborn temperament or comes from a lack of a nurturing and structured family and community life. Whichever the cause, it is a wise parent who limits exposure to popular culture until children are old enough to be able to engage in conversation about it and contrast it with the real people in their lives. And that will happen - they are under our control for so a short time. So get ready to converse, not lecture, in a way that engages both critical thinking and the heart.

We have the free market that conservatives claim is an essence of liberty, and the freedom of "expression" that liberals assert is an essence of liberty. This type of programming is an offspring of the uncomfortable marriage of the two so it up to parents to protect their children. The "village" is happy to toss them to the wolves, in this case.

Rod, the objections to "slut" had to do with 1) your calling a soon-to-be bride that, based on her deeply questionable taste in a bridal gown, and 2) your expressed willingness to use the word on your own daughter if she someday made a similar fashion gaffe. Get a grip.

Augustus Johnson
July 23, 2008 4:20 PM

One day people will look back at this sort of thing the way we now look back at things like penis rings and chastity belts in Victorian times -- as artifacts of a culture with a very unhealthy and a unhappy view of sex.

Maclin Horton
July 23, 2008 4:33 PM

"...hollowed-out hags and third-rate pimps..."

Y'know I've thought for a long time that one of the engines of this whole phenomenon is middle-aged people trying to get young people to act out the middle-aged people's fantasies of what their youth should have been like, maybe what they think it would have been like if The Damn Christians Had Not F'd Them Up. I would have said "baby boomers" instead of "middle-aged people" but the syndrome seems to include a lot of people who are too young to be boomers.

Connie
July 23, 2008 4:39 PM

"Coaches were out of sight." No kidding. I have no confidence in the ability or willingness of coaches to protect vulnerable children. In my experience, coaches are more likely to side with the middle school bullies.

John E. - the agnostic stoic one, not the finance teaching one
July 23, 2008 4:41 PM

Is this related somehow, in a general Lord of the Flies way? News from a prosperous Dallas suburb

No, I'd say it is related more in a Rod-posting-the-most-outrageous-story-of-the-day-and-implying-this-is-normative-behavior sort of way.

JLF
July 23, 2008 4:48 PM

Madin, it is becoming increasingly apparent that "Baby Boom Generation" as a label for those born in the eighteen years between 1946 and 1964 does not accurately describe a single generational outlook. The cohort born between 1946 and 1955 were the last group to deal with the draft and a war that consumed large numbers of their classmates. Those born in 1956 and later, who came of age after Nixon created the all-volunteer military and walked away from Vietnam are more aptly described as the "Me Generation", from whom little was demanded and for whom little was denied.

Other Jim
July 23, 2008 4:50 PM

My parents didn't let me watch mTV and if we were watching a movie that had a nude scene, I was asked to leave the room (that only happened once, IIRC, because we never rented those types of movies.) Of course as a teenager I would watch some mTV and flip the channel when my parents came by, but their message got through.

If anything you are probably not being enough of a hard ass. I've questioned my own beliefs many times, because I recognize that as a 20 something guy, I shouldn't sound like a 70-year old. (Unfortunately Boomers are in their 60s now, ruining any reference to old people and social conservatism) But an objective evalauation of the culture shows there is a lot of absolute filth, with boorish and unintelligent content filling out the edges.

On the other hand, I also believe that to a large degree, the art reflects the culture. We live in a mass market democracy and anyone who is outside of the mainstream will reject much of the market. But aside from the Harry Potter banning wackos, I see little evidence of anyone going too far.

AMH
July 23, 2008 4:57 PM

I am with you 100% on this, Rod! Anyone who is raising children to have some sense of values and mores knows how relentless the culture can be. Unfortunately, there are not enough voices against this kind of stuff on TV– if people didn’t watch “GG” or let their kids watch it, there would be no sponsors and no funding.
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Lord of the Flies analogy – This is what it is coming to, isn’t it? I hope they don’t let these guys off the hook, but I don’t find it particularly heartening that the schools will deal with this via “values training.”

Houghton
July 23, 2008 4:58 PM

I've noticed a familiar pattern in threads here when it comes to topics like this:

1. Rod posts something that is in fact indicative of our popular culture (he could have pulled much more wild and egregious examples from the headlines on any given day of the week).

