Palin debacle on CBS Evening News
Watch the Couric interview here. Couric's questions are straightforward and responsible. Palin is mediocre, again, regurgitating talking points mechanically, not thinking. Palin's just babbling. She makes George W. Bush sound like Cicero. This is one of the more coherent passages:...
Doesn't sound like Palin did at all well, so I'm not defending that performance. But Couric's approach was totally rigged and loaded: not supporting "more regulation" implicitly equals not doing anything about the problem. THAT's what Gov. Palin should have addressed. Indeed, a smart interviewee would have knocked that right out of the park.
I'm not going to defend Palin's bumbling here, but I will say that "I don't have the answer right now off the top of my head, but let me go check and get back to you" is one of the stock training answers any good PR practitioner will recommend to a CEO for a TV interview. Rather than wing it and pretend to know the answer, you're supposed to candidly admit when you don't and then say "And I'll get back to you." Then of course you do get back to the reporter with specifics.
Now lets ask Joe Biden the equivalent questions about Obama.
Palin was terrible. Most of the time, I couldn't understand what she was talking about (maybe because she was blathering on and not really saying anything). I noticed she has a hard time making complete sentences.
Any wonder that a recent poll shows that Alaskans think Biden is more qualified than Palin. She's not stupid, just incredibly green. No wonder they are scared to death to let the press loose on her.
Nice decision by McCain............he's not a maverick, he's an oddball contrarian who's ridden the bad luck of getting captured in Vietnam into a political career.
He's starting to look like this year's version of Bob Dole, hoping that sympathy for his misfortunes in wartime is somehow going to carry him to victory.
Nice try, pentamom. The questions were straightforward. Couric asked for some specific examples from a 26 year career. Palin could not provide any other than the recent example cited by Couric.
Face it...she blew it. Period. End of sentence. This is not Couric's fault. It is not media bias. It is an unprepared and inexperienced person placed into a position that she is not qualified for.
Well put pentamom. Couric wanted to hammer Palin on an issue she didn't have specifics on, but Couric left herself open by placing her own opinion into the question. Palin cannot even parry well.
Remember when Giuliani crushed that Iowa liberal reporter during the GOP debate because he assumed that taxes must be raised to pay for infrastructure.
Palin did not know what she should have. And, unlike Obama and Biden, cannot cover up her ignorance with evasive and meaningless blathering because she's doesn't have that political "skill."
I'm not sure that's a bad thing. Would you rather have an ignorant person who can weasel out of it, or an ignorant person who can't?
I forgot to mention this, but of course no one points out that the Commerce Committee doesn't deal with Finance and Banking regulation. It deals with aviation, highways, maritime and other issues.
It's too bad Katie Couric doesn't know what she's talking about either.
I'm not sure that's a bad thing. Would you rather have an ignorant person who can weasel out of it, or an ignorant person who can't?
Posted by: Albert | September 25, 2008 1:02 PM
I'd rather not have an ignorant person as VP in the first place.
Look for the video of the interview. The transcript does not do justice to how strongly Palin comes across as being unprepared for the job of VP.
I'm not sure that's a bad thing. Would you rather have an ignorant person who can weasel out of it, or an ignorant person who can't?
Why can't we just have someone who isn't ignorant or a weasel?
Maybe Palin should have known some concrete details...
I call bullshit on Couric.
Let's see her drill Obama to give examples of his own concrete action. Would she hit him the same question 4 times in a row? No freaking way. She would have accepted his meaningless blather and moved on to the next question.
What a load of biased coverage!
I'd rather not have an ignorant person as VP in the first place.
Posted by: John E. - Agn. Stoic | September 25, 2008 1:07 PM
Well then it's too bad you don't have that choice, isn't it?
Why can't we just have someone who isn't ignorant or a weasel?
Posted by: | September 25, 2008 1:08 PM
Uh... because those people usually don't go into politics, because the American people didn't vote that way, because our political culture sucks, because the federal government has no accountability, because of intrinsic structural weaknesses in democracy, because......
"Marge, don't discourage the boy! Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals! Except the weasel."
-- Homer Simpson
I agree with Rod. Palin isn't stupid, just in way over her head, which is why, IMO, Lindsay Graham proposed slotting this Friday's scheduled Presidential debate into next Thursday's scheduled Vice Presidential debate, and postponing the Vice Presidential debate.
As I said elsewhere they probably want to give Palin more time to cram, but in all likelihood she could need months or years to get up to speed, not a couple of weeks.
Re: her comments about McCain, her only specific examples of his urging more regulatory oversight was of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, correct? So, if he is so concerned about these two institutions why has his campaign manager, Rick Davis, been receiving $15,000 a week to lobby on behalf of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac?
We *have* seen Obama drilled. How many primary debates were there? Not all of those debates were led by the suck-up left wing media. And we've seen Obama go head to head with Hillary, and come out a winner.
Those who love Palin, will love her, and some of those will be willfully blind. But like Rod and Douthat, those who take a good hard look will see someone who is seriously out of her depth.
McCain isn't a maverick; he's a reckless hack.
I don’t think people get this. Couric wants to completely reduce McCain’s regulation effort in 2005 to trivial status. “Other than” that? Why “other” than? Why must McCain have multiple examples of regulation when the 2005 bill would have prevented the current crisis? Palin was correct to come back and call it “paramount”. And why should Palin know all of McCain’s legislative history? (Disclaimer: I’m not a McCain supporter.)
Poster Patrick is right that the media would never drill Obama or Biden 4 times in a row with the same question.
I think this interview is a good, piping-hot serving of crow, especially for those who most vigorously defended Palin in the first days after announcement of her candidacy. Enjoy!
"I'll try to find you some examples and get back to you", she said on national TV.
I give you the next VP USA -- I hope not!
Yes, Couric is obviously biased, but guess what? That's the lay of the land. The press in this country leans left, so the VP pick ought to be able to deal with that. That she wasn't again shows the depths of McCain's recklessness.
In Obama's defense, he did show up for a long interview with Bill O'Reilly, so he hasn't been ducking out entirely .
I think that this is the beginning of the end for McCain.
Yeah one bad night totally justifies the faulknerian caricatures and personal attacks on Palin's family.
Barack for President versus Sarah for Vice-President.
Inexperienced versus inexperienced.
In over his head versus in over her head.
Can't speak intelligibly or intelligently versus can't speak intelligibly or intelligently.
Supporters swoon for him versus supporters swoon for her.
Party loyalists defend and deflect his every fault and failing versus party loyalists defend and deflect her every fault and failing.
- - -
I for one am sure glad we have a clear choice come November 4.
The point of this interview seems to be to come up with as many "gotcha" moments as possible. Is there any reason to think that any other candidate with limited experience in Congress would be able to recite legislative history on demand like that? Honestly, I don't think I've ever seen anyone else interviewed in quite this way before.
And why should Palin know all of McCain’s legislative history?
She doesn't need to know every detail, but she should be able to provide more than one example on this issue, since it is the burning issue of the day.
Nice try, what? I said it wasn't a good performance. That doesn't make it any less true that Couric's buried premise that addressing the problem could ONLY be defined as proposing more regulatory legislation was fallacious.
But Palin should have been able to address it.
Sarah Palin is part of the big scheme called "dumbing down America". Please, USA, do not compare a man who has taught U.S.Constitution in the same breath with Palin. She is an insult to intelligent women and the country.
It was pretty bad. Fortunately for Sarah, it was on the CBS Evening News, so nobody saw it. 8-)
I don't know what dismays me more in this critical juncture; Palin's clearly unpreparedness or her knee-jerk defenders either making excuses for her or attacking those who interview (Gibson, Couric) her as if Palin was unfairly victimized.
It has been refreshing in a sordid way watching Rod's 'the drinks are on me' RNC convention euphoria tempered (as in blunted to a cube) with objective reflection in response to an apparent pattern of GOP handlers shielding Palin and/or acting as though any disappointments re: Palin are a de facto attack upon family/down home American values by predatory elites.
Do I wish Palin was better than expected? You bet! Do I wish that others would be so forthright as Rod? Absolutely. Why on earth would any caring American at this point want a woman in her position to be an under-performing lightweight embarrassment?
In fact the drip-by-drip revelations of who Palin actually is…. vs. what she is to whomever/wherever… is becoming an impossible chasm defense by anyone with an honest heart and an open mind. The cries of foul from the Right are by now more transparent than a back lit chiffon nightgown. As were the initial attacks from the outraged and out maneuvered Left.
Elmo, I understand how upsetting and unfair those attacks on Palin and her family are, however, it seems to me that you are lumping everyone who criticizes Palin, for any reason, with those who totally "disrespect" her and her family. Equally unfair.
Patrick T. says he "calls B.S. on Couric." Is the only "fair" attitude towards Palin by a journalist an attitude of fawning servility? Or is it fair to hold her to the standards we ought hold our Vice Presidents to?
Rawlins Gilliland: The cries of foul from the Right are by now more transparent than a back lit chiffon nightgown.
Love the metaphor! It's like something from a hardboiled P.I. novel! It's great!
Katie asked her the same question four times because Palin didn't /answer/ the question the first three times.
Now, if you can find an example of an unanswered question that is caught as not being answered, where they dropped it after, say, not answering it again, then you might have a point.
If she answered it, they didn't like the answer, and continued to ask, there might be a point.
But asking a question over again because the interviewee repeatedly doesn't ANSWER the question, that's hardly 'BS'. That's not accepting an unrelated platitude (repeating the very assertion that they wanted an example to verify, or repeating the very example Katie gave in the first place) as an answer.
Which is what journalism is supposed to do.
If you asked Obama about specific bills that Biden has supported over his last 20-something years in Congress before Obama's arrival, he wouldn't know the answer either. That's just more bs, gotcha-style politics masquerading as an interview.
I thought she was a pitbull? I thought Palin was the attack dog?
Or is she just a lapdog?
ROD D.: "SHE IS A SUPERSTAR."
"Well, Sarah Palin has done it. She's taken a hell of a beating in the past few days, and she came out tonight and returned fire with astonishing poise and good cheer, and took the fight hard to her opponents. I cannot recall being so impressed by the promise of a politician's speech since Barack Obama's debut at the 2004 Democratic Convention. After this week, it's hard to speak with serene confidence, but as of tonight, Sarah Palin made it clear that she is a superstar. The Republicans have found their Obama. Game on."
http://blog.beliefnet.com/crunchycon/2008/09/palin-yes-she-can.html
My, how times have changed. It seems like this was written only a couple of weeks ago. Oh, wait.
Yeah, I'm a sarcastic SOB. But hey, McCain's got a few traits worth emulating.
