Man, she just gets better and better. This from Shelley, a friend I made on my Alaska trip last year; she put this in a combox below: AND SHE HOMESCHOOLS!!!!! Just a few days ago she came into IDEA, Interior...
I like Palin's social conservatism, too, and she seems to be a woman of genuine character. Let's not go overboard just yet: the "crunchy" is just as important as the "con," is it not? Palin is a global-warming skeptic, favors expanded oil extraction top to bottom (including ANWR, pitting her against McCain), and sued the EPA over its declaration that the polar bear was endangered. Admittedly, there are enormous pressures on Alaskan politicians to favor policies like these for pork-barrel reasons. Still . . .
LeeAnn
August 29, 2008 9:55 PM
Woo-hoo! But I wonder how that will work out when the kids have moved into the Naval Observatory or whatever the building is named where the VP lives. Will they still homeschool or go to one of the many private schools in town? The VP doesn't make all that much money, as I recollect. Something that will be interesting to get into, as we get to know Palin better. What kind of income do they have? What kind of financial ties and obligations?
amazona
August 29, 2008 9:57 PM
Homeschool? I don't think so. This is a busy woman unless she hires her own private teacher. I don't care if she does or not but please get a grip. This woman is limited and can not possibly home school, grow her own vegetable, bake bread, make her own clothes and be governor of Alaska. Talk about super woman.
elmo
August 29, 2008 9:57 PM
24 hours ago, I was so dejected thinking about Obama's certain election and wishing I could bring myself to support him but knowing that no matter how thrilled I am for what his nomination means for black Americans in particular and Americans as a whole, I can't support infanticide and partial birth abortion.
Today we get Sarah Palin, prolife, homeschooling, corruption fighting, 21st century Teddy Roosevelt in heels. Man oh man, I must be dreaming! Somebody pinch me.
Rob
August 29, 2008 10:19 PM
OK, elmo, here's a pinch.
She can't be all those things--although I was pleased to see she brought her infant along for the announcement today. But let's not have her charging up San Juan Hill quite yet, OK?
scotch meg
August 29, 2008 10:21 PM
While you couldn't homeschool a first grader as a working mom, you certainly could homeschool a high school student. Especially if you purchase a curriculum from a distance learning institution (AKA "correspondence school") which will critique (assess, grade) your student's work. High school students can do the work on their own, and at least some of them are motivated enough to DO the work.
Or, you know, her husband could supervise...
Florence
August 29, 2008 10:26 PM
Whether she homeschools and bakes bread is just not relevant. Being next in line should something happen to McCain, questions that need to be answered are:
How well is she qualified in the area of foreign policy? Domestic economic issues? Commander in chief?
Since she wasn't out there during the primaries, she has a lot of convincing to do that she is ready to move from the capitol of Alaska to the capitol of the United States. Maybe she can, right now I don't know.
Gruntled
August 29, 2008 10:26 PM
When does a full-time governor, married to a full-time fisherman and oil worker who sometimes works hundreds of miles from home, how can she home-school? And who is carrying for the baby when she is governor, never mind campaigning non-stop all over the lower 48? I think her daughters get to get homeschooled in daycare.
harvey lacey
August 29, 2008 10:33 PM
I can understand Rod's enthusiasm. It's almost like a committee created a wish list of the perfect candidate for their conservative Christian contingent.
Then they searched far and wide. And in the farthest corner of our great land they found him, er, her.
Be careful what you pray for.
Mike F.
August 29, 2008 10:35 PM
A question to you crunchy cons:
Abortion and gay marriage are currently off the national radar in favor of all sorts of less-transcendent meltdowns. I think crunchy cons are just as concerned about economic/energy/defense-related meltdowns as everyone else, and I would hope that you'd agree that these issues pose a much more immediate danger to the nation than abortion and gays.
So assuming that Palin is one of your own, do you push the social conservative issues? Keep in mind that the resulting media circus and national circus in general will probably drain valuable attention and resources from the aforementioned existential-threat-level meltdowns.
An aside: I'm starting to join the ranks of those who want Obama to lose this go-around, just for the entertainment value of watching Mccain stick finger after finger into the rapidly multiplying holes in the dam.
Kathryn
August 29, 2008 10:36 PM
Pinch. Pinch.
Yes, major kudos to her and her husband for bringing their child with Down Syndrome into the circle of their family's love. And homeschooling is fine, too; so is playing on a championship basketball team; so is being nice-looking; so is liking the outdoor life.
But if these are major credentials qualifying a person to be one heartbeat away from the varied and intricate problems, foreign and domestic, presented daily to the President of the United States...gee,
John McC. could just as well have drawn names out of a hat!!!!
Haven't many of this blog's readers been gleefully portraying Obama as simply a celebrity media creation of no real substance? Sarah Palin
could, in fact, be just that.
Steven Donegal
August 29, 2008 10:43 PM
Sarah Palin is a terrific governor of Alaska. Fortunately for all Americans, she will get to retain that job after the November election.
Ben
August 29, 2008 10:50 PM
How well is she qualified in the area of foreign policy? Domestic economic issues? Commander in chief?
But she homeschools!
Anyone else think Rod is going to wake up tomorrow with one massive hangover?
Curmudgeon Geographer
August 29, 2008 10:52 PM
I would think that the executive of the ONLY state to ONLY border foreign nations—Canada and Russia(!)—likely means she is more intimately familiar with foreign affairs then Obama is after all his many aeons in the Senate.
Denton
August 29, 2008 11:03 PM
To All Who Criticize Palin:
Obama is just as inexperienced. What's the difference? Why is your energy focused on Palin, when she's just running for Vice-President?
Michael Swan
August 29, 2008 11:05 PM
All of you who are badmouthing Governor Palin's lack of foreign policy experience are completely missing the point. Palin is a very conservative woman, and a very popular politician. By choosing her for his VP McCain has finally, FINALLY, given conservatives and evangelicals a reason to vote for him. McCain has all the foreign policy experience the ticket needs, and Palin will bring in enough additional voters to bury Obambi and the king of hair plugs.
mdavid
August 29, 2008 11:07 PM
Yeah, she's perfect. We are in the IDEA program too...these schooling programs pay for a parent's educational costs to homeschool (about $2k/kid). Most importantly, hese programs really cut into the schools and are helping to undercut the power of the school's unions.
Funny: this year we started calling her "Aunt Sarah" when she gave away another $1200/person his year...that means the state gave away more than $3200 per person - man, woman, child - in 2008. For my family, that's $26,000 free money in one year. Who knows what next year brings. This is the new conservative way: give government money direct to the people and cut the budget - bypass all the government handouts and watch the unions weep and liberal pols cry (all those government supporters who get their political power from government handouts). All that money given away came out of the fat-cat schools, unions, government corruption.
Also, don't underestimate Palin in debates, unless the big-time-national-level hurts her confidence and style. I once watched her woman-handle two agressive male debaters once...they never knew what hit 'em. It's hard for a man to debate a woman who won't get in the gutter, and knows how to act like a lady; makes you look bad, like a bully. Hillary is offensive to most men's eyes, but Palin makes liking her easy on camera.
Alan
August 29, 2008 11:17 PM
Mike F. -
"I would hope that you'd agree that these issues pose a much more immediate danger to the nation than abortion and gays."
To the unborn child, nothing poses a more immediate danger than abortion.
Over one million people a year are being murdered by abortion.
Is this not an existential level threat?
Charles Curtis
August 29, 2008 11:18 PM
The thing is that given how poorly our leadership class has performed these last thirty or so years, you could probably do no worse pulling names from a hat. Like W.F. Buckley said, just pick up the phone book.
The coming meltdown- if it comes- will be the fault of the Democrats, too. They control Congress. They're also beholden to K Street corporate interests. They support the War, NAFTA, etc. They have not stopped (in fact have largely supported) things like Guantanamo Eternal, the Patriot Act, external rendition, torture, and arresting (and torturing) American citizens like Jose Padillo without any form of due process. Note that Jose Padillo could hypothetically be any one of us.
Clinton lobbed bombs indiscriminately, Obama promises us invasions of Iran and Pakistan.
The Banks melt down and their speculative debt is accepted by a Democratic Congress, the deficits (budgetary and trade) blossom, our industrial and agricultural base has been fully eviscerated, and the Democrats from Clinto to Obama all do nothing or support it all with relish.
Our gathering national travesty is not simply a Republican disaster. We're all complicit.
So do not pretend that Obama and Company are somehow existentially separate and superior to the Republicans. It's a matter of rather slight degree (they'll oppose repealing capital gains taxes, yippee kay yay, mo fo!), not kind.
The Political establishment on both sides is largely on the same page. And of the same cloth. Upper class, ivy leauge establishment.
Sarah Palin, and her husband, are of a different breed. His job, their last, and fifth, child put them in another universe than any other of the three major candidates. Salt of the Earth.
