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Palin's debut (liveblogging)

Friday August 29, 2008

Categories: Republicans
There she is. Call me a big old sap, but looking at that Palin family, including little Trig Palin, the Down syndrome baby that Sarah Palin could have aborted, but chose to welcome into this world in April, brings me...
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Jason
August 29, 2008 12:46 PM

This pick couldn't have been better. Governor Palin is a knockout. I was not going to vote for McCain, nor for Obama. Now it might be worth reconsidering just for the sake of giving this lady a career in the future of the Republican Party.

elmo
August 29, 2008 12:47 PM

The more this sinks in, the more delighted I am by this pick of McCain's of w pro-life, corruption fighting, big oil windfall-taxing, sexy librarian married to her high-school sweetheart who just happens to be an Inuit.


elmo
August 29, 2008 12:47 PM

The more this sinks in, the more delighted I am by this pick of McCain's of a pro-life, corruption fighting, big oil windfall-taxing, sexy librarian married to her high-school sweetheart who just happens to be an Inuit.


Jamie
August 29, 2008 12:53 PM

Can I just vote for Palin, and not McCain?

Charles Curtis
August 29, 2008 12:55 PM

Well, I recommended Palin for VP on this site, on one of your threads a couple months back. Glad McCain took my advice. Suddenly I may no longer be sitting this presidential election out.

prufrockn
August 29, 2008 12:57 PM

I have been leaning toward McCain, and had to reexamine the candidates once Obama made the smart pick of Joe Biden. For me, it was down to McCain's VP choice. (Ohpleasepleaseplease not Mitt Romney!) Palin seals the deal and is definitely an appealing, albeit risky, choice for someone like me who desperately wanted Clinton to win. Palin seems to live out the things she believes in and is much easier to define than Obama, which may give her a leg up when it comes to the experience issue.

Anonymous
August 29, 2008 12:58 PM

You probably will be voting for Palin. McCain needs somebody with "surviving capabilities."

Grumpy Old Man
August 29, 2008 1:01 PM

This was a bold but thought-out move.

The base will approve: she's a pro-life woman who walked the walk, not just talked the talk. She has a record of fighting against corruption and for economy in gummint. Independents will be attracted to her.

Instead of a Washington hack like Slow Joe Biden, She's a new face, not an heir to some old political family, and she seems to have poise. Her speaking voice is quite high, which is a bit jarring at first, but we'll get used to it. Biden's going to have a problem in the debate. He can't come on too strong.

I still differ from McCain, most importantly on what I fear are his aggressive propensities, but this was a clever choice. I've got to hand it to the man.

M.Z. Forrest
August 29, 2008 1:02 PM

The more it's become apparent that this was a naked appeal to women voters rather than an appeal to social conservatives, the more the pick appears ultimately to be a loser. To appeal to feminists, Palin will play up her tamer view of homosexuality and down play her anti-abortion views. That is all fine if there is a large pool of feminists disaffected from Obama who still haven't commited to McCain. From a strategic standpoint, I don't think there are a large group of women there in play; they have made their choice. In emphasizing and attempting to establish her feminist bonafides, she is bound ultimately to chaffe a number of social conservatives.

Kirk
August 29, 2008 1:02 PM

I am completely STOKED right now. This will electrify the Republican base. WOW!

Ben
August 29, 2008 1:06 PM

I thought this was pretty funny from your last post:

Many of those Hillary voters are now in play. Followedimmediatelyby Palin is pro-life Hehe.

cb
August 29, 2008 1:10 PM

McCain has now proven beyond a doubt that his campaign has gotten inside Obama's decision cycle. And she's a great pick too.

Allen
August 29, 2008 1:12 PM

McCain's taking a huge risk with a VP that seems to be drawing significantly more enthusiasm than he himself is, but I think it may well pay off. Personally, I was practically praying it would be Lieberman, but no such luck.

This is going to be yet another incredibly close election, and I'm not at all certain who will win -- in a year the Democrats should have walked away with the thing. Change we can believe in, my foot. Obama's too busy soaking up fawning adoration and his own @#$%ing historic-ness that he let himself be out-maneuvered AGAIN. Hillary might not have given her acceptance speech in front of 84,000 -- but she wouldn't have lost the newscycle to Miss Alaska and Her Beautiful American Family either.