Doug
I told you Palin was an idiot. But Biden is certainly no better.
This may be the first election in US history where the contest for VP is a race to find out who has the lowest IQ.
If Obama was in an interview, specifically defending Biden as an 'economic reformer', then Couric would be perfectly right to ask, and he'd better be able to give specifics in his answer.
This was not a 'gotcha'. It was the subject of the interview, it was in response to a, well, constantly repeated refrain Palin was giving, and Palin only needed to come equipped with a few examples to have avoided all of this.
It is hardly unexpected that, in an interview, if you make a claim, they might ask you to support it. The question didn't exactly come out of the blue.
So, yes. If Obama CAME to an interview about the economy, and specifically talked about Biden's role as some kind of legislative reformer, I would fully expect that, with that kind of heads up, he would definitely be able to come up with an example or two when challenged.
Which is considerably different from having to ask questions about specific bills from the last 20 years. That wasn't the question. Palin was being allowed to come up with something, ANYTHING from any time in McCain's career, her choice, to discuss, to demonstrate a point that SHE, Palin, had made.
Joe Biden recently discussed an item of economic history. He reminded us of how after the 1929 market meltdown, FDR came on TV and explained it to us.
Please describe to me anything Sarah Palin has said that is close to being as stupid as that. The guy is a total moron. If Sarah Palin said anything that stupid, it would be the headline of the NYT and Obama followers here would be writing endlessly about it. But instead we hear about what a responsible choice he was. Yeah right.
If Obama was in an interview, specifically defending Biden as an 'economic reformer', then Couric would be perfectly right to ask, and he'd better be able to give specifics in his answer.
So because Obama has no history, no experience, nothing to base an opinion of him on, Biden gets a pass? I don't object to the grilling the Palin is getting, but to the free pass that Obama and Biden are getting from the press. The press praises Obama's "nuanced" answers that are, in reality, semantic nullities; his "nuances" remove any substance from his answers, and the so-called "journalists" interviewing just look up at him with their big puppy-dog eyes and nearly wet themselves in adoration.
For starters, Couric might ask why Obama voted against the very same legislation that Palin was talking about.
If, Larry, Biden MADE the claim (nobody asked her to, nobody made her do it, and they certainly didn't make her say it over and over) that Obama had been or done something.. Then he had better have examples ready to back his claim.
What free pass? This was PALIN'S interview. Not Obama's, not Biden's. If you want to see if they have had this 'free pass', I'd recommend going back into the apparently forgotten in the mists of time dark ages of, well, you know, the Primary.
I seem to recall entire months of questions about his birth certificate, commentary about his Pastor, snide remarks about being a 'Messiah', being called a 'gaffe machine', etc and so forth.
The reason that it seems they are hard on Palin and aren't asking these things of Obama is.. they already ASKED these things of Obama.
He hasn't hidden from the press.
Palin has given three interviews. Two that (and Rod agreed in the OP) lobbed mostly softballs at her (and, no, it isn't a 'fastball' to ask her for an example to demonstrate her OWN POINT), and one with, well, a commentator from FOX.
This wasn't a grilling. There was ONE question. It was just asked four times because she wouldn't ANSWER the question. It was a question she should've expected, one that she led into with her own claim. She was only asked to back up her own talking point. Something she should've, heck, volunteered without even having to ask. In a sort of 'I say McCain is this.. and here's why I say that' (insert example of how McCain conforms to the description here...)
When she shows up to talk to the liberal version of Bill O'Reilly, by her own choice, we'll start talking about journalists with their puppy dog eyes.
Genny wrote:
"Sarah Palin is part of the big scheme called "dumbing down America". Please, USA, do not compare a man who has taught U.S.Constitution in the same breath with Palin . . . . "
As someone who sat through first year law school constitutional law, passed two state bar exams, and works on constitutional issues as an attorney, I can say that argument has to be one of the silliest I've heard yet. Unless your argument really is that only law instructors should run the country.
If Palin needs "protection and political correctness" from little ole Katie Couric, what -- what -- and who is going to do the hand holding when she's 2nd in command (or possibly the "Jefa") and with the likes of -- well, let's start with a Putin?????
Well, Putin might 'grill' her and ask her the same question more than once.
And that'd just be mean.
Alicia: You misunderstand. I was writing in response to Tumarion's gloat that Palin's bungled interview (which didn't seem any worse than Joe Biden's recent performances at campaign rallies), amounted to a plate of crow for "those who most vigorously defended Palin in the first days after announcement of her candidacy." This was when the faulknerian caricactures were coming at us the heaviest. The conflation of one element (her qualifications) with another (her private life) was Tumarion's not mine.
Sarah Palin is part of the big scheme called "dumbing down America". Please, USA, do not compare a man who has taught U.S.Constitution in the same breath with Palin. She is an insult to intelligent women and the country. - Posted by: Genny | September 25, 2008 2:09 PM
Genny:
Specifically how and in what ways did the fact that Obama "taught U.S. Constitution" prepare him for the Presidency? What did he, as one who "taught U.S. Constitution," actually and effectively and specifically DO in that capacity that in fact demonstrated the kinds of knowledge, skills, and abilities a President is required to have?
"Specifically how and in what ways did the fact that Obama "taught U.S. Constitution" prepare him for the Presidency? ..."
For starters knowing what the constitution says, once one is sworn to uphold it ...
Or is that not important anymore since the current Prez certainly destroyed that precedent notion. Hmm, upholding that constitution ...
It bears repeating in this thread: Obama went to an interview with Bill O'Reilly, and no one was laughing or smacking their foreheads after his performance.
Well, I would say that sufficient knowledge to be able to teach classes on what is, after all, the foundation of our legal system, the document that actually defines the various powers and limitations of our system of government, including the branch both of them want to work in, and is supposed to guide the decisions of the judges they will be appointing..
Its just my opinion, but I just think that is a little more applicable to the job than, say... being able to field dress a moose.
What free pass? This was PALIN'S interview. Not Obama's, not Biden's.
The free pass is that there has not, that I have heard of, any such grilling of Biden or Obama. Now, I can understand Biden not making any claims about Obama's history, since there is so little there to make a claim about, but there has been no serious questioning of either Obama or Biden by the press. And, no, it didn't happen during the primaries either, which were basically a contest about charisma (no wonder Hillary lost). I am not talking about questions from the right wing wingnuts, which don't get carried in the mainstream media, nor am I talking about the similar wingnuttery from the DailyKos or MoveOn.org when applied to the Republican side of things, where has the mainstream media seriously questioned Obama? Not CBS, not The New York Times, not NPR, nobody, ever.
For the record, I won't be voting for either Obama or McCain this fall, I think both would be equally disastrous for the country, and I don't go to the polls just to vote against someone. Neither am I a big Palin supporter, although I do wonder how much of her performance is her fault and how much is due to her Republican party "handlers" (there is reason that the Republicans are called "the stoopid party").
I think we'll have to repeat it, again, Larry.
Obama voluntarily went to an interview with BILL O'REILLY.
I've just added new video from the Palin interview. This time, she's explaining how Alaska's being close to Russia gives her relevant foreign policy experience. It's a freaking train wreck.
So, anonymous, Barack Obama memorized or was very familiar with the U.S. Constitution. (That, however, is an assumption you are making. You have not demonstrated or proved that Obama knows what the Constitution says. Anyone can read or read from a textbook, teachers included.)
How does that demonstrate the kinds of knowledge, skills, and abilities a President is required to have?
Still waiting....
Oh, and they've gotten all kinds of interviews.
The only 'grilling' she got was to be asked 4 times to answer a question that dealt with a point SHE MADE.
You won't find any such 'grilling' from those interviews simply because they (including McCain, I will add) generally answer the questions they are asked. Including challenging ones from, say, Matt Lauer, where he asked Obama about the comment Biden made about the recent crisis that conflicted with Obama's position.
That's not a 'soft ball'. And guess what.. Obama actually (I know, what a concept) ANSWERED the question. He said it was wrong of Biden to make those remarks so quickly, before getting all the information about the issue.
To have a Palin equivalent, you'd have to have Obama make some kind of claim, Lauer simply asks him for an answer, Obama keeps repeating his claim and doesn't answer the question.
Now, if you can find me something like that, and the reporter simply drops the question, then you might have a case.
There WERE no hard questions. There was no grilling. There was simply a request to back her claim, and she stalled through three requests, then said she'd have to get back to Katie with that.
I think we'll have to repeat it, again, Larry.
Obama voluntarily went to an interview with BILL O'REILLY.
So? Are you trying to pass that buffoon off as either a journalist or a conservative? Now, I would rather claw out my own eyes and puncture my ear drums than have to watch or listen to O'Reilly so I don't know how Obama did or what questions O'Reilly shrieked at him, but to hold O'Reilly up as either a responsible journalist or a conservative (check out his stand on the issues) is laughable.
That's to point out that Obama didn't avoid hard questions, could handle being grilled, and, in the most hostile environment possible, knowing that he would likely not get a single vote out of it (let's face it, its Bill's audience), did a good enough showing that, as noted above, nobody is regaling the event with derision.
And you might want to read the post below it.
There were dozens of interviews. With dozens of reporters. He has been, once again, grilled plenty. It just seems people are forgetful of the recently passed primary season. Most of the hard questions have been asked, debated over, and answered.
What we're getting with Palin is the result of no vetting, no ability to ask these questions, and protecting her from anyone who doesn't (and this is a quote) deal with her with 'respect and deference'.
Because, I'm sure that once someone is VP, they will be live in a cocoon of continual respect and deference from everyone that talks to them...
Train wreck? Did you see the recent movie WANTED (2008)? The train wreck in that movie was mild compared to this video clip.
OMG.
While McCain and the Right may not have put lipstick on a pig, they may have bought a pig in a poke:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig_in_a_poke
E-M-B-A-R-R-A-S-S-I-N-G, assuming it wasn't edited to enhance or distort the full Q&A.
I think I may need that bottle in front of me.
My first reaction upon seeing the interview was sadness. She's a good woman who is simply out of place. Her eyes, her entire expression conveyed a sense that not only is she in over her head, she KNOWS she is in over her head, and she knows that WE know she is in over her head. We all have our limits, and she's discovering her own.
Train wreck? Did you see the recent movie WANTED (2008)? The train wreck in that movie was mild compared to this video clip.
OMG.
While McCain and the Right may not have put lipstick on a pig, they may have bought a pig in a poke.
E-M-B-A-R-R-A-S-S-I-N-G, assuming it wasn't edited to enhance or distort the full Q&A.
I think I may need that bottle in front of me.
