Latest ABC Palin interview -- not mo' better
Just saw Palin talking about domestic issues on ABC World News Tonight. Depressing. Programmed, just like last night. Charlie Gibson asked her twice what she and McCain would do about the economy different from Bush. Answer: not much. Here's the...
Rod -
You're being too kind.
Seriously.
I'm still blaming McCain for this. After the subpoenas today, it's only going to get worse.
I will soon be feeling sorry for Mrs. Palin.
She should have said, "Thanks, but no thanks."
Charlie had her at hello.
How can you possibly expect to see the real anybody(running for office, that is) this close to the election? What politician in his/her right mind would talk about something like entitlement reform in mid-September of an election year? This is "hang on while we re-enter the atmosphere and hope the heat shield holds" time in politics. All four of those people are thinking about nothing but survival. I was encouraged this morning to see an article in USA Today about how Palin governed from the center. Finally somebody pointing out that she might not be a complete nut.
Why is it that the low-information voters can't understand that they are being fooled yet again!
Attention voters: Ask why Palin hides from real questions. Ask why she does not discuss economics. Ask why she does not engage in foreign affairs discussions. Ask why she only throws out pithy bumper-sticker zingers instead of discussing serious & complex topics. Ask why she only attacks the candidates who are discussing the REAL problems.
Folks, we are on the brink of economic failure, failure that was brought to you by these very same people who have moved their corporations & money out of the U.S.
The media, owned by multi-national corporations that no longer have any allegiance to the American people, will not allow the low-information voters to see what's really going on, that Palin is just a dolt who will answer to nobody but these multi-nationals. They need four more years to loot what little is left in the Treasury (your tax dollars).
Ask yourself why you would consider Palin as qualified. She is bowing to her corporate owners. Four more years will ensure the complete & final gutting of America, leaving it an empty, pathetic shell, while the corporates reap huge rewards off-shore. As the now infamous Enron slogan goes, Ask Why.
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Finally somebody pointing out that she might not be a complete nut.
"...might..."
"She was good on abortion and guns" - which is all some people need to know.
If anyone had asked Obama specific questions like they asked Palin, we might not have a close race right now. I have yet to hear Obama lay out a specific plan for anything. Hope is not a strategy.
She sounded fine to me; i don't want the federal government fixing schools or monkeying with the economy any more than is absolutely necessary, and i surely don't want the globally corrosive effect of taking money from me and my folk to pay for killing nascent life in order to make some other lives simpler or on a chimeric search for healing miracles that are often accessible through the use of science, not a blind faith in "embryonic stem cells."
Yep, i'm one of them "some people", still clinging.
And didja know the Bible says "There is no God"? Psalm 14:1 . . .
Exact quote!
Sarah Palin is dishonest. She is anti-science. She is inexperienced. She abuses her authority. She hides behind executive privilege. She is a big spender. She works from the gut and places a greater value on instinct than knowledge.
And most dangerous of all, she is supremely self-confident to the point of not recognizing how ill-equipped she is to lead the country. George Bush with a dress on.
Mom in Virginia
It's not about bring a nut, it's about being a credible world leader.
She is not.
She did fine, she didn't do worse than most other politician. I think those conservatives who like Palin and don't like where McCain is taking her should set up a wiki, start critiquing, and setup an intervention before the debate...
I didn't see the interview, so I have no reflections on it. But I what I would love to see would be Charlie Rose doing a real interview with Palin. He has a real gift for bringing out the real character of people. Charlie Gibson - I've never seen him do a good job at interviewing anyone.
'Get government out of the way of the private sector. Cut taxes. Control spending. And when Gibson pressed her, she added "reform agency oversight. "'
Daily Show: Can you be more generic?
Judging from the phone calls from women on talk radio, Sarah Palin did just fine.
As for the other party....
What Obama just did with his ad criticizing McCain for not using email reminds me of Joseph Welch's remark to Senator Joseph McCarthy:
McCain can't tie his shoes, comb his hair, or easily (if at all) use a keyboard because of the injuries he suffered as a POW (per a 2000 Boston Globe story). Between mocking Palin's Down Syndrome baby and her pregnant daughter, and now mocking McCain's disability - and then today questioning John McCain's patriotism:
it's time to say to Barack Obama and the Democrats: "Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?"
Very disappointing, I want to believe in her,but alas she is a bill of goods,being foisted upon the masses. I am a conservative to hates Bush and the Republicans with a passion, they should all be put on trial. Lord willing to when Obama wins,they will be. The Republicans and Americans are terminally stuck on stupid,in that they let the same bunch of criminals run the same con game on them, they did in 2000 and 2004,by putting up a folksy type "real American" out there and then contrasting them to those effette, elitist liberals,who are un-American and "the party of defeat" and hate Jesus. George Bush cutting brush,on the ranch in Crawford,and Sarah Palin,as moose hunting hockey mom,is the same faux populist b.s. The Democrats and the American public needs to figure a way out this narrative. The Repubs. and Bushites are looting this country blind, and the hockey mom is the latest red meat to throw the rubes. Maybe liberal condescention towards red state America is a bunch of dim mouth breathers has a legitimate grain of truth to it.? They seem to be eager participants in their own ruin and destruction. The Republicans might as well sponsor monster truck rallys,keggers and amateur night at the local topless bar, after all that is only a few steps away from the condescension shown towards working class, Americans, with this Sarah Palin crap. I mean real Americans like that stuff too,unlike John Kerry with his speaking French.Also Jesus needs to be banned from politics, as its seems the more a politician loves them some Jesus, the more vile they likely are to be. Religion in American politics is like spraying Voltaire # 5 on dog crap. The Palin-mania is as lame the whole freedom fries debacle.
I am also sick of the, Barak is being mean to Sarah,because she is a girl crap,being bandied about the Republicans,identity politics suck and are contempt worthy no matter who puts them forth,get to the real issues.
Regarding the allegation that Obama hasn't laid out specifics...to the contrary, he has laid out a major tax cut for most taxpayers, and shown how he would pay for it -- by raising taxes on the very wealthy. (Families earning more than $250,000 a year -- which is about 1% of the population).
McCain by contrast would enact Bush's tax cuts for the super-wealthy, and tell us that he is "cutting taxes" -- which for 99% of the population is simply not true.
Palin is a charismatic figure, no doubt. So was Bush. That's why Rove liked him (according to Rove). Plenty of leaders, good and bad, are charismatic. The question is: How will they govern?
The McCain-Palin ticket, which promises an extremely aggressive foreign policy, huge tax cuts for the rich, and vague promises of reform, looks if anything more divisive and less productive than the Bush administration. I'm sorry to say this: once I vote for John McCain, but that was back in 2000, when he seemed to be a completely different man.
berty states it quite well.
EricW: Neither Obama nor his campaign "mocked" Sarah Palin's son; in fact Obama publicly threatened to fire anyone on his team that did, making it abundantly clear that such stuff was out of line. If you look at the video here">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/11/mccain-admits-he-doesnt-k_n_106478.html">here, you'll see that McCain describes himself as a computer "illiterate". It's not a matter of handicaps--he doesn't know how to use computers. And I would point out that, having worked in education, I know there are plenty of devices that could allow him to use computers unassisted if he understood how to do so and wanted to. As to the ad: I don't think it is attacking McCain's patriotism, but in regard to the content, well, truth hurts, huh?
Rod: And she was perfectly natural and winning in talking about her family and her job responsibilities.
Which qualify her for VP how?
Damn, I love her, but this is a big downer.
That's the problem!! You're being too much Bones McCoy and not enough Spock!! There are lots of people I love deeply whom I'd never put in office! OK, I feel better now....
I am terrified at the prospect of this inexperienced undereducated woman sitting across the table from Nouri Maliki. He would eat her for lunch. She is fine as the governor of the huntin and fishin capital but she is way over her head on the national let alone the international level..
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I am terrified at the prospect of this inexperienced undereducated woman sitting across the table from Nouri Maliki. (Incase she doesn’t know he is the leader of Iraq) He would eat her for lunch. She is fine as the governor of the huntin and fishin capital but she is way over her head on the national let alone the international level..
