A single female reader of "Crunchy Cons" writes: Your book was recommended to me by a friend recently, and I am nearly finished reading it. I have so enjoyed the way I have seen my views validated and some of...
I feel for your correspondent; I really do. I have been married 25 years, and I cannot imagine the difficulties so many young people go through in their single years. It is a whole different world out there.
There *used* to be support networks of various kinds for single people. My late mother-in-law lived in a "women's hotel" in the downtown of a major city when she was new in town and just getting established. It was a single-room-occupancy building with a dining room/tea room, and a nice lobby for entertaining the "gentlemen callers" (none allowed past the lobby.) A good portion of the women were defense workers.
Earlier than that there were boarding houses (remember how Jo Marsh met the Professor in Little Women?) Or single people boarded in family homes.
Perhaps there is something to be explored in "co-housing" arrangements - has anyone had any experience with those?
Zach
July 8, 2008 8:08 PM
Well, as a young, single, male crunchy con, I can say that I certainly sympathize with the writer. Crunchy cons don't seem to be too common, at least not in my area; the young people I know who believe in the environmental tenets of crunchy conservatism don't necessarily believe in the religious side of it, and of course, vice versa. It gets depressing when every available female has a tramp stamp and whose most pressing issue is which celebrity is banging which...
mm
July 8, 2008 8:18 PM
Check out: thesimpleway.org. It's an intententional, missional community in Phila. along the line of what the writer seems to be looking for. She can also search for a Christian Community Development Corporation (CCDA)in her area for like-minded, mission-oriented people.
elmo
July 8, 2008 8:35 PM
I believe Rod didn't intend to overlook you. Being single and a Christian most often means be invisible to married Christians, especially if you are a woman, as I am. Since married people most often run lay Christian activities, get used to being presumed not to exist in the eyes of our married brethren.
There are some areas where the Church is open to singles. If you are a man and are Catholic there are lots of opportunities to explore potential vocations to the priesthood. Not so much encouragement to religious life for women.
What if you don't want to be a priest or a religious? Well then people don't know what to do with you. It's as the letter writer stated: the rest of the married couples are waiting for you to grow up and find your soul mate (or settle if you have to) so that you can join in the fun.
I live with another single Catholic. It's nice but it sure would be better to have a bigger support system. Group co-housing might be nice. Imagine: shared(locally produced) meals, daily lauds, a support system of folks who believe and live as you do. The only thing that comes close to aligning with this vision of mine is the original Catholic Worker house with Dorothy Day. I don't know if this kind of arrangement can exist in this day and age. Maybe in an urban, eastern area? It's a thought well worth exploring.
don
July 8, 2008 9:00 PM
imagine being a single, gay, Christian crunchy con. now that's lonely! :)
Salamander
July 8, 2008 9:21 PM
I have to confess, I don't reach out to singles as much as I probably should. I tend to assume that single people do not want any part of my noisy, messy, family life and that they would be horrified to enter into my untidy home filled with children and pets.
Of course, I am basing this upon my own experience as a single person, which was 15 years ago and decidedly non-crunchy, con or otherwise.
Rod Dreher
July 8, 2008 9:25 PM
I'm with Salamander -- I assume that no single person in his or her right mind would want to be all up in the house with us and three kids. I wouldn't have as a single person, but only because time spent communing with a family was time not spent out looking for my One True Love.
Rock
July 8, 2008 9:47 PM
That single crunchy con needs to join those of conservatives who are downright soggy: Pro-free enterprise, pro-assertive military policy, pro-democracy and nation building, pro-conservative judicial nomination and against environmental extremism.
You'll be married in no time. I guarantee it.
Pat
July 8, 2008 10:05 PM
And that single gay crunchy con also needs to join those of conservatives who are downright soggy: Pro-free enterprise, pro-assertive military policy, pro-democracy and nation building, pro-conservative judicial nomination and against environmental extremism.
You'll also be married in no time. I guarantee it. To whom, I can't say.
jacobus
July 8, 2008 10:20 PM
Maybe we need a Crunchy Con match.com. Or at least a Crunchy Con Craigslist.
michael
July 8, 2008 10:22 PM
Move to Birmingham, Alabama. There are loads of CrunchyCon Christians living in the city. Be warned, though: I think our girl:guy ratio is probably 3:1, or worse.
