Crunchy Con

Democratic convention liveblogging

Monday August 25, 2008

Categories: Democrats
1. What a dull convention so far. I don't expect any political convention to be all that interesting these days, as scripted as they are, but if I wasn't paid to watch this thing, I wouldn't. Seriously. Do you...
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mm
August 25, 2008 10:07 PM

I wanted to watch but my cellphone microwaves already cooked my brain.

Mark D.
August 25, 2008 10:08 PM

Well, I am not easily chocked up but the speech that Ted Kennedy gave was very moving for me. He has been consistently demonized by the Republicans for many years. However, I think the true value of his life and his work will win out over the noise of hatred. He has not been perfect. We all know that - so does he. For me, politics, at its best, is all about helping others. It has been a long time since liberal ideals could raise its head high and tonight many of us took in the first breath of fresh air in a long time.

sj
August 25, 2008 10:39 PM

Actually, I liked Caroline Kennedy's introduction of the video --- I thought it seemed completely natural, i.e., real. I'm not a Kennedy fan, either, so I was surprised by her.

Daniel
August 25, 2008 10:51 PM

I think Ms. Obama has put an end to her critics who called her elitist and angry.

Denton
August 25, 2008 10:54 PM

Michelle's speech is pretty good. Almost makes you think that they're real people instead of politicians who will say anything to get power. Also almost makes you forget of her strongly anti-American, race-baiting comments in the past year or so.

Almost...

Daniel
August 25, 2008 11:21 PM

i Michelle irritated me by going on and on about how she left the corporate world for " public service." If you unpack this, you might end up where Steve Sailer did.

Well, she's no beer heiress who steals other women's husbands. So, I can see why Michele Obama's career is so upsetting.

ChuckDFW
August 25, 2008 11:22 PM

Re Leach: Maybe you were bothered by what he was saying? He caught my ear enough that I stopped doing house-chores and sat down to listen. It wasn't a headliner, but I think he voiced what many with midwestern GOP roots (as I have, surprise, surprise) believe about the contemporary Republican party.

And Michelle...as I kidded my black neighbor: "Now THAT's what I call well-spoken!"

Norm
August 25, 2008 11:29 PM

I liked Michelle's speech. She is very smart, very likable and very down-to-earth, and not the elitist that Peggy Noonan has suggested she comes across as. Maybe she has seemed out of touch in the past, but not tonight. In fact, as a white working-class Catholic I feel more commonality with the the Obama's right now then I do with anybody in the current Republican leadership. It's a shame about abortion, and it's a shame Obama's party is rife with Eastern elitists, left-coast goofs, and wild-eyed campus "radicals" all of whom are hostile to people like me. The best I can do is sit this one out, sadly.

Rob
August 25, 2008 11:33 PM

I'm a Democrat, and I can't say I was enthralled--but my vote usually doesn't go to the most glamorous candidate. And let him who has spoken to a hundred million viewers cast the first critique, what do you say, Rod? Do you suppose that has anything to do with delivery?

Mark in Houston
August 25, 2008 11:47 PM

Michelle Obama gave a good speech. She seemed warm, intelligent and pleasant, and told her life story well. That's all that's needed in a speech like that, and it wasn't the place for Bush-bashing or 14-point plans. That time will come later.

Also, I suspect Steve Sailer would never get a job or last very long in any serious corporate environment, be it a big law firm or someplace like that, so his views on what it takes to make it in biglaw or anyplace like that really aren't views I'd take seriously.

mark
August 25, 2008 11:49 PM

What a SNARKY piece-o-drek this blog is, you really had to make an EFFORT to rip into a night with Teddy's triumphant speech, and Michelle knocked it out of the park

Denton
August 25, 2008 11:55 PM

Mark, actually it wasn't very hard, if you haven't drunk the "Obama = Saviour"kool-aid.

Lord Karth
August 26, 2008 12:07 AM

I wonder how many people actually watched "Madame Defarge's" speech ? It was on relatively late, and will probably be overshadowed by Ted Kennedy's Last Hurrah. At least she didn't carry any knitting needles with her.....

Now, would someone mind telling me if this is the second time Mme. Defarge has been proud of her country, or the third ? Inquiring minds want to know.

Your servant,

Lord Karth

Bob
August 26, 2008 12:45 AM

Tell me, what's so "exotic" about Barack Obama? Compared to who?

John McCain was born to a U.S. Admiral, himself the son of an admiral. in the far away land of Panama. After a ne'er do well youth marked by "hell raising," he spent several years in a foreign land also (admittedly in the service of his nation, and some of it was against his will and quite heroic -- nevertheless, fortunately, highly atypical). Since returning, he has lived in his many homes in Arizona and Washington and elsewhere.

Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, a U.S. state. His father was an immigrant. So it is with many of all -- all of us, if you go back far enough.

Aside from a few years with his stepfather in Indonesia, young Barack Obama lived in Hawaii and Kansas, also a U.S. state the last time I looked. Though he claims to have some issues with drugs and some adolescent growing pains, he appears to have been a hard working, exemplary student throughout his life.

Later he spent two years at Occidental College, a college in Eagle Rock, a quasi-suburban neighborhood between Los Angeles and Pasadena (once the seat of WASP old money in Southern California). Then, a couple more years in New York while he attended Colombia. Finally, he went to Chicago, Illinois -- "hog butcher to the world" -- to work as a community organizer and get his feet wet in his chosen career. Then, on to the far away land of Boston -- "Bean Town" its natives call it, to attend Harvard, where he did pretty well to say the least. And, finally, back to the land of brats and pizza in Illinois.