I am a woman and I find her BRASH and combative.
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I will take generic "cut gov't waste" over "create massive new entitlements" every time.
Regarding the allegation that Obama hasn't laid out specifics...to the contrary, he has laid out a major tax cut for most taxpayers, and shown how he would pay for it -- by raising taxes on the very wealthy. (Families earning more than $250,000 a year -- which is about 1% of the population).
Yeah, I've heard that populist drivel. It doesn't add up. Is that all there is? He's going to soak the rich and (poof) the economy will boom, the budget will balance, the debt disappear, and we all live happily ever after, huh?
Turmarion:
Huffington Post? There are other articles that, contrariwise, refute McCain's supposed computer illiteracy.
Also, I included Democrats, not just Obama, in my comments. The attacks and jokes about Sarah Palin's family have come from Obama supporters in the media - celebrities, comedians, columnists, etc.
What's interesting is I have a book from 8 years ago (2000 hardcover edition) by Arianna Huffington called How to Overthrow the Government, and the book is basically an endorsement of John McCain for President and an argument for why he was the best candidate running in 2000. How times have changed!
amazon.com/How-Overthrow-Government-Arianna-Huffington/dp/0060988312/
To Kirk or Kidc,
Guess what. Those are the same tactics (soaking the rich) that were used by Bill Clinton to produce a budget surplus. It works. Who are you to defend the rich? What are you, rich, I bet not. I am, by that standard and I'm still in favor of soaking the rich. Otherwise this country which I love will become unstable. When do you think the Russian and French revolutions began? The day "the people have no bread". People will put up with a lot but they are not suicidal. In case you're interested, suicide is not a Christian virtue. One who commits it goes straight to Hell, in most denominations.
That Obama commercial making fun of McCain for not knowing how to use the Internet is ridiculous. The liberal Mark Shields (whom I like very much) was trashing it tonight on the NewsHour, saying that Obama needs to be reaching rural and older voters, the kinds of people who don't Google all day long to find out what's going on on the Drudge Report and elsewhere.
If McCain wins the only time Palin will be allowed to sit down near a foreign leader is at a state funeral for someone we don't like. Much as I may despise Palin, she is doing exactly what she is being hired to do, which is to get the religibots back into line and not put both feet in her mouth. And if they win that will continue to be her job, say the things the base of the party likes and not have any serious input into policy, except maybe on matters involving whale blubber.
Palin did fine. "Charlie" was after her scalp and she knew it. Palin did a commendable job in eluding being scalped by this unfair and partial "journalist."
Were her answers cautious and rehearsed? Can you blame her if they were? After all, did "Charlie" Gibson behave in an entirely fair and impartial way?
Compare "Charlie's" recent interview of Obama with his interview this week of Palin. Nerf-ball questions tossed at Obama. Schoolmaster condescension towards Palin.
Were there any gaffes? Yes, there were two gaffes ... and both were committed by "Charlie." He grossly misquoted the prayer which Palin had spoken regarding the troops in Iraq, and when he was gently challenged by Palin on the accuracy of his version, he insisted that his version was the correct one. Wrong, "Charlie!" What a doofus!
When it came to the "Bush Doctrine," "Charlie" tried to pretend that he was the sole authority on the interpretation of this. However, as Charles Krauthammer (who first coined the phrase, "Bush Doctrine" back in the summer of 2001) pointed out today, the version which Gibson stated in his interview was incorrect and misleading.
It's been years since I've watched a broadcast of "ABC World News Tonight." After what I saw Thursday night, I realize that I haven't missed a thing. Thumbs down to "Charlie" Gibson.
Palin did fine. "Charlie" was after her scalp and she knew it. Palin did a commendable job in eluding being scalped by this unfair and partial "journalist."
Were her answers cautious and rehearsed? Can you blame her if they were? After all, did "Charlie" Gibson behave in an entirely fair and impartial way?
When they start blaming the reporters, you know the desperation has completely set in. She's a victim when she's questioned about her parenting, she's a victim when she's questioned about her church, she's a victim of sexism and classism and religious bigotry, she's a victim when her handpicked questioner asks her basic questions that every reasonably politician on the national stage should be able to answer.
Are we going to listen to seven more weeks of St. Sarah the victim?
I'm watching her now on 20/20, and the cumulative impression from her manner is much better than the edited clips -- I mean, much more natural. I still like her very much as a person, I love her attitude, and I want her to do better than she's doing. But I am disappointed by how little she seems to know about some pretty basic stuff.
But I do think that if the 20/20 interview is all you've seen of her this week, she's coming off much better than she did on World News yesterday, and this evening.
I also think that if she makes it to Washington, she's going to be a very, very effective politician. Very effective. I think when she decides what she believes in and wants to achieve, she's not going to stop till she gets it. Put another way, I think she makes Hillary Clinton look like a softie.
Anyone who accuses Gibson of being unfair is unlikely to win. Lame, yes. Subversive, not likely.
Bottom lines being drawn along with our Hot Rod viewer conclusions: This is the woman you want living next door with whom you carpool to church and have sangria talking about life and share Easter egg roll preparation for the neighhborhood kids. You do not however want her to be a heartbeat away from an elderly president of the United States of America at a time of economic global collapse, wars on two fronts and shifting global power during oil depletion politics, etc. You know it. I know it. Face it. You cannot ignore your gut the way you did the last two times. Look where that got us, by your own admission.
Daniel,
The "victim" in this matter is not Sarah Palin. She's shown that she can handle this nonsense and will be the better for it when she serves as Vice President.
No, the real victim is the American public, which deserves an impartial class of journalists. Chronic and habitually biased reporting damages public trust in the Fourth Estate. It is the primary reason for the growth of talk radio, cable news and other alternatives to what was once a strangehold by three networks and a handful of Eastern big city newspapers.
"I think when she decides what she believes in "
When yes, but this is now.
Steve
I'm still hoping for full transcripts from the McCain-Palin team on the Gibson auto da fe -- did you see how many of her statements were awkwardly clipped in mid-thought, especially on abortion and stem cells, let alone foreign policy?
Gibson, of whom i had no opinion at all before yesterday, strikes me as a pompous weenie in these "interviews." Not a sign of desperation, fella, but my honest reaction to this 20/20 travesty.
'Get government out of the way of the private sector. Cut taxes. Control spending. And when Gibson pressed her, she added "reform agency oversight. "'
This is not just generic and vague. It is cynical. Who's going to disagree with this? The problem is that all of those discretionary government programs are a tiny fraction of the federal budget. The largest expenses are the Defense Department, Social Security, and the interest on the national debt. No agency oversight or budget cuts will save as much money as reducing the national debt. How are they going to do that and reduce taxes? How are they going to cut out fraud and abuse without imposing more restrictions and conducting more audits? And getting government out of the way of the private sector? Great! Let's start by not bailing out Wall Street, Freddie, and Fannie, not to mention General Motors, which, according to today's Washington Post, has hired some very expensive lobbyists to put a ton more federal money "in the way" of the private sector by bailing them out.
She's going to have to be prepared to give some specifics about what she intends to cut, and I mean cut, not redirect as she did with the bridge to nowhere funds.
You do not however want her to be a heartbeat away from an elderly president of the United States of America at a time of economic global collapse, wars on two fronts and shifting global power during oil depletion politics, etc.
Uh, yes, I do want her in the Oval Office. In fact, I vastly prefer her to John McCain, whom I would not have voted for if he hadn't picked her.
Additionally, if the choice is between Sarah Palin in the Oval Office and Barack Obama -- that only makes the choice that much easier. I DAMN SURE would prefer her to the lightweight Obama any day of the week.
"I completely dig her, and wish she were my governor. But my vice president? Hmm."
While I admit to much of the same sentiment (though I missed the interviews and have only seen some clips from yesterday), the immediate thought is that I'd still rather have Sarah Palin for vice president than Joe Biden.
Of course, the real comparison being made is between Palin and Obama, and I can't for the life of me understand why people who are terrified of Palin in the vice-presidency (where presumably she'll have time to learn and grow) don't bat an eye over Obama's qualifications to be President: six years as an Illinois State Senator and fewer than four as the junior U.S. Senator from Illinois.