Larry, you do assume that O'Reilly "shrieked" at Obama, no? How dare O'Reilly be shrieky and mean with Obama. That cad of a buffoon to treat Obama without kid gloves. I bet Obama is crying now.
"Sarah Palin made it clear that she is a superstar. The Republicans have found their Obama." - Rod Dreher, September 3, 2008
There were dozens of interviews. With dozens of reporters. He has been, once again, grilled plenty.
No, he hasn't. He might have been asked questions, but when he responds with some vacuous platitude the so-called journalists never call him on it, but praise his answer as being "nuanced". I never knew "nuanced" means "taking away with the second part of your answer what you said in the first part". There has never been such a bundle of platitudinous answers and vacuity running for a high office as Obama. No politician likes to be pinned down, but Obama is a master at avoiding it, and the press lets him get away with it.
Pray that John McCain wins, that he stays healthy, and that Sarah Palin goes back to Alaska after 4 years to take care of her family.
It bears repeating in this thread: Obama went to an interview with Bill O'Reilly, and no one was laughing or smacking their foreheads after his performance.
They were after his interview at Saddleback.
As much as I dislike Obama's stand on abortion, I think that this latest clip from the Palin/Couric interview, will lead me to hold my nose and vote for him. I just can't allow myself to support putting this woman within a heartbeat of the presidency, especially when he is in his seventies.
"Barack for President versus Sarah for Vice-President.
Inexperienced versus inexperienced.
In over his head versus in over her head.
Can't speak intelligibly or intelligently versus can't speak intelligibly or intelligently.
Supporters swoon for him versus supporters swoon for her."
He was president of the Harvard Law Review versus she went to 3 colleges before graduating from Idaho State with a Sport Journalism degree
He's written a book on policy versus she looks like a deer in the headlights when asked simple policy questions
It's too bad Katie Couric doesn't know what she's talking about either.
So what. Last time I checked, Katie Couric isn't running for office.
Besides, a candidate who knows what she is talking about should be able to run circles around a reporter/interviewer who doesn't.
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I call bullshit on Couric.
Let's see her drill Obama to give examples of his own concrete action. Would she hit him the same question 4 times in a row? No freaking way. She would have accepted his meaningless blather and moved on to the next question.
She "would have"?!? Where is your evidence for what she "would have" done? You're simply making your own assumptions about what she likely "would have" done and trying to pass it off as an argument.
Can you cite a specific incident in which Katie Couric interviewed Obama and behaved this way? Or at least a previous interview of hers in which she behaved this way? If you can, fine. I am no defender of Katie Couric. But your assertion here is simply illogical. You're assuming as fact the point you're trying to prove.
Again, I have no particular reason to defend Katie Couric. But making assumptions about what she "would do" is not an argument.
But you raise an interesting point: It would be worthwhile to see her actually interview Obama or Biden and see whether she conducts the interview in the same way.
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While McCain and the Right may not have put lipstick on a pig, they may have bought a pig in a poke.
Oooh, that's sexist! (/sarcasm)
Not sure what that point is supposed to mean, SVS. But yes, it was. The Saddleback Forum was August 16th. And his interview with O'Reilly was a few weeks later. In early September.
Was that supposed to have anything to do with the subject?
He's written a book on policy versus she looks like a deer in the headlights when asked simple policy questions - Posted by: Ben | September 25, 2008 4:32 PM
Agreed. But when he is questioned about things, his responses and stuttered all-over-the-map-what-did-he-say? answers don't appear much better.
*sigh*
Thanks for the train movie, Rod.
A shout-out to Larison, posted on Eunomia a few minutes ago:
"I would like to imagine that the devoted fans of Sarah Palin, the people who believed her to be Reagan and Joan of Arc combined, who held out such hope for her as a future leader in the GOP and conservative movement, will be as irrationally and powerfully angry at McCain for putting her in the impossible position she is now in as they were enthusiastic about the selection of her in the first place. As critical as I have been of her, I liked Palin too much to see her become McCain’s apologist and I still like her enough to wish that she could be spared all this. Meanwhile, McCain’s election effort truly has become the MonDole campaign I once joked about."
Doug
And here's the extent of what The Corner has to say about Palin/Couric:
"Everytime there's not a post on something — from a presidential hiccup to the Emmys — I will inevitably get an e-mail about the "deafening silence" of "The Corner." I watched Katie with Sarah last night. And I found the whole thing jarring (and not because it was a "train wreck" on Palin's part — it wasn't). The CBS Evening News is sitting on an interview through Monday? At a moment like this? When everyone's complaining Palin isn't talking about the press? All substance of the part of the interview she deemed to show us last night was trumped by what a bad programming decision I thought not showing it all is. I think the whole interview may be online — I think Couric said it is. I haven't made it there to find yet. If I, who live on the Internet, did not watch it yet, I don't think most Americans will be.": K.Lo.
Oh yes, all substance was trumped by the issue of CBS's scheduling plans. Obviously, I've got my priorities out of place.
Doug
Here is something amusing: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/606rmpbt.asp?pg=1
Bill Kristol thinks that McCain should send Palin to debate Obama on Friday.
Most of these comments are missing the point, I think, about Palin. As a fellow member of the female gender, a business-owner, voter, here's my take: all of this really shouldn't be about Sarah Palin. Yes, she's obviously in over her head. She's certainly got balls to take on this fight and put herself before the public scrutiny she most deservedly will get. But, this is really about John McCain. He's getting himself prepared to be chief executive officer of the US of A. He needs to select one of his first advisors, his first valued team member. Someone who will have expertise in areas he may not. Someone who will speak truth to power, when necessary. I don't think he's done a good job on this test. To me, that is the most important thing here.
K-Lo is NRO's Sarah Palin. A diversity hire who is nice but clearly over her head.
Doug C., you're starting to troll. I took down your long comment in which you did nothing but quote yourself at great length from previous posts. You've made your point already.
i agree she's not stupid, just in way, way, way over her head. Her selection as VP candidate speaks volumes about McCain. But she make liberals angry, so she is the ideal Republican candidate.
Rod:
"I took down your long comment in which you did nothing but quote yourself at great length from previous posts."
Actually, I quoted you, mostly, plus one from Frum. Thanks though, I spent about 20 minutes digging up those quotes and didn't save them, but I'll go back and pull them out one at a time.
I apologize for not realizing that one of your policies is that once someone has made their point, they should refrain from posting further on the topic. It seems a little odd, though. Perhaps you could clarify what you mean?
Is it rude to repeat a journalist's words back to them, a few short weeks later? I suppose it would also be rude to mention what McCain was saying about the economy 2 weeks ago.
BTW, I think you're being overly defensive here. Your early comments on Palin actually show the seeds of your ongoing change of heart.
Doug
No, this isn't a train wreck. This is a train getting hit with a meteor, followed by an earthquake, followed by a flood.
On the other hand, she does look damn good for a dame with five kids.
No, this isn't a train wreck. This is a train getting hit with a meteor, followed by an earthquake, followed by a flood. - Posted by: Joel | September 25, 2008 5:10 PM
Or ... the waters turning to blood, followed by an infestation of frogs, followed by lice and gnats, followed by swarms of insects, followed by massive livestock deaths, followed by an outbreak of boils, followed by a hailstorm, followed by locusts, followed by great darkness, followed by ... well, you know what comes next/last.
It's sad she doesn't seem to interview well. She is however NOT an ultra liberal. Perhaps Obama and Biden will win...at which point I fear America will basically be no more. So yeah, let's keep pounding on a couple of bad interviews with liberal reporters...Get Hussein elected....that'll be better, cuz Lord knows he gives a good interview with Charlie and Katie and apparently that's what it's all about.
Matthew Yglesias had the best comment on it: "She had a real moose in the headlights look."
K-Lo is NRO's Sarah Palin. A diversity hire who is nice but clearly over her head.
I agree that they are both diversity hires in over their head. So is Obama, a diversity hire by liberal Dem voters, in over his head.
If you watched the debates, and the O'Reilly interview, then you know that Obama is very good at stringing words together to make it look as if he has anwered a question eloquently. When you unpack the answer, you see that he hasn't answered the question. But this is about what one would expect from someone who has made it successfully through the Ivy League and through law school- you learn how to fake it very well.
There was nothing wrong with Palin's answer at all. And no one should seriously expect her to know a lot about McCain's legislative history at this point.
I have no doubt that she would do very well in these gotcha-style interviews if she had been running for vice-Presidnet as long as Obama has been running for President.
Rod:
BTW, please do just drop me an email if you ban me as a troll. IMO, I've posted vastly less frequently, and much less antagonistically, then many of your regular commenters, and am surprised by the categorization.
I put up some quotes from you because posts like this don't happen in a vaccuum. I'm sorry, but here's my substantive comment:
I have serious doubts about your judgment, for probably the first time, after reading at least 90% of everything you have published online for more than 5 years, since I started reading you at The Corner and wrote you after the granola conservatism piece. I've questioned your conclusions, plenty of times. But I've never really questioned the fundamental quality of your judgment.
That's why I've promoted your work widely. Just for the record, let's make it clear that as editor for the leading pan-Orthodox Christian magazine in America, I approached you about re-publishing a Crunchy Con blog post as a print article, and I happily brought your wise writing to a new audience. (AGAIN Fall 2007, Vol 29 #3, "Orthodox Christian Leadership in a Brave New World") I also advocated to Orthodox Christian Network that they add you to their short list of analysts and podcasters for their national broadcast and online ministries. Heck, I'm the one who convinced Fr. Chris to first bring you on the program after the Va. Tech. tragedy.
I hate to write all this out; that's why I haven't done so over all the months and years I've been reading and posting here. But I want to be clear: I'm not some casual "Obamaton" or "troll", as I've been accused of being on this site many times. I am a professional religious journalist and editor, and I am trying to point out what - in my eyes, knowing I could be wrong - seems to be a very grave flaw in your work over the past month. I think some other good professionals - like Fallows, Larison and Frum - have seen the same thing in you and others and we're all trying, and failing, to do something that we think will help.
Shorter rant:
I am increasingly dizzy and disillusioned by your stylistic mood swings. One week, you're frakkin' Patrick Henry, unapologetic rhetorician for a new political philosophy with Sarah Palin as its champion, in full-throated advocate mode, as the quotes I provided support. The next week, with this post and others, you shift rhetorically back to "impartial analyst" mode, the cool-headed rational journalist providing perspective instead of a rallying cry.
Yes, a writer can, and perhaps should be, both. But you need more transparency. You need to much more frequently quote yourself, and preface your latest thoughts with more self-reflection, leading with comments akin to, "Now, you'll probably roll your eyes because how much this contrasts with how ga-ga I was over Palin in August, but I think this was a debacle. In fact, I'm embarrassed to read some of my early support for you."
