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It's a great country, said the Somali taxi driver

Wednesday September 3, 2008

Categories: A Sense of Place
I realized on the way back to the hotel tonight that I hadn't done the standard traveling journalist thing and queried the taxi driver about his views. My driver was a young guy from Somalia who's been in this country...
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pb
September 3, 2008 1:46 AM

Yeah, because America is just about making $. At least those who advocate the proposition nation aspire to something a little bit higher.

Manfred Arcane
September 3, 2008 3:44 AM


Good for the Somali driver, but isn't this the same Republican Party and conservative movement worried about America being overrun by foreigners and about the angry Muslim menace?

Thomas R
September 3, 2008 4:16 AM

African Muslims are often more moderate. This isn't as true of Somalians, but I think it's more or less fair to say that when people fear "A Muslim wave" they mean more "Muslims from North Africa, the Middle East, and South Asia."

I don't think anyone's that afraid we're going to be overrun by Wolofs, Mandinka, or Swahilis. (In general Black African immigrants are disproportionately educated and law-abiding) Or for that matter other "moderate" non-African Muslims like Ahmadiyya (often not counted as Muslim), moderate Sufi orders, Rohingyya people (ethnic group fleeing Myanmar, they pretty much all go to Thailand), Chinese Hui, Minangkabau people, etc. In part that's because not many of these groups are coming, but it's also because the Muslim peoples or sects I named are rarely involved in terrorism.

DonF
September 3, 2008 7:14 AM

Did you happen to check to see if he was a LEGAL alien, Rod? After all, it wouldn't be right to be promoting those illegal ones now, would it?

Non-Democrat
September 3, 2008 7:17 AM

Mike F.,

All you've shown is how cancer spreads and eventually takes over the healthy host.

MargaretE
September 3, 2008 7:25 AM

Geeze, Rod writes a nice, uplifting little piece about the greatness of America as seen through the eyes of an immigrant cab driver – an anecdote we should all feel good about – and the majority of CC readers find a way to go negative and divisive almost immediately. Man, it's exhausting on this blog. Some of you are so relentless in your criticism. Can't we just lighten up once in a while?

Keep up the good, positive coverage, Rod. I agree with you that Fred Thompson was brilliant last night!

jgdc
September 3, 2008 7:39 AM

I could be one of the least patriotic people around, but even I tear up a bit when I remember walking to work early one morning in DC about a year ago. These two teenage Hispanic girls, in broken English, asked me how they could find the "Lincoln Monument." I think about them staring up at Lincoln, contemplating what he means, what he did, and the country he loved. I think about how much I take for granted and how little I do to help this country live up to its own standards, as opposed to simply complaining when our leaders and citizens don't live up to those standards.

Thanks, Rod, for reminding me how helpful it is to look at this country from that perspective again.

Manfred Arcane
September 3, 2008 8:08 AM


As I said, good for the Somali driver, for feelgood stories and America is indeed great, but singing kumbaya sounds a bit tinny when so many on the right have shamelessly stoked the fires of xenophobia for the past few years. Indeed, wasn't one of the knocks on McCain in the GOP primaries that he has been insufficiently pure or zealous on the issue of immigration?

And Thomas R - yes, some African Muslims are indeed often more tolerant than some Arab Muslims although it is hard to generalize about hundreds of millions of people. In addition to Somalis, I've met Hausas who can be pretty radical. And Swahili Muslims were involved in the bombing of the US Embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam in 1998, of course. And a lot of the xenophobia seems directed against Muslims in general, people wearing headscarves or wanting to start a mosquee or Muslim school not radicals (and there are none or few Mexican Muslims, which hasn't stopped people from going all wacky about the great brown wave engulfing America).

John E. - Agn. Stoic
September 3, 2008 8:28 AM

and then the Somali Muslim cab driver plowed into a crowd of pedestrians and blew his cab up, killing hundreds. The End

Sorry, thought I was on Wonkette there for a second.

Thomas R
September 3, 2008 8:37 AM

"although it is hard to generalize about hundreds of millions of people." MA

TR: True. In some of the most tolerant Muslim nations of West Africa female circumcision is commonplace. I may have made them sound too idyllic. Most of them are poor, many believe harmful superstitions about women, and a few are radical even there.

Still the Muslims who come to this country, whatever nation they come from, seem to be significantly less likely to be radical than those that come to Europe. The radical American Muslims often seem to be converts born here rather than immigrants.

"In addition to Somalis, I've met Hausas who can be pretty radical."

TR: Indeed. Parts of Hausaland I believe went Islamist. That's why I backed off on counting them.

"And Swahili Muslims were involved in the bombing of the US Embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam in 1998,"

TR: Good point, I was more iffy on including them. I just know my missionary friend never had a problem in Kenya. Well except that they assume a white American is rich so ask him for money. (And comparatively speaking an American is rich, especially ones who travel overseas, but they might have been off on to what degree an American is rich)

"And a lot of the xenophobia seems directed against Muslims in general, people wearing headscarves or wanting to start a mosquee or Muslim school not radicals"

TR: I know, it's sad. Although perhaps it's not at all surprising. I believe during WWI they dropped German from many high schools and renamed foods like "sauerkraut." In some ways I've been pleased as there's been less violence than I expected. (That said there's been more violence to Sikhs than I expected as Sikhs wear turbans)

"and there are none or few Mexican Muslims, which hasn't stopped people from going all wacky about the great brown wave engulfing America."

TR: There is a small population of Muslims in Mexico as they received some immigration from Lebanon and Syria. (Salma Hayek is part-Lebanese I believe) Most of those were Christian Arabs, but I've heard of a few Muslims among them. I don't think it's significant though.