Additionally, if the choice is between Sarah Palin in the Oval Office and Barack Obama -- that only makes the choice that much easier. I DAMN SURE would prefer her to the lightweight Obama any day of the week.
You're not alone, fbc: According to the AP poll released tonight, 36% of the public thinks Palin lacks the right experience to be President. But 47% believe Obama is not experienced enough. More than 80% believe John McCain has the right experience.
From the AP: "This is his fourth year in the Senate, and two of those four years he spent campaigning for president," said Arthur Koch, 63, an undecided voter from Wallington, N.J. "I'm not too comfortable with that."
McCain also has a 23 point lead among seniors, who vote in much larger numbers than college kids wearing Che Guevarra shirts. But I see the Obama/Dukakis Campaign has a brilliant new strategy to win back the seniors -- making fun of McCain for not being able to use email because of his war wounds.
And as other polls this week have noted, Obama/Dukakis is dragging down the rest of the Democratic ticket. Generic congressional preferences are moving sharply away from the Democrats.
That is such a moronic comment, because McCain himself has said he never bothered to learn email. If people who are "handicapped" want to do something, they will.
But, he, if you keep pushing the big lie, the sheep will believe it.
Rod wrote: I'm watching her now on 20/20, and the cumulative impression from her manner is much better than the edited clips -- I mean, she come across as much more natural and confident.
Rod, if you expected any MSM outlet to portray Palin honestly, I have some oceanfront property in Nepal you might be interested in. Of course she looked better in the less-edited version of the interview. When the editing is being done by the AnyBody Communist network, screwing republicans is par for the course.
Normally, I read the comments pretty faithfully but now I have to admit I skipped pretty much all of them on this thread, especially since I can probably write them for you at this point, at least for the regulars.
So I am not going to add to the noise.
Instead I make direct appeal to Our Royal Blogmeister Rod:
Will ya make up your mind, already? Either you're gonna vote or not, McCain or nothing, and we know you aren't supporting Barack Obama. A non-vote is a tie vote. If you really disdain an Obama presidency, you at the very least have to vote against him. Heck, for that matter, if you vote for R. Nader, at the very least you can be seen as disaffected from Obama's side, not McCain's. That's gotta be worth something.
Those who think she was "scripted" obviously never heard her before.
She is saying the same things that she always said, just with more emphasis on national issues.
Charles Gibson didn't do himself and the public perception of "The Media" any good with his facial expressions and body language, even though his questions were fair.
I'm with fbc above except : if the choice is between Sarah Palin in the Oval Office and Barack Obama -- that only makes the choice that much easier. I DAMN SURE would prefer her to the lightweight Obama any day of the week.
She has made read decisions that affected people's lives, and stood by them, which a LOT more than you can say about either Obama or Biden, who only talk a lot and cast a vote occasionally.
I don't expect her to be a policy wonk. I mean, she's just come from Alaska, for Pete's sake. She will have plenty of time to learn and be seasoned in the White House while McCain has control of the reins.
Sure, Biden has 36 years of experience in the Senate, but what has all that experience done for us in Washington? Washington is a cesspool of poison. The longer you are in Washington, the more corrupted you are, the better able you are to talk out of both sides of your mouth, the more polished your dissembling is, the fuller you are in bed with big-money special interests.
Sarah Palin doesn't sound so "smart" in these interviews because she hasn't been in Washington long enough to become slippery slick.
She is a breath of fresh air. Do you really thing we've done all that well in the past few decades from our "experienced" Washington politicians?
Sarah is ours.
"Of course, the real comparison being made is between Palin and Obama, and I can't for the life of me understand why people who are terrified of Palin in the vice-presidency (where presumably she'll have time to learn and grow) don't bat an eye over Obama's qualifications to be President: six years as an Illinois State Senator and fewer than four as the junior U.S. Senator from Illinois."
Of course it's been pointed out that Abraham Lincoln had similar experience to Obama's before assuming the Presidency. And of course, Obama is not the first person who comes to mind when one thinks of Abraham Lincoln, but then neither is John McCain, is he?
The real comparison is between Obama and John McCain, who after all, will be the
President if the Republican ticket is elected. Certainly I have doubts about Obama, but I have no doubts about John McCain - no doubts about his bellicosity, no doubts about his hot and hair-trigger temper, no doubts about his willingness to compromise everything he once claimed to believe in in order to win the Presidency in this his last chance to do so, to the extent that he hired the person behind the smear campaign against McCain in 2000 SC, and to the extent that hey - torture is okay sometimes.
Doubts I have a plenty, but I have no doubts about John McCain.
Rod, you wrote: "I think when she decides what she believes in and wants to achieve, she's not going to stop till she gets it."
So, let me get this straight. Not only do you not know what Sarah Palin believes, but she doesn't know. And so you support her because you "dig her"? I also not that you refer to her now not just as "Sarah", but as "Our Sarah". With those caps and familiarity I expect to check in on your blog tomorrow and see you referring to her as, "Our Lord and Savior, Sarah Palin".
Rod: "I completely dig her, and wish she were my governor. But my vice president? Hmm."
Thanks for sharing, Rod, your concerns and doubts. Of course, you're always free to consider voting for Joe Biden ... if you think you can :-)
I can't for the life of me understand why people who are terrified of Palin in the vice-presidency (where presumably she'll have time to learn and grow) don't bat an eye over Obama's qualifications to be President: six years as an Illinois State Senator and fewer than four as the junior U.S. Senator from Illinois.
Because it's not about resume, but readiness.
Obama appears ready to be president; Palin doesn't appear to be ready to be vice president. Obama has had to consider foreign policy and national economics and defense strategy while in the Senate. He's spent 18 months facing questions, appearing in debates, talking to reporters, meeting people all over the country. He's had to consider how to rule on nominations to the Supreme Court, how to consider the interests of people beyond his own state, how to face the big questions.
If you think this is just about resume, you aren't paying attention.
Medicare is set to become the largest portion of the budget in coming years, and it has a fraud rate of 30%. Just for next year, that's $150 billion in spending cuts.
Obama has had to consider foreign policy and national economics and defense strategy while in the Senate.
If I laugh any harder, my coffee will spill.
Barack Obama has done nothing in the U.S. Senate -- absolutely nothing -- except campaign for the presidency. And funnel earmarks to the hospital where his wife has a $300,000 sinecure.
If you think this is just about resume, you aren't paying attention.
I think most Americans are paying much closer attention to the candidates than we were a few months ago. That's why Obama's sinking like a stone.
Rod, you are depressing me. Good that you "dig" Sarah Palin, but I don't understand how you can allow yourself so easily to lie down and be played, as you admit to being in the post directly above this one, when you should really be offended. Look, I agree, she has lots of appealing qualities, and she's pro-life and pro-gun-owners'-rights (which means absolutely nothing because those are not positions over which the VPOTUS has any legislative authority). But none of that makes her the least bit qualified for the job. The fact that she's being touted as the savior of the ticket and the GOP (not to mention the nation) is downright frightening in such dangerous times. I fear for our country.
I don't think Obam would have come across any better two years ago when he first started running for President. If you had been put him in for a grilling by a condescending, snarky reporter who took quotes out of context and played "gotcha" for hours, he would have looked ridiculous. He probably still would. O'Reilly treated him with utmost respect compared to Gibson's attitude towards Palin.
Palin is very smart and, i suspect, a very quick learner. We are putting way too much emphasis on how someone performs instead of how they are at their core and what they believe.
Daniel, your thoughts are on the money and thoughtfully drawn. And Erin, as much as I admire your mind and heart, you are being lead by emotion here, since this very talented woman is someone you relate to on multiple levels, not the least of which is social issues. All understandable. But if you watch these interviews...which you have not...it is clear to anyone interested in willing objectivity that no matter how much this person has an ability to learn and grasp information and rise to a challenge, this is by any fair appraisal simply too much of a leap of faith to entrust someone as backup to a 72 year old president...anytime, but most certanly now when the issues are far larger than faith-based.