IOW, I want to see your thinking process in action; that's what so fascinating about reading Sullivan. Even when he is incredibly wrong, you can't doubt that he's giving you a genuine glimpse of his own inner arguments with himself.
Do you have any arguments with yourself? You were so certain 3 weeks ago about Palin. You seem so centered in your jadedness now. Do you even recognize any tension or dissonance to those two states? Do you have any sympathy for a reader who reads you every day, gets to this page in the 500K word novel called "Crunchy Con Blog" for years, and says, "Hey! What the heck? How can the protagonist of this book I'm reading, Rod D, not see the conflict between these two moods? These two chapters totally don't work together!" Maybe you want this blog to be about the stories you cover. But the fact of the medium is that it will always be just as much about you, Rod Dreher. Yes, I'm interested in the election. But that's not why I post here. I post here in particular because I'm interesting in what ROD DREHER THINKS about the election. Aren't you interested in reflecting on your own thinking? Or at least on the collective impact of your writing from the campaign? Do you even go back and read your earlier stuff?
Shortest rant: Why should I, or anyone, continue to accept your analysis when you've been staggeringly wrong, very recently, and don't seem interested in really acknowledging it, yet alone understanding it?
Bless,
Doug
Hi, elmo. I didn't realize your comment was directed at Turmarion. Sorry for misunderstanding you.
"as editor for the leading pan-Orthodox Christian magazine in America"
Wow, can I just say how incredibly arrogant that sounds without more context? It is true. It is also true that the magazine had a very small circulation, a quarterly with only a 5000 print run per issue. It was very much a big fish in a small pond kind of thing, sort of like heading up the leading Wiccans for McCain office in western Nebraska. ;-)
I also believe the quality of the magazine is very high. It has been in publication for 30 years and within the Orthodox Church is well-respected. The piece by Rod, "Why Are Eugenics Wrong?", that we published was stunningly good, and a fine example of the great gifts which God has graced Rod.
Here's the pull quote I chose for the spread: "Today, the idea that it is morally acceptable to 'improve' upon human life through genetic manipulation paves the way for a time when it will be morally compulsory to do so." Strong words; Rod at his best.
bless,
doug
That Russia interview is really embarrassing. It is possible that McCain is ultimately going to lose more votes than he gained (from the conservative and ultra-conservative 'base') with the Palin pick.
Uh...she might be a lovely person and all that but how can anyone possibly think she could step in as president? It is truly frightening. And, yes, she makes George Bush sound like one great orator.
What she has said (actually, not said) in the few interviews she's done shows her woeful lack of ability to be president.
Shortest rant: Why should I, or anyone, continue to accept your analysis when you've been staggeringly wrong, very recently, and don't seem interested in really acknowledging it, yet alone understanding it?
What on earth are you talking about? What have I been doing lately but saying that Sarah Palin has been a huge disappointment, and has not lived up to the early hopes I'd invested in her. If that's not admitting that I was wrong, what is it? (N.B., I don't apologize for defending her against the trashy attacks on her class and her person). She was a political superstar, for about 10 days -- until the Gibson interview.
I don't really care if you take my analysis seriously. You get what you pay for here. I don't even mind if you say, Muntzily, "HA-ha." But you become a troll if you post three or four items saying the same thing within a short space of time.
Doug,
You've made some good points. I already stopped reading this blog on a daily basis because of the 'mood swings' you mentioned and the excitement over Palin.
I might add that as a conservative Orthodox Christian I'm disappointed with the McCain-Palin ticket. And I can't really vote for the other side either.
Keep up the good work you started with the "AGAIN" magazine (that's one publication I can't wait for!)
I second Narcis's point. I think blog-writing has made Rod Dreher very self-absorbed. That is the danger we all face if we are the center of attention for too long.
Rod: "What on earth are you talking about? What have I been doing lately but saying that Sarah Palin has been a huge disappointment, and has not lived up to the early hopes I'd invested in her. If that's not admitting that I was wrong, what is it?"
Rod, I'm sorry, but just pull up the September Archives page for this blog, and skim the 230+ post titles for this month. Yes, you've had a couple of grudging critiques of Palin over the past couple of weeks. You've also done a 180 since your post of 9/8 titled "Why we have to talk about Sarah Palin."
Take a look at the archive (which at some point in your configuration is spelled "achive"; you should get that fixed) and you'll see that any posts referencing Palin became quite rare after that declaration. Yes, the economy has taken center stage. But, you wrote in the first weeks of her selection that you expected her to be strong on domestic policy. Is that no longer the case?
Last Monday, 9/15, you posted this: "How would Palin change conservatism?"
http://blog.beliefnet.com/crunchycon/2008/09/how-would-palin-change-conserv.html
You wrote, "Might Sarah Palin steal the conservative movement out from under the noses of the old guard? Now that would be a reason to vote for her! Let me put the question to conservatives in the room: How do you think an ascendant Palin would change the conservative movement?"
That's a week ago; OK, to be fair, 8 business days. Today, we've pretty much reached a consensus among informed observers of the election of all political persuasions that she's looking like a joke, and that the story isn't how she will change conservatism but whether or not there will be any possibility of a comeback on the national stage for her if, as seems most likely, McCain loses.
It's hard to square this with you claiming now that "What have I been doing lately but saying that Sarah Palin has been a huge disappointment..." What else have you been saying? You've been saying "might Sarah Palin steal the conservative movement out from under the noses of the old guard?" If that's not "something else", I don't know what is.
That's what on earth I'm talking about. Maybe I'm totally off-base here, but it seems to be evidence of stunningly bad judgment on your part as to what makes Palin, and the McCain campaign, tick. Lay that alongside your seemingly uncritical praise for McCain's "here I come to save the day" stunt yesterday, and it really does sound like you're in the tank for these criminals. (And yes, I use that word carefully.)
Bless,
Doug
Oh, you are involved with the 'Again' magazine? Hey, that's an Orthodox magazine even this atheist has heard of.
Hey Karen! (And other folks who recognize the name!)
I feel a little sheepish that some of you know the magazine. I was managing editor for about 5 years, until I left last year to run the website for one of the Orthodox Christian archdioceses. It's a great magazine that played a key part in my own conversion about 15 years ago. It was started as a mom-and-pop newsletter for the Evangelical Orthodox, a group of former Campus Crusade for Christ leaders who in the 70's made their way in to the Orthodox Church. It's a great story, and the book about it - Becoming Orthodox, by Fr. Peter Gillquist (still AGAIN's publisher) - is one of the few Orthodox Christian books over the past 30 years to break out with something of a wider audience.
An excellent priest from the Antiochian Archdiocese, Fr. Michael Gillis (he did the "Ask Father" column for years) is now editing AGAIN. Thank God, because of my new work, I'm heavily involved in trying to develop a wider audience for the magazine's content via the Web.
The magazine's had some ups and downs over the years, but thank God we were able to significantly improve the consistency of the quality over my run. It's one of the only venues, really, for some of the great working Orthodox writers today - folks like Patrick Reardon, Frederica Mathewes-Green, Fr. Thomas Hopko, Fr. Luke Veronis - to write at length about how we can apply the ancient Christian faith to the challenges we face today.
(Cool bit of insider skinny: One of the Conciliar Press board members is Michael Hyatt, who is also CEO of Thomas Nelson, Inc.; thank God, there's some very savvy publishing industry expertise in the Orthodox Church.)
Bless,
Doug
She blew it, Rod. Badly. Good personality, good speaking voice, and clearly some guts. But she will be eaten alive in the VP debate. Biden will have to cut way back to make it look like he's being fair with her.
Her political career is dead, Rod. She's making herself look entirely inept and incompetent. Yes, she may be better than this, but we will never know.
It's sad really.
Wow. Wonder just how bad Palin is? Even her "I know and care about Russian relations because I'm Alaskan" spiel doesn't hold up.
This, from the Seattle Times:
"Opportunities abound for Alaska governors to engage in Russian diplomacy, with the state host to several organizations focusing on Arctic issues. Anchorage is the seat of the Northern Forum, an 18-year-old organization that represents the leaders of regional governments in Russia, as well as Finland, Iceland and Canada, Japan, China and South Korea. Yet under Palin, the state government — without consultation — reduced its annual financial support to the Northern Forum to $15,000 from $75,000, according to Priscilla Wohl, the group's executive director. That forced the forum's Anchorage office to go without pay for two months.
"Palin — unlike the previous administrations of Gov. Frank Murkowski and Gov. Tony Knowles — also stopped sending representatives to Northern Forum's annual meetings, including one last year for regional governors held in the heart of Russia's oil territory.
"It was an opportunity for the Alaska governor to take a delegation of business leaders to the largest oil-producing region in Russia, and she would have been shaking hands with major leaders in Russia," Wohl said."
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008174647_palinrussia12m0.html
Egad.
Doug
Wow. Just wow. Here's the latest exchange with Couric:
Couric: When President Bush ran for office, he opposed nation-building. But he has spent, as you know, much of his presidency promoting democracy around the world. What lessons have you learned from Iraq? And how specifically will you try to spread democracy throughout the world?
Palin: Specifically, we will make every effort possible to help spread democracy for those who desire freedom, independence, tolerance, respect for equality. That is the whole goal here in fighting terrorism also. It's not just to keep the people safe but to be able to usher in democratic values and ideals around this, around the world.
PLEASE SEE THE QUESTION. WHAT LESSONS HAVE YOU LEARNED FROM IRAQ?
This is her answer. She has learned nothing.
Doug
As I watch the "Being able to see Alaska = Foreign Policy experience" video clip, it cringingly reminds me of a similar video from about a year ago - the infamous Miss South Caroline Miss Teen USA 2007 response to the "maps" question:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww
Rod, along with the rest of the part of the Republican party who can read 690 SAT words without feeling overly put-down by the person using them, is merely suffering from buyer's remorse of the same magnitude felt by Hugh Grant when he traded Liz Hurley for a $20 street hooker.
Conservatives have generally loved McCain about as much as Michael "Brownie" Brown loves bad weather. With Palin they finally had a horse in the race they thought they could feel good about, and the fact that they finally had a conservative cheerleader who looked better than Ann Coulter probably didn't hurt things. And when Democrats began to question her qualifications and lifestyle choices, Rod loyally mounted his Crunchy steed and set off to the jousts. "Culture war". "Game on". "Lock and Load".