David
July 8, 2008 10:30 PM
I love your book and blog, Rod, but I have long wished that you wrote more about this topic. I had no idea how to meet the type of person that is attracted to our philosophy. I am a single crunchy con male, but I finally got engaged to a wonderful crunchy con woman this year. There was no grand strategy other than lots of prayer and patience. Hang in there single CC's, and keep praying!
Annie out west
July 8, 2008 10:37 PM
I love reading this blog. Some things are perfectly recognizable as ME, and others are not - and that is just fine. But some people just have to get angry or dismissive or whatever, when people don't match up exactly with their ideas. Why? Isn't it OK to be different? Isn't that the true Crunchy Con - making room for all sorts in the boat?
Zach
July 8, 2008 11:05 PM
Michael: Move to Birmingham, Alabama. There are loads of CrunchyCon Christians living in the city. Be warned, though: I think our girl:guy ratio is probably 3:1, or worse.
I'm packing my bags as I read this...
Sarah
July 8, 2008 11:20 PM
I am the person who emailed Rod. I would like to make something VERY clear first-- my aim was not to express how sad and lonely I am about being single or for Rod to matchmake. I merely wanted to express that as a single who has a high value for family and for crunchiness, I'd like to hear how others are living it out.
Hey marrieds-- I am one single woman who LOVES being an active part of your families! It is one of the ways I live out my CC'ness. I love being aunt to my friends children and would cherish any other time they invited me in. It actually staves off any loneliness I do feel and keeps me from chasing the wrong guy to see good marriages at work.
I love the folks at the simple way. Community for communities is a website intended to connect people who are communal. I think I would like to hear more about how singles live out some of the more "family" oriented part of CC'ing.
Marie
July 8, 2008 11:24 PM
When I was single and hadn't found a circle of like-minded friends, I used to wish that arranged marriage or at least some variation of introduction of like-minded singles to each other was still practiced in the West. But of course it wasn't and isn't, and there were many times I was desperately lonely. It's not easy, especially when one doesn't share many of the points of view even of one's own church members, let alone one's classmates or colleagues. At the time, I copied down some difficult but ultimately helpful words from the Notebooks of Simone Weil, which I still find useful today, when like-minded people are still few and far between:
To want to escape from being lonely is cowardice. Friendship ought not cure the sorrows of loneliness but to double its joys....Friendship is not to be sought for, dreamed about, longed for, but exercized (it is a virtue)....
Preserve your solitude. If the day ever comes when a *real* friendship is bestowed on you, there will be no conflict between your inner solitude and this friendship. On the contrary, that is the infallible sign by which you will know it.
Sarah in Maryland
July 8, 2008 11:36 PM
I am newly married and many of my girl friends aren't married. I still spend lots of time with my single friends. I hope that doesn't change when children dome into the picture. Nonetheless, even as a married person I have NO crunchy con friends who live nearby. NONE. Nadda. Nope. I have crunchy friends and artsty friends and conservative friends, but not both/and. It is lonely sometimes feeling like you are the only one. Where do you live, reader? Come be my crunchy friend!
Andrew
July 8, 2008 11:36 PM
I too am single and in the process of working my way through this book. I actually was raised a moderate Republican, became a solid leftist in college, and then beagn to drift towards a form of social conservatism as i saw my old community die, i continue to see broken families as a threat to the security of the nation, i've come to value agrarianism as the cornerstone of my America, and i've grown truly closer to god than i ever was as a kid, all while maintaining my environmental values and a belief that problems with education and welfare will ultimately be solved by local bodies, not distant monoliths. Personally I'd like to blame my singleness on the fact that I've moved a lot in the past year or so, but family life is something I'd like to aim for once I settle down. i'm moving to Memphis, Tn soon and plan to be there for quite some time. Sounds like the southeast is a good place for a CC to be, huh? Maybe there should be a meeting place or something.
Sarah the 'reader'
July 8, 2008 11:42 PM
Sarah in Maryland, I live in Nashville, and so I am sorry but I cannot be your local friend. However, as Rod points out in his book... modern technology is not evil-- is has opened to us a world of online community. Though not the same, it's still beautiful! :) Actually, my best friends are all long distance. We have one question that keeps us close: How are you REALLY?
