Not looking so good for Key West or Tampa either. All are within the 5-day forecast's scope. These forecasts aren't very good beyond 3 days. But I've got my bags packed just in case.
RJohnson64
August 27, 2008 1:46 PM
Perhaps God is reminding America of one reason we need to remove Republicans from office this fall.
lancelot lamar
August 27, 2008 1:54 PM
It was foolish to spend billions of tax dollars on repairing N.O. in the first place.
A wise policy--as opposed to Bush and the Congress' stupid, romantic and sentimental one--would have been to preserve the small area of the French Quarter and Garden District as a kind of historical Williamsburg or Cajun Las Vegas, with a city populations of 100K or so, and let the rest go to wetlands. Any city largely below sea level, trapped between an ocean and a lake, is going under eventually.
Zach
August 27, 2008 2:21 PM
If I had to hazard a guess, I'd predict a landfall somewhere around Mobile or Pensacola, as a minimum Category 3. It all depends how strong the high-pressure system pushing south is. Irregardless of where it lands, it's not gonna be pretty.
new orleans native
August 27, 2008 2:22 PM
i was born and raised in N.O
(.-we no longer live there b/c my husband is in the Army-)
but, almost all of our family is still in town-
naturally, we are very concerned about this storm-
i do not understand the attitude that many people have about N.O.-
disasters can and do happen everywhere-
why is helping to strengthen and rebuild N.O. any different than repairing any other city ?
may God have mercy and spare our City.
Marc
August 27, 2008 2:23 PM
Your friend's leaving? Bush must have had a really good policy to get him to evacuate this time. Good thing George Bush learned his lesson.
Sarcasm aside, I agree with Lancelot. Bush/Congress' decision to spend "whatever it takes" to rebuild that city was crazy. I also still don't understand how Katrina was Bush's fault. Local and State officials screwed up massively. Even more, the actual citizens demonstrated profound idiocy by not evacuating and by looting their own neighbors and rescue workers once their city was destroyed. Good grief people. Your city is destroyed and you decide to score a flat screen??? Why not be like Iowans, dust yourself off, and get to work?
Sorry to break the news, but the feds do not have ultimate authority to over-ride local decisions whenever they think it necessary.
NOLA Gian
August 27, 2008 2:57 PM
New Orleans is a major port, not to mention a railroad hub. You think that might have been a factor in the Feds decision to rebuild?
CSX, Norfolk Southern, Union Pacific, occasionally BNSF, &, surprisingly, the Mexican railroad, are all my front yard neighbors on the east-west track across the street from me. They're delivering your food & your imports to you, whereever you are. You think that might have been a factor in the Feds decision to rebuild?
Fifty percent of N.O. is at or above sea level. How much above sea level is Cedar Rapids? Did that help them? [BTW, New Orleanians have been up there helping Iowans with our hard-earned disaster expertise.]
We in in southeast Louisiana & along the Gulf Coast to Bayou La Batre, Alabama have the thousands of volunteers to thank, who have been helping us rebuild. It's them we owe. If you're not in that number, you don't know what it's really like & your opinion is worth nothing.
Bruce G
August 27, 2008 3:54 PM
I'm fine with New Orleans rebuilding itself, people rebuilding towns on flood plains, beaches, in forests, whatever, as long as *they* pay for the insurance or bear the risk of it being destroyed again. I'm fine with federal assistance after disasters but funding a rebuild? No thanks.
Anonymous
August 27, 2008 4:07 PM
I'm pretty sure it's possible to move railroad tracks, warehouses and ports, as well as build houses, in a safer place. I do feel sorry for people who feel attached to such places and all they have lost, but it does seem a bit odd from the outside to think that it's necessary to live in a place that has proven to be geographically uninhabitable.
It's true that natural disasters can happen anywhere, but when you live next to the Gulf of Mexico, in hurricane alley, have lost the natural defenses of wetlands, and rely on falible human engineering projects to maintain a city that's half below sea level there must come a point when one wonders why one has to live precisely THERE as opposed to someplace less vulnerable.