I'm not concerned about Mexican immigration precisely, but it does seem like illegal immigration would be a problem. At least in definitional terms. If we're going to have immigration rules it seems like they should mean something. If the point is we should just open the border altogether I'm not totally opposed to that, but I'd like a clearer sense why that's a good idea.

My main concern, after reading more on it, is twofold. One that Mexico is losing way too many hard-working dissatisfied people who, if they stayed home, might be motivated in their dissatisfaction to improve their society. (The poorest Mexicans, like the Maya, don't actually seem to be coming here as much as I thought because it's too expensive and the US seems too strange to them) Also drug dealing.

There is a racist edge to those most concerned about illegal immigration and I find that disturbing. Derbyshire, beloved here, is one of the worst mainstreamish offenders on that. Although he's English so maybe Mexicans seem more foreign to him than they do to us.

sigaliris
September 3, 2008 9:05 AM

I'm glad TR mentioned female genital mutilation. In Somalia, over 90% of all women are subjected to this practice. For most of them, it's what's called Type III (from a U.S. State Department report):

Type III is the excision (removal) of part or all of the external genitalia (clitoris, labia minora and labia
majora) and stitching or narrowing of the vaginal opening, leaving a very small opening, about the size of a
matchstick, to allow for the flow of urine and menstrual blood. The girl or woman’s legs are generally bound together from the hip to the ankle so she remains immobile for approximately 40 days to allow for the formation of scar tissue.

In the cities, these procedures generally take place in a medical facility under anesthesia. If the operation is
performed in a rural village, an old woman excisor performs the procedure without anesthesia.

The mutilation is carried out with knives, scissors, scalpels, pieces of glass, or razor blades, often without sterilization as well as without anesthesia.

So, yeah, if that's what you call "moderate" . . . .

Thomas R
September 3, 2008 9:45 AM

FGM is a cultural practice, not an Islamic one.

What I meant is like Senegal. They have relatively low support for terrorism, general religious freedom, widespread belief in democracy, general support for women working outside the home, and about half agree women are as good at leading as men. (Although 32% of Senegalese men do think suicide bombing can be justified, which is higher than I thought)

Most Muslim nations are undeveloped and backward. (Even the richer ones are often undeveloped in terms of education, etc) Places like Senegal and Turkey's about as moderate as they get.

AnotherBeliever
September 3, 2008 11:16 AM

Thanks for that post. It is indeed easy to lose sight of what we have because we take it for granted. Spend some with people who've seen some dark places, and you'll gain a better appreciation for the United States. I can remember coming home from my last deployment and just sitting on the porch at my grandparents' house, staring in slack-jawed wonder at it all. The grass was green, the sky was blue, the temperature was moderate, children were walking to the library without adult supervision, the mail was being delivered, the garbage was being collected, the police were patrolling, and did I mention the green grass?? Coming out of Baghdad in 2006, where it was a rare sight to even see children or women anywhere and where gunfire was almost constant, I was bowled over by the contrast. Iraq is better 2008 than it was in 206, but they still don't have the basic services we take for granted, the opportunities. They'll never have the green grass and blue skies and vast forests and mountains and beaches and moderate temperatures. And no one knows what 2009 will bring them.

Tony D.
September 3, 2008 11:39 AM

I'm glad you encountered a member of our large and hardworking Somali community while you were up here. Many out-of-staters may not know that they make up a significant part of Sen. Norm Coleman's (R-Minn) base of support within Minneapolis and St. Paul proper.

Safe journey home.

stari_momak
September 3, 2008 5:48 PM

There is a racist edge to those most concerned about illegal immigration and I find that disturbing. Derbyshire, beloved here, is one of the worst mainstreamish offenders on that.

Thomas R, race is a reality. It is biologically quantifiable. And it seems a pretty natural and universal tendency for humans to want their ancestors to look reasonably like themselves. No non-western country I can think of allows mass migration of those who are racially unlike themselves. Not prosperous ones like Japan, not upcoming ones like China or India.

What you call 'racist'then is simply a natural defensive reaction. It is not natural for people people, previously a racial majority, to want to become a racial minority -- see our native Americans and their campaigns, quite justified, to stop European settlement. Just so, it is not natural for European Americans, who for good or ill pretty much built this country and its institutions, to want to be driven to minority status, or to have themselves transformed radically in a biological sense. This isn't about hate, this isn't about superior or inferior, it is just about us, an identifiable group of people, wanting to maintain our own community, culturally and biologically.

Aziz
September 3, 2008 8:16 PM

Just so, it is not natural for European Americans, who for good or ill pretty much built this country and its institutions

what an astonishing statement.

Thomas R
September 4, 2008 5:00 AM

"race is a reality. It is biologically quantifiable." SM

TR: I didn't say it was unreal, I just don't like the implications some make about it. Although judging by the genetics "race" is probably more varied then what many think. Africa certainly has several "races." The Khoisan and the Pygmies are different races from each other and from "blacks." Even those "black Africans" are quite likely of several races. Evidence indicates the Ainu were a separate "white race." (Surviving Ainu usually have strong Japanese admixture, but older skeletons indicate different skeletal features from Caucasians)

This doesn't mean I have to start thinking blacks are childlike or Mexicans sneaky as some of these "race realists" advocate.

"it is just about us, an identifiable group of people, wanting to maintain our own community, culturally and biologically." sm

TR: Then become Amish. Segregation is thankfully dead and white nationalism isn't going to go anywhere.

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