Ethan C.
July 9, 2008 1:01 AM
As a single young man, close enough in most ways to the archetype to accept being termed a "crunchy con" (though I'm not entirely sure the label is 100% appropriate to me), my advice is to live as close as possible to your parents and hometown. Where I live (Jefferson City, Missouri), the sort of structures and community that the Miss Sarah longs for are available. I live quite happily in the same house as my parents, and I am quite content to continue to do so until I am financially secure enough to begin actively seeking a wife. It seems to me that my living arrangement is much closer to the traditional mode of life, especially as it is practiced in cultures outside the United States, than the typical rootless situation of most young people, crunchy or otherwise.
Granted, there are drawbacks to such a choice (I'm afraid I'm not as well positioned for wife-seeking than I would apparently be in Birmingham), but it seems to me to be an excellent and often overlooked solution to the problem of loneliness. It depends, of course, on parents who are amenable to such a thing. I'm lucky that my parents were "crunchy" long before there was such a thing.
ElizabethB
July 9, 2008 1:17 AM
Sarah-
As a military spouse, I can assure you that there are tons of military spouses with deployed husbands and also single moms who would love a home cooked meal, whether or not they are crunchy!
Some churches have programs to match people as Grandmothers/Aunts for single moms and military without family support nearby. (Occasionally, people get lucky and actually get stationed near grandparents!) Many churches also have tutoring programs, and there should are secular versions of each type of activity in many cities.
When I was stationed in Germany, there was a "Hospitality House" run by Cadence International. It was a great. From their website:
"At “a home away from home” servicemen and women find an open door, a comfortable couch, a home-cooked meal, and people who listen, encourage, love, and point them to the hope of Christ. Hospitality Houses offer different ministries depending on location. These may include Bible studies, singles groups, family-focused ministries, evangelistic outreach efforts, one-to-one discipleship, and coffee house ministries. Hospitality House missionaries strive to share the ups and downs of life with military personnel, encouraging them into deeper relationships with others and with Christ."
sigaliris
July 9, 2008 6:47 AM
We have several single friends that we consider to be like family, and we'd all love to have each other as part of our support network, but we can't, for the same reason Rod bemoans as keeping us far from blood kin: jobs. We all have to work, and for various reasons, the jobs haven't come up in the same area.
Rod, I must gently remonstrate with you for assuming single friends wouldn't enjoy family life. Perhaps some would not--but maybe you should ask them before making that assumption? Back in our semi-communal days, we had some of our single friends actually living in the house with us. At times the uproar was, indeed, too much for them and they needed to absent themselves. But most of the time, they enjoyed it and so did the kids. Isn't it awfully un-crunchy to automatically segregate people by artificial categories like marital status? I feel excessively segregated where we currently live, and it's one of the things that is perpetually on my list of things to fix.
Franklin Evans
July 9, 2008 10:38 AM
Sarah, thank you for posting here. I was hoping to see your clarification of some points.
Our children's lives have only been enriched by our single friends and the time they've spent with us. Extended family -- and with all of the connotations to "family" -- is not defined solely by blood relationships. That those single friends also feel enriched by their time with our children just makes me all the happier, and grateful for them. I can't imagine having a family without them.
Toad
July 9, 2008 11:37 AM
Ethan C. said: I live quite happily in the same house as my parents, and I am quite content to continue to do so until I am financially secure enough to begin actively seeking a wife.
Hello, Ethan. I think this is an interesting statement. Do you mean that when you are finacially secure enough you will move into your own place and then start "actively seeking a wife?"
I don't know if it's a difference in local culture or generation or what (I'm 50 and live in Seattle), but I have to say that here, a single man who lives with his parents is not generally considered a good marriage prospect. (The assumption being -- obviously not necessarily a valid one -- that he doesn't have the ability or gumption to support himself.) A very young man who lives with his parents and is saving money is seen as wise and mature -- but not really marriage material until he's "left the nest."
Strong family ties and sound financial planning are good reasons for an adult to live with his/her parents; but what does that arrangement say, if anything, about self-sufficiency? I'd love to hear a discussion on this.