Nonetheless - I do hope you and all who are in harm's way may be safe this weekend.
Anonymous
August 27, 2008 4:31 PM
"Even more, the actual citizens demonstrated profound idiocy by not evacuating and by looting their own neighbors and rescue workers once their city was destroyed. Good grief people. Your city is destroyed and you decide to score a flat screen??? Why not be like Iowans, dust yourself off, and get to work?"
YEah there were some that did that but there countless more that helped their neighbors
jh
August 27, 2008 4:32 PM
"Even more, the actual citizens demonstrated profound idiocy by not evacuating and by looting their own neighbors and rescue workers once their city was destroyed. Good grief people. Your city is destroyed and you decide to score a flat screen??? Why not be like Iowans, dust yourself off, and get to work?"
YEah there were some that did that but there countless more that helped their neighbors
jh
August 27, 2008 4:36 PM
"I'm pretty sure it's possible to move railroad tracks, warehouses and ports, as well as build houses, in a safer place. I do feel sorry for people who feel attached to such places and all they have lost, but it does seem a bit odd from the outside to think that it's necessary to live in a place that has proven to be geographically uninhabitable. "
The geogrpahically uninhabitable part can and must be reversed
Anonymous
August 27, 2008 4:40 PM
"I'm fine with New Orleans rebuilding itself, people rebuilding towns on flood plains, beaches, in forests, whatever, as long as *they* pay for the insurance or bear the risk of it being destroyed again. I'm fine with federal assistance after disasters but funding a rebuild? No thanks."
THe battle right now is to get insurance. I think people see Louisiana and just see the French Quarter at times. Most people do not realize this is a very working Coast in a fragile environemnt. The Seafood, all that pil and Gas, the shipping on American's biggest Highway (the mississippi river) is crucial for the health of this country. It is a national security issue. That stuff is not done by robots and communities have to be there to support it
charles cosimano
August 27, 2008 5:54 PM
Does this mean that Gustav will finish the job?
Scott R.
August 27, 2008 10:43 PM
While we're abandoning New Orleans, make sure we dump L.A and San Francisco first, because they're going to go in a bigger way within 30 years than N.O. ever did.
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Not looking so good for Key West or Tampa either. All are within the 5-day forecast's scope. These forecasts aren't very good beyond 3 days. But I've got my bags packed just in case.
Perhaps God is reminding America of one reason we need to remove Republicans from office this fall.
It was foolish to spend billions of tax dollars on repairing N.O. in the first place.
A wise policy--as opposed to Bush and the Congress' stupid, romantic and sentimental one--would have been to preserve the small area of the French Quarter and Garden District as a kind of historical Williamsburg or Cajun Las Vegas, with a city populations of 100K or so, and let the rest go to wetlands. Any city largely below sea level, trapped between an ocean and a lake, is going under eventually.
If I had to hazard a guess, I'd predict a landfall somewhere around Mobile or Pensacola, as a minimum Category 3. It all depends how strong the high-pressure system pushing south is. Irregardless of where it lands, it's not gonna be pretty.
i was born and raised in N.O
(.-we no longer live there b/c my husband is in the Army-)
but, almost all of our family is still in town-
naturally, we are very concerned about this storm-
i do not understand the attitude that many people have about N.O.-
disasters can and do happen everywhere-
why is helping to strengthen and rebuild N.O. any different than repairing any other city ?
may God have mercy and spare our City.
Your friend's leaving? Bush must have had a really good policy to get him to evacuate this time. Good thing George Bush learned his lesson.
Sarcasm aside, I agree with Lancelot. Bush/Congress' decision to spend "whatever it takes" to rebuild that city was crazy. I also still don't understand how Katrina was Bush's fault. Local and State officials screwed up massively. Even more, the actual citizens demonstrated profound idiocy by not evacuating and by looting their own neighbors and rescue workers once their city was destroyed. Good grief people. Your city is destroyed and you decide to score a flat screen??? Why not be like Iowans, dust yourself off, and get to work?