And note this: the abortion issue is not minor. Internationally, it is going to be decisive. We're short almost 50 million citizens. The Indians and Chinese have slaughtered over 100 million girls (in favor of boys) in the last ten years. That number will climb, and this deficit will have profound consequences.
Abortion, aside from being one of the greatest slaughters in human history, could very well create the conditions for massive global conflict.
Electing Sarah Palin will do little to nothinbg to stop this dynamic. Nor will it have much effect on Global Warming, which is something the Democrats will not effectively be able to stop, either.
Personally, however, I think symbols matter.. And the radical assertion of human personhood that we pro-lifers stand for is the only coherent position. In spiritual terms, it matters. Which in the end may be the only thing we have left.
Which is why I will very likely vote for her.
DonF
August 29, 2008 11:21 PM
Careful, Rod, lest you get caught with a hangover.
www.adn.com/monegan/story/478090.html
"Palin abruptly fired Monegan on July 11 and later explained she wanted to take the Department of Public Safety in a different, more energetic direction. She replaced him with Chuck Kopp, the former Kenai police chief. But Kopp resigned Friday over questions about a reprimand he received after a sexual harassment complaint lodged against him in Kenai.
The Legislative Council is a panel of lawmakers who tend to legislative business when lawmakers are not meeting in regular session.
On Monday, the council voted 12-0 to spend up to $100,000 "to investigate the circumstances and events surrounding the termination of former Public Safety Commissioner Monegan, and potential abuses of power and/or improper actions by members of the executive branch."
Why am I hearing the name "Thomas Eagleton" in the background here? Ah...it's probably nothing at all, just an echo.
DonF
August 29, 2008 11:29 PM
Rod...about that hangover...
www.ktva.com/commissionercontroversy/ci_10195264
"She admitted a member of her administration had made calls that could be perceived as pressure. On Wednesday afternoon Governor Palin released a recording of a phone call that she says she was just made aware of.
"I do now have to tell Alaskans that such pressure could have been perceived to exist. Although I have only now became aware of it, the serial nature of the contacts understandably could be perceived as some kind of pressure, presumably at my direction. Because namely, specifically, most disturbing, is a telephone recording apparently made by the troopers and preserved documenting a call that was placed to the Dept. of Public Safety manager by my boards and commissioners director Frank Bailey."
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Tapes?
John S.
August 29, 2008 11:35 PM
According to this article, Rod, Palin's kids attend public schools:
She is the mother of four. Her oldest, son Track, is attending high school and playing hockey in Michigan this year. Daughters Bristol, Willow and Piper attend Wasilla public schools.
Apparently her older daughter was out of school for much of Palin's pregnancy, but beyond that, nothing doing on this front.
steve
August 29, 2008 11:52 PM
Rod is acting like a giddy middle school girl! She home schools, is pro life, and thus she is now qualified to be Vice President of the USA.
I highly suspect we will see the Christian Right come out in full force support now. Which is likely why McCain picked her. I would almost place a bet that his pick of her was a back room deal, likely made with Dobson and Richard Land, to get their support and backing. A Mormon pick was too risky for the Christian right to support, although that Dobson personally would have preferred Romney. Rod is falling head over heals into their agenda. No more crunchy con for Rod- you are turing out to be just another loyal foot soldier for Dobson.Think critically!
DonF
August 29, 2008 11:58 PM
Todd Palin sounds like a man cut from the same cloth as Hillary.
www.andrewhalcro.com/shadow_governor
"Last month, a group of Alaskans filed a freedom of information act for emails sent from the computers of both Frank Bailey and Ivey Frye. Along with several boxes of documents, they received a cover letter along with 78 pages detailing the emails that were not released due to "Deliberative Process and Executive Privilege". (Privilege log attached)
Page 1 of the list showed seven emails from both Governor Sarah Palin and Lt. Governor Sean Parnell within a three hour time frame on Feburary 1, 2008 that were described as "Email re Andrew Halcro".
The serious concern about these emails is that they were prohibited from being released to the public due to executive privilege, even though Todd Palin was copied on these same emails.
Todd Palin is not a member of the executive branch, nor is he even a government employee. Todd Palin is a member of the general public.
So why in the world is Todd Palin getting copied on emails that his wife's administration is classifying as confidential? "
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Maybe we are getting a two-for-one deal here, Rod, just like Hil & Bill?
Mike F.
August 30, 2008 12:03 AM
To the unborn child, nothing poses a more immediate danger than abortion. Over one million people a year are being murdered by abortion.
Is this not an existential level threat?
Even if I were to accept your premise of abortion = murder (which I do not) then this still would pose no existential threat to the nation. America's population is actually growing... and if not for the population argument, please explain how the continuing existence of our nation is threatened by the practice of abortion?
Existential threats to our nation are not terribly hard to find or fathom at the moment, lets not add imaginary ones.
DonF
August 30, 2008 12:20 AM
"Apparently her older daughter was out of school for much of Palin's pregnancy, but beyond that, nothing doing on this front."
According to the family it was an extended case of mono. Poor kid...mono is not fun under normal circumstances. But to have it for that long...wow.
John M.
August 30, 2008 12:27 AM
Most of this discussion seems a tad ridiculous. Homeschooling does nothing for me as a voter, as most families will NEVER have the luxury of opting out of public schools for their kids.
And this governor is supposedly qualified in foriegn affairs because she lives right next door to Canada and Russia? You can't be serious.
She is McCain's Hail Mary pass, and it looks like a fumble to me.
John E. - Agn. Stoic
August 30, 2008 12:28 AM
Rod is acting like a giddy middle school girl!
Posted by: steve | August 29, 2008 11:52 PM
Wouldn't be the first time I've seen that in this election cycle. Ron Paul, Huckabee, even Romney for a bit.
Thomas R
August 30, 2008 12:37 AM
"She IS a Crunchy Con. She embodies every value in the book!"
Well this is the first thing that starts to give me some serious concern. I find your views interesting, but I don't want all of them to be mainstream in conservatism. Some of them are good, but some of are off the charts ludicrous or unrealistic.
Specific to home schooling I'm a bit ambivalent on it. I think it's a good choice for some families and some kids, but I don't think it's ideal. For me it's what you do when the schools stink or your kid is in some way different so needs special attention. Private school I'm for in more wide cases, but I've seen home schooling fail too much to be impressed. Sometimes the parent is an incompetent teacher, but other times they create a child who's overly narrow and sheltered. And sometimes it works wonderfully, but it's not the ideal in my mind.
Charles Curtis
August 30, 2008 12:45 AM
I'll just repeat this, succinctly, for Mike F. and anyone else who isn't paying attention:
Internationally, the abortion regime is butchering hundreds of millions more girls than boys. This imbalance will likely lead to catastrophe, as great as any climate change consequence.
As for the personhood of the human fetus, it has to be radical. To pretend that it is bestowed only when the baby passes through the cervix, is arbitrary.
Utterly arbitrary.
It is to suppose that our personhood is mere philosophical and legal fiction, not inherent to us ontologically.
This to ultimately denude all of us, not just the fetus, of human rights.
It will lead to bloodshed.
Bloodshed beyond the womb, that is. We corrupt our sense of the radical sacredness of all human life (even the unseen, the weak and powerless, such as the fetus) at our extreme peril.
Know this, know it well: Personhood is a theological truth, rooted in the personhood of God.
Denying this, we deny the dignity our very selves. Losing this sense of the radical sacredness of human life, no matter what the form, is no trivial thing.
It will lead to massive tragedy.
You've been warned. Here, yet again.
Rob
August 30, 2008 1:19 AM
"This to ultimately denude all of us, not just the fetus, of human rights.
It will lead to bloodshed.
Bloodshed beyond the womb, that is."
Charles Curtis, there's been plenty of bloodshed beyond the womb for millenia now. And personhood has been under from various forms of attack just as long. But it is in the power of individuals to affirm personhood regardless of what the state does, and the United States is relatively benign compared to many other regimes throughout history. People who claim to be pro-life have framed the debate in terms of legalities for far too long. We don't have to wait on laws to change to support mothers. We do have to support mothers.
AML
August 30, 2008 1:35 AM
Thomas: Specific to home schooling I'm a bit ambivalent on it. I think it's a good choice for some families and some kids, but I don't think it's ideal. For me it's what you do when the schools stink or your kid is in some way different so needs special attention... Sometimes the parent is an incompetent teacher, but other times they create a child who's overly narrow and sheltered. And sometimes it works wonderfully, but it's not the ideal in my mind.
Certainly it is not for everybody. It takes a lot of dedication of at least one parent,
However, many people do it in order to give their children a superior academic education, far better than public schools and far less expensive than many private schools, or to avoid the progressive and experimental ideals that have crept into the public schools. And it takes less than half the time to cover the same material,leaving plenty of time for artistic, athletic or other pursuits. It is particularly suitable for young actors, sports competitors or traveling families (such as a candidate mom on the campaign trail).