2. Rod uses said example as an object lesson in legitimately questioning where our pop culture has been and is headed - and how we should be protecting our children from its rapacity.

3. Certain commenters will then weigh in with predictable responses: Rod is simply posting sensational content as a means of trolling for additional traffic, or Rod is somehow drawing these examples out of context, or making a bigger deal out of them than he should be, or Rod is such a prude. Anything, that is, except to acknowledge that Rod has a valid point.

4. If Rod takes the extra step of embedding a video or the like, so that readers can judge for themselves, he's then accused of wallowing in the same said decadence (and secretly enjoying it).

This is all very amusing, to be sure, but since it's a pattern on the part of some commenters, and since the reactions are becoming predictable on the most banal level, I would just say: knock it off. If you don't like the cesspool our pop culture is becoming, don't blame Rod's blog. Could you come up with responses that are slightly more original than those I've already summarized?

And don't engage in Orwellian sophistry and twist yourself into verbal knots trying to deny what we can all plainly see with our own eyes, and hear with our own ears: That our culture is losing it, and is quickly dissolving into the "eclipse of all values" miasma predicted more than a century ago.

stefanie
July 23, 2008 4:59 PM

I can understand not wanting to expose your kids to this kind of stuff, Rod, but basically you either have to deny them access to public libraries and commercial bookstores (because these types of books are all over; they make up the bulk of the "young adult" sections), or "immunize" them against it. I was fortunate in that neither of our girls could stand that stuff when younger, although they did read more adult books which we had around the house (Lolita, Florence King, things like that.)

Erin Manning
July 23, 2008 5:08 PM

Great post, Houghton. The only reaction you might have missed is the one where someone blames "Christianists" and their fixation on sexual matters for both the Gossip Girls swamp and the attacks at the school.

forestwalker
July 23, 2008 5:15 PM

"...as bad as the real kids are in the barren-souled regions of NY and LA providing inspiration for the latest round of mass-media mass profits..."

Contra Poulos, and to be fair to my neighbors and their kids here in LA, just as only a tiny minority of CA is the sandy and sunny beach scene those who only know CA through television envision, most kids here are very dissimilar from the shallow and moral-stunted dead souls that are featured in The OC, Laguna Beach-The Real Orange County, and similar shows.

Augustus Johnson
July 23, 2008 5:24 PM

The sociology of the boys' locker room at Sunnyvale High just goes to show that we are turning public life into a prison, with those who ought to be the inmates as the ones in charge. This reminds me as much of an episode of *Oz* or a scene from *A Clockwork Orange* as *Lord of the Flies.*

It also reminds me of my own Junior High. Those who think that this is just an isolated incident are fooling themselves and need to wake up.

Daniel
July 23, 2008 5:53 PM

Can I be outraged at the ad--my daughter's find the show ridiculous and unredeemable--and still be concerned about your insistence at constantly using the term "slut"? Boys are never called "sluts" and are not harmed by the word; girls are given that label and are harmed by it.

If we want to clean up the culture, we can start with adults not using terms like "sluts" for the shock value and as a judgment.

John E. - the agnostic stoic one, not the finance teaching one
July 23, 2008 6:04 PM

The locker room event reminds me of descriptions of upper-class English boy's boarding schools.

I hope the school and the parents of the offenders face an expensive lawsuit.

anon for this post
July 23, 2008 6:05 PM

My wife and I have four children, from 2nd grade to 8th grade starting this Fall. We have scrimped and sacrificed to keep them in Catholic schools since the very beginning, despite the fact that we can't afford even things that most people take very much for granted like having enough bedrooms (we have 2 bedrooms and a tiny den converted to a bedroom for 6 people in a 1500 sq.ft. house), or taking vacations, or sometimes even just being able to afford quotidian things like a YMCA membership.

This year we have come to the point that our eldest son is not going to be able to return the very expensive Catholic prep day school, and so we started asking ourselves, "Is all this sacrifice really worth it?" We've even considered folding and allowing eldest son to go to our neighborhood public school.

But in the end, we just cannot do it; we can't subject them to the toxic culture and still be able to sleep at night. I'm thinking about getting an evening job delivering pizzas and a paper route for the early morning, to add to my professional but low paying job during the day.

