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Saturday August 2, 2008

Categories: Democrats, Republicans
Daniel Larison makes an excellent point about the naivete of certain journalists now disappointed that the noble John McCain they loved has turned into -- wait for it -- a politician. Excerpt: Of course, the "fiercely independent" McCain spent the...
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Derek Copold
August 2, 2008 11:42 AM

From a conservative POV, it looks good for Obama. Why reward the guy who betrays for a glowing profile in the Times, when, at worst, you'll put a pragmatist with leftist leanings in office?

Don
August 2, 2008 11:42 AM

Even if we give the candidates the benefit of the doubt, their campaigns are staffed by people who will do what they feel is necessary to win. That gives us enough evidence to determine that they are both pretty much politics as usual. This charade that we have each campaign that one or more of the candidates is breaking the mold is getting old.

Taking that into account, it becomes hard to believe that either candidate will change much in Washington. Nevertheless, there are enough differences to choose between them. And, of course, pray that the winner turns out to be at least somewhat competent.

You are certainly correct that both candidates have constructed political profiles that people with their feet on the ground can't help but find amusing. I say political profiles because they are both, in fact, interesting people with interesting stories.

John Ryskamp
August 2, 2008 11:52 AM

Wait til this member of the Syrian mafia gets indicted for, among other things, his conspiracy with Rezko and Levine on the 2003 Illinois board legislation. If you want a thorough discussion of the many crimes of this hood, read Evelyn Pringle's "Curtain Time" articles at opednews.

Paul
August 2, 2008 12:26 PM

Out here in the Far West, we have sun-baked clay. To dig a pole hole you have to chip at the ground as hard as stone until you make a dent it it. Then you add a little water and let it soak into the clay to soften it, dig a little more, add more water, dig some more add more water, etc.

It takes a couple of days to dig a post hole three feet deep so you can set a pole that the winds of time won't tear down.

This is how I see Obama and the Political system, digging holes in the hard baked resistance to change and digging deep enough to withstand the Winds of opposition. Sounds like good old fashion Politics at its best rather than the mud slinging, trash heaping mess we have delt with since Reagan was elected.

gmo2
August 2, 2008 1:43 PM

Let's say, for the moment, that your analysis is correct and that Obama has been a politician--from Harvard Law on--who has been able to take viewpoints from a variety of opposing groups and wield them into a compromise that, while not completely to everyone's liking, is enough to get the groups to agree on a course of action. That sounds pretty good compared to the ideological wars we've had for so long. McCain, on the other hand, has had to stay more ideologically pure because Republican support has demanded it.

Anonymous
August 2, 2008 3:37 PM

Derek ,

I find the fact if McCain betrayed people or the party to be quite relative so I will not go as far as Daniel does when he says McCain has a history of " staking out a position in opposition to his party in the interests of attracting good press and cultivating a reputation as one of the "good" Republicans-the "noble, tolerant" McCain "

He might actually believe in those positions. Also as I noted before there are different varied strains of conservative thought. I have to note that no one yells that Jon Kyl betrayed anyone for supporting immigration reform. Perhaps he is not the fun easy target

That being said of course McCain is a politician. Politics is the art of the possible and establishing coalitions and to be rigid as it's my view or the highway is not smart politcs. THose people are more suited to just sitting at home writing blogs and being on talk radio than actually having to govern

Derek Copold
August 2, 2008 3:46 PM

Also as I noted before there are different varied strains of conservative thought. I have to note that no one yells that Jon Kyl betrayed anyone for supporting immigration reform. Perhaps he is not the fun easy target

Or perhaps it's because he doesn't go around slurring the principled opposition within his own party as bigots whenever he didn't get his way, something McCain did and still does implicitly. JM deserves every barb tossed at him on this issue and then some.

Derek Copold
August 2, 2008 3:53 PM

Also as I noted before there are different varied strains of conservative thought.

Because we've never really tried McCain's conservatism, right? Because we didn't have a president who signed on to CFR, pushed for amnesty for illegal aliens and has advocated one of the most belligerent foreign polices since Teddy Roosevelt? Gosh, if only we could try that conservatism in the White House. We'd see a rapidly growing economy, a world at peace and in love with Uncle Sam, and a president with record high approval polls.