We are putting way too much emphasis on how someone performs instead of how they are at their core and what they believe.
Based on what is at his core and what he believes, Jimmy Carter should have been the best president the U.S. has ever seen. He wasn't, because he wasn't ready for the big challenges.
Obama has faced tough questions over the last 18 months. He appeared in 26 debates during the primary, he's appeared on Meet the Press, Face the Nation, ABC Sunday Morning, and Fox Sunday Morning. He's been interviewed by every major newspaper and magazine in the country.
After one national intereview, Palin's supporters are blaming the press for her performance in an effort to explain her shakiness. We are less than two months from the election and five months from someone moving into the White House or VP mansion.
I'm sure if Palin had 18 months to prove herself on the national stage, we may not be having the readiness discussion. But she has 7 weeks. If that's unfair, blame McCain and not the national media which is just doing its job.
And after 18 months and 26 debates, judging by the Bill O'Reilly interviews, Barack Obama has not become less of a mystery or become more trustworthy or Presidential.
YMMV.
It was a wonderful interview. This whole Palin affair has only increased enormously my previous distrust of pseudo-Conservative pundits - such as dear Mr Dreher, Ross Douthat, not to mention David Frum...
All of you spend too much time with liberals and tend to bring too much self-criticism to the conservative side of the national debates. Self-criticism is good, but it can reach intellectually suicidal levels, which is increasingly the case with this category of commentators.
Kevin D.:Instead I make direct appeal to Our Royal Blogmeister Rod: Will ya make up your mind, already? Either you're gonna vote or not, McCain or nothing, and we know you aren't supporting Barack Obama. A non-vote is a tie vote. If you really disdain an Obama presidency, you at the very least have to vote against him. Heck, for that matter, if you vote for R. Nader, at the very least you can be seen as disaffected from Obama's side, not McCain's. That's gotta be worth something.
Hey, I'm trying to make up my mind. I don't have enough information to do so yet. These blog writings are part of the process.
Steve S: So, let me get this straight. Not only do you not know what Sarah Palin believes, but she doesn't know. And so you support her because you "dig her"? I also not that you refer to her now not just as "Sarah", but as "Our Sarah". With those caps and familiarity I expect to check in on your blog tomorrow and see you referring to her as, "Our Lord and Savior, Sarah Palin".
How closely are you reading my posts, Steve? I've made it perfectly clear that I really like Sarah Palin, but I have reservations about her readiness for the job. The "Our Sarah" stuff is gentle snark, Steve. Don't be so literal-minded.
Daniel- jimmy carter is the wrong example to use as an illustration for respecting someone's core values and judgement. As for Obama, yes he has become very experienced at giving interviews, making speeches, and doing debates. He's been doing it the whole time he's been in the Senate, and precious little else. Is that what you want in a President? A good speechmaker and interviewee?
for many, Obama no matter what will never be qualified. he's black. it's simple. most won't admit the bias to themselves but it's there and it's real. it doesn't matter if he can be a better president. the status quo is more important to maintain than any concern for the country.
I think Rod's off base here. Obama's change is an expansion of the same old Democrat plans that they've been forcing on us for the last 60 years. (Rod doesn't want to talk about Obama's "redistribution of wealth" plans or the other really ugly parts of The One's ideology.)
Almost everyone realizes that we need change in America, the problem is that we haven't had the conversation identifying the problems and the directions. The liberals want to "stop wasting money on Bush's wars", so that they can pay more unionized bureaucrats more money to do less and less.
We need to DRASTICALLY cut the size and scope of government. The only way to provide the really needy with services and stop the waste lies in eliminating the unionized government bureaucracies. The Obamacons only want to expand those bureaucracies until they control every facet of our lives.
Yeah, everyone wants "change" but we have to stop and think about direction. Going Left with Obama just gets us more government and less freedom. McCain is some where close to the center, and he probably lacks the desire to really do what is necessary: to drastically cut the size and scope of government.
But Rod's position is way out in left field.
I don't know why she has to take interviews. After all McCain will be the president.
for many, Obama no matter what will never be qualified. he's black. it's simple. most won't admit the bias to themselves but it's there and it's real. it doesn't matter if he can be a better president. the status quo is more important to maintain than any concern for the country.
I won't vote for either party, but in order of Presidential readiness (let's use political, military and executive accomplishments and experience as our gauge) among the four candidates, here's how I rate them, most ready to least ready:
1.) John McCain 2.) Joe Biden 3.) Sarah Palin 4.) Barack Obama
Obama is at the TOP of the Democrat ticket. Sarah Palin isn't. And she's more ready (not at all), than he is (totally not at all).
Entitlement spending reform? Pass. They're going to cut spending by rooting out -- wait for it -- waste, fraud and abuse. (This year's GOP buzz word for that hoary phrase: "finding efficiencies.")
What do you expect her so say? We're stopping the gravy train for our political contributors?
To poster Marcus:
With all due respect, what a silly comment. We're so racist as a country that Barack Obama is in a relative tie for the presidency? Not to mention, he's NOT black. He's of mixed race. How is it that a white woman who makes a child with a black man automatically has a black child? He could just as easily be called white by this standard. What garbage.
If you want to talk about racism, let's hypothetically replace Barack Obama with Michael Steele. Would Steele even get 50% of the black vote? 40%? Would he be looked at with the same sense of pride? Or would he just be another Tom on Master Bush's plantation?
I feel SO BAD for what my country has turned into.
To anyone who's pissed thinking she was given a rough time by a journalist, a simple question: If Palin finds herself in the oval office a year from now as president just how do you suppose the questions from Putin, et al, are going to be? Are you going to rise up in a collective hissy fit that the world is being, like so totally rude and disrespectful to your gal? I don't give a rat's ass whether the president of the United States relates to me as a person, but I sure as hell care about a basic competence and knowledge beyond the ability to read a speech and cram for an interview like it's some college exam.
Get a grip already. This isn't a game show and the only reason Palin is where she is because McCain knew he was going down fast and put his getting elected first and the country second.
Good point, DBO. I have similar thoughts, though I don't think I'll pass on voting for one of the two parties.
Rod writes: "How closely are you reading my posts, Steve? I've made it perfectly clear that I really like Sarah Palin, but I have reservations about her readiness for the job. The "Our Sarah" stuff is gentle snark, Steve. Don't be so literal-minded."
This is where I really don't get it. You "really like Sarah Palin..." How can you know? At this level there are so many handlers and spinners between us and the politicians that we have no idea who they are. We can like or dislike the image that they portray, but we are kidding ourselves if we believe we are seeing the real person. In the run up to the most recent campaign I received "serial emails" from a member of our church, each of which had some heartwarming story of "W" in "real life", and the tagline was always the same: "I just want you to know what kind of many our president is." Finally I wrote back that I didn't care what kind of man our president was and probably couldn't find out anyway. What was important to me was what kind of president our president was, and in my estimation he pursued the wrong policies incompetently.
It really is the height of naivette to believe we can "know" the candidate, and that's why it so frustrates me that America seems willing to engage in another national beauty contest when there's no way we will see the face behind all the makeup. Do a lot of people make the same mistake concerning Obama? Yes, absolutely, but I am not one of them. I don't find him to be a scintillating orator, I already have a Messiah, thank you very much, so I'm not in need of another, but from what I see and have read he is competent, thoughtful and pragmatic. Interestingly, I think it's the hard left who will feel most betrayed if Obama is elected, because I believe he wants to be effective more than he wants to be "noble", which means he will govern from the center.
Sarah Palin's a nice person, and i am sure a good mom/etc, but iam sorry, I would not want her to run my PTA, much less be president of the US. She has no curiousity, knows less about Iraq, Afghanistan, and in fact the lower 48 than I do, and does not seem to have the intellectual capacity to look at two sides of a story, much less the many that make up to big problems in the world today.
"I know about Russia because you can see it from an island off the coast of Alaska...."
"I didn't blink when McCain offered me the Vicepresidency..."
those are the words of hubris and intellectual inability.
Thanks, i've had 8 years of that with Bush.