Far from being sheltered and narrow, I have found these kids able to relate to and converse with people of all ages, while publicly schooled kids are locked into age groups and find it hard to "see" anyone but their own peers.
Rod Dreher
August 30, 2008 1:37 AM
Wouldn't be the first time I've seen that in this election cycle. Ron Paul, Huckabee, even Romney for a bit.
Romney? Please. Never once was I interested in him. I did like Paul, but yes, I was as giddy as a schoolgirl over Huck.
Look, my Palin crush will subside. If she turns out to be Dan Quayle or Harriet Miers, we'll know real soon. And if not, well, hooray, we have a new star on the Right. I've just been angry and miserable about the Republicans for so long, I've got to have a day to feel good. This too shall pass, no doubt. I am Derbyshirian, as you know.
I know we're voting for the president, not vice president. If I vote for McCain, it will be holding my nose, and because I want Sarah Palin to become important to national politics. She's the kind of Republican I like. I don't think either Obama or McCain comes close to offering the kind of change the nation needs. Four years of Sarah Palin in the vice president's office, and she'd be something else. And if not, hell, Palin-Jindal 2012.
Erin Manning
August 30, 2008 2:03 AM
"I know we're voting for the president, not vice president."
True, Rod. And that's why I have to wonder why even on the right some are attacking Palin's lack of experience. Obama has been a community organizer, an Illinois State Senator for seven years, and the junior United States Senator since January of 2005. How is he more prepared to be president than Palin is to be vice president?
The election has gotten more interesting with the Palin pick, especially from the conservative perspective. The GOP convention is going to be a lot more fun than if Romney had been the veep choice.
Charles Cosimano
August 30, 2008 2:56 AM
Ok, I'll say that Palin makes my hair stand on end and for the first time I'm actually thinking of voting for Obama! (It will pass, such things always do.)
But even if they get elected, she'll just be the screeching VP that will end up as joke fodder like Dan Quayle simply because that is what happens to vice presidents. She will have no impact on legislation for at least two years because Congress won't care what she says and the Senate is going to be so pro-choice that no pro-life justice is even going to get a hearing, much less be confirmed.
And let us be honest, the last Vice President that took over had lots of experience in government, Lyndon Johnson and look at the disaster he turned out to be so lack of experience really does not matter very much.
JamesM
August 30, 2008 3:49 AM
Wow, Rod, you're really scraping the bottom of barrel to find something to bolster Palin's scant credentials. Keep trying-- you gotta energize that base. That homeschooling will really go a long way when she's in a serious tete-a-tete with world leaders.
Thomas R
August 30, 2008 4:17 AM
"Obama has been a community organizer, an Illinois State Senator for seven years, and the junior United States Senator since January of 2005. How is he more prepared to be president than Palin is to be vice president?" by Erin Manning
TR: The Senate is a national office, I'll give him that. As a Presidential candidate I really don't think Palin is quite prepared.
And oddly this is what the argument has been in a way. The assumption is he's going to die or go into dementia very soon, as early as 2009 going by even some critical conservative sites. Therefore she is the Republican choice for President of the United States. If this were the situation I think concerns would not be unreasonable. I just don't think this is the situation. In our era wealthy men who live to 72 have a good shot of being healthy at 76. Even average men do. Still it's what they're going on.
The other I'm seeing is that Illinois is a big state. It's got more people. It's more civilized, urbane, and just better than podunk Alaska. It's like electing that conservative red-haired teacher from "Northern Exposure" to the Vice Presidency, it looks crazy to them.
spider
August 30, 2008 10:16 AM
Yes wealthy men live pretty long but you have to remember McCain was tortured and starved as a POW for years, that would put mileage on you. He has had melanomas and a recent study shows skin cancers make it more likely to have other cancers.
Aside from the ongoing investigation on Palin (fired somebody who would not fire her sister's ex-husband) you have to wonder about her credentials to lead the nation as a whole. For her, gun control means prohibiting Native Americans from hunting in Glacier Bay; for the rest of the country, it means whether mentally ill people can buy guns and shoot up a college campus or whether inner-city gang members need machine guns.
Houghton
August 30, 2008 10:20 AM
To those who keep bringing up "troopergate" please, please, please keep talking about this. Wiser heads within the DNC are already backing off, and Olbermann candidly admitted last night it was a "nonstarter." Why, because of the boomerang effect I've already noted. The more you talk about it, the more Americans will like her. The scumbag brother-in-law was tasering his son, making death threats, etc. He was a scumbag. He needed to be fired, and the commissioner wouldn't do it. Average voters aren't going to groove into the details of this; they'll just come away with a top-of-mind impression that she stood up for her sister and sister's kids against an abusing scumbag bully. And that's what you'll look like, too, if you keep bringing it up. So please keep talking it up.
John E. - Agn. Stoic
August 30, 2008 10:27 AM
...but you have to remember McCain was tortured and starved as a POW for years...
Posted by: spider | August 30, 2008 10:15 AM
Jeeze, how could we forget seeing as how McCain brings it up all the time?
Loudon is a Fool
August 30, 2008 10:51 AM
Who issues the Dem's talking points and how do you receive them? I must say they have a fine distribution system. No foreign policy experience, she hates polar bears, she tried to get her corrupt scumbag tasering brother in law dismissed because he wasn't fit to serve as a state trooper, after she kills all the polar bears she's going to drill for oil in their polar bear dens, oh, and did I mention that she doesn't have foreign policy experience? Either way, I hope DonF's kids never get out of line, because evidently he thinks the taser is an appropriate tool of discipline.
In an effort to play the wedge politics they say they abhor I have also been seeing increased discussion of machine guns. BO mentioned the other evening his concern about AKs in the hands of the criminal class who turn to guns out of desperation that the federal government has not yet made their kids smart and beautiful and anger that the entrepreneurial class only pays federal income taxes at a 35% marginal rate. Similarly spider notes above that inner-city gang members are buying machine guns, presumably to defend polar bears and scumbag tasering brother in laws from Gov. Palin.
Has the law changed recently? Can I now buy a tommy gun at Wal-Mart? That would be sweet to defend myself from the coming Chinese drones, but somehow I don't think it's the case.
MH
August 30, 2008 10:54 AM
Charles, the last VP that took over was Gerald Ford, not Lyndon Johnson. However, you may have been talking about due to death.
Thomas R, I'm glad to see someone else question home schooling. I'm not against it, but I don't think it is inherently good either. But there seems to a be a dogma that it is always better rather than measuring the relative merits of the individual situation.
steve
August 30, 2008 12:58 PM
mdavid-The new conservative way is to tax oil companies and give the money to the people? Really? Oops, lots of that money comes from me to you also. Alaska receives twice as much federal tax money as it pays in. How exactly are conservatives going to implement this plan for the rest of the country?
Steve
Gina
August 30, 2008 1:06 PM
BREAK THE GLASS CEILING !!!
WOW ... What a great pick!!! America should elect
McCain & Palin for the Whitehouse in November,
for a return to wholesome American values.
An experienced Governor for V.P. vs. a
community organizer for President ... I pick Palin.
No Wright, no Farrakahn, no Ayers, no Rezko,
no mean Michelle, NOBAMA
Erin Manning
August 30, 2008 1:19 PM
TR: "The other I'm seeing is that Illinois is a big state. It's got more people. It's more civilized, urbane, and just better than podunk Alaska. It's like electing that conservative red-haired teacher from "Northern Exposure" to the Vice Presidency, it looks crazy to them."
I'd love to have a chat with whomever thinks this. I'm from Illinois originally, and still have extended family in the area. Illinois isn't exactly urbane, and Chicago as a city is hardly an enlightened beacon on a hill. In fact, if there was more attention paid to the reality that a Chicago "community organizer" is generally following in the Saul Alinsky pattern of community shake-down-ism with a strong Marxist/revolutionary philosophical backdrop, I doubt Obama would keep mentioning it as a point in his favor.
Athelstane
August 30, 2008 1:26 PM
"For her, gun control means prohibiting Native Americans from hunting in Glacier Bay; for the rest of the country, it means whether mentally ill people can buy guns and shoot up a college campus or whether inner-city gang members need machine guns."
Gun control also means whether I get to defend myself from those whackos, who usually do not have their guns legally anyway.
The gun control moment is over. It loses elections. Deal with it.
mdavid
August 30, 2008 5:46 PM
steve, Alaska receives twice as much federal tax money as it pays in. How exactly are conservatives going to implement this plan for the rest of the country?
Alaska gets so much federal money to manage land owned by the Feds. We don't personally get the money, federal agencies do. The feds decide how they want to spend their money, not the state. This was part of the deal with the Feds stealing all the land from the state back when we entered the union (things like ANWR). We would gladly take back our land and let you keep your money.