Sorry to break the news, but the feds do not have ultimate authority to over-ride local decisions whenever they think it necessary.
New Orleans is a major port, not to mention a railroad hub. You think that might have been a factor in the Feds decision to rebuild?
CSX, Norfolk Southern, Union Pacific, occasionally BNSF, &, surprisingly, the Mexican railroad, are all my front yard neighbors on the east-west track across the street from me. They're delivering your food & your imports to you, whereever you are. You think that might have been a factor in the Feds decision to rebuild?
Fifty percent of N.O. is at or above sea level. How much above sea level is Cedar Rapids? Did that help them? [BTW, New Orleanians have been up there helping Iowans with our hard-earned disaster expertise.]
We in in southeast Louisiana & along the Gulf Coast to Bayou La Batre, Alabama have the thousands of volunteers to thank, who have been helping us rebuild. It's them we owe. If you're not in that number, you don't know what it's really like & your opinion is worth nothing.
I'm fine with New Orleans rebuilding itself, people rebuilding towns on flood plains, beaches, in forests, whatever, as long as *they* pay for the insurance or bear the risk of it being destroyed again. I'm fine with federal assistance after disasters but funding a rebuild? No thanks.
I'm pretty sure it's possible to move railroad tracks, warehouses and ports, as well as build houses, in a safer place. I do feel sorry for people who feel attached to such places and all they have lost, but it does seem a bit odd from the outside to think that it's necessary to live in a place that has proven to be geographically uninhabitable.
It's true that natural disasters can happen anywhere, but when you live next to the Gulf of Mexico, in hurricane alley, have lost the natural defenses of wetlands, and rely on falible human engineering projects to maintain a city that's half below sea level there must come a point when one wonders why one has to live precisely THERE as opposed to someplace less vulnerable.
Nonetheless - I do hope you and all who are in harm's way may be safe this weekend.
"Even more, the actual citizens demonstrated profound idiocy by not evacuating and by looting their own neighbors and rescue workers once their city was destroyed. Good grief people. Your city is destroyed and you decide to score a flat screen??? Why not be like Iowans, dust yourself off, and get to work?"
YEah there were some that did that but there countless more that helped their neighbors
"Even more, the actual citizens demonstrated profound idiocy by not evacuating and by looting their own neighbors and rescue workers once their city was destroyed. Good grief people. Your city is destroyed and you decide to score a flat screen??? Why not be like Iowans, dust yourself off, and get to work?"
YEah there were some that did that but there countless more that helped their neighbors
"I'm pretty sure it's possible to move railroad tracks, warehouses and ports, as well as build houses, in a safer place. I do feel sorry for people who feel attached to such places and all they have lost, but it does seem a bit odd from the outside to think that it's necessary to live in a place that has proven to be geographically uninhabitable. "
The geogrpahically uninhabitable part can and must be reversed
"I'm fine with New Orleans rebuilding itself, people rebuilding towns on flood plains, beaches, in forests, whatever, as long as *they* pay for the insurance or bear the risk of it being destroyed again. I'm fine with federal assistance after disasters but funding a rebuild? No thanks."
THe battle right now is to get insurance. I think people see Louisiana and just see the French Quarter at times. Most people do not realize this is a very working Coast in a fragile environemnt. The Seafood, all that pil and Gas, the shipping on American's biggest Highway (the mississippi river) is crucial for the health of this country. It is a national security issue. That stuff is not done by robots and communities have to be there to support it
Does this mean that Gustav will finish the job?
While we're abandoning New Orleans, make sure we dump L.A and San Francisco first, because they're going to go in a bigger way within 30 years than N.O. ever did.
A meditation on being at peril from the sea in a land past its prime and full of spite.
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