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John Kerry outshines Bill Clinton tonight

Wednesday August 27, 2008

Categories: Democrats
Gotta say that John Kerry, who's speaking right now, is giving a far more pointed and vigorous speech advancing the Obama case on foreign policy and national security than Bill Clinton did. Who would have figured that Kerry -- Kerry!...
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Derek Copold
August 27, 2008 9:59 PM

You get the idea that Kerry's still p.o.'d about having his head handed to him by the Republicans four years ago. Well, he should be -- and he's giving 'em hell tonight.

I don't see why. He let them do it, and gave them ammunition with his waffling on the war.

Daniel
August 27, 2008 10:12 PM

The final nomination vote was an extraordinary moment for the country and the reason why Democrats are Democrats. The first, serious female candidate for president asking the first female speaker of the House to call a vote on the first African American nominee of a major party. This just wouldn't/couldn't happen in the GOP. All the criticisms of affirmative action and diversity and identity politics aside, it is an extraordinary moment to see how far we've come as a country.

Rod Dreher
August 27, 2008 10:14 PM

Oh, I agree, Derek. That's what I meant by if we had seen this John Kerry four years ago, the election might have gone a different way.

Sola Gratia
August 27, 2008 10:16 PM

Kerry's vainglory lost the Democrats the race in '04, not that I'm complaining. With his 'Nam record, or lack thereof, who would elect him? And then he goes and tells anyone who will listen how heroic he was in a wrong war. Honestly. Well, I'd be mad too, but the fact is, Kerry's just angling for a good position in the Obama administration--and Slick Willy knows he's not going to get one, so he doesn't have to suck up as blatantly. Why not make him Czar for Women's Affairs?

Stevereno
August 27, 2008 10:24 PM

If Sen. Kerry had said something like the following in 2004 he would be President of the United States: "When I got back from Vietnam, I was very angry - a lot of us were justifiably angry, but I said some things that went too far. I generalized in way that was not fair to my fellow soldiers. But now is the time that we all need to come together and move past the bitterness of that divided time." Unfortunately, Sen. Kerry made his bones in the liberal establishment as an anti-war guy. He was too arrogant to humble himself in this way. He was the guy when he ran into a secret service agent skiing who said when he was asked about it "I didn't fall." It's really too bad because Pres. Bush has been especially bad in his second term. If I had it to do again, I would have voted for Vice President Gore in 2000, but even knowing what I know now I still would have voted for Bush over Kerry. Sen. Kerry is just too arrogant to be POTUS.

rr
August 27, 2008 10:24 PM

quote: "The first, serious female candidate for president asking the first female speaker of the House to call a vote on the first African American nominee of a major party. This just wouldn't/couldn't happen in the GOP."

So you don't think Colin Powell could have possibly won the Republican nomination had he ran in 1996 or 2000? Also, it was a Republican president who appointed our first two African-American Secretaries of State, one of which is also a woman.

rr

Daniel
August 27, 2008 10:33 PM

"So you don't think Colin Powell could have possibly won the Republican nomination had he ran in 1996 or 2000?"

No. The GOP is not going to nominate a pro-choice African American who acknowledges the significance of Affirmative Action. Unpossible.

fbc
August 27, 2008 10:40 PM

No. The GOP is not going to nominate a pro-choice African American who acknowledges the significance of Affirmative Action. Unpossible.

No, but they damn well could nominate a pro-life African American who acknowledges the ruin wrought of Affirmative Action.

That'd be quite possible. Alan Keyes (whose 2000 Republican presidential campaign t-shirt I happen to be wearing at this very moment) is just one such candidate.

Anonymous
August 27, 2008 11:05 PM

That'd be quite possible. Alan Keyes (whose 2000 Republican presidential campaign t-shirt I happen to be wearing at this very moment) is just one such candidate.
Posted by: fbc | August 27, 2008 10:40 PM

Possible, yes.

Probable, not so much.

Anonymous
August 27, 2008 11:40 PM

Steverino says Kerry is too arrogant to be president.

As though George Bush is humble. Whew.

RJohnson
August 27, 2008 11:47 PM

"No, but they damn well could nominate a pro-life African American who acknowledges the ruin wrought of Affirmative Action.

That'd be quite possible. Alan Keyes (whose 2000 Republican presidential campaign t-shirt I happen to be wearing at this very moment) is just one such candidate."

Having worked on the Keyes campaign locally in 1996 I can assure you that he stands as much chance of getting the GOP nomination as Colin Powell does...and maybe not even that much of a chance.

Not only is Keyes unacceptable to most white evangelicals, he has tremendous baggage from his Illinois Senate campaign and his numerous campaigns from Maine back in the early 90s and late 80s.

Here in Iowa the biggest obstacle we had in trying to get Keyes name out in public was not the media, nor was it the GOP establishment. It was the evangelicals within the party. Almost exclusively white, this group gave us every excuse known to man as to why they did not want to get behind a Keyes campaign, even though his positions were nearly identical on every point with theirs.

Even when we would talk with them and point this out to them, they would not come over to our side. Why? Many answers were given, but the most honest one that I heard was that they did not believe he could win because, "America is not ready for a black President."

More than likely what they meant was that they were not yet ready to support a black candidate for President. Blind polling conducted by the campaign showed that as people were presented with his campaign positions the positives increased, consistently growing to strong support, until the statement "this candidate is African-American" was made, then support dropped dramatically.

I won't even go into the problems Keyes had outside of his race (unpaid campaign debt from nearly 10 years prior, charges of carpetbagging, plagiarism, and flip-flopping on affirmative action). The race issue was more than enough to kill his candidacy in spite of his views.

Take Alan Keyes political positions, oratorical style, and fire, and put them in almost any white male and you have the next GOP nominee for President, no doubt.

Charles Cosimano
August 27, 2008 11:48 PM

If the Republicans want to lose 50 states, Alan Keyes would be the man to do it for them.

Damn, the lines are coming good tonight. But this Kerry thing. I voted for Bill Clinton in 92 because he had the brains not to get shot at. I voted for Bush in 2004 because he had the brains not to get shot at. (I was in the hospital having emergency surgery so I did not get to vote for him in 2000 because he had the brains not to get shot at).

And now in 2008 I'm going to vote for someone who was not only stupid enough to get shot at, but managed to cost the taxpayers a perfectly good airplane! Is Obama a really bad choice or not?

DonF
August 28, 2008 12:08 AM

"Also, it was a Republican president who appointed our first two African-American Secretaries of State, one of which is also a woman."

And both of them look to be Obama supporters.

Karen Brown
August 28, 2008 12:21 AM

Actually, Charles, 5 perfectly good airplanes.

But who's counting?

Stevereno
August 28, 2008 7:58 AM

I agree Pres. Bush is too arrogant. In eight years, Pres. Bush has not measurably improved as public speaker. The only reason is arrogance. Public is such an important part of the job and he has not improved. I don't think it is because he is stupid. He's just arrogant. We're trying to improve our situation and not get more of the same or worse, which brings us to my concern about Sen. Obama (more arrogance).

Anonymous
August 28, 2008 5:15 PM

Why not make him Czar for Women's Affairs?

I agree. I would think a man who has had numerous scandalous affairs would have the experience for that position.

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