Sarah-- drop by some time next week for some coffee-- After you drop off the Republican ticket
John McCain/ Olympia Snowe or Kay Bailey Hutchinson or... anyone competent in 2008
Steve sounds like Peggy Noonan off-mic when she shared with another Repub about the "stupidity of narratives..." or some such New Yorkey put-down. The fact is that Sarah connects on levels more important than the usual backing and hauling that inside-the-Beltway bozos pontificate about endlessly & do nothing about.
The fact that Sarah has some sort of charismatic genius that comes across even in front of a mean-spirited dolt like Gibson really gets the narrative-is-baloney crowd exercised. They can't handle a living example of normality in the crowds of political confections [including the unexamined unvetted silver-tongued Golden One] that hustle us on our screens ceaselessly. She was first-mate on her husband's fishing boat, and if that ain't a Christian trope, I've never seen one.
daveinboca,
Not sure exactly what you mean by "Christian trope" since Palin being 1st mate on her husban's boat is not a literary or rhetorical device, but I'm guessing you mean that makes her some kind of authentic Christian. And I'm assuming, too, that you're claiming her authenticity as a Christian over against the supposed inauthenticity of Obama and perhaps Biden. Maybe so, but Martin Luther once observed that he would prefer to be ruled by a smart Turk than a dumb Christian, and from what I've seen of Gibson's interview (who was, by the way, handpicked by the McCain campaign), Palin is no smart Turk.
Fan of Tom: Who are you to defend the rich?
Exactly. And IMO, someone who shows up at a political convention wearing $250K-plus earrings is someone who's not paying enough taxes.
Steve Sylvester: That is a great post. You said succintly what I have tried to say various ways various places regarding the 'She's (he's) one of us!' endorsements pre and certainly post Palin. Thank you.
Per you comments, in 2000 I had not one but two friends vote fore Bush over McCain because, "He's the kind of guy I'd wanta have a beer with... a regular guy." Well, as Dr. Phil would say, "How's that working for ya."
PS: per your sense of Obama, I concur that is far less liberal than he is currently appearing to appease the Left of his party, just as I believe John McCain will (again) outrage his party's Right once he is inaugerated. Both are Trojan horses per the extreme base of either party. Mark my words. As I have said, Obama knows he was the unplanned pregnancy of a bi-racial student couple. An 18 yr. old mother and black Kenyan student father. In 1961. I repeat-47 years ago in the USA. Do that math. Why is his mother Ann not the poster girl of pro-lifers? Her son who could so easily been a statistic is running for president, What werre THOSE odds even more so than Pailn's down syndrome child being carried to term..
I didn't realise that Americans placed so much stock in interviews conducting by the talking heads. I admit that I wasn't impressed by Palin, but then I haven't been impressed by anything Obama, McCain or Biden has done in an interview. Perhaps Palin is not the conversationalist that Obama is, yet if you read his interviews, they're remarkably similar in depth to Palin's, just more verbose.
There's certainly a lot Palin still needs to do in regards to her PR, but she hasn't misspelled potato just yet. Her answers may have been more laconic than striking, however this is just her first interview. Let's hold our swords until we see more.
Women are sympathetic to Sarah because she is also a mother. But once they figure out they know more about her on foreign policy, they will not entrust their children's lives in her hands.
Women were not excited by Hillary's candidacy simply because she was a woman. It was because she was the smartest candidate around with a deep understanding of the issues. They knew she would work hard.
Palin is just Bush like in her lack of intellectual curiosity.
"I think when she decides what she believes in..."
Ms. Palin is how old, was it 44 (sorry if that's wrong), and she is the Alaska governor, and is the vp nominee, and, um, she hasn't decided what she believes in????
And yet your position still seems to be, well, maybe?
What, exactly, would it take for you to say no?
"I think she makes Hillary Clinton look like a softie."
If she is so tough, why is she hiding from the press?
"I also think that if she makes it to Washington, she's going to be a very, very effective politician. Very effective. I think when she decides what she believes in and wants to achieve, she's not going to stop till she gets it."
Perhaps so! This does not seem like a reason to like her, though, unless you're a conservative who's confident that whatever she decides will be conservative, and that that's mainly what matters. This seemed to be what conservatives had hoped about Bush in 2000, and they were largely right (about what he decided, not about what matters). There were, however, some serious errors that had little to do with ideology and everything to do with competence and seriousness, and these are currently wide-open questions for Palin.
The odd thing about Palin to me is that, despite some serious questions about her leadership style and her interest in policy, she has enthralled--right off the bat--some thoughful, honest conservatives (e.g. Dreher and Douthat) who seem to like her mainly for some vaguely demographic reasons (correct me if I'm wrong): she comes from and embodies some favored demographic, and she supposedly captures some coveted demographic. Which makes me wonder whether Dreher's crunchy conservatism and Douthat's Wal-Mart conservatism are really just high-falutin' forms of pollstering. Honestly, I'm wondering.
I just don't understand her appeal. I was looking here to get some insight, but I still don't get it? She can deliver a line, but when she repeats it nine times in exactly the same way and it also turns out to be stretching the truth, and then can't really respond to a few serious questions as if she's thought about it for more than a week . . . Also, the hunting thing. That's cool, but when she's shooting moose from the air with big military-style rifles, there's something gruesome about it.
I just wonder. I don't feel it in the gut. What is it that everyone else feels? Or is this something demographic specific?
She's as shallow as many of us suspected she was. Her past shows she's petty and vindictive when people don't agree with her. She said she didn't hesitate to accept McCain's VP offer; I can't believe with a newborn, a pregnant daughter, Troopergate and her sub-par performance as mayor of an Alaskan outpost, she didn't give it even a little thought. Poor judgment. Personally, I think she's in over her head as governor of Alaska and has made enemies on both sides of the aisle. I think her rise to governor was a fluke, a combination of Alaskan quirky politics and people tired of the same old politicians. May she fade as quickly as Jack Kemp did. (I agree with Socrates; Hillary Clinton would never hide from the press. Palin is more of a chihuahua than pit bull. Arf. Arf.)
Hmmmm, you say. Is that all. The possibility of her being president scares me to death, mostly because she is so shallow. Everything coming out of her mouth is scripted; she certainly is no intellectual. (I still believe the presidency or the position next to it should be reserved for our best and brightest.) As governor of Alaska, she's in over her head and I'm waiting for her approval rating in that state to plummet. She does well with people who don't know her. But those she works with find her petty and vindictive. Even her mother-in-law leans toward voting for Obama. This is nothing but another beauty pageant contest for Palin. She doesn't care two licks about the American people. And Socrates is right. If she is so tough, why does she hide from the press, content to trot behind McCain and his handlers on a short leash. A pit bull? She's more like a chihuahua. Arf. Arf.
Rod, you do know what the answer is. There isn't really a "hmmm".
Sarah Palin will make an excellent tool of the people who have been running our country for the past 8 years, once they finish destroying McCain by stressing him to death for any remaining independence that he shows.
This choice of Palin was the thing that finally pushed me to vote for Obama rather than writing in "Hillary." I believe Palin lacks the elementary knowledge to run our country, and would likely get us into new wars with Russia, Iran and Pakistan.
MCCAIN DIDN'T CHECK THIS WOMAN OUT WHICH SHOULD TELL EVERYONE
WHAT KIND OF PRESIDENT HE WOULD BE. WITH 8 YEARS OF GEORGE
BUSH EVERYTHING IS FALLING APART. VOTE FOR OBAMA IS THE
ONLY ANSWER.
You want to have a vindictive person who has not mastered state policies, spends enormous amounts of time away from the capital city (at home, on the state's tab), and who places unqualified cronies and childhood friends in positions of authority as your governor?
Why???
I can't believe how low of a bar we have set for our PRESIDENTIAL elections. Those sympathetic to her keep harping on how "personable" she is and how she shares their values. Is this what we come to look for now. How pathetic and sad. If Oscar the Grouch could balance a budget, finish a war, fix health care and clean up Wall St i'd vote for the bastard. The ultra far right has managed to turn our elections into who we would want coaching out little league teams.