Simon
August 29, 2008 1:13 PM

For whatever it's worth (not much, probably), I've got 5 emails and one phone call this morning from disaffected conservatives. All 6 of them are euphoric about this choice, jumping out of the fence-sitting or nose-holding categories into outright enthusiasm for McCain-Palin.

Reaganite in NYC
August 29, 2008 1:14 PM

Wow!!!

When she talked about vetoing, as Governor, the Federal funding for the "bridge to nowhere," I could only imagine that Sen. Ted Stevens and the other corrupt bums among the GOP congressional screwups were really spitting their dentures into their soup bowls.

With her emphasis on reform and rooting-out corruption and wasteful spending ... this is the kind of conservative Republican ticket I can support with genuine enthusiasm. This takes us forward to "first principles" as a party and as a country.

As for her son going into harm's way starting next month (along with McCain's son in Iraq) ... this buries the "chicken hawk" image of so many in the party.

Her references to the 88th anniversary of women's voting rights this week and her acknowledgement of Hillary and Geraldine Ferraro will energize female voters. Considering the age of McCain, there is the very great likelihood that she will (with all due respect to Hillary) eventually end up being the first woman President of this country. If McCains wins in 2008, she will have the inside track as his successor. If McCain loses in 2008, she will be the frontrunner for the 2012 GOP nomination.

It was a great speech -- really knocked it out of the park. Too bad it wasnt' prime time ... but then again it was a good practice session for her appearance on Wednesday night (assuming "Gustav" doesn't re-arrange the Convention schedule).

Herman
August 29, 2008 1:19 PM

OK, so let's take "experience" off the table and see what we have left:

Proven reformer, obviously not one of the "good ole boys", obviously not a backer of "big oil", married to a "native American" (there's the minority connection!), she's a woman (hate to say it Dems, but there are a lot more disillusioned Hillary backers out there than you are willing to admit) so the Republicans still get the "historic first" claim if they are elected.

The negatives? Let's see, she MIGHT have used influence to get her ex-brother-in-law fired. Wow, not proven, and in the greater scheme of things, just not that earth-shattering anyway. Maybe he deserved it, who knows?

I think she will be more of a "uniter" than Obama or Biden and gives a lot of people a reason they didn't have before to vote for McCain. A shrewd move by any estimation. This election is definately going to be fun, and I was beginning to think I wasn't going to vote...

SiliconValleySteve
August 29, 2008 1:20 PM

I've still got goosebumps. I heard her on the radio, and it was no Dan Quayle moment. The lady is good. She can hold the spotlight and will.

Daniel
August 29, 2008 1:23 PM

I just watched Kay Bailey Hutchinson, 15 years as a U.S. Senator, trying to be excited about someone who two years ago was they mayor of a town of 8500 people. She must be wondering what's wrong with her or Elizabeth Dole or even the Senators from Maine that they were passed over for a window-dressing candidate.

When all the excitement is over and everyone gets to say, "Gosh, that ex-beauty queen is pretty in a sexy librarian way," the question will be whether people want a window-dressing candidate backing up a 72-year old president. And what does it say that 24 years after people questioned whether Geraldine Ferraro was qualified to be VP, the GOP goes with someone with so little qualifications beyond being pro-life and an alleged reformer.

Richard Bottoms
August 29, 2008 1:24 PM

I know many of you like to think being the party of torture and architects of a policy that has Afghanistan rebounding as a narco-terrorist state a great platform to run on, but a lot of other people think otherwise. They're called Democrats.

Meanwhile, I doubt Vladimir Putin is worrying too much about facing down the former mayor of mystery, Alaska.

John E. - Agn. Stoic
August 29, 2008 1:25 PM

including little Trig Palin, the Down syndrome baby...

Just as long as it wasn't an Aspergers baby, eh Rod, since you have shown an unfortunate tendency lately to use "Asperger" as an insult.

Just saying...

Simon
August 29, 2008 1:27 PM

Ben thought it was funny that Palin could appeal to both Hillary voters and pro-lifers. But HRC voters aren't the same as the liberal activists of her inner circle. HRC primary voters also included plenty of voters who are in play:

- working class whites who are traditional, loyal Democrats DESPITE the abortion issue;

- women, including some stay at home Moms, who were inspired by HRC's candidacy but don't necessarily share her abortion views;

and the largest category...