Back to the real world. McCain's strain has been tried, and found seriously wanting. For the good of the country and for the good of the Republican party, conservatives should let McCain fail. Indeed they should work for it.

cb
August 2, 2008 7:53 PM

I suspect the question a lot of people have in regard to Obama is whether the country is ready to take a chance with the first affirmative action president. The man has a record of actual accomplishment as thin as a reed, he's never been in charge of anything significant (or insignificant for that matter), and he is the presumptive nominee of a major political party solely because of the color of his skin. Shouldn't we be concerned?

Lord Karth
August 3, 2008 3:44 AM

Barack H. Obama is nothing more than a con man in a Brooks Brothers suit. If I were an Obama supporter with any capacity for critical thinking, his comments over the last few weeks, particularly in the area of energy policy and the Conquest War in Iraq, would start me wondering if I'd been the target of consumer fraud.

In any event, I learned long ago not to take any national- or provincial-level politician's statements seriously, on any issue. They are so far removed from the real Human beings that make up their actual constituencies that said real people are just abstractions to them. At least if a town- or county-level politician does something you don't care for, you can go down to their offices rather easily and give them a little "accountability" in the form of a knuckle sandwich.

Neither of these poseurs is going to be able to accomplish much in the upcoming four-to-eight years in any event; the financial strictures that the retirements of the Boomers will impose will see to that. Politically speaking, the ship of state is on autopilot, and the bridge controls are locked. The iceberg is approaching, and the impending crash is going to be a civilizational-level (maybe even a species-level) prizewinner.

Why on Earth anyone would WANT to be in charge in such circumstances is utterly beyond me.

Your servant,

Lord Karth

Mike F.
August 4, 2008 3:42 AM

Horrors! Neither Mccain nor Obama got as far as they did by virtue of their intellectual rigor or angelic natures.

Horrors!

The various profiles of Obama all paint him as a shrewd and pragmatic politician consciously heading straight for the top. He is a leftist, but he is also focussed on achievement, and as such he will shed those elements of his leftist agenda that prove to be politically untenable.

I think this should be acceptable to most... Mccain, I won't even get to his pluses or minuses because during this cycle in particular, I could not fathom voting for a republican. And this is what I don't understand about most conservatives these days: How can one seriously entertain the idea of voting Republican after the various acts of criminality and incompetence and disdain for the constitution that have been at best abetted and at worst encouraged by most of the party? Putting a Republican in the White House after Bush essentially teaches each political party this: play your cards right, and the American public won't punish you no matter how egregious the transgression. If the Republicans can get away with BushAndCo without punishment, everything is on the table!

Is Obama really so terrible that voting against him justifies sending this message?

If this were a European country, Bush would have long ago been forced to resign and his party forced out of a major role in government. We, on the other hand, don't even have the balls to impeach him or hold his party in any other way accountable.

Oh and Karth,
Your recent fondness for knuckle sandwiches sounds a little knuckle-dragging, to this liberal. You're on the internet - big muscle posturing falls a little flat when conveyed through text. FYI.

Sincerely,
An Obama supporter with a capacity for critical thinking

astorian
August 4, 2008 10:36 AM

If John McCain really expected the media to fawn over him this year as they did in 2000, he was very foolish.

Truth is, if McCain had managed to win the GOP nomination in 2000, the media would almost immediately have remembered, "Oh wait, we forgot- we're liberals and he's a Republican. He was a nice story for a while, but it's time to start pumping up Al Gore and trashing McCain."

It was already starting to happen, just before Bush started winning primaries (dig up some old Anna Quindlen columns from 2000, and you'll see that the Left was starting to snap out of its infatuation with McCain).

The media are liberal. McCain is a politician. Both the media and McCain are opportunistic. No big surprises there.

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Rod Dreher is an editorial columnist for the Dallas Morning News, and author of "Crunchy Cons" (Crown Forum), a nonfiction book about conservatives, most of them religious, whose faith and political convictions sometimes put them at odds with mainstream conservatives. The views expressed in this blog are his own.

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