Palin is ok on guns, but that's about it. Palin is a slightly more articulate George Bush. And her apparent masters at AEI and AIPAC scare the hell out of me.
McCain made a huge mistake not picking someone with economic credibility, like Mitt Romney.
Sorry, I will be voting for Obama. He is clearly a sane person, and my taxes are going to go up anyway, so better write the checks and not have to worry about World War III.
I don't know about you all but I certainly want to, you know, LIVE! Can anyone with a brain in their head watch this woman in action and believe for an instant that she's qualified to be VP of the freaking United States of America? There's only one sane response to the offer that McCain has put on the table with this reckless selection. And that, my friends, is WTF? "We can see Russia from certain parts of Alaska" says it all. Why don't those of you who love her so, follow her on back to Alaska, secede & put a crown on her empty demagogic head, and let the rest of us get on with the business of trying to save the Republic?
"I think when she decides what she believes in and wants to achieve, she's not going to stop till she gets it."
Let me echo Socrates that the above comment really gets to the heart of the matter. Rod Dreher and others went hog wild over Sarah Palin without knowing a damn thing about her or having the slightest idea if she could handle the job of Vice-President, let alone President.
For someone to suggest that a 44 year old politician still has to decide "what she believes in and wants to achieve", and yet still consider putting that person a 72 year old cancer survivor's heartbeat away from the Presidency is irrational to an almost clinical extent.
Mike
Mr. Dreher,
I admire you for reserving judgement about her, but it's not about her-its about him. I think it says a lot about how little McCain actually values what women have to offer when he selects as his running mate someone who is obviously out of her depth on national issues and is the ultimate republican pin-up girl. He could have show women some respect by selecting one of our best and brightest, but he didn't.
Kirk said:
"If anyone had asked Obama specific questions like they asked Palin, we might not have a close race right now. I have yet to hear Obama lay out a specific plan for anything. Hope is not a strategy."
I think the problem is you don't want to hear the answers.
I have been less than excited about Palin since the announcement, and her interview only confirmed my suspicions. I think the McCain campaign will still figure a way to use her in winning ways on the trail. Having her face scrutiny from the press is definitely not one of them!
Please, Steve Schmidt, keep her hidden from everyone but People Magazine. It is embarassing for those of us who care about whether our leaders are well-versed on "the issues."
Question: are mayors/governors really so busy as to not have time to read the newspapers? I don't expect them all to be full-on policy wonks, but I feel that I could have given better answers to Gibson's questions, and I work in insurance. I hope this isn't a case of another incurious executive like Bush.
I think Torie Clarke got it exactly right. The endless repetition of canned answers is not helping Palin. One of the endearing things about hockey (and soccer) moms is that they don't sound scripted. For good or bad, they're authentic. She sounded like a robot! Or, even worse, a puppet! While watching the interview, I actually starting to feel sorry for her because I'm afraid that McCain will end up destroying what looked to be a very promising political career. What a shame.
The only way America can fix itself now is by steering with reason as opposed to emotion. We already had 8 years of someone we "liked" and "wanted to have a beer with." It may be time for the electorate to wake up to the reality that good governing and backyeard bar-b-ques call on slightly different skill sets.
The only way America can fix itself now is by steering with reason as opposed to emotion. We already had 8 years of someone we "liked" and "wanted to have a beer with." It may be time for the electorate to wake up to the reality that good governing and backyard bar-b-ques call on slightly different skill sets.
Chris,
Wow just wow. Obama does not have concrete plans. Thats just lazy. Look at his website. His policy papers are much more detailed than McCain's. There are reasons not to like Obama, thats not one of them.
A few months ago I searched the Library of Congress website for all bills Obama sponsored in 2007. This is what I came up with. I should add that these are only the bills he passed. I also noted how they were passed. There were no roll call votes.
The fact that all of his co-sponsored bills passed with unanimous consent is a powerful testament to his principled positions and persuasive oratory.
S.CON.RES.25: A concurrent resolution condemning the recent violent actions of the Government of Zimbabwe against peaceful opposition party activists and members of civil society. ? Unanimous Consent
S.RES.133: A resolution celebrating the life of Bishop Gilbert Earl Patterson. - UC
S.RES.268: A resolution designating July 12, 2007, as "National Summer Learning Day". - UC
S.AMDT.41 to S.1 "Legislative Transparency and Accountability Act of 2007" - AMENDMENT PURPOSE: To require lobbyists to disclose the candidates, leadership PACs, or political parties for whom they collect or arrange contributions, and the aggregate amount of the contributions collected or arranged. ? Unanimous Consent
S.AMDT.524 to S.CON.RES.21 - AMENDMENT PURPOSE: To provide $100 million for the Summer Term Education Program supporting summer learning opportunities for low-income students in the early grades to lessen summer learning losses that contribute to the achievement gaps separating low-income students from their middle-class peers. ? Unanimous Consent
S.AMDT.599 to S.CON.RES.21 - AMENDMENT PURPOSE: To add $200 million for Function 270 (Energy) for the demonstration and monitoring of carbon capture and sequestration technology by the Department of Energy - Unanimous Consent.
S.AMDT.905 to S.761 - AMENDMENT PURPOSE: To require the Director of Mathematics, Science, and Engineering Education to establish a program to recruit and provide mentors for women and underrepresented minorities who are interested in careers in mathematics, science, and engineering -? Unanimous Consent.
S.AMDT.923 to S.761 - AMENDMENT PURPOSE: To expand the pipeline of individuals entering the science, technology, engineering, and mathematics fields to support United States innovation and competitiveness - Unanimous Consent.
S.AMDT.924 to S.761 - AMENDMENT PURPOSE: To establish summer term education programs - Unanimous Consent.
S.AMDT.1041 to S.1082 - AMENDMENT PURPOSE: To improve the safety and efficacy of genetic tests - Unanimous Consent.
S.AMDT.2519 to H.R.2638, S.AMDT.2383 - AMENDMENT PURPOSE: To provide that one of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5 million or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee certifies in writing to the agency awarding the contract or grant that the contractor or grantee owes no past due Federal tax liability. - Unanimous Consent.
S.AMDT.2588 to H.R.976, S.AMDT.2530 - AMENDMENT PURPOSE: To provide certain employment protections for family members who are caring for members of the Armed Forces recovering from illnesses and injuries incurred on active duty - Unanimous Consent.
S.AMDT.2658 to H.R.2642 - AMENDMENT PURPOSE: To provide that none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5,000,000 or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee makes certain certifications regarding Federal tax liability - Voice Vote.
S.AMDT.2692 to H.R.2764 - AMENDMENT PURPOSE: To require a comprehensive nuclear threat reduction and security plan - Unanimous Consent.
S.AMDT.2799 to H.R.3074 - AMENDMENT PURPOSE: To provide that none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5,000,000 or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee makes certain certifications regarding Federal tax liability - Voice Vote.
S.AMDT.3073 to H.R.1585, S.AMDT.2011 - AMENDMENT PURPOSE: To provide for transparency and accountability in military and security contracting - Unanimous Consent.
S.AMDT.3078 to H.R.1585, S.AMDT.2011 - AMENDMENT PURPOSE: Relating to administrative separations of members of the Armed Forces for personality disorder -Unanimous Consent.
S.AMDT.3137 to H.R.3222 - AMENDMENT PURPOSE: To provide that none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5,000,000 or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee makes certain certifications regarding Federal tax liability. - Unanimous Consent.
S.AMDT.3234 to H.R.3093 - AMENDMENT PURPOSE: To provide that none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5,000,000 or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee makes certain certifications regarding Federal tax liability - Voice Vote.
S.AMDT.3331 to H.R.3043, S.AMDT.3325 - AMENDMENT PURPOSE: To provide that none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5,000,000 or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee makes certain certifications regarding Federal tax liability - Unanimous Consent.
Despite the downgrading during the current election cycle of what used to be one of McCain's biggest assets, honesty, I still believe that behind it all, he is decidedly a fine person. However, fundamentally, Palin is a horribly unacceptable choice for governing this great nation in its vast complexity. Secondly, also fundamentally, the abuse of power we have seen by the administration in recent years, well intended or not, must go punished at the polls, as long as the alternative is at all reasonable. In this case, Obama is clearly a reasonable choice. As much as we may disagree with some policies, democracy demands that there be consequences to the disgrace of the last powers-that-were.