AnotherBeliever
July 9, 2008 3:09 PM
I would agree with several of the posters here - I would love to spend some time with your kids in your messy house. I'd even like to help out if I could - even if it was just making them a basic lunch of macaroni and cheese while you sat down for a bit - though I don't think for moment the kids would leave you alone, at least you'd be off your feet. One of the platoon sergeants in my company has invited me to his place a couple of times - he has three adorable little girls and a baby boy, and I just melted being around them. Having a conversation with a little girl especially can right many temporary wrongs I think.
Not all singles would enjoy this. But it seems quite a few would. Doesn't hurt to ask, just keep an eye out for those singles who cast a longing look on your brood as you bundle them up after church for the car ride home. If everyone keeps their sense of humor about them, everything should go off without a hitch!
But on a larger scale, we do really need more community-based set-ups for the good of everyone. One of the pluses of the military is that everyone lives in community. If you are single, you are warehoused in the barracks, which is annoying in some respects (I would kill for a kitchen) But at least you're never alone. Ever...
Unit cohesion dictates regular get-togethers, ranging from the family friendly barbecue where single folks will encounter little ones, to big field days, to informal drinking parties dominated by singles, either at someone's house or at a bar (or series of them of course.)
Among married soldiers there's a real sense of community with people helping each other out with yardwork and child-watching and passing around hand-me-downs and so forth. Everyone in the military system, from school age up, is invested into the military mission. It's a sense of common purpose, and it's enough to bring together fairly different people.
I'm not sure how you'd encourage this kind of behavior in the "real world." Co-housing is one option. Maybe throwing big block parties and volunteer events which require a lot of bodies are others. Living near your parents or relatives is ideal, of course. But there's not always good work to be had there. And even if you did move home, with your luck, your parents would retire to Florida five years later. We really need to rethink things as an entire society, and I have no recipe for that.
Ethan C.
July 9, 2008 9:14 PM
Toad, I'm not sure if you or anyone else will read this, now that the post is off the first page (the perils of an excessively active blog, alas), but I'll respond anyhow just in case.
I haven't yet decided whether seeking a wife will necessarily require moving out of my parents' house (as I plan on being chaste, bedroom privacy it isn't an absolute must), but marriage certainly will. I agree with the popular opinion that living by one's self is excellent practice for the responsibilities of marriage, and I'd like to make sure and get it before the big test.
However, I don't tend to think of such things in terms of "self-sufficiency." I think that American culture vastly overvalues that quality. "Responsibility" is a different concept, related to stewardship and duty rather than autonomy and freedom. It's responsibility that I expect to eventually cultivate through independent living, not "self-sufficiency," as I think the latter is a dangerous illusion. It's also, I think one of the main causes of loneliness nowadays.
But, to be frank, the ideals of responsibility and preparation for marriage are taking a back seat right now to economic realities. Living at home, I can save money like nobody's business and get out from under my student loans. Since I enjoy my family's company and my parents rarely impinge on the freedoms I value, I have very little incentive to leave, and a great deal to stay. They don't seem to mind having me about either.
But I've promised to leave as soon as I believe I'm taking advantage of their hospitality. And I swear I won't become another Ignatius J. Reilly. :)
Sarah the 'reader'
July 9, 2008 10:10 PM
well Ethan, as a single woman, I would say I probably would not date or consider marrying a man who still lived with his parents. At 26, some say I should stop being so picky. However, there are things you learn living on your own-- from bills, to house cleaning, to self discipline, that you just don't learn with your parents. I have actually known many men who have lived with their parents until married, for financial reasons, and frankly they weren't ready for the responsibility of a wife and family when they did get married. I'm not saying you personally, Ethan, will not be ready, but it's something to consider.
Anonymous
July 10, 2008 11:27 AM
However, I don't tend to think of such things in terms of "self-sufficiency." I think that American culture vastly overvalues that quality. "Responsibility" is a different concept, related to stewardship and duty rather than autonomy and freedom. It's responsibility that I expect to eventually cultivate through independent living, not "self-sufficiency," as I think the latter is a dangerous illusion. It's also, I think one of the main causes of loneliness nowadays.