But, as the recent financial crisis demonstrates, life isn't easy for those insisting on "non-reality-based lifestyles". It became increasingly clear that Palin didn't say "thanks but no thanks" to the Bride to Nowhere...she just said "Thanks". She doesn't know the Bush Doctrine from the Monroe Doctrine. She thinks she's qualified to deal with Putin since she can see his house from her hunting lodge. And if Obama had a 17-year-old unwed, pregnant daughter, who he was trying to force into a marriage with a guy who publicly noted he's a "redneck" who likes to "kick a**", has "Thug Life" tattooed on his chest, and wants to be a rap star, he couldn't get elected dog catcher, let alone President.
You know the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull? Lipstick.
You know the difference between a pit bull and the vice-president of the United States? QUALIFICATIONS. KNOWLEDGE. DEPTH.
At this point, McCain is putting on a show equal to the "Razzle-Dazzle" number in "Chicago", desperately trying to (YES, I'M GOING THERE) put lipstick on a pig. But there's neither razzle nor dazzle left, just an unfortunate young woman who is probably a great mom, a competent mayor, a questionable governor, and a painful embarrassment as a vice-presidential candidate.
Still, I'd like to see her again in four years. Instead of a few week-long cram sessions, let's see what a few years of tasting the possibility does for her. Next time around, who knows? At present, if this is your idea of "lock and load" Rod, you're just firing blanks. And everyone here knows it.
Of all the things I do well, being right is the most fun.
A couple of weeks ago on the Dallas Morning News blog in a conversation about Palin's isolation from the media I said, "either her handlers are really stupid, or they know something we don't."
You know, I haven't exactly been a Palin booster, but I actually think people need to lay off of Rod with regard to his prior support of Palin. People can sometimes get a little overly excited during election time, and I think it's pretty clear that he knows he overdid it with the Palin euphoria. (And yes, he really did overdo it.) But the scales have fallen from his eyes. Let it go and be happy that they have.
elmo: The conflation of one element ([Palin's] qualifications) with another (her private life) was Tumarion's not mine.
No, the conflation wasn't mine; it was of those who were hailing her as the Republican Lightworker while knowing zero about her qualifications or abilities. The coflation was made by those arguing for her based on biography, not on merit. Moreover, I was not making "Faulknerian charicatures" of her at that time--I was pointing out that her supporters were acting out of emotion rather than substance, which is exactly how the GOP was intending to manipulate them all along.
I might note that "Faulknerian caricatures" were being used quite as much to argue for her as against her. Remember the stuff like, "Wow! She hunts moose! What a real woman!" or "She's down-to-earth and the elites are just picking on her" or "She's folks like us!" I would refer everyone here for the third time for an example of what I'm talking about, plus a nice rebuttal.
that was barely coherent. I'm sorry, but put her in office, and Putin will mop her up and send her home in tears. China will laugh in her face, Japan (in their two-faced bit) will smile and nod while they go about the subtle ways of making sure they get the better end of any negotiations. And she won't even get it. The Middle East will mock her outright. If that's the best she can do, even in a simple interview (in which Couric was doing her best to help Palin), then really, she should just go home.
Of course, this may be the strategy: pick palin, have her shine and fall, then quit and let Pawlentey or Lieberman or Huckabee step in, in the hopes that a dark horse vice president can help deliver a victory.
And when Democrats began to question her qualifications and lifestyle choices, Rod loyally mounted his Crunchy steed and set off to the jousts. "Culture war". "Game on". "Lock and Load".
Oh, please, spare me the revisionist history. I didn't criticize any liberal for questioning her qualifications. I criticized people for saying she was white trash, a hick, a bad mother who should have aborted her Down syndrome baby, a crazy Christian whose daughter is a slut. That sort of thing. I absolutely stand by those posts. The one thing we didn't know was how good a candidate she'd be. Just because she was governor of a small state was no reason to count her out (cf. Bill Clinton). But in the end, she's not been so great.
Rod, I don't agree with you on much, but I appreciate your honesty on this. I am so so so tired of the familiar mechanical partisan dishonesty elicited from supporters of both sides these days. In seeking balance, the press seems to find that the easiest and most reliable opposing points of view can be quoted from equal and opposite partisan hacks. The truth is more than the sum of equal and opposite lies. These are serious times, and I wish the public, the press, the politicians would treat it that way.
Harvey: "Of all the things I do well, being right is the most fun."
Oh God, thanks for that. I needed it. You too, JPL. Yes, I think everyone does know it.
Doug
It's funny how desperate the movement conservatives here are as they try to defend Palin's absurd performance. She has given no indication at all that she's up for the job. The sheer wackiness of the Putin-rearing-in-our-airspace bit made me wonder if someone slipped LSD into her mocha.
Mark: "I think it's pretty clear that he knows he overdid it with the Palin euphoria. (And yes, he really did overdo it.) But the scales have fallen from his eyes. Let it go and be happy that they have."
Thanks very much for this; wise words. I think you're absolutely right.
Can I continue to rip on Palin, though? ;-)
Doug
M. in H.: I agree, cut Rod some slack. Not least since McCain picked her BECAUSE nobody outside of Alaska knew anything about her. Since the pick was announced they've been moving heaven and earth to keep us from learning anything more about her, but they can't. The truth comes out, and it ain't pretty. (Not enough lipstick.)
I want to echo a few posters above in noting that I don't agree with you on much (other than Wall-E being a great movie), but I absolutely respect your honesty in giving your reactions.
It was painful for me to watch these interviews, simply because I felt bad for Palin.
Rod - This independent had begun to despair that there were any honest conservatives left. It takes a lot of integrity to write what you just have, we need conservatives, just like we need liberals. Thanks for the honesty.
And Carol C, -- don't you think, with the largest socialist bail out currently going on in a so-called conservative administration, that it just might be time to get over your fear of liberals?
It's hardly necessary for my voice to be heard in the giant cricket-chorus of Palin chirping pro and con. I just want to say that it's unfair to chide Rod for being "self-absorbed," while reading his blog. Come on! That's like blaming the magician at your kid's birthday party for drawing too much attention. That's what you hired him for. Performance is the name of the game. Bloggers offer you their individual take on the world, their thoughts and the shiny bits that come to their attention and get carried off to their dens, to be displayed for your entertainment. Like a jackdaw, the blogger gathers bright fragments to shore against our ruin. And like the pelican, he feeds our curiosity, boredom, or spleen from his own bosom. There's no such thing as a neutral, humble, self-effacing blog. If you think there should be, go ahead and create one! And good luck to you.
The "bad judgment," I grant you. But given how much fun everyone seems to be having with that, I don't begrudge it to him. Anyway, few of us could blog our every thought without occasionally being shown up in a disastrous gaffe or two.
Well posted.
Look, there are times when you put country ahead of party. The Republicans did it in 1974 when they told Nixon to get out. The Democrats did it in 1988 when they agreed to drop all the Iran Contra investigations in exchange for Howard Baker agreeing to clean up the mess as Reagan's new chief of staff. Some Democrats (myself included) felt that Clinton should have resigned.
Now is a time for Republicans to accept an Obama/Biden presidency and resolve to fight to win seats back in 2010 and the Presidency back in 2012. Despite what the hysterics say, Obama is not a muslim, he is an American centrist on economic and foreign policy matters and center-left on social matters. Biden is the same. Both are competent consensus builders, and even if you don't agree with their politics, both are the type of people who lead well in emergencies. McCain, perhaps due to an age-related condition, is now completely self-centered and random in behavior, even worse under stress, while Palin could seriously lead America to the apocalypse -- she's that dumb and crazy (in the extreme religious sense). For the good of America, Republicans, find a way to lose gracefully this fall, regroup, and fight back with some serious leaders. This is what democracy is about.
I never thought that any official running for national office could
make Bush sound like Cicero, but I think you are both witty and right on this one.
I now think that the three most frightening words in the English language are President Sarah Palin
I have to echo that comment you made to Rod, Angela. I vote for individuals with obvious leadership traits and sound plans, not for members of a particular political party. Lately it seems that the only Republicans left are rabid ditto-heads waiting to pounce on "liberals" and willing to defend "conservatives" no matter what they get caught doing. The Republican party seems like a cult these days.
So, I appreciate when a conservative (or liberal or whatever) blogger can just call it as he sees it. Enough BS. Really, enough. We've all had our fill of it.
So much about Palin is unknown, even extreme conservatives may be shocked to discover who she really is. We know she smoked pot. What's her medical history? What prescription drugs is she on? What are her real views on the Middle East? On trade with India? On eminent domain? Who knows? How can we know? How would she hold up in a 5-hour meeting at the G8 summit? I don't believe we have ever had such a total unknown so close to the presidency.
I never thought that any official running for national office could
make Bush sound like Cicero, but I think you are both witty and right on this one.
I now think that the three most frightening words in the English language are President Sarah Palin
I don't know guys. Comparing Palin to Obama, only makes Palin look worse. I don't agree with him on many things, but Obama can formulate cogent paragraphs on the fly about basically anything. Even if you disagree with him, he's not dumb, he is extremely articulate, and he thinks deeply about policy matters. Smart isn't everything. But, I feel truly sorry for this woman. She is not only uncomfortable and babbling, she is incoherent and illogical. Apart from anything else, any reasonable person would question McCain's judgment in picking her. This country deserves better.
I have stated to worry that John McCain may be a secret Muslim: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5qbzRl-MkI
No such rumors have yet surfaced about Ms. Palin...
When I see something like this, I'm not angry at Sarah Palin, instead I want to kick McCain in his old ass. HE KNOWS how relentless this race is. He's had first hand experience in the previous race how relentless this situation can be.
HOW DARE HE do this to a person that has "no idea", is not ready for such a position and the crazy crap that comes along with it. He has taken this poor woman and allowed people to drag her home life through the mud. Put her in positions that she is not ready for and made her look questionable.
John McCain is a user and poison in her life and I feel like kicking his wrinkly butt for putting her through this without CLEARLY cautioning her and preparing her for this! This is just wrong.
And believe me, I'm NOT a Sarah Palin supporter. But this is just WRONG.
I see she said that FDR went on TV and calmed the nation at a time of financial turmoil. What a gaffe! What an idiotic thing to say! Oh, what a second, that was Senator Biden. And the driveby liberal media didn't notice. Imagine if Gov. Palin had said something so ridiculous. Honestly, Rod I think you are buying what the drivebys are saying about Gov. Palin. That and your disappointed (as am I) in her bellicose neocon McCain-esq foreign policy pronouncements.
The original op-ed you posted at dallasnews.com is exactly the sort of far-right reactionary cheer-leading that turned me away from that newspaper some years ago. (Too bad too, great sports page.)