Oh come on. What ridiculous charge about Obama's record. It is valid for us to disagree with what he wants to accomplish with those changes, but can anyone with a straight face claim that the guy is anything but energetic, intelligent, well intent? What is this, intellectual kindergarten?
Sarah Palin seems unclear as to how much American energy is delivered from Alaska, either that or she is to put it nicely exagerating beyond hyperbole. She knows so little about the middle East that just weeks ago whe was wondering whether or not God had a plan for there. Her ideas about Russia and Georgia are cribbed from a lobbyist for the nation of Georgia. She seems unclear about the boundaries between personal and political in government hirings and firings, which given the scandals at the justice department, should give everyone pause. She is blatantly ignorant about matters of science, and which of our allies or rivals such as Russia and China as matter of national security would have their second in command so woefully ignorant. Yes, it's true she has capitalized on socializing the state oil industry, but in fact that has been at expense of American taxpayers in the other 49 at the pump. Conservatives need to stop being so bound to their ideology and identity politic desire for power, and really in fact put our country first, rather than simply hiding behind its symbols.
Keep picking with your heart and well be second class to China in no time at all.
It amazes me that a large section of us Americans can continually blind ourselves to the shallow nature of those who we pick to govern our country...all in the name of some personal values that they apparently feel are worth throwing the greater greatness of America away (or maybe they just are so focused on their values they cant see the forest from the saplings).
People have to realize that there will never be an America that fits all of your personal values exactly. There is a ton of grey out in the world. So tool up for the reality of the new world and start doing whats best for the greater America (instead of just you and your values) or keep electing these obvious incapable politicians and keep watching America's slow global slide.
I'm intrigued by McCain's claim that Palin knows more about energy than anyone else in the country. Is that credible to ANYONE, even if you want to think he meant to limit it to governors? After all, Gov. Richardson was Secretary of Energy, wasn't he? Gov. Palin's career was mostly as mayor of Wassila, a town half the size of my town in New Jersey where the local mayor's real job is that he owns a glass factory. Gov. Murkowski appointed her to a $120,000/yr sinecure on the energy board but she was a very short timer there and her focus was on advancing her political career by attacking the state GOP in order to present herself as a reformer.
She can't be any kind of energy expert if she could think for one second that Alaska provides 20% of US energy needs. (And neither can McCain, who repeated it, be an energy expert.) Truly, its a bizarre claim.
One more thing about her answer on abortion. Personally, I oppose recriminalizing abortion but what does it mean to people who want to do "something" (at this point I'm not sure what) when she says "I choose life" and that she "respects" other views? 35 years of hearing about abortion as an election issue, I don't know what it means after hearing "Pro Life Princess" Sarah Palin.
If Roe v Wade is overturned and it "gets sent back to the states," abortion will be legal in most states and anyone who wants to have an abortion can drive to a legal state or take a bus. Is that OK with McCain/Palin? Is that the end of it?
God, you're an idiot-
I'm sick at heart. It isn't the lack of knowledge -- that, alone, could be remedied. (Ignorance is not stupidity.) But the lack of curiosity or concern; the lack of an instinct to actually think before she talks or makes decisions; the lack of any sense of the 'big picture' so that at least her best guesses are informed ones so they land in the area of concern if not on target; the tendency to bluff and stick with that bluff tenaciously.) I wouldn't hire her for a job in my office, at least not one that carries any power or responsibility --- I very much don't want my children and grandchildren's future in the hands of someone so unfitted for real power. ----------- Even those who quibble with Obama's much, much more substantive background (and much more suitable mind), there is some certainty about the people he would be working with, both Dem and Rep. Who is 'behind' Sarah Palin? I doubt it's John McCain alone, based on just one conversation with her. Someone has to be telling him she's a maverick and a reformer, which it's becoming clear the is NOT. His reckless, irresponsible choice of a running-made has lost my vote.
That McCain was so easily "resurrected", so swiftly, by the appearance of Sarah Palin speaks volumes about the mindset of the self-described Republicans/conservatives. That THE BASE is so energized with her selection, without truly knowing her temperament and suitability, to me actually indicates why this country is in such bad shape! We need the citizenry to take a deep breath and THINK and CONSIDER, instead of enjoying the shiny and new, foisted on us at the last minute and packaged up with multiple handlers. This is not American Idol, folks. We are going to be duped again; I have yet to hear anything of substance coming out of the McCain/Palin campaign which connects with reality. American politics is truly in a a sorry state. God help us.
Really? I don't think God is an idiot.
By the way on the fraud and abuse front in government--we had a Vice President who really did root out such things--his name was Al Gore. Yes, I know you conservatives hate him, but in black and white, he shrunk wasteful federal government agencies. On the other hand the current Republican can hardly claim such financial sagacity on behalf of the American taxpayer. Republicans and conservatives talk about fiscal responsibility, but Democrats actually do something about it, while rather than investing in the wealthiest and corporate welfare, investing the taxpayer's money in the common good for the majority of us. Look at the economies of the Bushes. Look at the deficits under the administrations of Saint Ronnie--prince of deregulation--ah, the banking industry is knock, knock, knocking at your door, Bush I, Bush II. Conservatism: a sawbuck for Joe and Jill America, Fort Knox for the upper two percent. Own your failures; it really is time for a change.
Colm from Canada said:
"There's certainly a lot Palin still needs to do in regards to her PR, but she hasn't misspelled potato just yet. Her answers may have been more laconic than striking, however this is just her first interview. Let's hold our swords until we see more."
The very fact that she has not made herself available to answer questions on this country's behalf is exactly the problem. It's insulting. We don't know this woman. We have less than two months.
She said she didn't even blink when McCain offered the VP slot. Ok, well then get out there and speak directly to us proving your worthy of our trust. The other three candidates have been interviewed ad nauseum throughout the years. We need to hear specifics on how and what she and Mr. McCain will do to get this country back on track. Her past record in Alaska is irrelevant at this point. She has only given us one embarrassingly unprepared interview littered with awkward generalizations. You can put a positive spin around her one performance but let's be realistic here. She seems like a lovely woman but even Helen Keller would have been frantically finger-spelling, "Dear God, this person is in way over her head!"
With less than two months, she needs to be in front of us every single day answering tough questions and articulating clearly the McCain/Palin solutions for our struggling nation. She needs to prove she is worthy to be second in command. Isn't that just common sense? To suggest otherwise is outrageous and self-defeating. We deserve so much better. Wake up.
There is no mystery at all about why Palin could not give "deeper" responses to question about the economy. The McCain campaign has absolutely no serious economic policy proposals. None at all. Therefore, they can prep her until the cows come home and it will still sound like drivel. If the U.S. electorate chooses McCain/Palin they will have no one to blame but themselves for ignoring the economy as the over-riding issue in this election. We want someone who "shares our values"? How about someone who is serious about governing. Obama has shown such seriousness, McCain has not.
Her attitude is great and I'd love for her to be the coach of my daughter's softball team, but her lack of policy knowledge (which was brought to light most dramatically by the Bush Doctrine question) is truly alarming. Actually, it's worse than a lack of knowledge - it's an apparent lack of interest. If she isn't able to be conversant with a news anchor about a critical element of America's foreign policy, how would she handle it if she became President and a crisis arose? Would she even understand what had caused the crisis in the first place?
"That McCain was so easily "resurrected", so swiftly, by the appearance of Sarah Palin speaks volumes about the mindset of the self-described Republicans/conservatives."
It also says volumes about Barack Obama that adding someone as manifestly unqualified as Sarah Palin could so dramatically shift the race McCain's way.
Obama has a lot of work to do. His talk of change is too vague and fuzzy, his Rezko-Ayers-Wright connections too conveniently dismissed. Does anyone really believe a Chicago pol will do away with influence-peddling?