Whatever it takes. But I will not, under any circumstances, allow my children to be in a public school. Even though the Catholic schools are far from ideal, they are at least a somewhat sheltered lagoon away from the roiling hurricane of popular culture. Yes, the culture often bleeds through and there is some in-flow from the larger ocean, but we're doing the best we can do.

e
July 23, 2008 6:09 PM

That update, about those boys was just really bizarre. In my naturally limited experience, there has remained strong enough anti-homosexuality sentiment among students that something like that would never go on. If boys started acting sick like that towards each other they would be completely ostracized in short order. It's hard for me to imagine. And is it a different type of issue than if it were the boys doing something like this to girls instead? Is it different than if it were older boys targeting and victimizing younger boys with no sexual elements involved?

anonymous just this once
July 23, 2008 6:25 PM

"...Boys are never called "sluts"..." I call shenanigans. I was present when a young woman of my close acquaintance (my daughter, actually) told her older brother to "Quit sleeping around like a freaking slut." He did, too. Eventually.

Erin Manning
July 23, 2008 6:29 PM

Anon above, I can understand where you're coming from. My parents also scrimped and saved and made financial sacrifices to send their many children to Catholic schools.

But one of the best days of my life was the day they threw in the towel and started homeschooling. In the schools we still had bullies, partying, weak or ineffective teachers, secular materials, liberal smile-button Catholic-lite theology (can't offend the wealthy non-Catholics using the school to protect their little darlings from the poor, now, can we?) and whole legions of other problems. At home we had books and music and time to think and write in an atmosphere where both were possible.

I realize that homeschooling may simply not be an option for you. But for those who can or are considering it, I can't say enough good things about it, from the perspective of a former homeschooled student, former teaching assistant with a homeschooling program, and current homeschooling mom.

Rod Dreher
July 23, 2008 6:48 PM

Daniel, I don't apologize for using the word "slut," though I will apologize if I've applied it inappropriately (as I have done before, and got called on). I think people who engage in slutty behavior should be shamed -- and I wish we had a word specific to males, because I hate the double standard. We don't, so I have to use the same word for them.

michael
July 23, 2008 6:55 PM

The creators of most popular culture are evangelists for evil and perversion. Rod, you're right on about limiting your kids' exposure to this, I do the same with mine.
The most effective tool against garbage, is quality. My kids have been raised on classical music and good quality jazz, and they can't stand most pop music or pop culture.

Anonymous
July 23, 2008 6:57 PM

I think "player" is a fairly mainstream way to identify a guy who sleeps around. Although obviously it doesn't carry the same sting as "slut".

Anonymous
July 23, 2008 7:06 PM

I think people who engage in slutty behavior should be shamed

No one would argue that shaming obese kids would be an appropriate or effective way of making them lose weight, in fact most would recognize that it would probably have the opposite effect.

Promiscuity, especially among teens, is a huge problem in our culture, but I think the lumps you take regarding your obsession with shame and sex are well deserved.

stefanie
July 23, 2008 7:08 PM

anon for this post: You don't think Catholic school kids read YA books like this?

Erin Manning: You don't think homeschooled kids go to the public library? (Although I did know one h.s.ing woman who wouldn't let her kids search through the online library catalog, in case they looked for some subject she didn't want them to search on.)

The problem is, these types of books rake in the money for publishing companies. I'd rather my kids read DH Lawrence, Henry Miller, William Burroughs, any of the "banned" authors than this junk.

pb
July 23, 2008 7:21 PM

That update, about those boys was just really bizarre. In my naturally limited experience, there has remained strong enough anti-homosexuality sentiment among students that something like that would never go on.

e -- it's not about 'homosexuality' or same-sex attraction--it's about degrading other people, much like what happened at a certain prison in Iraq.

Mark in Houston
July 23, 2008 7:24 PM

Leaving aside the issues in the articles, one thing is for sure. James Poulos has some splendiferous burnsides.

DavidTC
July 23, 2008 7:28 PM

I actually tried to watch Gossip Girls when it came out, because I have heard the hilarious Veronica Mars Voice Over had escaped the cancellation of that show and was now narrating another show. I couldn't watch it and turned it off about fifteen minutes, although I forget why. I seem to recall it was because everyone was cruel to everyone else, and this was presented as normal.