Hello, Ethan. Yes, "responsibility" is a better word for what I mean. Thank you!
Sarah the 'reader' gave a lot of good examples of why it's good for an adult to live on his/her own for a while. I think that the way a person (man or woman) orders his/her household is a really important indicator of compatibility. If I visit you at your parents' house, I'm most likely seeing their comfort level with clutter, their taste in colors and furnishings, their standards of cleanliness. But what I want to know about is how tidy you are, colors that you find comfortable and restful, how clean you keep a kitchen, how your yard looks. These are not trivial things. If a man is going to be the head of his household, he needs to know how to hold house -- and how will he know how if he doesn't do it?
Anyway, none of this is aimed at you personally.
Best regards!
Toad
July 10, 2008 11:30 AM
That last was me. -Toad
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I feel for your correspondent; I really do. I have been married 25 years, and I cannot imagine the difficulties so many young people go through in their single years. It is a whole different world out there.
There *used* to be support networks of various kinds for single people. My late mother-in-law lived in a "women's hotel" in the downtown of a major city when she was new in town and just getting established. It was a single-room-occupancy building with a dining room/tea room, and a nice lobby for entertaining the "gentlemen callers" (none allowed past the lobby.) A good portion of the women were defense workers.
Earlier than that there were boarding houses (remember how Jo Marsh met the Professor in Little Women?) Or single people boarded in family homes.
Perhaps there is something to be explored in "co-housing" arrangements - has anyone had any experience with those?
Well, as a young, single, male crunchy con, I can say that I certainly sympathize with the writer. Crunchy cons don't seem to be too common, at least not in my area; the young people I know who believe in the environmental tenets of crunchy conservatism don't necessarily believe in the religious side of it, and of course, vice versa. It gets depressing when every available female has a tramp stamp and whose most pressing issue is which celebrity is banging which...
Check out: thesimpleway.org. It's an intententional, missional community in Phila. along the line of what the writer seems to be looking for. She can also search for a Christian Community Development Corporation (CCDA)in her area for like-minded, mission-oriented people.
I believe Rod didn't intend to overlook you. Being single and a Christian most often means be invisible to married Christians, especially if you are a woman, as I am. Since married people most often run lay Christian activities, get used to being presumed not to exist in the eyes of our married brethren.
There are some areas where the Church is open to singles. If you are a man and are Catholic there are lots of opportunities to explore potential vocations to the priesthood. Not so much encouragement to religious life for women.
What if you don't want to be a priest or a religious? Well then people don't know what to do with you. It's as the letter writer stated: the rest of the married couples are waiting for you to grow up and find your soul mate (or settle if you have to) so that you can join in the fun.
I live with another single Catholic. It's nice but it sure would be better to have a bigger support system. Group co-housing might be nice. Imagine: shared(locally produced) meals, daily lauds, a support system of folks who believe and live as you do. The only thing that comes close to aligning with this vision of mine is the original Catholic Worker house with Dorothy Day. I don't know if this kind of arrangement can exist in this day and age. Maybe in an urban, eastern area? It's a thought well worth exploring.
imagine being a single, gay, Christian crunchy con. now that's lonely! :)
I have to confess, I don't reach out to singles as much as I probably should. I tend to assume that single people do not want any part of my noisy, messy, family life and that they would be horrified to enter into my untidy home filled with children and pets.
Of course, I am basing this upon my own experience as a single person, which was 15 years ago and decidedly non-crunchy, con or otherwise.
I'm with Salamander -- I assume that no single person in his or her right mind would want to be all up in the house with us and three kids. I wouldn't have as a single person, but only because time spent communing with a family was time not spent out looking for my One True Love.
That single crunchy con needs to join those of conservatives who are downright soggy: Pro-free enterprise, pro-assertive military policy, pro-democracy and nation building, pro-conservative judicial nomination and against environmental extremism.
You'll be married in no time. I guarantee it.
And that single gay crunchy con also needs to join those of conservatives who are downright soggy: Pro-free enterprise, pro-assertive military policy, pro-democracy and nation building, pro-conservative judicial nomination and against environmental extremism.
You'll also be married in no time. I guarantee it. To whom, I can't say.