"If Fascism Comes to America, It Will Be Wrapped in the Flag, Carrying the Cross." "That McCain was so easily "resurrected", is purely a function of adding the cross to the flag. It's that base, not Obama's lithe grace that conservatives at their own peril mistake for lack of substance and qualification. His change is more detailed than anyone since Clinton, but people who complain don't look. On the other hand McCain and Palin have--what details exactly? Tell me whose heads in the Republican Party will roll? The Delay crowd who partied all weekenc in St. Paul before the convention? Will there be a change in the Justice Department overseen by Governor Palin who insofar as anyone can tell doesn't just think hiring and firing should be based on electoral politics rather than competence, but personal vendettas rather than politics. Obama is not perfect, to be sure, and like Palin, he actually did take on the orthodoxy of his party in Chicago, only before it was popular to do so. His Rezco mistake can't be overlooked, but compared to the Keating 5 at the beginning of McCain's career, well, just how many banking deregulation scandals are you willing to put up with? And insofar as influence peddling, McCain has one of his chief campaign advisors a man who was recently a lobbyist for a foreign nation, whose influence comes right out of the mouth of Sarah Palin when she makes the astounding speculation that we may go to war with Russia. If you want to bring up Ayers and Wright, then we'll have to rehash the whole Viet Nam thing--do you really? because before Iraq it has been adjudicated by history as America's biggest foreigh policy debacle, which can be placed at the feet of both Democrats and Republicans; Ayers and the weathermen were widely renounced by members of the anti war movement, but his existence is contextualized by Goldwater's claim that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice on the right and Malcolm X's by any means necessary on the left. What's more it's been decades since the Viet Nam war; folks change. And Wright--at leaste his anger and bitterness may be better understood by the context of the plight of his pastorage, but my goodness, a serious investigation of the scarier aspects of Sarah Palin's ministry should fright the bejeebers out of any clearthinking independent. These people welcome a speaker who on religious grounds says that Palestinian terrorist attacks are God's way of punishing the Jews for failing to convert to Christianity.
Sarah Palin is a liar. Check out Andrew Sullivan's Daily Dish. His list of Palin's outright lies (with the proof to back him) grows longer every day. How can you possibly "like" this person? And since when is being likeable a strong enough qualification for governor, much less vice president? Because, let's face it, Palin's "likeability" (and that's in the eye of the beholder) is the only qualification she has.
palin is appealing but she has lied through her teeth. unlike bill clinton she hasn't created enough fog for plausible deniability.
anyway can someone please explain this nonsense of only being comfortable with a pol if we can drink with them. admittedly obama is a bit on the dry side(like bill clinton) but should a person be forced to play down their stellar academic achievements as he is?
Does "Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness" mean anything to you? You seem bewitched by a charming exterior. Did you know that the police chief she fired (as Mayor---it's hard to keep all the firings straight)she DENIED firing? He showed a reporter a letter of termination she sent him.
She doesn't listen to anything she doesn't want to hear, she fires experts and hires yes-people: we're looking at a repeat of the last eight years of incompetence, because that behavior leads nowhere else. That's not a matter of party. That's a matter of sense. I wouldn't call it common sense, because it isn't common any more.
I agree with one poster here that Sarah Palin is charming, affable and definitely a woman you would enjoy sitting down and having a good girl talk with. That said, I don't believe she's VP material.
As for the fact that Obama's support seems weak in light of the gains made by the McCain campaign, it is a miracle that Obama was in the lead. Remember, Democrats nominated a black guy named Barack Hussein Obama.
I believe the McCain/Palin ticket has peaked and will slowly begin to deflate. As Palin's troopergate comes to the fore, the debates begin and we all realize, sadly, that however much we may like Sarah Palin, electing her VP is not the appropriate way to show it. This is not American Idol.
As a woman I'm kind of offended that McCain tried to buy my vote... couldn't he have selected a QUALIFIED female candidate for VP? I mean, it's like he chose someone mostly because they look pretty... He did it once before in his personal, which I don't care about, but this election will be a reflection on the soul of America, and I want MORE than just a Sarah Palin, thank you very much. I just wish they'd stop with the lies. It makes them look bad. And no, sorry, kind of running a house full of kids is not the same as having enough experience to run the country.
You "dig" her? What puerile nonsense. Do you have values, ideas? Or you'll just vote for any skirt out there, as long as its not Hilary Clinton. This is the problem with being a right-wing tool; the marching orders are so quickly and drastically countermanded, it's hard to know what the slogan of the day is.
The bottom line is this, how can we trust McCain's judgement as President when an example of his judgement is choosing Sarah Palin? His callous disregard to who's hands he may be placing the country in immediately disqualifies him for the highest post in the country, and this Republican clap-trap about her having more "executive" experience than Barack Obama is ludicrous. The proof is in the pudding, for almost 2 years Barack Obama has managed and organized one of the most well-run campaigns in history, this is why he beat Hillary. McCain's camp has been inconsistent with message, has had drastic changes in internal staff and has a chronic problem with telling the truth or giving any clear description of how a McCain administration would differ from the last eight years.
It's come to a point that I can barely listen to any more platitudes or empty rhetoric from John McCain or his cronies, and I'm tired of being spoken to like an idiot. This isn't about party loyalty and it can't be about minor philosophical differences, and yes abortion, gay marriage and gun control are minor issues in the big picture and they have no business being the lynch-pin by which any thoughtful person bases such a decision. If the prospect of a Sarah Palin presidency doesn't scare the heck out of you, then you must have been asleep for the last eight years.
Talk about patronizing. Since when is the criteria for judging a candidate for office whether she is "enjoyable" and "appealing"? It's great that you "want her to do better," kind of like a nice girl trying out for the soccer team. But come on. Why are you "enthusiastic" about a candidate you know nothing about? Just because she's on your team?
The bizarre and slavish reaction to Palin from the far right shows what happens when you inject the faith that should be reserved for matters of -- well, faith -- into the political arena. That nagging feeling you are sensing is your judgment. Use it before it is too late.
The hypocrisy and cynicism of Palin supporters is shocking, and, to my mind sadly anti- American. It is obvious to anyone with a modicum of intelligence that she is woefully unprepared for any public office, especially that of vice president. By stubbornly clinging to the idea that her "spunky" personality is enough to possibly lead this nation, you reveal the inherent desperation behind the Republican machine. All the pundits defending her should be ashamed, and they absolutely know better, but the fact is, the wealthy elite of the party have always used the middle of the country to get them elected, then to send their children to fight their oil wars for them. They shamelessly trade on the patriotism of these people, and continue to lower the ethical bar. Watching the Republican convention was like watching a rally in Berlin in the 1930's, and one wonders what might have been said if no cameras were watching. Mocking community organizing? Barely veiled racism, and homophobia under the banner of God and Country? Wake up America! Make this a country to raise children in again. You cannot be an agent of change when the same machine that got Bush elected is running your campaign, at least be honest about your fascism! Have a little
honor. Keep God in Church and Truth in Politics! God Bless America!
hmmm, the cult of personality as election tool. "I like her, so I wish she was my leader." I guess that's the "low information" voting bloc speaking. infantile.
and BTW, anyone who still believes in the Mr. Smith Goes To Washington myth, that sarah palin will charge into washington and change things from the ground up, is a fool. her vast experience, executive or otherwise, does not support this delusion. she has made friends with the thousands of alaskans who receive
annual payouts, $33oo.oo this year!, enemies of almost everyone else.
I feel that besides a gaping hole in knowledge about everything Non-Alaska, she is hugely lacking in the integrity department (which McCain at least had some in his past life) and that is a huge factor for me, especially after the past 7 or so years. "Hold me accountable" - next thing you know, lawyers and lawsuits - if you've nothing to hide, why refuse the cooperation that you promised to give to your BIPARTISAN legislative council (8 Republicans, 4 Democrats). And for God's sake, quit repeating debunked lies over and over and over again! It really is embarrassing. And if I have to hear one more time that you can see Russia from Alaska as proof of foreign policy experience.. honestly, amusing at first to hear from Cindy but then downright frightening to hear it repeated by political pundits (as in, 'you were serious about that?') and most definitely, very insulting to anyone with half a brain.
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