The federal money that comes into AK goes to public institutions - you know, the ones liberals support. Personally, I say cut it all - the state would do just fine if we got the feds out. Well, a lot of money comes from the military, and that's fine.
State money is what Palin plays with. She tries to keep greedy liberal hands off the pot (goverment spenders who hold political power by giving money to teacher's unions, state agencies, and the like)...giving it away directly to the citizens (this is revenue that comes directly from resources...resources that belong to the people...not taxes). It's great policy - conservative, cuts out the middleman and lets the citizens spend their money directly. Libs, otoh, want to take the state's resource money and use it for their political power.
Thomas R
August 31, 2008 4:46 AM
MH there is a bit of a home-schooling group where I live and my oldest brother tried it for a time.
In my oldest brothers case it was kind of a disaster. Neither of them have any real education experience and his wife is kind-of high strung. They ended up going for a monastic school instead. I think the monks did good by them from what I can tell.
In other cases I've seen it's mixed. A girl her works at the convenience store was home-schooled. They say she's kind and fairly intelligent, but she's also very gullible in a way. I don't know how to explain this but she's one of the few girls I've heard of who seems to dress provocatively out of complete innocence rather than to be provocative. Going shirtless in the Summer is comfortable and although I don't think she goes that far I gather it's something like that. Like she just thinks "this is comfortable and I like the color" without knowing what it looks like to society. (In fairness there's something sad, if this is really the situation, that her perfectly innocent clothing choices causes her to be judged like that) She's almost like one of those American Indians you read about in old sentimentalized novels, or maybe the Amish, who just has her own way of doing things and sometimes doesn't assimilate well into our world. Other cases I've seen the parents are fanatics of some kind and the child rebels in a big way. However I'm not blaming that on home-schooling, or not on it alone, because I think they're rebelling more because of their parents generalized fanaticism. (To give you a sense of what I mean one of them didn't want her kid to learn Japanese because "The Japanese are Communists." And yes I know the Japanese are certainly not Communist along with other things wrong with that view)
The case I know of where it really worked both parents had education experience and they lived in a big city. The kid could meet all kinds of different people on trips to different parts of town and they had the skills to be teachers. Likewise the actual school system was untrustworthy or negative.
stay at home mom of 3
August 31, 2008 11:49 AM
Experienced Governor? "No Wright no Farrakahn" how about no racism? As a Christian, stay at home mom of 3 and registered nurse (when I was paid to work) I'm insulted by this choice. She's a great female example BUT not this year, maybe in the future when she's more experienced. McCain thought he could get Hillary supporters and working class by this choice because if you look at his past choices he is not for family values-he didn't value his first wife and family.
Kathy from Kansas
August 31, 2008 2:45 PM
Re: Mike F's comments (tenth down from the top): I don't agree with you at all that abortion is not one of the key, front-burner issues in this campaign. Why do you think there's been so much fireworks around Barack Obama having been the single vocal and vehement opponent of the Born Alive Infant Protection legislation in the Illinois Senate? Meaning, of course, that he's IN FAVOR of killing (by withholding of food and medical care) babies BORN ALIVE after SURVIVING late-term abortions. Many of these babies are Down Syndrome babies, since 90% of pregnant women given a Down Syndrome prognosis are aborting their little ones. Indeed, the courageous nurse, Jill Stanek, who testified both in Illinois and in Washington DC about widespread infanticide, described how she got involved in this issue after cradling a Down Syndrome infant who'd been left to die in the medical waste disposal room. Surely anyone can see the incredible juxtaposition between Obama, who believes in killing Down Syndrome babies (and any other babies whose mothers reject them)--while Sarah Palin welcomed her own Down Syndrome baby as a precious gift from God?
I honestly believe the hand of God is in this election, and nothing makes that more obvious than this glaringly obvious juxtaposition of Barack Obama, the man who opposed baby-protecting legislation that EVEN Barbara Boxer and Hillary Clinton supported, against Sarah Palin, who never for a moment considered "getting rid of" an "inconvenient," handicapped baby.
Anonymous
August 31, 2008 8:48 PM
In my circle of friends, there's a group of women who homeschool their kids, and they're not impressed by Palin. In fact, they find her kind of insulting to the life they've chosen.
For one thing, my friends think childrearing is a worthwhile job all on its own, without having to "prove" themselves by killing a moose, frying it up in a pan, and maintaining beauty pageant good looks--as well as becoming Vice President of the United States.
Linda
August 31, 2008 9:02 PM
In my circle of friends, there's a group of women who homeschool their kids, and they're not impressed by Palin. In fact, they find her story something of an insult to the life they've chosen.
For one thing, my friends think childrearing is a worthwhile job all on its own, without having to "prove" themselves by killing a moose, frying it up in a pan, all the while maintaining beauty pageant good looks while holding down a demanding job.
Maybe my friends are just lazy, but they're pushing their husbands' companies to offer parental leave for men as well as women, so the guys can share in the pleasure of raising the babies.
Sarah Palin's youngest child was born just four months ago. Not one of my friends can imagine trading time away from a baby that young for the whirlwind of the campaign trail. A baby's first year goes by too fast as it is.
wgadget
September 1, 2008 12:05 AM
AHHHHHHH....It's all becoming very clear WHY she "homeschools."
Amidst all the furor over the maternity of Sarah Palin's youngest child, it's become easy to put 2 and 2 together, so to speak.
She went in to sign up for Distance Education because her eldest daughter had "mono," keeping her out of school for five months of the school year.
Hmmmmmmmmmm......
lynn
September 1, 2008 1:27 AM
I was curious about who is taking care of the kids after Trig was born and then I found this video, from when Bristol was five. Not the supportive first man we are looking for; he is threatened by her good fortune. Also note that she ran for city council to get health insurance.
I love that they’re trying to bury the story that her 17-year old daughter is pregnant under all the news about Hurricane Gustav.
Maybe if Palin and the Christian Conservatives who run the Republican party would support the teaching of sex education in schools rather than preaching head-in-the-sand abstinence programs, they wouldn’t be in this situation!
Few things make me happier when news comes out that religious zealots have to face public scrutiny when they find out:
1) Their teen-age kid is knocked up
2) Their kid is a drug addict / drug-dealer
3) Their kid is gay (not that this has anything to do with their parenting – but how do they explain their child being damned to hell for such sinful perversion?!)
ElleninBigD
September 1, 2008 7:29 PM
If she really did stay home and home-school her kids, then where were she and Todd when Bristol became pregnant? There is no way she could stay home, home shool her kids, be a full time mother with five kids and be the governor of Alaska. Somewhere along the line she had to either hire people to take care of her kids or Todd had to stay home with them. She's from Wasilla. The capital of Alaska is Juneau. It's not an easy trek from Wasilla to Juneau. My daughter lived in the Palmer/Wasilla area for 4 yrs. I went there. If Palin really is a woman of faith, then her place is in the home with her five kids and her husband. HE should be the one out there making a living not her (and he shouldn't be sitting in on her meetings as governor).
Care
September 2, 2008 12:29 AM
First of all... that videospider video looked like it was some actor, not Todd Palin.
Then... I'm a homeschooling Mom of 3. But... just because I feel that I'm doing what God has called me to do for myself and my family doesn't mean that Sarah Palin hasn't been called to something different. Being called to politics does not mean she is not a woman of faith. A woman does not HAVE to stay home to be a good Christian and a woman of faith. The Bible is full of women who were called to be leaders and do more than just stay home... just look at Proverbs 31 and Judges.
Helen
September 2, 2008 1:01 PM
I have had homeschoolers for neighbors and Pentecostals for in-laws. God bless America that supports public schools and freedom of religion.
stay at home mom of 3
September 2, 2008 4:25 PM
I take back my statements above. I DO NOT think she is a good example for women, she obviously is very power-hungry if she chose to run for VP knowing her teen daughter is pregnant and the press would be all over her. What kind of mother is that? And don't pull the feminist (you wouldn't say that to a man thing-I'm a feminist!) thing-since when does that party care about women's rights? There are pictures of her now-pregnant daughter drinking/pics with friends and alcohol all over the internet. This woman has famiy values???? She's an insult to all competent, organized, SUCCESSFUL working mothers. Call me judgemental (but she's the one saying no to sex education in the schools) but you know you are low class when you're child and grandchild are the same age!!!!!!!!!!!
Virginia
September 2, 2008 9:38 PM
I'm sorry but that's a hateful thing to say sahm of 3. My husband has a grandchild 4 months older than our current youngest (19 mo) and we're pretty sure that there is another on the way that yould be 32 mo younger than the grandson. It's possible to have grandchildren and shildren of the same age without committing any transgressions (socially or religiously).
I agree with Virginia...
September 4, 2008 3:42 AM
One of my dearest friends is the eldest of 12 children. Her youngest brother is a month or so older than her son...She and her mother were pregnant at the same time (of course, my friend was married too, unlike palin's daughter)
Are we to attack Sarah Palin just because her daughter made a major mistake? Praise God that she is keeping the baby! Praise God for choosing life!
