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McCain, Obama and Putin

Monday August 11, 2008

The latest news from the Russia-Georgia front finds the Russians pushing past the disputed regions, and further into Georgia itself. Looks like they're trying to overthrow, or at least powerfully damage, the Saakashvili government, which provoked this crisis. The Georgians are getting their heads handed to them, and have sued for peace. Russia ought to accept that. What's happening now is difficult to justify.

Now that we've got a real international crisis, which of the two presidential candidates would you rather see in the White House handling it?

Here are the initial responses by the candidates. Short version: McCain talks very tough, wants to throw Russia out of the G-8; Obama wants diplomacy to deal with the crisis. The thought of Young Mr. Obama standing up to Vladimir Putin under these circumstances is risible. The idea of John McCain -- whose senior foreign policy adviser was recently a paid lobbyist for the Georgian government -- being in the White House plotting strategy is frightening. Clarification: it's commonsensical that you'd want an old hand in command at a time like this, but the choleric McCain's instincts are so combative and reflexively hostile to Russia that I fear for what kind of mess he would get the US into.

A possible indication: Bill Kristol lays down the neoconservative line in his Times column this morning, calling Putin a "dictator" (how much of a dictator can you be when you are widely popular among your people?), likening him to Hitler, saying the West is being tried in the same way it was tried by Nazi Germany, and suggesting that the US should consider military assistance to Georgia. No, no, no. We have been down this road before. Insofar as McCain would take us down it again, this time with Russia, advantage Obama. Putin's Russia has to be dealt with skillfully and resolutely. We can't keep hauling out the Hitler example to muddy our thinking every time a foreign government does something Washington doesn't like. Think before committing our military to a foreign situation that we don't fully understand!

I think Maximos has a pretty good handle on the situation. Excerpt:


America imprudently extended security assistance to a small nation with no connection to any vital American strategic interest, primarily as an element of a grand geopolitical strategy in which a non-prostrated Russia does not factor, and in which, as many current Western commentators are openly acknowledging, the control of Central Asian petroleum resources does factor, notwithstanding the manifest fact that Western dependence upon Russian petroleum reserves, and the reserves of Russian-allied states, cannot be mitigated substantially, let alone eliminated, so long as Russia remains an intact and functional state. American strategists cannot abide the commonsensical observation that patriotism means that citizens of other nations love their countries as much as we love ours, and labour under the delusions of exceptionalism and indispensability, not to mention the truly bizarre assumption that, if not for various false consciousnesses, citizens of other nations would be delighted to dwell under our tutelage and dominion.

Moreover, it is worth noting that the Russian campaign on behalf of South Ossetia is incontrovertibly the former's prophesied response to the West's world-historical blunder in facilitating the independence of Kosovo: the United States cannot logically traduce the international order of sovereign states at will, and then turn about to demand that other great powers respect that order where it both suits the declared interest of the U.S. for them to do so, but suits the interests of those powers to modify that order (It is worth mentioning, for what it is worth, that the status quo in South Ossetia simply was de facto autonomy from Georgia), and it is loathsome to listen to Bush administration officials, and John McCain, one of whose advisers was until recently a lobbyist for the Georgian government, prattle on about the sovereignty of Georgia. Yes, yes, we understand all of that. Now, hegemonists, heal yourselves!

Bottom line: shades of grey, and no legitimate and objective American interest.

Once again, I commend to you Larison's most excellent blogging on this situation.

UPDATE: And by the way, could we please stop the knee-jerk assertation that my view on this issue has anything to do with my Orthodox Christianity? It doesn't. Georgia is an Orthodox country too, you know. We have Russians and Georgians both in our parish. I don't like or trust Vladimir Putin, and do not consider him Orthodox, no matter what kind of show he puts on for the Russian Orthodox hierarchy. The thing I'm interested in here is trying to understand what's going on in a broader strategic and historical context, without succumbing to the usual Western liberal democratic line. How is it that NATO goes to war to defend Kosovo's secession, but Russia is not permitted to go to war to defend South Ossetia and Abkhazia's secession? To be clear, I don't think Russia gives a rat's rear end about the Abkhazians or South Ossetians; it wants to send a message to NATO that it will not be permitted to expand indefinitely. To the extent that Putin's aggression stops the NATO alliance from overextending itself, thereby drawing the US into future wars it has no business fighting, the KGB SOB has done us a favor. But this has nothing to do with Orthodoxy.

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Comments
AML
August 11, 2008 9:57 PM

It's 1938 again. Sudetenland, Hitler, Neville Chamberlain ...

Where is Churchill?

Winston Churchill
August 11, 2008 11:44 PM

I'm dead, you boob.

But I suggest you go to London, ring up Gordon Brown and warn him about "Angela Merkel's" REAL identity.

Tell him I sent you.


Stiff upper lip, old man,

Winston C.

Derek Copold
August 12, 2008 9:36 AM

Re: Winston Churchill @ 11:44 PM

Best. Post. EVER.

Dcn. Jonah
August 12, 2008 11:41 AM

In general, a good post. I couldn't agree more on the issue of Kosovo.

As a Russian Orthodox Deacon living and serving in the US, however, I would request restraint on the part of any Orthodox concerning declaring who "they" consider to be Orthodox and who they consider un-Orthodox. Simply put, this, in itself, isn't Orthodox. In focusing on our own unworthiness, there is little time to cast stones at others, the interior disposition of whose hearts are utterly unknown to us.

May peace and Christian fraternity prevail between The Republic Georgia and the Russian Federation!

Dcn. Jonah

DavidTC
August 12, 2008 1:24 PM

I admit I didn't know much about this until a week ago, but it appears we've been encouraging Georgia. Which is textbook stupid. (Hey, other countries: Unless we sign a damn treaty with you, stop assuming we'll help you do what we've asked you to do, especially if we communicate this in private and the average American doesn't appear to know about it. We obviously won't actually help, and it makes us all look like idiots.)

And, as people point out, it's hard to see a single difference between how Russia is acting now and how we acted in Kosovo, except for the fact that Russia clearly has a lot more legitimate interest in what happens directly on its border than we had over in Kosovo.

And for people worried that Russia is going to engulf Ossetia, if Kosovo had had the option of joining the US, do you think they would have hesitated a second? I suspect not. I know various people still think the cold war is going on and we should fight the expansion of Russia, but Russia appears to be treating North Ossetia just fine. (Chechnya, OTOH...) Moving to Russia instead of Georgia isn't going to kill them.

Of course, getting in the middle of a war between Russia and Georgia could.

Chris Mills
Does every single ethnicity require its own country? Are we leaving the idea of nation states and going back to little feudal pre-states composed of only one tribe?

Well, drawing lines totally randomly on a map and calling it a 'country', which is what we've been doing for 150 years, does not appear to be working very well.

Perhaps we should go back to that, and then go forward, letting tribes 'clump together' voluntarily in a more logical manner that doesn't put half the tribe in one country and half in the other.

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Rod Dreher is an editorial columnist for the Dallas Morning News, and author of "Crunchy Cons" (Crown Forum), a nonfiction book about conservatives, most of them religious, whose faith and political convictions sometimes put them at odds with mainstream conservatives. The views expressed in this blog are his own.

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