McCain: Bush's third term
Categories: Republicans,
War
You know, it's stuff like this that deflates me regarding McCain. It's the NYTimes story today about how gung-ho he was about the Iraq war, and how gung-ho he still is for a foreign policy that's aggressive and crusading. Excerpt:...
Rod, Obama has consistently and clearly opposed the Iraq war.
A simple allegory:
A step-father moves into the house next door with a woman who has many children. He brings with him two teenaged sons who immediately appear to be a vicious pair. It quickly becomes apparent that the step-father and sons are terrorizing the woman, torturing her and her children, trashing the neighborhood, bullying other children and threatening the peace of the neighborhood.
In fact, when one of the younger children is suddenly found dead, it is fairly obvious that it was caused by one of the bullies. However, the neighbors are intimidated, so they just watch warily, ask the police and city fathers for help, but all that results is warnings, but no action is taken.
One day, a Molotov cocktail is tossed through your window and in the ensuing fire one of your children is killed.
Do you ask other neighbors for help and attempt to clean out the nest of vipers next door and rescue the woman and her children from the abusers? Or do you want to talk about it some more at council meetings, maybe go pray about it some more?
If another of your neighbors realizes that the police, won’t do anything, you won’t do anything, and decides to gather some friends and try to drive the bullies and abusers out, do you whine and complain that it is taking too long? Do you complain to all who listen about his action?
Of course you do.
Sigh, indeed. The "conservative" party decided around 1950 that its route to power was to be the militaristic nationalist party, routinely casting its opponents as appeasers of this country's adversaries.
When Nixon tried to set up an imperial presidency - i.e., the president as elected dictator - conservatives went along with the plan. Post-9/11, Bush, Cheney, et al., recast the imperial presidency as an Orwellian commander-in-chief in a war without end (Global War on Terror), in which the enemy is whoever the C-in-C says it is and opposition, or even skepticism, constitutes "surrender" to that enemy.
McCain, a third-generation career military man-turned-politician, is the logical hier to this hierarchical command model of the presidency. His background may make him more considerate toward the troops, less inclined to push the military past its breaking point, than Bush has been; but McCain's instinct, perhaps even more than Bush's, is to answer any foreign challenge with military force and to reject any domestic political challenge to his command authority - which, thanks to Bush & Co., now extends to wholesale violations of civil liberties and intrusions into privacy under the rubric of "national security."
This election may seem seem to be about the economy, Obama's "other"-ness, healthcare, social hot-button issues, Supreme Court appointments, etc.; but it's actually going to be a referendum on the nature of the presidency, on whether we continue to go along with the commander-in-chief/elected dictator model.
The issue won't be decided if McCain is elected. He will face a Congress with enlarged Democratic majorities, far less willing to finance military (mis)adventures and consent to appointments of cabinet officers such as Gonzales, Chertoff, Muchasey and Bolton - let alone hard-right judges. Senate Democrats, especially, will be far less fearful of Rove-style attacks, because there are no more than one or two vulnerable Democrats (as opposed to half a dozen vulnerable Republicans) up for reelection in 2010.
Rod, I really don't get all of the melodramatic hand-wringing.
This is very simple, really. McCain will nominate pro-life judges. Obama won't. What else matters, really?
Bacevich has told you that there will be no other substantive difference, rhetoric notwithstanding. The difference is the judges.
"The difference is the judges."
And war with Iran, and maybe Russia while we're at it.
"The difference is the judges."
With those pro-life judges, you also get pro-death penalty judges, pro-torture judges, judges uninterested in controlling the power of the executive branch, judges who will always favor business over the worker, polluters over the environment, big business over the consumer, health care companies over the patient.
When you complain in four years about an unchecked executive branch, a neverending war in Iraq, a war with Russia to defend Christian Georgia, totrure that violates international human rights standards, and unbreathable air and undrinkable water, at least you can be reassured that the same judges were pro-life.
With those pro-life judges, you also get pro-death penalty judges, pro-torture judges, judges uninterested in controlling the power of the executive branch, judges who will always favor business over the worker, polluters over the environment, big business over the consumer, health care companies over the patient.
Ironic, isn't it.
When you complain in four years about an unchecked executive branch, a neverending war in Iraq, a war with Russia to defend Christian Georgia, totrure that violates international human rights standards, and unbreathable air and undrinkable water, at least you can be reassured that the same judges were pro-life.
Hyperbole doesn't help your case. Unbreathable air and undrinkable water?? You had me until then.
Fair enough. A step too far.
The difference is the [pro-life] judges.
Who will also, if the past few years are any indication, finish destroying the Bill of Rights and complete the transition of the Chief Executive from President to Emperor (see "unitary executive" theory).
Bacevich should have known that the Dems would never vote to stop funding the war. No party will ever do that after the negative political repercussions of having done so for Nam, especially the Dems.