Do the Math
September 5, 2008 11:02 AM
Stay at home mom of 3 wrote: “but you know you are low class when you're child and grandchild are the same age!!!!!!!!!!!”
Dear “Stay at home mom of 3,”
First, thank you for caring about your family enough to stay at home and care for them…helping to build a stronger America.
Second, I must take issue with your ad hominem attack against Gov. Palin and her daughter. My wife and I married after completing our undergrad degrees and had a child right away. It just so happens that my wife’s parents did the same thing back 22 years ago. Hmm…do the math, it’s not that uncommon for a 45-46 year old to have a child. Yes, that means my child could have an Uncle or Aunt that is younger than him. Low class? I don’t think so.
Holly
September 6, 2008 10:51 PM
SAHM of 3: You're mean. Don't teach your kids to call people low class. That might make people think all stay at home moms are snits.
Another stay at home mom of 3 (but a nice one who doesn't call people low class)
Georgia Harbeck
September 7, 2008 6:11 PM
Homeschooling????? My fat butt.... just trying to keep her very sexually active Willow and Bristol out of the public eye. Better to accept all the hype.
I'd call her a Pitbull in lipstick - - - but pitbulls take far better CARE of their pups...
Travesty to have this 'MOTHER' set as the paragon of the Republican Party.
Georgia
September 7, 2008 6:12 PM
Homeschooling????? My fat butt.... just trying to keep her very sexually active Willow and Bristol out of the public eye. Better to accept all the hype.
I'd call her a Pitbull in lipstick - - - but pitbulls take far better CARE of their pups...
Travesty to have this 'MOTHER' set as the paragon of the Republican Party.
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I like Palin's social conservatism, too, and she seems to be a woman of genuine character. Let's not go overboard just yet: the "crunchy" is just as important as the "con," is it not? Palin is a global-warming skeptic, favors expanded oil extraction top to bottom (including ANWR, pitting her against McCain), and sued the EPA over its declaration that the polar bear was endangered. Admittedly, there are enormous pressures on Alaskan politicians to favor policies like these for pork-barrel reasons. Still . . .
Woo-hoo! But I wonder how that will work out when the kids have moved into the Naval Observatory or whatever the building is named where the VP lives. Will they still homeschool or go to one of the many private schools in town? The VP doesn't make all that much money, as I recollect. Something that will be interesting to get into, as we get to know Palin better. What kind of income do they have? What kind of financial ties and obligations?
Homeschool? I don't think so. This is a busy woman unless she hires her own private teacher. I don't care if she does or not but please get a grip. This woman is limited and can not possibly home school, grow her own vegetable, bake bread, make her own clothes and be governor of Alaska. Talk about super woman.
24 hours ago, I was so dejected thinking about Obama's certain election and wishing I could bring myself to support him but knowing that no matter how thrilled I am for what his nomination means for black Americans in particular and Americans as a whole, I can't support infanticide and partial birth abortion.
Today we get Sarah Palin, prolife, homeschooling, corruption fighting, 21st century Teddy Roosevelt in heels. Man oh man, I must be dreaming! Somebody pinch me.
OK, elmo, here's a pinch.
She can't be all those things--although I was pleased to see she brought her infant along for the announcement today. But let's not have her charging up San Juan Hill quite yet, OK?
While you couldn't homeschool a first grader as a working mom, you certainly could homeschool a high school student. Especially if you purchase a curriculum from a distance learning institution (AKA "correspondence school") which will critique (assess, grade) your student's work. High school students can do the work on their own, and at least some of them are motivated enough to DO the work.
Or, you know, her husband could supervise...
Whether she homeschools and bakes bread is just not relevant. Being next in line should something happen to McCain, questions that need to be answered are:
How well is she qualified in the area of foreign policy? Domestic economic issues? Commander in chief?
Since she wasn't out there during the primaries, she has a lot of convincing to do that she is ready to move from the capitol of Alaska to the capitol of the United States. Maybe she can, right now I don't know.
When does a full-time governor, married to a full-time fisherman and oil worker who sometimes works hundreds of miles from home, how can she home-school? And who is carrying for the baby when she is governor, never mind campaigning non-stop all over the lower 48? I think her daughters get to get homeschooled in daycare.
I can understand Rod's enthusiasm. It's almost like a committee created a wish list of the perfect candidate for their conservative Christian contingent.
Then they searched far and wide. And in the farthest corner of our great land they found him, er, her.
Be careful what you pray for.
A question to you crunchy cons:
Abortion and gay marriage are currently off the national radar in favor of all sorts of less-transcendent meltdowns. I think crunchy cons are just as concerned about economic/energy/defense-related meltdowns as everyone else, and I would hope that you'd agree that these issues pose a much more immediate danger to the nation than abortion and gays.
So assuming that Palin is one of your own, do you push the social conservative issues? Keep in mind that the resulting media circus and national circus in general will probably drain valuable attention and resources from the aforementioned existential-threat-level meltdowns.
An aside: I'm starting to join the ranks of those who want Obama to lose this go-around, just for the entertainment value of watching Mccain stick finger after finger into the rapidly multiplying holes in the dam.
Pinch. Pinch.
Yes, major kudos to her and her husband for bringing their child with Down Syndrome into the circle of their family's love. And homeschooling is fine, too; so is playing on a championship basketball team; so is being nice-looking; so is liking the outdoor life.
But if these are major credentials qualifying a person to be one heartbeat away from the varied and intricate problems, foreign and domestic, presented daily to the President of the United States...gee,
John McC. could just as well have drawn names out of a hat!!!!
Haven't many of this blog's readers been gleefully portraying Obama as simply a celebrity media creation of no real substance? Sarah Palin
could, in fact, be just that.
Sarah Palin is a terrific governor of Alaska. Fortunately for all Americans, she will get to retain that job after the November election.
How well is she qualified in the area of foreign policy? Domestic economic issues? Commander in chief?
But she homeschools!
Anyone else think Rod is going to wake up tomorrow with one massive hangover?
I would think that the executive of the ONLY state to ONLY border foreign nations—Canada and Russia(!)—likely means she is more intimately familiar with foreign affairs then Obama is after all his many aeons in the Senate.
To All Who Criticize Palin:
Obama is just as inexperienced. What's the difference? Why is your energy focused on Palin, when she's just running for Vice-President?
All of you who are badmouthing Governor Palin's lack of foreign policy experience are completely missing the point. Palin is a very conservative woman, and a very popular politician. By choosing her for his VP McCain has finally, FINALLY, given conservatives and evangelicals a reason to vote for him. McCain has all the foreign policy experience the ticket needs, and Palin will bring in enough additional voters to bury Obambi and the king of hair plugs.
Yeah, she's perfect. We are in the IDEA program too...these schooling programs pay for a parent's educational costs to homeschool (about $2k/kid). Most importantly, hese programs really cut into the schools and are helping to undercut the power of the school's unions.
Funny: this year we started calling her "Aunt Sarah" when she gave away another $1200/person his year...that means the state gave away more than $3200 per person - man, woman, child - in 2008. For my family, that's $26,000 free money in one year. Who knows what next year brings. This is the new conservative way: give government money direct to the people and cut the budget - bypass all the government handouts and watch the unions weep and liberal pols cry (all those government supporters who get their political power from government handouts). All that money given away came out of the fat-cat schools, unions, government corruption.
Also, don't underestimate Palin in debates, unless the big-time-national-level hurts her confidence and style. I once watched her woman-handle two agressive male debaters once...they never knew what hit 'em. It's hard for a man to debate a woman who won't get in the gutter, and knows how to act like a lady; makes you look bad, like a bully. Hillary is offensive to most men's eyes, but Palin makes liking her easy on camera.
Mike F. -
"I would hope that you'd agree that these issues pose a much more immediate danger to the nation than abortion and gays."
To the unborn child, nothing poses a more immediate danger than abortion.
Over one million people a year are being murdered by abortion.
Is this not an existential level threat?
The thing is that given how poorly our leadership class has performed these last thirty or so years, you could probably do no worse pulling names from a hat. Like W.F. Buckley said, just pick up the phone book.
The coming meltdown- if it comes- will be the fault of the Democrats, too. They control Congress. They're also beholden to K Street corporate interests. They support the War, NAFTA, etc. They have not stopped (in fact have largely supported) things like Guantanamo Eternal, the Patriot Act, external rendition, torture, and arresting (and torturing) American citizens like Jose Padillo without any form of due process. Note that Jose Padillo could hypothetically be any one of us.
Clinton lobbed bombs indiscriminately, Obama promises us invasions of Iran and Pakistan.
The Banks melt down and their speculative debt is accepted by a Democratic Congress, the deficits (budgetary and trade) blossom, our industrial and agricultural base has been fully eviscerated, and the Democrats from Clinto to Obama all do nothing or support it all with relish.