Maybe we need a Crunchy Con match.com. Or at least a Crunchy Con Craigslist.
Move to Birmingham, Alabama. There are loads of CrunchyCon Christians living in the city. Be warned, though: I think our girl:guy ratio is probably 3:1, or worse.
I love your book and blog, Rod, but I have long wished that you wrote more about this topic. I had no idea how to meet the type of person that is attracted to our philosophy. I am a single crunchy con male, but I finally got engaged to a wonderful crunchy con woman this year. There was no grand strategy other than lots of prayer and patience. Hang in there single CC's, and keep praying!
I love reading this blog. Some things are perfectly recognizable as ME, and others are not - and that is just fine. But some people just have to get angry or dismissive or whatever, when people don't match up exactly with their ideas. Why? Isn't it OK to be different? Isn't that the true Crunchy Con - making room for all sorts in the boat?
Michael: Move to Birmingham, Alabama. There are loads of CrunchyCon Christians living in the city. Be warned, though: I think our girl:guy ratio is probably 3:1, or worse.
I'm packing my bags as I read this...
I am the person who emailed Rod. I would like to make something VERY clear first-- my aim was not to express how sad and lonely I am about being single or for Rod to matchmake. I merely wanted to express that as a single who has a high value for family and for crunchiness, I'd like to hear how others are living it out.
Hey marrieds-- I am one single woman who LOVES being an active part of your families! It is one of the ways I live out my CC'ness. I love being aunt to my friends children and would cherish any other time they invited me in. It actually staves off any loneliness I do feel and keeps me from chasing the wrong guy to see good marriages at work.
I love the folks at the simple way. Community for communities is a website intended to connect people who are communal. I think I would like to hear more about how singles live out some of the more "family" oriented part of CC'ing.
When I was single and hadn't found a circle of like-minded friends, I used to wish that arranged marriage or at least some variation of introduction of like-minded singles to each other was still practiced in the West. But of course it wasn't and isn't, and there were many times I was desperately lonely. It's not easy, especially when one doesn't share many of the points of view even of one's own church members, let alone one's classmates or colleagues. At the time, I copied down some difficult but ultimately helpful words from the Notebooks of Simone Weil, which I still find useful today, when like-minded people are still few and far between:
To want to escape from being lonely is cowardice. Friendship ought not cure the sorrows of loneliness but to double its joys....Friendship is not to be sought for, dreamed about, longed for, but exercized (it is a virtue)....
Preserve your solitude. If the day ever comes when a *real* friendship is bestowed on you, there will be no conflict between your inner solitude and this friendship. On the contrary, that is the infallible sign by which you will know it.
I am newly married and many of my girl friends aren't married. I still spend lots of time with my single friends. I hope that doesn't change when children dome into the picture. Nonetheless, even as a married person I have NO crunchy con friends who live nearby. NONE. Nadda. Nope. I have crunchy friends and artsty friends and conservative friends, but not both/and. It is lonely sometimes feeling like you are the only one. Where do you live, reader? Come be my crunchy friend!
I too am single and in the process of working my way through this book. I actually was raised a moderate Republican, became a solid leftist in college, and then beagn to drift towards a form of social conservatism as i saw my old community die, i continue to see broken families as a threat to the security of the nation, i've come to value agrarianism as the cornerstone of my America, and i've grown truly closer to god than i ever was as a kid, all while maintaining my environmental values and a belief that problems with education and welfare will ultimately be solved by local bodies, not distant monoliths. Personally I'd like to blame my singleness on the fact that I've moved a lot in the past year or so, but family life is something I'd like to aim for once I settle down. i'm moving to Memphis, Tn soon and plan to be there for quite some time. Sounds like the southeast is a good place for a CC to be, huh? Maybe there should be a meeting place or something.
Sarah in Maryland, I live in Nashville, and so I am sorry but I cannot be your local friend. However, as Rod points out in his book... modern technology is not evil-- is has opened to us a world of online community. Though not the same, it's still beautiful! :) Actually, my best friends are all long distance. We have one question that keeps us close: How are you REALLY?
