Where's Smeato when you need him?

Honestly, what is it with the British Muslim community?

I dunno, what is it with Jews and their thing about not liking pork chops?

Ritually unclean - no, I don't get it either, but it looks like they feel pretty strongly about it.

Funny people, but if we all liked the same thing, there wouldn't be enough broccoli to go around...

One of the weirdest things is that this was Tayside. There are Muslims in Dundee??

I don't really know what it is about British Muslims. Even when not into terrorism, they go out of their way to antagonise people. I think there are several issues:
1. Britain is intellectually ill-equipped to deal with this sort of thing. We have no Constitution, and no narrative of national origin/freedom, like France and the USA. We could do with the Enlightenment, however uncrunchy it is to say that.
2. We're not used to immigrants behaving like this. The main immigrant waves in the late 19th C were Irish and Jews. The Irish stayed near the bottom rung of society, but were absorbed into society within a generation or so. The Jews self-segregated, but also had social advancement, and low crime rates, etc. Among post-WW2 immigrants, West Indians have followed the Irish pattern, whereas Sikhs, Hindus and Chinese have been closer to the Jewish pattern. Muslims, however, inter-marry less than Hindus, but have higher rates of dysfunction than West Indians.
3. Careers have been built on race relations. As the white-black conflict never really took off, despite a stuttering start in the 1970s-1980s, social workers and bureaucrats have had to look for an alternative source of income, offered by Muslims.
4. The first-past-the-post system used in elections means that a disciplined, monolithic minority, even of only 5% or so, can exert enormous leverage.
5. The biggest ethnic group among British Muslims is Pakistani origin. Pakistan is extreme among Muslim states, and it also exports a lot of its problem to the UK, running proxy wars among Britain's Muslims.

A lot of people talk about dhimmitude, and I do think that it is a realy possibility if one is talking 50 years or so in the future. However, there are so many other scenarios that I do not think it is really worth worrying about. A much bigger concern is the Balkanisation of society - although only a smallish minority of Muslims actually do anything in support of terrorism, hardly any Muslims are willing to obey secular law when it comes to things like marital issues, intra-family violence, apostasy, and paedophilia. AS I've said before, simply enforcing ordinary secular law on Britain's Muslims would provoke something resembling civil war, which could be dealt with by military means.

"Muslims demand the rest of us to follow their cultural quirks"

Isn't that what Rod wants?

Again, this is a non story claiming that one idiot's actions are an accurate reflection of the whole community. See:

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/output/2008/07/02/newsstory11590817t0.asp

Lots of mulsims round my way are willing to sell dog food or cards with pictures of dogs on. It's just one jumped up councillor.

Daniel said it before me. I generally agree with your sentiment, Rod. Can you please talk to that ridiculous Bill Donahue and tell him to get over himself?

Daniel: The analogy you draw is not all that close.

Of course, Muslims should be free to refuse to sell photos of dogs, say. What some were trying to do in this case, however, was to control what the police force does.

If one pharmacist chooses not to stock a particular product, that is up to him/her. An analogy here would be with Catholics trying to control what all the pharmacists in the town can sell. OK, Catholics have tried to do that with contraceptives, and they are very wrong, but that was not the case to which you were referring here.

A photographer should not be allowed to refuse to photograph gays, but he/she should be allowed to refuse to photograph people doing an action of which he/she disapproves, such as having a gay wedding. Equally, an animal-rights photographer should be allowed to refuse to photograph a hunting party, for example.

"The great majority of their kids and their grandkids will be assimilated into materialism, atheism and consumerism just like everyone else."

unfortunately that is not the case, the 7-11 bombers were second-gen UK muslims, you also see second-gen muslims in the US becoming radicalized rather than assimilating.

of assimilation is another matter as the multi-culti crowd doesn't believe in it, and works to accommodate new arrivals

Anytime your see a non-Muslim using the term "dhimmitude," you know you are about to be sledghammered by illogic and hysterics.

I'm saying that about 95% of the time, it's hysterics. Like this post, for instance. Islamopanic results in otherwise reasonable people losing all sense of proportion.

Rod:

Don't listen to John. Please keep pointing out examples of Muslim idiocy such as the one made the basis of this post.

Yep, all the same. An abortion pill, homosexuality, and puppies. Nothing to disagree over with those issues. Nope, not at all.