Our gathering national travesty is not simply a Republican disaster. We're all complicit.
So do not pretend that Obama and Company are somehow existentially separate and superior to the Republicans. It's a matter of rather slight degree (they'll oppose repealing capital gains taxes, yippee kay yay, mo fo!), not kind.
The Political establishment on both sides is largely on the same page. And of the same cloth. Upper class, ivy leauge establishment.
Sarah Palin, and her husband, are of a different breed. His job, their last, and fifth, child put them in another universe than any other of the three major candidates. Salt of the Earth.
And note this: the abortion issue is not minor. Internationally, it is going to be decisive. We're short almost 50 million citizens. The Indians and Chinese have slaughtered over 100 million girls (in favor of boys) in the last ten years. That number will climb, and this deficit will have profound consequences.
Abortion, aside from being one of the greatest slaughters in human history, could very well create the conditions for massive global conflict.
Electing Sarah Palin will do little to nothinbg to stop this dynamic. Nor will it have much effect on Global Warming, which is something the Democrats will not effectively be able to stop, either.
Personally, however, I think symbols matter.. And the radical assertion of human personhood that we pro-lifers stand for is the only coherent position. In spiritual terms, it matters. Which in the end may be the only thing we have left.
Which is why I will very likely vote for her.
Careful, Rod, lest you get caught with a hangover.
www.adn.com/monegan/story/478090.html
"Palin abruptly fired Monegan on July 11 and later explained she wanted to take the Department of Public Safety in a different, more energetic direction. She replaced him with Chuck Kopp, the former Kenai police chief. But Kopp resigned Friday over questions about a reprimand he received after a sexual harassment complaint lodged against him in Kenai.
The Legislative Council is a panel of lawmakers who tend to legislative business when lawmakers are not meeting in regular session.
On Monday, the council voted 12-0 to spend up to $100,000 "to investigate the circumstances and events surrounding the termination of former Public Safety Commissioner Monegan, and potential abuses of power and/or improper actions by members of the executive branch."
Why am I hearing the name "Thomas Eagleton" in the background here? Ah...it's probably nothing at all, just an echo.
Rod...about that hangover...
www.ktva.com/commissionercontroversy/ci_10195264
"She admitted a member of her administration had made calls that could be perceived as pressure. On Wednesday afternoon Governor Palin released a recording of a phone call that she says she was just made aware of.
"I do now have to tell Alaskans that such pressure could have been perceived to exist. Although I have only now became aware of it, the serial nature of the contacts understandably could be perceived as some kind of pressure, presumably at my direction. Because namely, specifically, most disturbing, is a telephone recording apparently made by the troopers and preserved documenting a call that was placed to the Dept. of Public Safety manager by my boards and commissioners director Frank Bailey."
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Tapes?
According to this article, Rod, Palin's kids attend public schools:
http://dwb.adn.com/news/politics/story/8334949p-8231037c.html
Apparently her older daughter was out of school for much of Palin's pregnancy, but beyond that, nothing doing on this front.
Rod is acting like a giddy middle school girl! She home schools, is pro life, and thus she is now qualified to be Vice President of the USA.
I highly suspect we will see the Christian Right come out in full force support now. Which is likely why McCain picked her. I would almost place a bet that his pick of her was a back room deal, likely made with Dobson and Richard Land, to get their support and backing. A Mormon pick was too risky for the Christian right to support, although that Dobson personally would have preferred Romney. Rod is falling head over heals into their agenda. No more crunchy con for Rod- you are turing out to be just another loyal foot soldier for Dobson.Think critically!
Todd Palin sounds like a man cut from the same cloth as Hillary.
www.andrewhalcro.com/shadow_governor
"Last month, a group of Alaskans filed a freedom of information act for emails sent from the computers of both Frank Bailey and Ivey Frye. Along with several boxes of documents, they received a cover letter along with 78 pages detailing the emails that were not released due to "Deliberative Process and Executive Privilege". (Privilege log attached)
Page 1 of the list showed seven emails from both Governor Sarah Palin and Lt. Governor Sean Parnell within a three hour time frame on Feburary 1, 2008 that were described as "Email re Andrew Halcro".
The serious concern about these emails is that they were prohibited from being released to the public due to executive privilege, even though Todd Palin was copied on these same emails.
Todd Palin is not a member of the executive branch, nor is he even a government employee. Todd Palin is a member of the general public.
So why in the world is Todd Palin getting copied on emails that his wife's administration is classifying as confidential? "
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Maybe we are getting a two-for-one deal here, Rod, just like Hil & Bill?
To the unborn child, nothing poses a more immediate danger than abortion. Over one million people a year are being murdered by abortion.
Is this not an existential level threat?
Even if I were to accept your premise of abortion = murder (which I do not) then this still would pose no existential threat to the nation. America's population is actually growing... and if not for the population argument, please explain how the continuing existence of our nation is threatened by the practice of abortion?
Existential threats to our nation are not terribly hard to find or fathom at the moment, lets not add imaginary ones.
"Apparently her older daughter was out of school for much of Palin's pregnancy, but beyond that, nothing doing on this front."
According to the family it was an extended case of mono. Poor kid...mono is not fun under normal circumstances. But to have it for that long...wow.
Most of this discussion seems a tad ridiculous. Homeschooling does nothing for me as a voter, as most families will NEVER have the luxury of opting out of public schools for their kids.
And this governor is supposedly qualified in foriegn affairs because she lives right next door to Canada and Russia? You can't be serious.
She is McCain's Hail Mary pass, and it looks like a fumble to me.
Rod is acting like a giddy middle school girl!
Posted by: steve | August 29, 2008 11:52 PM
Wouldn't be the first time I've seen that in this election cycle. Ron Paul, Huckabee, even Romney for a bit.
"She IS a Crunchy Con. She embodies every value in the book!"
Well this is the first thing that starts to give me some serious concern. I find your views interesting, but I don't want all of them to be mainstream in conservatism. Some of them are good, but some of are off the charts ludicrous or unrealistic.
Specific to home schooling I'm a bit ambivalent on it. I think it's a good choice for some families and some kids, but I don't think it's ideal. For me it's what you do when the schools stink or your kid is in some way different so needs special attention. Private school I'm for in more wide cases, but I've seen home schooling fail too much to be impressed. Sometimes the parent is an incompetent teacher, but other times they create a child who's overly narrow and sheltered. And sometimes it works wonderfully, but it's not the ideal in my mind.
I'll just repeat this, succinctly, for Mike F. and anyone else who isn't paying attention:
Internationally, the abortion regime is butchering hundreds of millions more girls than boys. This imbalance will likely lead to catastrophe, as great as any climate change consequence.
As for the personhood of the human fetus, it has to be radical. To pretend that it is bestowed only when the baby passes through the cervix, is arbitrary.
Utterly arbitrary.
It is to suppose that our personhood is mere philosophical and legal fiction, not inherent to us ontologically.
This to ultimately denude all of us, not just the fetus, of human rights.
It will lead to bloodshed.
Bloodshed beyond the womb, that is. We corrupt our sense of the radical sacredness of all human life (even the unseen, the weak and powerless, such as the fetus) at our extreme peril.
Know this, know it well: Personhood is a theological truth, rooted in the personhood of God.
Denying this, we deny the dignity our very selves. Losing this sense of the radical sacredness of human life, no matter what the form, is no trivial thing.
It will lead to massive tragedy.
You've been warned. Here, yet again.
"This to ultimately denude all of us, not just the fetus, of human rights.
It will lead to bloodshed.
Bloodshed beyond the womb, that is."
Charles Curtis, there's been plenty of bloodshed beyond the womb for millenia now. And personhood has been under from various forms of attack just as long. But it is in the power of individuals to affirm personhood regardless of what the state does, and the United States is relatively benign compared to many other regimes throughout history. People who claim to be pro-life have framed the debate in terms of legalities for far too long. We don't have to wait on laws to change to support mothers. We do have to support mothers.
Thomas: Specific to home schooling I'm a bit ambivalent on it. I think it's a good choice for some families and some kids, but I don't think it's ideal. For me it's what you do when the schools stink or your kid is in some way different so needs special attention... Sometimes the parent is an incompetent teacher, but other times they create a child who's overly narrow and sheltered. And sometimes it works wonderfully, but it's not the ideal in my mind.
Certainly it is not for everybody. It takes a lot of dedication of at least one parent,
However, many people do it in order to give their children a superior academic education, far better than public schools and far less expensive than many private schools, or to avoid the progressive and experimental ideals that have crept into the public schools. And it takes less than half the time to cover the same material,leaving plenty of time for artistic, athletic or other pursuits. It is particularly suitable for young actors, sports competitors or traveling families (such as a candidate mom on the campaign trail).