Steve
By pro-life judges do you mean those same judges that voided the General Election in Florida? Those same judges that ruled that it was against the law for a city to outlaw guns in homes? The same judges that void jury verdicts that punish corporations and choose to forgive debts of crooked bank?
Oh, those wonderful, god fearing judges bought and paid for by Corporate America who choose to twist the Constitution of America for the benefit of the Robber Barons of Wall Street.
Bring back the "honest" days of Richard Nixon whose only crime was to spy on the Democrats.
Without a veto proof majority, with a President handy with the veto pen, a Republican party who guarantees that when he uses it, it sticks, and with a public that is easily manipulated by the idea that voting against the war is voting for terrorism, that voting to not fund the war is the same as saying our troops won't get their paychecks.. exactly what were you expecting a hair thin majority both houses of Congress to accomplish?
We are reaping the fruits of almost a decade of not only war, but fear mongering, of kneejerk conflation of the war, and the troops. And, in the end, in a representative government, the larger amount of the people will get what they want, but only if they show they want it consistently, and don't balk every time an emotional button is pushed.
WE are the ones who need to be changing. We change, in large numbers, worry less about the scandal of the moment, less about labels, more long term thinking, and more reflective, there could be REAL change.
Given what I know about the majority of humanity (myself, as always, included), I ain't gonna hold my breath.
People are going to protect their own, care about surface details, cherrypick what we choose to believe, react emotionally, worry about the short term over the long, pick the easy answers, and not consider the long term costs, and avoid change whenever possible, and deny problems as long as we possibly can most of the time.
As much as I agree with Bacevich on how our nation has become a self-corrupted "empire of consumerism," with all the nasty ramifications that course implies, his analysis of the 2006 elections appears hopelessly shallow.
Because the Democrats came out of the 2006 midterm election with a 51-49 majority in the Senate and a somewhat larger (but hardly overwhelming) margin in the House they were in a position to end a war on which the President has bet his entire administration?
When in American history has a divided Congress ever dictated foreign policy to a sitting President?
Seriously. Give me an example.
Blame Congress for abdicating power to Bush in the wake of 9/11, sure. Blame the press for not challenging the phony arguments of the White House, absolutely. Blame the Limbaugh right for backing a war for oil, yes indeed. But blame the Democrats for not ending the war over the fervent opposition of the President and the Republican party? Unfair.
But blame the Democrats for not ending the war over the fervent opposition of the President and the Republican party? Unfair.
How about blaming them for not even trying.
They did try. And exactly what was anticipated was exactly what happened.
They were not going to sign the funding bill for the war. They were told they were obstructing the running of the government. They were called traitors, said they weren't supporting the troops. Endangering our servicemen and women for such a thing. And the president who didn't take out a veto pen, or even threaten it for the previous six years has used it the first time in 2006.
So, yes, they DID try. And it was both the Republicans who prevented it.
That, and the public once again falling for the paradigm that defunding a war is a treasonous act, that harms our troops.
They even tried a modified funding bill to help with veterans benefits, while giving SOME of the funding desired, to have IT blocked.
As long as there is a man with a veto pen, and only one house with even a slim Democratic majority, exactly what were you expecting to happen?
Any conservative hoping to get a pro-life judge from McCain is dreaming. If elected, he wouldn't appoint anyone to the right of Anthony Kennedy, for 2 reasons: 1) He's not personally inclined to do so; and 2) The Dem Senate, under the "ideological litmus test" imposed by Chuck Schumer and his ilk, won't permit a strict constructionist to be seated.
Whether McCain is selected President or Obama is selected President matters much less than one might think, for the following reasons:
1) Congress is still going to be controlled by Democrats, and they will have an agenda of their own. Remember Carter's term: he ran into all sorts of problems dealing with a Congress controlled by his own party;
2) There are still going to be American troops in Iraq, and they're going to stay there for the foreseeable future. We've still got forces in Bosnia 10 years after that pointless little war. There are still troops in Korea 50 years after that war ended. We've still got troops stationed on Okinawa and in Europe 60 years after another war. Does anyone really think that the Iraqi situation is going to be any different ?
3) Entitlement spending is still going out of control; the first of the perfidious Boom generation is going on the SocSec/Medicare dole even as we speak. That trend will only accelerate. Bush, for all his other faults (and they are many indeed), at least tried to make noise in public about addressing the SocSec issue---and got lambasted for it. Medicare ? Don't even start; the only issue being debated is how much Medicare spending should go up.
This is not to say that there will be NO difference between an Obama Imperium and a McCain Imperium. There will be some stylistic differences, and there will be different judges appointed. (But it won't make that much difference---the judges most likely to retire from the Supreme Court are all leftists.) The overall trends, however, are likely to remain the same; an ever-growing State apparatus, ever-expanding State spending, collapsing institutions everywhere else in the society, and social/political collapse, very likely within the next 20-30 years.
Oh, well. At least we won't lack for entertainment while the ship goes down. Absurdist comedy----you've gotta just LOVE IT !!