What I wonder is whether you have contacted them to offer another, more measured editorial expressing your new concerns about Palin and, by proxy, the state of your preferred party? (I am speaking for you here, I know, but you did previously claim that, without Palin, "...the Republicans deserve to lose this year".)
I would be curious to see whether A) the DMN would publish it, and B) whether you would write it.
The reason Biden's gaff does not make news is the has many many moments of intelligent discourse. The media and the public knows Biden knows domestic policy, government, foreign policy, so is more willing to give him leeway. Whereas the public and the media knows very little of Palin before the pick. McCain's campaign has also so far prevented her from making contact with the media, except these few interviews. Any mistake she makes gets magnified. The hiding her behind the curtain also prevents her from practicing, getting the kinks out.
Rod,
I knew you'd change your mind on Palin -- just like you did with George Bush and the Catholic Church.
Uh, Stevereno, the Biden gaffe did get plenty of press---including the NY Times. Give your paranoid special-pleading a rest. And watch the Palin / Couric interview with fresh eyes. It's just embarrassing. She doesn't belong in this race, or anywhere near the Oval Office. Choosing her was a monumental mistake on McCain's part, and it should be deeply worrying to any Republican.
Turmarion: By your logic, saying something positive about somebody's hobbies and lifestyle is reason enough for others (many people in this case) to say that the subject cheats on her husband, claims her grandchild is her child, attempted to miscarry, charged rape victims for rape kits, along with a host of other smears, lies, and caricactures.
Wow, you must be a lot of fun to be around.
"I feel like kicking his wrinkly butt for putting her through this."
-- Lola
omgoodness i'm gigglechoking on my Ben n'Jerry's!
Ummm.... no one forced Sarah to join the ticket. Seems her manly lust for power is landing her flat on her own girly derriere.
With what blinkers do you look at the world when you say "she is a good woman". What does that mean? Good to whom? Herself and her family? Not good to the librarian who she apparently hounded out of a job (yes I know the librarian quit- but I am sure being pestered by the town mayor had some role in it). She is not good for the town where she left a massive debt. Not good for women who, if she had her way, would be forced to carry unwanted pregnancies resulting from rape or incest. Certainly not good to the cop whom she fired because he would not do her bidding. Everything I have read about her from different sources indicate that she is ignorant, arrogant, petty, mean and vindictive. Even if half the stuff written about her is true, she is totally unfit to be the vice president.
The greatest evil in this world comes from people who look at the truth and then refuse to see it. Good woman indeed!
@stevereono - "drive by liberal media"? Give this a shot - actually think for 2 seconds. Better yet, listen to her on the video. The media did not edit the tape to make her look like an idiot - she did that all by herself.
Wow. That was really painful to watch. Worse than I would have imagined. Palin is really, really in over her head. Reminds me of when I used to teach and I had a student who was unprepared but I tried to give them the benefit of the doubt, asking slow and deliberate questions in an effort to "nurture" them into comprehension.
Stevereno: On the one hand I think you are right. Biden's gaffe did not get much play, but then it has been a big news week.
On the other hand, there is a fundamental difference between flub of fact whether Obama says 51 states, McCain confuses Sunni for Shiite, or this nonsense from Biden and these consistently incoherent ramblings from Palin. We all like to get a good yuck when the other guy's campaign claims he invented the internet or the Blackberry and the other campaign always claims that the most recent gaffe is proof positive this means he/she is fundamentally unsound and will be the worst candidate since Caligula and will cause the end of America as we know it blah blah blah. We all know the music and every four years we all dance that dance.
But in moments like this, when we are confronted with someone so fundamentally unqualified I am reminded just how unimportant simple gaffes are in the big scheme of things.
I grade a lot of history papers and exams. I have seen a lot of factual flubs just like every POTUS candidate in the Primary and General has made. I have also seen a lot of students who were, like Rod, completely unprepared and writing page after page of random phrases vaguely remembered from the textbook or lecture in no coherent order and they read a lot like Palin's interviews. The former gets points deducted. The latter fails.
Do you really not see the difference? Really? Seriously?
I am just visiting this site from a link. I don't know what the position is on abortion, if that is the deal breaker for you with regards to Obama. Or maybe it is Homosexuality/Gay Marriage. But there has got to be some kind of common ground that you can find with him and not let this woman anywhere near the White House. Please, please!! He has been trying to reach out to the persons of faith which not many Dems do. I think he would like to end abortions from the front end with education and counseling. If that is the only reason that you will put Sarah Palin in office, then I just don't know. My 2 cents.
I do wish Palin could even understand what Couric was asking her. Instead, we discover the fired sports anchor from Anchorage can only speak with a prompter and big hair.
Well, at least we know the type of person who goes to a guy like Pastor Muthee and prays for the witch doctor to take away the evil spirits.
Maybe he should have told her to wait until she was ready for the job before she jumped up, yup, yup, yup and said yup, yup, yup.
In other words...
She called the witch doctor who told her what to say. She called the witch doctor who told her what to do. Ooo eee ooo ah ah bing bang wasilla walla bing bang!
Rod: thanks for being honest.
Oh, EricW, this isn't the same anon you were talking to before. However, seeing as apparently you're still "waiting," I'd be happy to fill in for him/her:
So, anonymous, Barack Obama memorized or was very familiar with the U.S. Constitution. (That, however, is an assumption you are making. You have not demonstrated or proved that Obama knows what the Constitution says. Anyone can read or read from a textbook, teachers included.)
How does that demonstrate the kinds of knowledge, skills, and abilities a President is required to have?
Still waiting....
Posted by: EricW | September 25, 2008 3:51 PM
Here's the President's oath of office:
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
Emphasis mine. Given that fully half of the oath is talking about the Constitution and the President's duty to preserve, protect, and defend it, it makes sense that Presidents should, y'know, be somewhat conversant on the document and its contents.
I don't know the details of any classes Senator Obama may or may not have taught on the Constitution, so I can't speak to his familiarity with it. I am kind of disappointed that you didn't appear to grasp the obvious point that the Constitution is supposed to be a central focus of the Presidency, though.
She wasn't worse than GWB. She definitely didn't make GWB sound like Cicero. There isn't ANYONE who could make GWB sound like Cicero. That's just silly.
I'm cringing! I'd be even more embarrassed if I were a Republican.
How could she possible have a decent shot at number 2? It's such a shame so many Americans aren't bothered by leaders who know nothing about the world and have never voluntarily engaged in serious political questions. We are not electing a homecoming queen!
When I first started to watch this, I thought it was another Tina Fey caricature. Then I realized I was indeed listening to the potential next Vice President of my country. Where do I begin? Perhaps with the fact that Putin is NOT the President of Russia. Scary stuff.
I found this via a link from Sullivan.
I am not a conservative, and I have disliked the Palin pick from the start...largely because I saw it as a cynical pick based on politics first. But I assumed that she was a canny, if provincial, politician, and a potentially formidable running mate.
However, after seeing this clip, it is clear that she is barely able to string a sentence together without a script, and that many college freshmen have a better grasp of world affairs. How this mediocrity can get this close to being President of the United States is baffling, and if McCain wins we will be an international laughing stock.
I agree that we should give Rod a break--the knives have been out a bit (sometimes from me, admittedly). As I have said before, I believe he is totally sincere, and I appreciate his honesty. To go from totally ga-ga to accurately describing Palin's appearance as a "train wreck" shows an integrity that I'm sure is not without pain for him. Sigaliris is right in that if any one of us blogged enough, we'd have "a disastrous gaffe or two". My take is that Rod is a really emotional guy who has strong gut reactions. Add that to the fact (which he admits) that he has "no unblogged thoughts", and I think it is a recipe for what looks like a roller-coaster ride of inconsistency. Eventually he pulls himself back. As I've said before, I think it's a matter of temperament--some of us are Spock, some are McCoy, and there are advantages and disadvantages to both.
There's only one point I'd like to make before hanging up the Palin stuff for now, though, in regard to Rod's statement above:
I criticized people for saying she was white trash, a hick, a bad mother who should have aborted her Down syndrome baby, a crazy Christian whose daughter is a slut.
It was right to criticize those who took aim at her children and her choice in keeping her youngest son. Those who took that road were scurrilous and out of line. However, as to the rest: every time the right promoted Palin like this: "I KNOW Sarah Palin!" or "Wow! She hunts and field-dresses moose, too!" or "Her husband fishes and works on an oil rig! What a REAL man!" and on and on--well, this is marketing her and hers as redneck white trach hicks, to be brutally honest. It's pure playing on cultural chauvinism, so well expressed here that I'm linking for the fourth time. I've pulled quotes before, but in this context I think it's worth it once more (no more after that--promise!)"
"In this tiresome piece [which Cottle has quoted earlier] we see a near perfect distillation of the cheap, shameless culture warfare that conservatives are so fond of employing: An attack on Sarah Palin is an attack on all hard-working, god-fearing, authentic Americans! When Dems and 'mediacrats' criticize Palin, they are mocking every red-blooded red-stater in this great nation.(italics in original)"
"Just like Ralph Peters, I KNOW Sarah Palin. Hell, in my younger days, I WAS Sarah Palin. (Well, minus being a crack shot.) The difference is I don't fetishize my regular-gal roots and assume they make me special--much less qualified to run the country. And while I have indeed witnessed my fair share of cultural snobbery from some of my better-credentialed, coastal colleagues over the years, I'm not so defensive about where I come from that I feel the need to champion a wildly unqualified fellow hick whose politics I disagree with as a way to get back at everyone I know who has ever made a sniffy comment about big hair or small towns."(emphasis added)
The second paragraph expresses very well what Rod and many others seem, probably unconsciously, to have been doing. Hell, Rod outright admitted that he almost wanted to vote for McCain/Palin just to spite her detractors. How rational is that? And there is a difference between defending her agains charges of being a "redneck hick" and subtly promoting her as such--remember the big, gleeful post of her hunting picture? Which really puzzled me, since back on NRO long ago, Rod wrote what I thought was an eloquent and moving article about his ambivalence towards hunting. Now it was a plus?!
Anyway, I hope that I am not being offensive in pointing this out. I really like Rod and his column a lot, and I have learned much and had much food for thought from hanging around here. He goes bonkers occasionally, but don't we all? Six more weeks and the election will be decided one way or the other, and we can move on. May the best win, and may they do our country good.
Obama taught Constitutional Law, so one would presume he's familiar with it.
Hi Rod,
Beldar pretty much took care of your concerns right here - http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/blog/g/20d5264a-d013-4e25-a2a2-8669e5d74c70. Happy reading!!