- rank and file voters who can't stand Bush but don't like or trust Obama.

Teena H. Blackburn
August 29, 2008 1:27 PM

How is she on the environment? Given the Republican's greedy sights on ANWAR, this would be a huge issue for me. Remember, part of being conservative is thinking some things are worth conserving. I hope she's not the woman who suggested a pipeline would be good for the wildlife-I think it's someone else, and I hope so. If it was her, that remark alone would make her too idiotic to support.

prolife Democrat
August 29, 2008 1:29 PM

I've been watching the campaigns for months with no intention to vote for either side in November. Now, I'm definitely voting...for Palin. I am excited about this election and can't wait to talk to my sister and mom and adult nieces about Palin. (We all voted Obama in the primary but have since become disillusioned with him and annoyed with his supporters' treatment of Mrs. Clinton. His comment about 'guns and religion' was stupid, too.)

My husband is so mad at the Republicans that he'd been planning on voting for a write-in candidate: Ronald Reagan. Now he wants to hear more about this truly conservative, not neo-con, v.p. choice.

Neither my husband nor I will consider voting for McCain, but we could ignore his name on the ballot to vote for Palin.

Sami
August 29, 2008 1:29 PM

I totally agree with the OP -- and thank you for saying it, Crunchy.

AWESOME speech!!! And PUMA is SO excited! We've got our checkbooks out for the first time in this long primary season.

First time for me, to ever support or vote Republican, but I'm proud to do it!

Rick
August 29, 2008 1:31 PM

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How do you figure this? My bet is that if McCain loses, Palin will be tarred with failure and not a player in 2012; as I've posted before, I wonder if Romney might have turned down the offer of being McCain's VP, counting on an Obama win in 2008 and better positioning himself for a presidential bid in 2012.


LeeAnn
August 29, 2008 1:31 PM

Rod, please, "soccer mom" is so '90s! All the cool moms are "hockey moms" now, don't you know?

Being friends with several hockey moms, it is a much tougher image than soccer mom. Soccer mom, to me, connotes Patty Murray's "mom in tennis shoes" running ragged from game to game, at the mercy of her kids' schedules.

Hockey mom, on the other hand, gives me an image of a mom fiercely dedicated to her kids, rooting in the stands--tough, a little more down to earth, a bit blue collar, while worldly wise as well.

No offense to soccer moms. My point is that it's a different image.

Anduril
August 29, 2008 1:33 PM

And what does it say that 24 years after people questioned whether Geraldine Ferraro was qualified to be VP, the GOP goes with someone with so little qualifications beyond being pro-life and an alleged reformer.

Well, that's one up on Obama, at least.

Heather
August 29, 2008 1:35 PM

" Call me a big old sap, but looking at that Palin family, including little Trig Palin, the Down syndrome baby that Sarah Palin could have aborted, but chose to welcome into this world in April, brings me to tears."


I have to say I had the same reaction, Rod. She seems guinely proud of her baby and in our super competitive, achievement oriented culture, she seems totally comfortable showing off a kid who we know is never going to be the top 10% of this or that (that's a message parents of "normal" kids should take to heart).

Rod Dreher
August 29, 2008 1:38 PM

Daniel: I just watched Kay Bailey Hutchinson, 15 years as a U.S. Senator, trying to be excited about someone who two years ago was they mayor of a town of 8500 people. She must be wondering what's wrong with her or Elizabeth Dole or even the Senators from Maine that they were passed over for a window-dressing candidate.

I know your heart is breaking for all those left-out Republican women, Daniel, but surely you know that there was vastly, vastly more political logic in Obama putting Hillary Clinton on his ticket than McCain putting any GOP female senator.

Secondly, Kay Bailey Hutchison actually represents my state in the Senate. I've been at meetings with her. She's not a bad senator, but she would have brought diddly-squat to the national ticket. Zero excitement. She's as old guard as they get. Plus, after the last eight years, putting a Texas Republican on a national Republican ticket would have been suicidal.

Anonymous
August 29, 2008 1:39 PM

McCain, certainly showed that he needed to tap into that "thunder" storm that hit Denver (although without the much prayed for rain, eh?)