Far from being sheltered and narrow, I have found these kids able to relate to and converse with people of all ages, while publicly schooled kids are locked into age groups and find it hard to "see" anyone but their own peers.
Wouldn't be the first time I've seen that in this election cycle. Ron Paul, Huckabee, even Romney for a bit.
Romney? Please. Never once was I interested in him. I did like Paul, but yes, I was as giddy as a schoolgirl over Huck.
Look, my Palin crush will subside. If she turns out to be Dan Quayle or Harriet Miers, we'll know real soon. And if not, well, hooray, we have a new star on the Right. I've just been angry and miserable about the Republicans for so long, I've got to have a day to feel good. This too shall pass, no doubt. I am Derbyshirian, as you know.
I know we're voting for the president, not vice president. If I vote for McCain, it will be holding my nose, and because I want Sarah Palin to become important to national politics. She's the kind of Republican I like. I don't think either Obama or McCain comes close to offering the kind of change the nation needs. Four years of Sarah Palin in the vice president's office, and she'd be something else. And if not, hell, Palin-Jindal 2012.
"I know we're voting for the president, not vice president."
True, Rod. And that's why I have to wonder why even on the right some are attacking Palin's lack of experience. Obama has been a community organizer, an Illinois State Senator for seven years, and the junior United States Senator since January of 2005. How is he more prepared to be president than Palin is to be vice president?
The election has gotten more interesting with the Palin pick, especially from the conservative perspective. The GOP convention is going to be a lot more fun than if Romney had been the veep choice.
Ok, I'll say that Palin makes my hair stand on end and for the first time I'm actually thinking of voting for Obama! (It will pass, such things always do.)
But even if they get elected, she'll just be the screeching VP that will end up as joke fodder like Dan Quayle simply because that is what happens to vice presidents. She will have no impact on legislation for at least two years because Congress won't care what she says and the Senate is going to be so pro-choice that no pro-life justice is even going to get a hearing, much less be confirmed.
And let us be honest, the last Vice President that took over had lots of experience in government, Lyndon Johnson and look at the disaster he turned out to be so lack of experience really does not matter very much.
Wow, Rod, you're really scraping the bottom of barrel to find something to bolster Palin's scant credentials. Keep trying-- you gotta energize that base. That homeschooling will really go a long way when she's in a serious tete-a-tete with world leaders.
"Obama has been a community organizer, an Illinois State Senator for seven years, and the junior United States Senator since January of 2005. How is he more prepared to be president than Palin is to be vice president?" by Erin Manning
TR: The Senate is a national office, I'll give him that. As a Presidential candidate I really don't think Palin is quite prepared.
And oddly this is what the argument has been in a way. The assumption is he's going to die or go into dementia very soon, as early as 2009 going by even some critical conservative sites. Therefore she is the Republican choice for President of the United States. If this were the situation I think concerns would not be unreasonable. I just don't think this is the situation. In our era wealthy men who live to 72 have a good shot of being healthy at 76. Even average men do. Still it's what they're going on.
The other I'm seeing is that Illinois is a big state. It's got more people. It's more civilized, urbane, and just better than podunk Alaska. It's like electing that conservative red-haired teacher from "Northern Exposure" to the Vice Presidency, it looks crazy to them.
Yes wealthy men live pretty long but you have to remember McCain was tortured and starved as a POW for years, that would put mileage on you. He has had melanomas and a recent study shows skin cancers make it more likely to have other cancers.
Aside from the ongoing investigation on Palin (fired somebody who would not fire her sister's ex-husband) you have to wonder about her credentials to lead the nation as a whole. For her, gun control means prohibiting Native Americans from hunting in Glacier Bay; for the rest of the country, it means whether mentally ill people can buy guns and shoot up a college campus or whether inner-city gang members need machine guns.
To those who keep bringing up "troopergate" please, please, please keep talking about this. Wiser heads within the DNC are already backing off, and Olbermann candidly admitted last night it was a "nonstarter." Why, because of the boomerang effect I've already noted. The more you talk about it, the more Americans will like her. The scumbag brother-in-law was tasering his son, making death threats, etc. He was a scumbag. He needed to be fired, and the commissioner wouldn't do it. Average voters aren't going to groove into the details of this; they'll just come away with a top-of-mind impression that she stood up for her sister and sister's kids against an abusing scumbag bully. And that's what you'll look like, too, if you keep bringing it up. So please keep talking it up.
...but you have to remember McCain was tortured and starved as a POW for years...
Posted by: spider | August 30, 2008 10:15 AM
Jeeze, how could we forget seeing as how McCain brings it up all the time?
Who issues the Dem's talking points and how do you receive them? I must say they have a fine distribution system. No foreign policy experience, she hates polar bears, she tried to get her corrupt scumbag tasering brother in law dismissed because he wasn't fit to serve as a state trooper, after she kills all the polar bears she's going to drill for oil in their polar bear dens, oh, and did I mention that she doesn't have foreign policy experience? Either way, I hope DonF's kids never get out of line, because evidently he thinks the taser is an appropriate tool of discipline.
In an effort to play the wedge politics they say they abhor I have also been seeing increased discussion of machine guns. BO mentioned the other evening his concern about AKs in the hands of the criminal class who turn to guns out of desperation that the federal government has not yet made their kids smart and beautiful and anger that the entrepreneurial class only pays federal income taxes at a 35% marginal rate. Similarly spider notes above that inner-city gang members are buying machine guns, presumably to defend polar bears and scumbag tasering brother in laws from Gov. Palin.
Has the law changed recently? Can I now buy a tommy gun at Wal-Mart? That would be sweet to defend myself from the coming Chinese drones, but somehow I don't think it's the case.
Charles, the last VP that took over was Gerald Ford, not Lyndon Johnson. However, you may have been talking about due to death.
Thomas R, I'm glad to see someone else question home schooling. I'm not against it, but I don't think it is inherently good either. But there seems to a be a dogma that it is always better rather than measuring the relative merits of the individual situation.
mdavid-The new conservative way is to tax oil companies and give the money to the people? Really? Oops, lots of that money comes from me to you also. Alaska receives twice as much federal tax money as it pays in. How exactly are conservatives going to implement this plan for the rest of the country?
Steve
BREAK THE GLASS CEILING !!!
WOW ... What a great pick!!! America should elect
McCain & Palin for the Whitehouse in November,
for a return to wholesome American values.
An experienced Governor for V.P. vs. a
community organizer for President ... I pick Palin.
No Wright, no Farrakahn, no Ayers, no Rezko,
no mean Michelle, NOBAMA
TR: "The other I'm seeing is that Illinois is a big state. It's got more people. It's more civilized, urbane, and just better than podunk Alaska. It's like electing that conservative red-haired teacher from "Northern Exposure" to the Vice Presidency, it looks crazy to them."
I'd love to have a chat with whomever thinks this. I'm from Illinois originally, and still have extended family in the area. Illinois isn't exactly urbane, and Chicago as a city is hardly an enlightened beacon on a hill. In fact, if there was more attention paid to the reality that a Chicago "community organizer" is generally following in the Saul Alinsky pattern of community shake-down-ism with a strong Marxist/revolutionary philosophical backdrop, I doubt Obama would keep mentioning it as a point in his favor.
"For her, gun control means prohibiting Native Americans from hunting in Glacier Bay; for the rest of the country, it means whether mentally ill people can buy guns and shoot up a college campus or whether inner-city gang members need machine guns."
Gun control also means whether I get to defend myself from those whackos, who usually do not have their guns legally anyway.
The gun control moment is over. It loses elections. Deal with it.
steve, Alaska receives twice as much federal tax money as it pays in. How exactly are conservatives going to implement this plan for the rest of the country?
Alaska gets so much federal money to manage land owned by the Feds. We don't personally get the money, federal agencies do. The feds decide how they want to spend their money, not the state. This was part of the deal with the Feds stealing all the land from the state back when we entered the union (things like ANWR). We would gladly take back our land and let you keep your money.
The federal money that comes into AK goes to public institutions - you know, the ones liberals support. Personally, I say cut it all - the state would do just fine if we got the feds out. Well, a lot of money comes from the military, and that's fine.
State money is what Palin plays with. She tries to keep greedy liberal hands off the pot (goverment spenders who hold political power by giving money to teacher's unions, state agencies, and the like)...giving it away directly to the citizens (this is revenue that comes directly from resources...resources that belong to the people...not taxes). It's great policy - conservative, cuts out the middleman and lets the citizens spend their money directly. Libs, otoh, want to take the state's resource money and use it for their political power.
MH there is a bit of a home-schooling group where I live and my oldest brother tried it for a time.
In my oldest brothers case it was kind of a disaster. Neither of them have any real education experience and his wife is kind-of high strung. They ended up going for a monastic school instead. I think the monks did good by them from what I can tell.