Everyone who has brought up something along the lines of the "obvious liberal bias of Katie Couric" really makes me laugh. I guess none of you saw the interview with John McCain a couple of months ago. She asked him a question about the surge, and he completely bungled the timeline, attributing the surge to creating the Shia Awakening (the awakening happened long before the surge). He also held up a tribal chieftain as a shining example of the success of the surge (he was assassinated shortly after the surge started). It was, truly, a trainwreck, on what is supposed to be his area of expertise. But Katie or her editors removed his bungled answer, and inserted the correct answer, which he stated later, in a completely different context, from a completely different question. So they saved him from a major league gaffe. I just have to laugh (or cry) when I hear people talk about the "liberal media." Did anyone hear a report in the MSM about that little coverup? Didn't think so.
Sen. Obama is significantly smarter, better informed, more thoughtful, and more decent than any of his detractors here. My dog is smarter than the person who claimed Sen. Obama can't speak intelligently or intelligibly.
she looked like a deer in the headlights. good thing katie didn't have a gun.
And you have to ask why it's important for the president to know the Constitution? Bush really must have succeeded in turning it into "just a piece of paper." For one thing, it would be nice if the president understood the Constitution, so he could begin the process of restoring it. It's well and truly trashed at the moment.
To the people saying, "What's Obama done that's important?" I would suggest learning some facts before you spout RNC talking points. He has been involved in important legislation, like the bipartisan bill to keep nuclear material out of the hands of terrorists. But more important to me, is the fact that he opposed the Iraq war from the start. How many politicians can say that?
Doug Cramer asks me: Can I continue to rip on Palin, though? ;-)
Yes. Carry on.
My six year old son walked in while I was watching it. He said "She doesn't know what she's talking about. She just goes on and on and on, not really saying anything. She goes blah blah blah blah."
Who said it's easy to fool a child?
Rod, I truly appreciate thinking people who are justly critical of "their own". If only more Republicans had taken the Bush team to task from the beginning instead of cheerleading his blunders defensively, the U.S would be better off AND the Republican party would be much stronger than it is now. Thanks.
Palin is pitiful. She has no knowledge base, analytical abilitiy, context, or ability ti remember what her tutors told her, at least within a proper perspective. She doesn't appear to be a quick study. Having taughtcollege studentd for 40 years, Palin appears to lack curiosity about the world around her.she has a kind of rigid, highly limited perspective. That was evident in her so-called "truism" that she doesn't "blink" and her stupid and inflexible commentsd about supporting Israel at no matter what that country's policies. Such unilateralism is dangerous and comes from an orthodoxy and limited information and perhaps a blind "religioud" fervor. Those are insidious and dangerous traits gor a President to have.the very possinbility of her being Vice President is chilling. She doesn't know what she doesn't know. Poor soul.
Rod,
I don't agree w/you on much, but I'll read you, b/c I respect your integrity. The change in your opinion between September and now demonstrates humility, honesty, and the willingness to critically examine past positions. It also demonstrates that you attempt to evaluate your preferences against reality.
Whatever you are, you're not a partisan hack, but a human being. I respect that.
Someone thinks that if Obama wins that will be the end of our country? I don't think you've been paying much attention to the last 8 years, or you would realize how close to the edge the Republicans have brought us. You do know that nasty countries around the world are torturing with impunity because "America does it." That's what it's come to.
Frankly, I don't envy anyone trying to salvage the utter wreck left by Cheney/Bush/Rove. The corruption and incompetence and greed are at toxic levels. But I fear McCain would simply finish the job. And Palin is already as mean-spirited and corrupt as both Bush and Cheney, just on a smaller scale in Alaska. I shudder to think what she would do unfettered in the "Fourth Branch" of Dick Cheney.
Sen. Obama is significantly smarter, better informed, more thoughtful, and more decent than any of his detractors here. My dog is smarter than the person who claimed Sen. Obama can't speak intelligently or intelligibly. - Posted by: Mike | September 25, 2008 11:00 PM
As the person who made that claim, may I ask: what breed is your dog, and when can I debate him or her?
Yes, I was using a bit of hyperbole, but as others have also noted, Barack Obama can speak while really saying nothing, and when he does not have a prepared speech in front of him, his uh-ing and and-ing and hesitating and stammering result in a level of unintelligibility not unlike Ms. Palin's response to Ms. Couric about Alaska and Russia.
I've skimmed through both of his books, I've seen and heard him speak in person as well as numerous times on TV - the campaign debates, interviews, Bill O'Reilly, etc. I wanted to like him, but as time has gone on, I have been less and less impressed, and consider him to be unqualified and unsuitable for the nation's highest office.
As a university instructor, I have to say that Palin reminds me of the kind of student who will fill up the whole blank backside of an exam sheet with every random memory from lecture in the hope of accidentally hitting the correct answer to a "word or phrase" question.
Here is what I think the glaring difference between Barack Obama and Sarah Palin for those that try to make the comparison (personally I believe we should be comparing the top of the ticket). For those who do not like and or agree with Obama even when you believe that he did not have a strong performance you can still at least follow what he is saying. You might be totally opposed to what he is saying but still it makes some kind of sense. For all the hell he caught for saying "Above my pay grade" people still knew what he was talking about even though they thought it was disingenuous. With Sarah Palin however you get a headache just trying to follow her logic half the time and I am not being facetious. Before anybody tries to complain about what I said I just have one question. What or who is the "those" Sarah Palin was referring to when she said and I quote "it is from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation Russia" I will give my dwindling 401k to anyone who can decifer the "those" in that statement. How weird is it to cringe and feel sorry for a woman who might in the near future every time she is interviewed by the likes of Charlie Gibson and Katie Couric. Neither of them are exactly Tim Russert you know. Honestly if she just gave shorter answers she would maybe be at least ok. But she seems intent in trying to show off all the stuff she is learning in her National Politics for Dummies class. Joe Lieberman has to be feeling like a total failure as a teacher!
Great thread; just had to point out this hilarious comment from glasnost:
"The change in your opinion between September and now demonstrates humility, honesty, and the willingness to critically examine past positions. It also demonstrates that you attempt to evaluate your preferences against reality."
Um, it's still September! My God, how much longer can this election last? The conventions feel like ages ago. Is Galveston still under water?
Momma, stop the news. I wanna get off.
Doug
elmo: By your logic, saying something positive about somebody's hobbies and lifestyle is reason enough for others (many people in this case) to say that the subject cheats on her husband, claims her grandchild is her child, attempted to miscarry, charged rape victims for rape kits, along with a host of other smears, lies, and caricactures.
First of all, anyone reading my post would see that this is a clear distortion of what I said.
Second: Any time a political campaign or politically motivated commentators, bloggers, and such say anything, positive or negative about a candidate's "hobbies and lifestyle", it is spin, directed at supporting or attacking that person. Both sides have used Sarah Palin's biography, as it were, to promote their agendas. Typical politics, but that's what's wrong with typical politics. I don't really care that Sarah Palin hunts moose, or that Obama was raised by a single mother or any such stuff. I want to know if they're prepared to lead this country.
Certainly, there is nothing in any of my posts on this thread or elsewhere (and there are a lot of them) in which I even remotely imply that there is "reason enough for others (many people in this case) to say that the subject cheats on her husband, claims her grandchild is her child, attempted to miscarry" and so on. Personal attacks should be out of bounds for both sides, as I've said many times. I would point out that the rape-kit thing is not a personal "smear", as it pertains to policy, and I would refer you here, among many, many other places you could google, and which would demonstrate that this issue is also not a "lie".
In any case, as the concluding personal insult in your post indicates, you obviously have no desire to conduct civil conversation here, and so I invoke my policy of leaving it alone from this point.
Barry Goldwater must be rolling with laughter!
I wonder what other prominent Republican women (e.g., Elizabeth Dole, Olympia Snow, Kay Bailey-Hutchinson) are thinking when they watched the three (3!) interviews that Palin has been allowed to give in the last 28 days.
Sarah Palin is an interesting person and has a interesting, albeit largely fictional, story. But she is not qualified to be president. I ask those people who fervently support her, Would you want her to be running the business/school/agency you work for? Her penchant for promoting her friends to positions of power, her stoppage of the Troopergate investigation, her penchant for repeating untruths- she is simply not qualified.
In my opinion, civic knowledge about the way the US government is structured, as well as some basic knowledge of how markets and energy and so on operate, are required for public officials. You have to know something about the job you are doing, and it's pretty clear Palin doesn't have any of this basic knowledge.
We've seen the damage done to the Conservative movement by the Monica Goodlings and the Michael D Browns that populated the Bush administration.
If you are the type of conservative that wants small government, checks and balances, protection of the whole Bill of Rights, and preservation of the Western Canon, then you want someone who has depth of knowledge and is able to consider America's place in the world as a whole, as well as its current position in the discourse of Western Civilization.
To tell the truth, I think we are looking at the prospect of a conservative movement so busted down and fragmented that we end up with a one-party government that even the Democrats won't like. What on earth was McCain thinking?
"Those" as referenced in the previous post either refers to reconnaissance jets that SHE DOESN"T SEND OUT from her Governor's desk, or spaceships that go after Putin when he crosses over Alaska airspace. The part of Russia that is 50 miles from the coast of Alaska is practically uninhabited. Moscow is almost equidistant from Juneau, Alaska and New York City! Look, I can see the moon from my balcony, but that doesn't qualify me to be an astro-physicist!
What a joke she is. I feel sorry for her. I feel sorry for McCain. As a result, I feel sorry for the rest of us.
EricW, Don't want to be rude but, um, why don't you try actually reading Obama's first book. A book which he, yeah, actually wrote.
After two terms of Bush and the prospect of McCain/Palin there's been enough "skimming", watching Bill O'Reilly and listening to talk radio from Republicans.
As others have pointed out, the ten best educated states are now solidly Democratic. If the Republicans take Nevada, which loos likely, the GOP will have the ten least educated.
The Republicans are now the party of talk radio, Fox News, 'Intelligent Design' and, it would seem . . . "skimming."
No wonder you've done such damage to our nation.
I think that getting competent, qualified and intelligent people is MORE important, or should be, for people who espouse a smaller government. (Assuming they aren't trying to get people to think government is so monumentally terrible they don't want one at ALL.)
After all, if I run a staff of several thousand, with multiple people for each position who can check, and double check the work being done.. then one or two idiots can slip through the cracks and only do so much damage before one of the co-workers catches it.