As a single young man, close enough in most ways to the archetype to accept being termed a "crunchy con" (though I'm not entirely sure the label is 100% appropriate to me), my advice is to live as close as possible to your parents and hometown. Where I live (Jefferson City, Missouri), the sort of structures and community that the Miss Sarah longs for are available. I live quite happily in the same house as my parents, and I am quite content to continue to do so until I am financially secure enough to begin actively seeking a wife. It seems to me that my living arrangement is much closer to the traditional mode of life, especially as it is practiced in cultures outside the United States, than the typical rootless situation of most young people, crunchy or otherwise.
Granted, there are drawbacks to such a choice (I'm afraid I'm not as well positioned for wife-seeking than I would apparently be in Birmingham), but it seems to me to be an excellent and often overlooked solution to the problem of loneliness. It depends, of course, on parents who are amenable to such a thing. I'm lucky that my parents were "crunchy" long before there was such a thing.
Sarah-
As a military spouse, I can assure you that there are tons of military spouses with deployed husbands and also single moms who would love a home cooked meal, whether or not they are crunchy!
Some churches have programs to match people as Grandmothers/Aunts for single moms and military without family support nearby. (Occasionally, people get lucky and actually get stationed near grandparents!) Many churches also have tutoring programs, and there should are secular versions of each type of activity in many cities.
When I was stationed in Germany, there was a "Hospitality House" run by Cadence International. It was a great. From their website:
"At “a home away from home” servicemen and women find an open door, a comfortable couch, a home-cooked meal, and people who listen, encourage, love, and point them to the hope of Christ. Hospitality Houses offer different ministries depending on location. These may include Bible studies, singles groups, family-focused ministries, evangelistic outreach efforts, one-to-one discipleship, and coffee house ministries. Hospitality House missionaries strive to share the ups and downs of life with military personnel, encouraging them into deeper relationships with others and with Christ."
We have several single friends that we consider to be like family, and we'd all love to have each other as part of our support network, but we can't, for the same reason Rod bemoans as keeping us far from blood kin: jobs. We all have to work, and for various reasons, the jobs haven't come up in the same area.
Rod, I must gently remonstrate with you for assuming single friends wouldn't enjoy family life. Perhaps some would not--but maybe you should ask them before making that assumption? Back in our semi-communal days, we had some of our single friends actually living in the house with us. At times the uproar was, indeed, too much for them and they needed to absent themselves. But most of the time, they enjoyed it and so did the kids. Isn't it awfully un-crunchy to automatically segregate people by artificial categories like marital status? I feel excessively segregated where we currently live, and it's one of the things that is perpetually on my list of things to fix.
Sarah, thank you for posting here. I was hoping to see your clarification of some points.
Our children's lives have only been enriched by our single friends and the time they've spent with us. Extended family -- and with all of the connotations to "family" -- is not defined solely by blood relationships. That those single friends also feel enriched by their time with our children just makes me all the happier, and grateful for them. I can't imagine having a family without them.
Ethan C. said: I live quite happily in the same house as my parents, and I am quite content to continue to do so until I am financially secure enough to begin actively seeking a wife.
Hello, Ethan. I think this is an interesting statement. Do you mean that when you are finacially secure enough you will move into your own place and then start "actively seeking a wife?"
I don't know if it's a difference in local culture or generation or what (I'm 50 and live in Seattle), but I have to say that here, a single man who lives with his parents is not generally considered a good marriage prospect. (The assumption being -- obviously not necessarily a valid one -- that he doesn't have the ability or gumption to support himself.) A very young man who lives with his parents and is saving money is seen as wise and mature -- but not really marriage material until he's "left the nest."
Strong family ties and sound financial planning are good reasons for an adult to live with his/her parents; but what does that arrangement say, if anything, about self-sufficiency? I'd love to hear a discussion on this.
I would agree with several of the posters here - I would love to spend some time with your kids in your messy house. I'd even like to help out if I could - even if it was just making them a basic lunch of macaroni and cheese while you sat down for a bit - though I don't think for moment the kids would leave you alone, at least you'd be off your feet. One of the platoon sergeants in my company has invited me to his place a couple of times - he has three adorable little girls and a baby boy, and I just melted being around them. Having a conversation with a little girl especially can right many temporary wrongs I think.