He needed to one-up Obama with a little "history."

But will she be his Harriet Miers?

So much bushiness with this McCain.

Simon
August 29, 2008 1:39 PM

Well, it only took Daniel an hour or so to get the far left talking points.

Palin is a real rformer with a genuine record of accomplishments, unlike the marketing phenom that is Barack Obama.

But please -- please! -- keep talking about Governor Palin's lack of foreign policy experience. That argument boils down to this: Experience is a crucial pre-requisite for anyone who wants to be Vice President, but not at all necessary for a President.

Charles Cosimano
August 29, 2008 1:45 PM

Oh heavens, what a pair of VP candidates. One who has had more unsuccessful runs at the Presidency than Harold Stassen and Jesse Jackson combined and the other who is too damned dumb to keep her pill bottles straight.

Whomever wins, I will be sacrificing to the Gods for his continued health.

Karen Brown
August 29, 2008 1:45 PM

This is a bit curious.

I mean, I keep hearing how this will 'stoke the base'. I mean, McCain won the primary, right? He's already the party candidate. Surely, at this point, the issue is not supposed to be 'stoking the base'. It should be getting the independents, even getting a few from the other side to cross over.

If he's still not even sure of his own party's votes, he's got problems Palin won't fix. Because he should already HAVE his base, and he should be trying to pick someone to woo the moderates.

And Simon, this isn't about talking lack of experience on the Democrat side. This is about taking that particular point from the Republican side.

I doubt the Democratic leadership will bother to bring her lack of experience up UNLESS they start talking about Obama's. And yes, she's the bottom of the ticket. But after 8 years of Cheney and the role he took in policy making, and given McCain's age and general health, the Veep may be more than a figurehead sent out to officiate at state funerals, if elected.

Anduril
August 29, 2008 1:52 PM

Because he should already HAVE his base, and he should be trying to pick someone to woo the moderates.

That seems to be a difference this time - he's already got the moderates, and is having to woo the base.

Daniel
August 29, 2008 1:55 PM

"Daniel, but surely you know that there was vastly, vastly more political logic in Obama putting Hillary Clinton on his ticket than McCain putting any GOP female senator."

Unquestionably. But this isn't about Obama, it's about your candidate McCain and his political instincts and decision making. It's a make-or-break pick and people are going to wonder why he bypassed hundreds of more qualified people--heck, there's a female U.S. Senator from Alaska who has more qualifications to be Veep--he went with Palin.

Anonymous
August 29, 2008 1:57 PM

"Whomever wins, I will be sacrificing to the Gods for his continued health."

Abd that will require a lot of sacrificing for the "elder" statesman.

Daniel
August 29, 2008 2:00 PM

Andrew Sullivan explains it better than I do.

Could this be McCain's Miers moment? Some readers think so: the point at which people suddenly realize that McCain is actually less interested in governing than in politics. And willing to let personal liking and respect for utterly unqualified people trump the sober responsibilities of running a country at war, a climate in flux, an economy in trouble, and an empire close to imploding.

On a raw, naked political level, it's a great pick. But when it came down to the candidates making a leadership decision about who can best help lead the country, Obama picked Biden and McCain picked the first-term governor of the 48th largest state in the country.

Anduril
August 29, 2008 2:08 PM

And willing to let personal liking and respect for utterly unqualified people trump the sober responsibilities of running a country at war...

UTTERLY unqualified? C'mon! and since when does the VP (Cheney notwithstanding) run anything?

Allen
August 29, 2008 2:17 PM

When the POTUS is a 72 year old man with a problematic health history? The Veep may wind up running quite a lot.

Susan Davis
August 29, 2008 2:18 PM

"...too dumb to keep her pill bottles straight."
The classiest comment of the day. Sheesh.

L F BIRK
August 29, 2008 2:20 PM

Palin is one cute politician as are most republican women.And smart too!

Anonymous
August 29, 2008 2:23 PM

"Could this be McCain's Miers moment?"

Miers moment, senior moment ...
Although she is hotter than Harriet

... if it looks like bush ...

Lisa
August 29, 2008 2:33 PM

Too bad it's too soon for the sports-loving Palins to get involved in the Special Olympics with little Trig - they might even suborn some Kennedys.