It's worth pointing out that, of those clips, there is one instance of people having sex. A lot of kissing, two people laying apparently post-coital (And the same two people, presumably from the same scene, sitting up in bed and talking to the camera), one person apparently dancing in a nightgown, but exactly one couple to the point that it would get even a PG-13 rating.


But, anyway, I'm really really baffled that Rod thinks children being cruel to each other is new. Sounds like someone needs to watch Buffy. Or read...um...Lord of the Flies, which apparently he has forgotten was written 50 years ago.

The only difference is, thank goodness, our culture has finally gotten to the point that parents will sue school for allowing such behavior.

Mark in Houston
July 23, 2008 7:39 PM

"(can't offend the wealthy non-Catholics using the school to protect their little darlings from the poor, now, can we?)"

Always the charmer, aren't you Erin? I'm sure the other parents felt a pang of joy in their stomachs when they saw you walk into the old school's PTA meetings.

The Sunnyvale Middle School stuff is pretty awful, but it's only a few steps beyond stuff I saw in my Catholic junior high. One incident that sticks out is the time the two biggest nerds in the class (J and K, for purposes of this discussion) got into a fistfight, to the cheers and encouragement of dozens of spectators, including a teacher or two. Boys will be boys and all. I was rooting for J, and he won. I think I won a Coke from a classmate on that bet.

Junior high always has a Lord of the Flies aspect to it (especially for boys), which is why that book is commonly assigned to middle and high school students, and why the protagonists in that book are of that age. That doesn't justify what happened, and the kids who did all that stuff need to be punished harshly, but this isn't anything new.

Erin Manning
July 23, 2008 8:19 PM

Um, Mark in Houston, I think you may have misunderstood--my kids have always been homeschooled, so I've never attended PTA meetings. As for the parenthetical sentence you object to, it's pretty much what my mom was told when she asked one of our school officials why we only studied the Catholic faith once or twice a week in that particular school (the official was more diplomatic, I believe, informing my mother that the school had certain important benefactors who were not Catholic and it was important that they and their children weren't made uncomfortable by too much Catholic emphasis, etc.). I seriously doubt that you could get any Catholic school bureaucrat to be half that honest today, but in areas with relatively small Catholic populations that dynamic remains in force in many schools, which are about as "Catholic" as the local nondenominational Christian school is.

And Stefanie, speaking as a former homeschooled kid who worked at the public library, I don't see what the problem is. By the time a homeschooled child is old enough to be at the library alone he/she has usually learned the difference between books worth reading and vile trash of no worth whatsoever--at least, most of the homeschooled kids I've known have no trouble making that distinction.

e
July 23, 2008 8:53 PM

I understand. I do find it interesting the extent to which any factor might serve as an inhibitor (psychologically or socially) to this kind of behavior.

Rod Dreher
July 23, 2008 9:33 PM

Stefanie, I don't understand your point about bookstores or the public library. We're big users of both. I think you read me too literally when I said I avoided exposing my kids to trash culture. I don't mean staying out of bookstores and libraries! I mean not letting them read or watch garbage.

Noodle Beach
July 23, 2008 9:42 PM

I sympathize with the parents writing here who want to keep their kids out of public schools but you can't protect them everywhere and forever.

Sleaze lurks everywhere because it sells. Adults who watch Desperate Housewives are feeding the same monster. Of course DH isn't explicit, but its undercurrent is, and adults get it, so it doesn't have to be explicit. But guilty nonetheless for using sex to sell, and when we patronize shows like that we perpetuate more like it.

I've tried to explain to my teenage girls that its not the sex or suggestion of it on the screen that is objectionable by itself, but the knowledge that the person creating the show included it to attract more eyeballs and make more profit. They should feel manipulated by the oldest trick in the book.

Mark in Houston
July 23, 2008 9:53 PM

"Um, Mark in Houston, I think you may have misunderstood--my kids have always been homeschooled, so I've never attended PTA meetings."

Lucky for the PTAers. Also, there's no shortage of Catholic schools that go heavy on the Catholicism (yes, I know, the ones who go heavy on the liberal Jesuitic Catholicism aren't really proper traditional Catholics, etc., etc.) and that the extent to which they do so (or not) is just as often influenced by the preferences and influence of the Catholic parents who send their kids there than the non-Catholics. Also, despite your snide comments about non-Catholics who send their kids to Catholic schools, there is no shortage of non-Catholics who send their kids to Catholic schools because the local Catholic school gives the best education in town for the dollars spent, not just to keep their kids away from the poor. For that matter, there's also no shortage of Catholic parents who send their kids to Catholic schools as much to keep their kids away from the poor as for any other reason. The reasons for these things are, as the psychiatrists say, overdetermined.