He has a wife and two daughters and attended church regularly. He had a preacher who sometimes made extreme political statements that some might deem as hateful, but who wasn't named Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, John Hagee, Paul and Jan Crouch, Benny Hinn, who preach that people who disagree with them will be thrown into a literal lake of fire where they will be tortured for all eternity, and that this is a good thing.

The worst thing about his personal life anyone in the press has been able to prove is that the New York Times was unable to find anyone who remembered him using the drugs he claims to have briefly used before getting his life fully on track. (If Obama had managed to go through four years of college in Los Angeles and New York and NOT used any illegal drugs at all during the early 1980s, I'm here to tell you he would have been a part of a far smaller, far more exotic group.)

Sorry, the only "exotic" things about Barack Obama is his name. The fact of the matter is that his life experiences as the son of a struggling but extremely conscientious single mother who eventually marries a former coworker are far more common than those of the son and a grandson of Admirals who became a prisoner of war, then returned home and divorced his first wife in favor of a beer heiress with close family members who have been disowned and whom she refuses to acknowledge.

If the right really thinks Obama is exotic, but John McCain is just good folks, then its priorities may have become even more twisted than the Bush legacy appears to demonstrate.

There is one relatable American family running for President, and it is not the McCains.

Karen Brown
August 26, 2008 1:44 AM

Assuming that really is.. not quite sure what you're trying to say about it.

It has that she is white, female, and around sixteen at the time of the application, and was born in Wichita.

So, other than the creepiness of printing out the full social security application of a candidate's MOTHER, what is the problem with it?

Kirk
August 26, 2008 1:46 AM

Sure wish some Republican, some pundit, some analyst, some newsman, anyone would point out that the Democrats control both houses of congress. Who will hold the Democrats responsible for the failure to get the ball going on all these issues they claim are important? If spending is out of control, who is at fault? If we have no energy policy, who is at fault?

Charles Cosimano
August 26, 2008 2:21 AM

Thank you Rod, for having the masochism to suffer through this thing for us so that we do not have to waste time with it.

The conventions alternate between creepy and boring and judging by your description this one has plenty of creepiness (letting Kennedys in, the Pelosi freak show) and boring (the rest of it).

And I really wonder if there is anyone in the country not at that convention that even cares what any Kennedy says about anything any more.

Steve
August 26, 2008 7:06 AM

Barack Obama never lived in Kansas, for what it's worth. Hawaii, Indonesia, then Hawaii again.

Daniel
August 26, 2008 9:13 AM

"And I really wonder if there is anyone in the country not at that convention that even cares what any Kennedy says about anything any more."

Pretty much anyone who considers themselves a Democrat or a liberal or a progressive. His speech was fairly boilerplate, as Rod said, but Kennedy can really deliver a speech about the issues that liberals care about.

dhoff
August 26, 2008 9:29 AM

"...political theater." Exactly, and it all makes me just a little bit nauseous.

Alicia
August 26, 2008 9:41 AM

I watched the whole show last night, as I intend to try and watch the majority of both conventions. Not as bad as watching paint dry or watching a reality TV show, believe me. Actually kind of interesting - I liked the speech given by Michelle Obama's brother, even though he was obviously not a professional speaker.

As I was watching, I was thinking about how refreshing it is to have more African-American faces up on the podium. I think this is a good thing for our country.

Carolyn Kennedy does not claim to be a public speaker, and I think she is really a class act. I especially admire her efforts in the area of privacy laws. And I thought Michelle Obama's speech was overall pretty good, even though there were a few familiar passages which I am tired of hearing about Barack's background "As a grassroots organizer." Spare me.

I liked what Jim Leach had to say, as well. But, then, since I'm politically moderate, I would.

Bugg
August 26, 2008 11:05 AM

That anyone could speak well of a complete self-absorbed spoiled rich brat like Ted Kennedy, who has marched through his life breaking and destroying people and careers, is shocking. Honoring him doesn't speak well of anyone. The words are "Chappaquick" and "Mary Jo Kopechne".

And while I'm conservative, I am not reflexively a hater of Kennedys. JFk was a decent Cold Warrior president. I never met the man, but a mutual friend and client was a very close friend to JFK Jr. and thought highly of him.

"No Resaervations" was on. Why anyone would watch the Woman From Affirmative Action, Daley Machine Division drone on is beyond me. And the same is true of the GOP confab. Why bother?It's a commercial.

anishnaube
August 26, 2008 11:53 AM

Rod, I didn't look at Robert Lewis' SSN link. However, I work for the Social Security Administration and posting this information without Mrs Obama's permission is quite illegal. (BTW, she is dead. You can't get permission). You may want to remove this post.

Alicia
August 26, 2008 2:09 PM

Hi, Bugg. I know you are not alone in hating Ted Kennedy for his past history. But, there are many people who have worked with him over the years, including many Republicans, who have great respect for him.

Z
August 26, 2008 4:05 PM

Sure this was political theater. There is lots of that going around on both sides. If you want a fine and dandy McCain version, think of all those ads the McCain campaign has put out about he supports investment in alternative energy and then look at his record of not showing up any of the 8 or 9 times proposals to do just that have come before a vote in the senate. It all makes me nauseous. I am so sick of politics.

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Rod Dreher is an editorial columnist for the Dallas Morning News, and author of "Crunchy Cons" (Crown Forum), a nonfiction book about conservatives, most of them religious, whose faith and political convictions sometimes put them at odds with mainstream conservatives. The views expressed in this blog are his own.

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