Denton
August 29, 2008 2:37 PM

Daniel: "But this isn't about Obama, it's about your candidate McCain and his political instincts and decision making. It's a make-or-break pick and people are going to wonder why he bypassed hundreds of more qualified people--heck, there's a female U.S. Senator from Alaska who has more qualifications to be Veep--he went with Palin."

Sorry, but as long as you mention experience, it IS about Obama. All of your questions directed towards McCain's choice could also be directed to the Democratic Party about Obama.

Another poster nailed it. If you vote for McCain, there's a chance that a VP with little experience will take over. If you vote for Obama, there is a guarantee that the President will have NO experience.

Jim
August 29, 2008 2:44 PM

Let's just suspend judgment until all of the pictures finally leak out. Gov. Palin is a former beauty queen.

Any guesses on Mr. Putin's thoughts?

Aw
August 29, 2008 3:00 PM

I can't wait for a reporter to ak Gov Palin her views on invertro-fertilization....and eventually they will. You see you cannot be anti-abortion and pro invitro-vertilization where many petri dishes of potential children are flushed everyday. It just becomes hypocritical yet it could lose many votes of the many who choose this path.

Zak
August 29, 2008 3:52 PM

AW,
Germany and Italy have IVF laws that allow it but require that all embryos (usually 2 or 3) be used, so that none are destroyed. That makes it more expensive, but it eliminates the problem from a pro-life perspective (if not necessarily eliminating all bioethical conservatives' objections to IVF).

Lord Karth
August 29, 2008 4:12 PM

Palin isn't a bad pick. Executive experience, pro-life, nice family and all that. The Obama people are going to get hives trying to find a way to mess with her. The VP debate might yet be of some small interest.

I'm still not going to vote for McCain (I'm still deciding between Baldwin and Barr), but in my opinion, he certainly didn't hurt himself.

Your servant,

Lord Karth

Anonymous
August 29, 2008 4:21 PM

there's a female U.S. Senator from Alaska who has more qualifications to be Veep

Daniel, are you even trying to be serious here?

Lisa Murkowski is the daughter and hand-picked successor of the corrupt Frank Murkowski. Her deeply unpopular appointment to the Senate was partly responsible for Palin's stunning upset of Frank in the gubernatorial primary.

The Murkowsis are of a piece with Ted Stevens and Don Young. Pork Barrell establishment Republicans opposed to everything John McCain and Sarah Palin stand for.

One of favorite actions by Governor Palin was when she ended the elder Murkowsi's career, then had the state government sell his opulent jet on ebay.

DonF
August 29, 2008 4:26 PM

"But please -- please! -- keep talking about Governor Palin's lack of foreign policy experience. That argument boils down to this: Experience is a crucial pre-requisite for anyone who wants to be Vice President, but not at all necessary for a President."

Well, if experience is important for someone running for President, then it should also be important for someone running for VP behind a septuagenarian Presidential candidate with undisclosed health issues.

Face it, the GOP just lost one of their biggest weapons against Obama...experience. Every time they mention Obama's experience now people will be wondering, "but what if McCain dies in office?"

I think they may also have lost the Rezko issue as well, especially if the Democrats are successful in tying her to the corruption investigations elsewhere in the Alaskan GOP. Face it, Alaskan GOP politics is starting to look almost as bad as Illinois Democrats. If there are some revelations about Stevens that touch other state officeholders, we might find out that she has an incredibly thin heat shield between her and those she has been allegedly trying to reform.

But she makes for good theater...former beauty queen, nice family, small town roots. Cindy McCain had best be watching her closely.

mark
August 29, 2008 6:30 PM

Sarah supported BUCHANAN after his scarrey Culture warrior speech in 92, and has an ad of Ted Stevens endorsing her. She is a creationist, and denies women the right to an abortion, even for rape and incest victims.
This is ULTRA UBER conservative

stick a fork in her

Daniel
August 29, 2008 6:31 PM

"Daniel, are you even trying to be serious here?"

From an objective, resume perspective, Murkoewski is more qualified. She's been in the Senate for six years, sits on the Foreign Relationship committee, has a graduate degress in Economics and a law degree. Objectively, that's more qualified.

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