Erin Manning
July 23, 2008 10:12 PM

You know, Mark, I don't think we really disagree all that much. My point in discussing Catholic schools at all is that people who think the Catholic schools are doing a much better job of keeping impressionable kids away from the smut-culture than the public schools are a lot more optimistic than I am. Today's Catholic schools do a much better job of assimilating the prevailing culture than of standing as a sign of contradiction against it. Back when I was in high school, an all-girls Catholic high school, the 10th grade religion teacher couldn't come up with a convincing reason why the girls shouldn't be having sex or why any Catholic ought to listen to celibate priests on the question of contraception, though she was pretty sure she had ESP and believed in inner-spirit-children, or some such thing. I'd be amazed to discover that things had improved much at all in the last two decades.

Randy Thomas
July 23, 2008 10:25 PM

I get the honor of meeting with a lot of different Christian leaders around the country. In one meeting in DC a lady said to me, a few years ago after Massachusetts redefined marriage, that it couldn't get any worse than this.

I looked at her incredulously and said without missing a beat, "You haven't even seen the beginning of how bad it can get." I would venture to say that she hasn't even seen how bad it already is.

Senescent
July 23, 2008 10:26 PM

On culture and childraising: Ohhh, I see, you don't "let" your kids consume the good stuff. Haha, haha, ha, ha. You know they're gonna pick us, and don't it burn you up inside.

On "slut": Chuck Klosterman at one point made the point that as true as the old line about the slut/stud dichotomy is, he'd heard it invoked far more often than he'd ever actually heard anyone called a stud. I think a big part of that is that among the kids these days "slut" really is the gender-neutral term, used with the positive connotations formerly attached to "stud". I know I've heard it more regularly as a term of endearment than of approbiation.

On teenagers: middle school boys in a locker room form bullying cliques that invoke sexualized violence? That's only shocking if you've never before encountered middle school boys or locker rooms. Homo sum; humani nihil alienum a me puto.

Tina
July 23, 2008 11:16 PM

Erin -
Where in the world did you go to Catholic school? I still remember (15 years later) my 10th grade biology teacher talking about sex and how bc methods don't work. Religion class is a little foggier but I know we had the discussions and the school stuck to Church Teaching. The same thing in grade school. I also know that we didn't have any objectionable books in our school's library.

Anon @ 6:05 pm. Have you tried looking for a scholarship? Some private foundation where I am at in conjuction with the Archdiocese has started a scholarship program to send kids to Catholic grade schools. It might get better in high school because there is financial aid and work study available.


David J. White
July 23, 2008 11:18 PM

My parents didn't let me watch mTV and if we were watching a movie that had a nude scene, I was asked to leave the room

My parents wouldn't let me watch Hogan's Heroes, of all things, until I was about 11 or 12, because Hogan used to make out with Klink's secretary.

But then, I was a weird kid who tended to do as he was told. If my parents went out for the evening and said, "We don't want you watching what's on channel 6 at 8 o'clock," I didn't.

Chuck Klosterman Apropos of nothing, I used to work at the same newspaper Chuck did before he wrote his first book and got famous. I used to see him in the employee lunchroom. For that matter, I shared an office with Camille Paglia for a semester before she wrote her first book and got famous. Maybe I was Forrest Gump in another life, having odd brushes with the soon-to-be famous. ;-)

Thanks for the quote from Terence, Senescent.

I never encountered bullying in a locker room when I was middle school age. Maybe I was just lucky, because I was definitely the dorky type who got picked on by the jocks.

Maybe the development of "slut" into a gender-neutral term is somehow parallel with the development of "guys" into a gender-neutral term. I've heard girls address a group of their girlfriends as "guys". If there's a term that fits the bill for one gender but no corresponding term for the other gender, the existing term is made to do double duty, simply because it best expresses the meaning.