Not all singles would enjoy this. But it seems quite a few would. Doesn't hurt to ask, just keep an eye out for those singles who cast a longing look on your brood as you bundle them up after church for the car ride home. If everyone keeps their sense of humor about them, everything should go off without a hitch!
But on a larger scale, we do really need more community-based set-ups for the good of everyone. One of the pluses of the military is that everyone lives in community. If you are single, you are warehoused in the barracks, which is annoying in some respects (I would kill for a kitchen) But at least you're never alone. Ever...
Unit cohesion dictates regular get-togethers, ranging from the family friendly barbecue where single folks will encounter little ones, to big field days, to informal drinking parties dominated by singles, either at someone's house or at a bar (or series of them of course.)
Among married soldiers there's a real sense of community with people helping each other out with yardwork and child-watching and passing around hand-me-downs and so forth. Everyone in the military system, from school age up, is invested into the military mission. It's a sense of common purpose, and it's enough to bring together fairly different people.
I'm not sure how you'd encourage this kind of behavior in the "real world." Co-housing is one option. Maybe throwing big block parties and volunteer events which require a lot of bodies are others. Living near your parents or relatives is ideal, of course. But there's not always good work to be had there. And even if you did move home, with your luck, your parents would retire to Florida five years later. We really need to rethink things as an entire society, and I have no recipe for that.
Toad, I'm not sure if you or anyone else will read this, now that the post is off the first page (the perils of an excessively active blog, alas), but I'll respond anyhow just in case.
I haven't yet decided whether seeking a wife will necessarily require moving out of my parents' house (as I plan on being chaste, bedroom privacy it isn't an absolute must), but marriage certainly will. I agree with the popular opinion that living by one's self is excellent practice for the responsibilities of marriage, and I'd like to make sure and get it before the big test.
However, I don't tend to think of such things in terms of "self-sufficiency." I think that American culture vastly overvalues that quality. "Responsibility" is a different concept, related to stewardship and duty rather than autonomy and freedom. It's responsibility that I expect to eventually cultivate through independent living, not "self-sufficiency," as I think the latter is a dangerous illusion. It's also, I think one of the main causes of loneliness nowadays.
But, to be frank, the ideals of responsibility and preparation for marriage are taking a back seat right now to economic realities. Living at home, I can save money like nobody's business and get out from under my student loans. Since I enjoy my family's company and my parents rarely impinge on the freedoms I value, I have very little incentive to leave, and a great deal to stay. They don't seem to mind having me about either.
But I've promised to leave as soon as I believe I'm taking advantage of their hospitality. And I swear I won't become another Ignatius J. Reilly. :)
well Ethan, as a single woman, I would say I probably would not date or consider marrying a man who still lived with his parents. At 26, some say I should stop being so picky. However, there are things you learn living on your own-- from bills, to house cleaning, to self discipline, that you just don't learn with your parents. I have actually known many men who have lived with their parents until married, for financial reasons, and frankly they weren't ready for the responsibility of a wife and family when they did get married. I'm not saying you personally, Ethan, will not be ready, but it's something to consider.
However, I don't tend to think of such things in terms of "self-sufficiency." I think that American culture vastly overvalues that quality. "Responsibility" is a different concept, related to stewardship and duty rather than autonomy and freedom. It's responsibility that I expect to eventually cultivate through independent living, not "self-sufficiency," as I think the latter is a dangerous illusion. It's also, I think one of the main causes of loneliness nowadays.
Hello, Ethan. Yes, "responsibility" is a better word for what I mean. Thank you!
Sarah the 'reader' gave a lot of good examples of why it's good for an adult to live on his/her own for a while. I think that the way a person (man or woman) orders his/her household is a really important indicator of compatibility. If I visit you at your parents' house, I'm most likely seeing their comfort level with clutter, their taste in colors and furnishings, their standards of cleanliness. But what I want to know about is how tidy you are, colors that you find comfortable and restful, how clean you keep a kitchen, how your yard looks. These are not trivial things. If a man is going to be the head of his household, he needs to know how to hold house -- and how will he know how if he doesn't do it?
Anyway, none of this is aimed at you personally.
Best regards!
That last was me. -Toad
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