In other cases I've seen it's mixed. A girl her works at the convenience store was home-schooled. They say she's kind and fairly intelligent, but she's also very gullible in a way. I don't know how to explain this but she's one of the few girls I've heard of who seems to dress provocatively out of complete innocence rather than to be provocative. Going shirtless in the Summer is comfortable and although I don't think she goes that far I gather it's something like that. Like she just thinks "this is comfortable and I like the color" without knowing what it looks like to society. (In fairness there's something sad, if this is really the situation, that her perfectly innocent clothing choices causes her to be judged like that) She's almost like one of those American Indians you read about in old sentimentalized novels, or maybe the Amish, who just has her own way of doing things and sometimes doesn't assimilate well into our world. Other cases I've seen the parents are fanatics of some kind and the child rebels in a big way. However I'm not blaming that on home-schooling, or not on it alone, because I think they're rebelling more because of their parents generalized fanaticism. (To give you a sense of what I mean one of them didn't want her kid to learn Japanese because "The Japanese are Communists." And yes I know the Japanese are certainly not Communist along with other things wrong with that view)
The case I know of where it really worked both parents had education experience and they lived in a big city. The kid could meet all kinds of different people on trips to different parts of town and they had the skills to be teachers. Likewise the actual school system was untrustworthy or negative.
Experienced Governor? "No Wright no Farrakahn" how about no racism? As a Christian, stay at home mom of 3 and registered nurse (when I was paid to work) I'm insulted by this choice. She's a great female example BUT not this year, maybe in the future when she's more experienced. McCain thought he could get Hillary supporters and working class by this choice because if you look at his past choices he is not for family values-he didn't value his first wife and family.
Re: Mike F's comments (tenth down from the top): I don't agree with you at all that abortion is not one of the key, front-burner issues in this campaign. Why do you think there's been so much fireworks around Barack Obama having been the single vocal and vehement opponent of the Born Alive Infant Protection legislation in the Illinois Senate? Meaning, of course, that he's IN FAVOR of killing (by withholding of food and medical care) babies BORN ALIVE after SURVIVING late-term abortions. Many of these babies are Down Syndrome babies, since 90% of pregnant women given a Down Syndrome prognosis are aborting their little ones. Indeed, the courageous nurse, Jill Stanek, who testified both in Illinois and in Washington DC about widespread infanticide, described how she got involved in this issue after cradling a Down Syndrome infant who'd been left to die in the medical waste disposal room. Surely anyone can see the incredible juxtaposition between Obama, who believes in killing Down Syndrome babies (and any other babies whose mothers reject them)--while Sarah Palin welcomed her own Down Syndrome baby as a precious gift from God?
I honestly believe the hand of God is in this election, and nothing makes that more obvious than this glaringly obvious juxtaposition of Barack Obama, the man who opposed baby-protecting legislation that EVEN Barbara Boxer and Hillary Clinton supported, against Sarah Palin, who never for a moment considered "getting rid of" an "inconvenient," handicapped baby.
In my circle of friends, there's a group of women who homeschool their kids, and they're not impressed by Palin. In fact, they find her kind of insulting to the life they've chosen.
For one thing, my friends think childrearing is a worthwhile job all on its own, without having to "prove" themselves by killing a moose, frying it up in a pan, and maintaining beauty pageant good looks--as well as becoming Vice President of the United States.
In my circle of friends, there's a group of women who homeschool their kids, and they're not impressed by Palin. In fact, they find her story something of an insult to the life they've chosen.
For one thing, my friends think childrearing is a worthwhile job all on its own, without having to "prove" themselves by killing a moose, frying it up in a pan, all the while maintaining beauty pageant good looks while holding down a demanding job.
Maybe my friends are just lazy, but they're pushing their husbands' companies to offer parental leave for men as well as women, so the guys can share in the pleasure of raising the babies.
Sarah Palin's youngest child was born just four months ago. Not one of my friends can imagine trading time away from a baby that young for the whirlwind of the campaign trail. A baby's first year goes by too fast as it is.
AHHHHHHH....It's all becoming very clear WHY she "homeschools."
Amidst all the furor over the maternity of Sarah Palin's youngest child, it's become easy to put 2 and 2 together, so to speak.
She went in to sign up for Distance Education because her eldest daughter had "mono," keeping her out of school for five months of the school year.
Hmmmmmmmmmm......
I was curious about who is taking care of the kids after Trig was born and then I found this video, from when Bristol was five. Not the supportive first man we are looking for; he is threatened by her good fortune. Also note that she ran for city council to get health insurance.
http://www.videospider.tv/Videos/Detail/4161389528.aspx
I love that they’re trying to bury the story that her 17-year old daughter is pregnant under all the news about Hurricane Gustav.
Maybe if Palin and the Christian Conservatives who run the Republican party would support the teaching of sex education in schools rather than preaching head-in-the-sand abstinence programs, they wouldn’t be in this situation!
Few things make me happier when news comes out that religious zealots have to face public scrutiny when they find out:
1) Their teen-age kid is knocked up
2) Their kid is a drug addict / drug-dealer
3) Their kid is gay (not that this has anything to do with their parenting – but how do they explain their child being damned to hell for such sinful perversion?!)
If she really did stay home and home-school her kids, then where were she and Todd when Bristol became pregnant? There is no way she could stay home, home shool her kids, be a full time mother with five kids and be the governor of Alaska. Somewhere along the line she had to either hire people to take care of her kids or Todd had to stay home with them. She's from Wasilla. The capital of Alaska is Juneau. It's not an easy trek from Wasilla to Juneau. My daughter lived in the Palmer/Wasilla area for 4 yrs. I went there. If Palin really is a woman of faith, then her place is in the home with her five kids and her husband. HE should be the one out there making a living not her (and he shouldn't be sitting in on her meetings as governor).
First of all... that videospider video looked like it was some actor, not Todd Palin.
Then... I'm a homeschooling Mom of 3. But... just because I feel that I'm doing what God has called me to do for myself and my family doesn't mean that Sarah Palin hasn't been called to something different. Being called to politics does not mean she is not a woman of faith. A woman does not HAVE to stay home to be a good Christian and a woman of faith. The Bible is full of women who were called to be leaders and do more than just stay home... just look at Proverbs 31 and Judges.
I have had homeschoolers for neighbors and Pentecostals for in-laws. God bless America that supports public schools and freedom of religion.
I take back my statements above. I DO NOT think she is a good example for women, she obviously is very power-hungry if she chose to run for VP knowing her teen daughter is pregnant and the press would be all over her. What kind of mother is that? And don't pull the feminist (you wouldn't say that to a man thing-I'm a feminist!) thing-since when does that party care about women's rights? There are pictures of her now-pregnant daughter drinking/pics with friends and alcohol all over the internet. This woman has famiy values???? She's an insult to all competent, organized, SUCCESSFUL working mothers. Call me judgemental (but she's the one saying no to sex education in the schools) but you know you are low class when you're child and grandchild are the same age!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm sorry but that's a hateful thing to say sahm of 3. My husband has a grandchild 4 months older than our current youngest (19 mo) and we're pretty sure that there is another on the way that yould be 32 mo younger than the grandson. It's possible to have grandchildren and shildren of the same age without committing any transgressions (socially or religiously).
One of my dearest friends is the eldest of 12 children. Her youngest brother is a month or so older than her son...She and her mother were pregnant at the same time (of course, my friend was married too, unlike palin's daughter)
Are we to attack Sarah Palin just because her daughter made a major mistake? Praise God that she is keeping the baby! Praise God for choosing life!
Stay at home mom of 3 wrote: “but you know you are low class when you're child and grandchild are the same age!!!!!!!!!!!”
Dear “Stay at home mom of 3,”
First, thank you for caring about your family enough to stay at home and care for them…helping to build a stronger America.
Second, I must take issue with your ad hominem attack against Gov. Palin and her daughter. My wife and I married after completing our undergrad degrees and had a child right away. It just so happens that my wife’s parents did the same thing back 22 years ago. Hmm…do the math, it’s not that uncommon for a 45-46 year old to have a child. Yes, that means my child could have an Uncle or Aunt that is younger than him. Low class? I don’t think so.
SAHM of 3: You're mean. Don't teach your kids to call people low class. That might make people think all stay at home moms are snits.
Another stay at home mom of 3 (but a nice one who doesn't call people low class)
Homeschooling????? My fat butt.... just trying to keep her very sexually active Willow and Bristol out of the public eye. Better to accept all the hype.
I'd call her a Pitbull in lipstick - - - but pitbulls take far better CARE of their pups...
Travesty to have this 'MOTHER' set as the paragon of the Republican Party.
Homeschooling????? My fat butt.... just trying to keep her very sexually active Willow and Bristol out of the public eye. Better to accept all the hype.
I'd call her a Pitbull in lipstick - - - but pitbulls take far better CARE of their pups...
Travesty to have this 'MOTHER' set as the paragon of the Republican Party.
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