Erin Manning
July 23, 2008 11:32 PM

Tina, that particular school was Holy Names Academy in Seattle, WA. My parents were struggling to pay tuition, and *our* "health" teacher taught us all about all the methods of birth control and how to use them, and when some of us (yes, I had Conservative Catholic Cohorts even then, bwahaha) objected rather vociferously to the moral sewer lurking behind her evil how-to approach, she snapped loudly "You want to talk about that stuff, bring it up in religion class. I'm teaching HEALTH."

She was a Catholic.

That was the year my parents decided that the risks associated with homeschooling (which was still of iffy legality in many places) were worth the benefits of not paying vast sums of money they couldn't afford so that we could deal on a daily basis with this kind of rot.

pb
July 24, 2008 1:43 AM

e:
I should have added that any sort of stigma attached to homosexuality need not apply in this case, since objects were used to degrade.

e
July 24, 2008 2:19 AM

I don't know. If it started out with boys "jokingly humping each other", and then any male involved in the insertion or threatened or attempted anal insertion of any object to another male, there's plenty there for anti-homosexuality sentiment to rise up against this. I really would have thought many boys would have something to say about the ones who are so interested in other boys' bottom holes, even as a way to bully and intimidate when good old fashioned beatings or something would not call heterosexuality into question at all. Maybe I am just really out of touch on this.

allbetsareoff
July 24, 2008 4:55 AM

Simulated - and, apparently, not so simulated - gang rape in a middle-school locker room is not something for school administrators to investigate. For this, you call in the police; and when the perps are identified, you prosecute. Testosterone is the world's most dangerous substance, and bullying among boys cannot be prevented. But they need to understand that sexual bullying crosses the line and and is punished harshly.

Scummy pop culture may or may not be a direct contributor to this kind of behavior. (The equivalent in my youth was extreme violence in comic books, which did not produce a generation of predators.) Nevertheless, scum is scum, and its spread is something to be loudly and relentlessly deplored.

Does The Dallas Morning News routinely refer to the network producing "Gossip Girls," and the local stations airing it, as smut merchants? How about the record labels producing and radio stations broadcasting gangsta rap, or the studios producing and cineplexes showing sexually depraved or gratuitously violent movies? I'm pretty sure they're treated more respectfully than the operators of porn shops and strip clubs. How come?

I must add that conservatives spent decades trashing government funding of "high" art via the NEA and state arts agencies, portraying the occasional outrageous grant as emblematic of systemic degeneracy. I recall a lot of rightists saying, on principle, that culture should be able to stand or fall on its own in the marketplace. They mostly got their wish. Government funding of fine art survives on a shoestring, and the marketplace rules our culture. Be careful what you wish for.

Steve
July 24, 2008 1:10 PM

This lockerroom story was pretty upsetting to read, but not so much because it showed our culture falling into a pit. Look, the thing that was noteworthy about this was the extent it became organized, virtually a ritual. The reality is events like this - and it is a form of rape - are nothing new or that unusual. I know. I was a victim of it over 30 years ago as a teenager in New Jersey. I have talked to many others who had similar experiences. Most victims of it are kids like me - gay, or perceived to be gay. Consequently, its really irritating to read the comments here suggesting this has something to do with gay marriage and increasing acceptance of gay sexuality. Its classic blame the victims.

Rape is not about sex, it's about power. The questions we ought to be asking ourselves is what in our cultures leads boys to look for pleasure in violently making another person powerless. The sickness isn't a culture that tolerates homosexuality, its a culture that glorifies violence and humiliation.

e
July 24, 2008 2:33 PM

I agree (with Steve) yet I don't know that it's that simple. The violence manifests as it does, different ways in different situations, for real reasons, and sexuality cannot be removed from consideration in situations where violence has manifested sexually. I am sorry if mine were comments that came across as blaming the victims in any way. My questions concern too how in that case it became so organized, accepted, the guilty parties protected and covered for. But our soldiers do the same, after all, and I know it is nothing new.

eds
August 4, 2008 1:27 PM

I just saw the OMFG sign on the freeway
Does this mean Oh my F*** God?
How vulgar and offensive
Dear CW is vulgarity the new way to make teen andience?

karen
September 21, 2008 7:19 PM

What a nasty show. One of the male leads is a rapist. The women are all sluts. Middle aged women sleeping with teen boys (pedophila) How sick is this show exactly? It's no longer interesting, just degenerate.

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