Your servant,
Lord Karth
Bacevich: "And the American people, at that point, adamantly tired of this war, gave power to the Democrats in Congress." . . .
Moyers: "Reid and Pelosi's commitment to forcing a change in policy took a backseat to their concern to protect the Democratic majority."
Bacevich: "Could anybody disagree with that?"
There's an obvious problem, isn't there? If the American people had given power to the Democrats in Congress in order to end US participation in the war, then the Democrats could have required immediate withdrawal of US troops without endangering their majority. Indeed, doing so would have strengthened their majority, right?
The Iraq war was not the only issue in the 2006 elections. The Republicans running Congress had given the voters lots of different reasons to throw them out of power. And, obviously, it's not like the only options in Iraq were to continue with the unsuccessful approach in place at that time or to withdraw immediately. Many foes of US military presence in Iraq may have read too much of their own views into the 2006 results.
Reid and Pelosi may have been quite perceptive in understanding the political limits of how far they should go in their efforts to require an immediate withdrawal of US troops, while at the same time saying a lot of stuff to play to the Democratic base.
Lord Karth rules.
The US public opinion is not quite so cut and dried as all that, SO.
They sometimes know what they want done, but they don't often realize what is necessary in order to DO it. So, you get complaints about the National Debt, for instance, but heaven forbid you cut services, or raise taxes in order to do so. They want the Debt lowered, they just will make suffer anyone who actually does what is necessary to make it happen.
Same goes with the war. They want the war over. Bush has no election to worry about, so he doesn't really care. (Cheney actually SAID 'so what' about it.) There's no voter pressure on him at all. The up side, presidentally, about being a 'lame duck'. He won't move the troops out. Which Congress can NOT do.
So, what course does that leave for the Legislative branch? The one power they have in this matter. The purse strings.
But that can be pitched to the people as, 'They want to put our troops in danger. They won't give them the money needed for pay, for weapons, and leave them broke and vulnerable.'
Now, that wasn't necessarily the case, since military funding, like any other, can be itemized. But that'd involve an explanation that might require more than a five second soundbite, and might even involve *gasp* numbers.
So, the public wants something done, but isn't willing to see through what would be necessary in order to do it.
They did try. And exactly what was anticipated was exactly what happened.
They were not going to sign the funding bill for the war. They were told they were obstructing the running of the government. They were called traitors, said they weren't supporting the troops. Endangering our servicemen and women for such a thing. And the president who didn't take out a veto pen, or even threaten it for the previous six years has used it the first time in 2006.
So, yes, they DID try. And it was both the Republicans who prevented it.
No, they didn't. They backed down. I don't consider it trying unless they actually failed. Almost no one has the backbone to adhere to principle and take a stand. It's all about false prudence.
Making the bill was trying.
The voting public shows itself easily manipulated by such talk, and we sure, awfully easy, expect people to vote themselves out of a job, when we can't even handle a rhetoric before pushing the panic button that makes people think they WILL lose their job for such action.
We need backbone too. And to understand what it takes to do what we want done, and show them that we'll stand by them when they do it.
I can't say that most people will.
You willing to run for a single term to get done what needs to be done? Knowing that you'll quit your day job, and spend millions and get the kind of things done to your family that get done to our representatives while they go around digging for dirt for a single 2 or six year term to take care of this?
Because that might be what it takes. Then you'd have to find people willing to vote you in.
In the end, politicians are people who, like all of us, want to keep their job.
Sure, it is public service, but that also involves doing what the public wants, to represent them. And that's built into the system. We never want a rep to think their job is totally safe and they can do what they please.
I think, honestly, the ones who REALLY need to show conviction and backbone?
We do. The public. We need to show that this is really what we want. That we know what it'll take to get it. That we will stick by those who do it. That we aren't going to cave the first time someone spooks us, or calls us a name, or infers we might be something or another if we support that position.
We get the representation we deserve. We need to deserve better.
Karen,
"The US public opinion is not quite so cut and dried as all that, SO."
You and I actually agree on this point. My primary point was to take Bacevich to task for reading the 2006 election results as signifying that US public opinion was quite cut and dried with respect to the Iraq war. That's not an interpretation that can be made with any confidence, IMO.
I think that, at the time of the election, there were many who did. But, obviously, given the hair thin majority in one house, the opinion on it, at that time, was divided.
Even now, and this is from someone who was against it from the beginning, most don't have the will, and the backbone to do what is needed TO end it, from the Legislative branch. Which is, and ONLY is, to defund the war.
They get too twitchy, too easily guided into the idea this makes the soldiers vulnerable, or impacts their paychecks, or shuts down the government, etc.
If we, the people, the ones who put them in, aren't willing to stand BY the politicians and tell them our will, and that we know what it takes to enact it, we might as well, otherwise, be telling them, 'Get from Point A to Point B, and the only acceptable way for you to do so is to teleport by the power of your mind. All other ways will be punished.' Then acting all surprised when they don't manage it.
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