If I only have the bare bones minimum to run things, those few had better know what they're doing. Because there's nobody around to check their work.
come on people, give her a break. If you can remember 19 months ago obama sounded like a real jerk doing interviews. But the media overlooked it. She is alot smarter than obama but has only been at it for 3 week. Besides she is running for vice-president and not president. When our country is almost facing a depression, what are obama's remarks "call me if you need me" John Mccain puts country first and we can't forget biden who is always putting his foot in his mouth. Even Bill Clinton had some nice things to say about Sarah Palin and John McCain. Sarah Palin is a very smart woman. She had a wonderful interview with sean hannity. Lets face it the media is out to get her. You can say what you want but I can say proudly that I will be supporting John Mccain and Sarah Palin!
As a lawyer who has actually taken a constitutional law class, I have to respond to the commenter who thinks teaching constitutional law involves "memorizing the Constitution" or simply reading from a textbook. This is a completely simple-minded notion. Constitutional law class in a law school involves reading the important Supreme Court cases interpreting the Constitution (usually beginning with Marbury v. Madison), analyzing the arguments made in the majority and dissenting opinions of those cases, analyzing trends in the decisions of the Court over the years and different philosophies of jurisprudence (e.g., "strict construction"), and more. In short, it is a class about *thinking*, using one's analytical skills to examine how the Supreme Court has interpreted the Constitution (and usually, since most law schools still use the infamous "Socratic method", being grilled by the teacher on the soundness of one's reasoning. Which, in case it's not obvious, is something that requires the teacher to be able to reason logically, because you can't attack a student's reasoning if you don't see the flaws in it (if you can't reason yourself, in other words).
What a joke she is. I feel sorry for her. I feel sorry for McCain.
Why? She knew very well that McCain was offering her a job she was completely unprepared for. And yet, she accepted. So why feel sorry for her now that her spectacular unsuitability to be vice-president is evident to any thinking person?
As for McCain, his naming Palin as his vice-president was a cynical stunt designed to rally the conservative base. He barely knew Palin, and certainly knew she lacked the depth of experience to be one heartbeat away from the Oval Office. Yet he chose her, as he best hope for being elected. So, why feel sorry for him now?
this is the peter principle writ large; someone who has been promoted to her level of incompetency.
***** If you can remember 19 months ago obama sounded like a real jerk doing interviews. *****
I'm sorry, but this statement is the opposite of the truth. 19 months ago everybody was talking about Obama precisely because he interviewed so well.
Criticize Obama on values or skirting votes or inexperience, but he has never been taped giving an interview half as badly as both Palin's train wrecks.
She simply doesn't know much, and can't construct a sentence on a 6th-grade level.
Peet: Indeed. Here, for me, is probably the final piece of the Palin puzzle. Everyone with an interest in her should check this out:
http://deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/25/1448411.aspx
NBC News got their hands on all the correspondence Palin wrote as mayor of Wasilla. God bless her, she sounds sweet. But 5 years ago she was, well:
"As the city files make clear, Palin wrote endless recommendations for local students, seemed to honor every Eagle Scout in a 200-mile radius and, as might be expected, obsessed over all things snow related. There are warnings about snow blowing and snowmachine safety, earnest letters regarding avalanche awareness and proclamations honoring sled-dog racing."
"In a note to a Wasilla landscape firm thanking the owners for donating a tree, she writes, “You’re the best!” in pen and scribbles a smiley face, too. In a letter to a businessman in Wasilla, she hand writes, “Thanks for all you do, Dude!” The trove of old letters also makes clear how small Wasilla truly is. “Under City of Wasilla Account 100-0074, please disconnect cell phone number 354-7676,” she wrote in 2002. It was Mayor Palin, and not a low-level office worker, who was responsible for making sure the local phone company disconnected cell-phone service for some city workers."
This is 2002. Obama is already in the US Senate at that point, taking an unpopular stand on the Iraq invasion. She's simply out of her league on the national stage. There's nothing at all wrong with doing well the kind of city administration she did. But it's not a qualification for national office.
Doug
Just dropped in from Andrew Sully to see Rod's post and the
comments. I actually glanced at Malkin's blog yesterday
and was not surprised to see that she was slightly
suspicious of Hank Paulson due to the fact that he
has contacts and friendships with the "ChiComs". She
did not call him "The Manchurian Treasurer" but said
he needed watching b/c of his Chinese associations.
And then I read the comments. Unbelievable! Now I know
what Sen. Shelby heard when he found out what was
going on back home.
BTY, did Barney Frank really believe Shelby was
being all bipartisan? If Shelby understood what
Paulson was saying he changed his mind real fast when
they started hearing Commie and Socialist back
home in Bama.
Some ppl on the right understand.
Bill O'Reilly of all ppl was lacing into the
right wing talkers including Limbaugh while saving
parting shots for Frank. It was the usual both sides
are at fault routine. He understands what's at stake
and I am really surprised he is taking a stand.
Here's what happened; Limbaugh & Co. could see that ppl
who don't really know what's going on were up in
arms. McCain found out and saw his chance to kill
the agreement & use the crisis to possibly postpone
the debate, and at the same time iron out an agreement
to satisfy the folks back home and save his campaign.
AMAZING!!!
Palin is "a lot smarter" than Obama? I think DB is living in the bizarro world.
Being smart isn't everything, but it's silly to deny that Obama is exceptionally smart. It's hard to tell how smart Palin is, but the signs aren't encouraging.
She speaks as if she is desperately trying to remember what she's been told to say, but she can't seem to grasp the question so the answer is always out of sync.
"I wonder what other prominent Republican women (e.g., Elizabeth Dole, Olympia Snow, Kay Bailey-Hutchinson) are thinking when they watched the three (3!) interviews that Palin has been allowed to give in the last 28 days."
I don't know about the other two, but I suspect Olympia's wondering what happened to her party.
Yes, it reminds me of a C student pulling an all-nighter, hopped up with caffeine and bennies, grasping at words that tumble out in clumps from sluggish neurons poked mightily, stringing together fragments into clauses and conjunctions, hoping upon hope that these can pass for rational, cohesive thoughts.... just like I am doing now, except I am not running for the second most powerful job in the free world, only running to the loo to cleanse myself before well-deserved slumber.
Most of all, it points to a cynical choice by McCain. Either he did not vet/interview her properly, or the choice was only ment to throw a bone to conservatives. Her choice is definitely not an instance of choosing country first.
What a disaster! It's clear why the McCain campaign is trying so hard to keep her from any serious interviews. Is it a coincidence that this interview will air at a time when the entire country is transfixed by the "other" disaster (Bush's Wall Street mess)?
Let's not get distracted by the Palin sideshow though. This choice really tells us all we need to know about McCain's judgement.
As a European with a huge interest in American politics; what America does affects us all, it is jaw dropping to look at Palin's perfomance since her annointment. 'Pathetic' does not come near to describing her! I thought the worst was the panic of her handlers at the UN when she was asked a question but this is truly embarrasing.
In my country if a person was running for an office of any responsibility at all and performed like this the electorate would be like Simon Cowell at an American Idol audition "NEXT"!!
Please please America, wake up and save us all!! The world truly needs America to find itself again after the last eight years. I would be genuinely depressed for humanity if this 'currently' incapable person becomes VP!!
I have to wonder how much worse she might have fared against a truly critical and discerning interviewer like the late Tim Russert. I will miss his interviews and his relentless pursuit for answers to his difficult questions.
I can only LOL at the people that are still defending Palin. Are you blind, deaf, dumb, or just plain stubborn? Some are saying that Couric is biased in her questioning and that she would have never asked Obama the same question 4 times. Obama went up against the most obnoxious imbecile in the biz (O'Reilly) on the most right leaning network (FOX, duh) and handled it wonderfully. Not only that, even O'Reilly didn't bother to ask Obama the same question 4 times because it simply wasn't necessary. Obama had an answer for every question, addressed in full.
Regardless, I can't wait for the debate on Friday night, not to mention the VP debate. THAT will be one to record and replay for further laughs!!
Just to be clear, it's not that I don't like the woman or that I think she's unintelligent. I just think she's out of her league and has no business running for VP. Clearly she should have blinked a few times and given it some thought before accepting the offer to be on the ticket, rather than not "not even blink" and accepting on the spot. DOH!! Sorry Gov. Palin. I'm a little embarrassed for you now.
As an Alaskan, I can assure you that what you're seeing with Palin is something we have endured since the gubernatorial "debates" in 2006 when Palin was elected. I say "debates", but she adamantly refused to respond to direct, pointed questions, even when her opponents literally demanded clear answers. Despite the lies and hypocrisy - especially in connection with the "troopergate" investigation - until very recently her favorable ratings were sky high. Among moderates and progressives within Alaska, her swing in the past three weeks ranges from -17 to -28.5. Only among registered Republicans does she still pull high positives. Despite her persistent ignorance of foreign or domestic policy, for some reason she resonates with many people. Although fewer of us want her back after Nov. 4, for the good of the country I hope she ends up here in Alaska rather than in D.C. Come January I hope the legislature's memories are fresh and she faces impeachment. The country has only the vaguest idea what the McCain campaign has done to the executive branch in Alaska, with the full concurrence of this hypocrite who McCain somehow believes is qualified for something much more lofty than the local PTA. Be happy you don't live here; be hopeful you don't have to live with her for four years.
Congratulations to Rod Dreher for admitting he was wrong about Sarah Palin. We've all been wrong from time to time, the difference is not everybody is willing to admit it. Especially many of the pundits and bloggers we hear from each day.
I respect the basic philosophy of conservatism, even if I don't agree with much of it. But surely anybody with an ounce of objectivity can see how terribly wrong the conservative movement has gone in the past 14 years. Mind-boggling budget deficits, pre-emptive war in Iraq, the shredding of the Bill of Rights, the outright dishonesty and incompetence of most of the Bush Administration - is this really something conservatives can be proud of?
The best thing for conservatism is for it to have another 1964 election. Losing the White House and both houses of Congress just might force the conservative movement to stop its denial and look reality squarely in the eye. Will the kind of candor shown by Rod Dreher in today's post become widespread among conservatives?
Holy moly, what a disaster. I am starting to feel embarassed for her. She is simply out of her league.
Can anyone say with a straight face that she is truly prepared to be President? (God forbid something should happen to McCain should he become President, but look at the actuarial tables, and one has to at least stop to think...) It would be an unmitigated disaster -- the United States of America would be the laughing stock of the world.
I am sorry, but she is so bad that rational people of the Republican variety need to start factoring this into their voting decision.
Did she say, "When Putin REARS his head?" Are you serious, America?
I'm truly flabbergasted. not at Palin, she is (and isn't) what she is and there is little (if anything) she can do about it at this point, other than trying to discover that there is a wider world and to learn something about it.
I'm flabbergasted at McCain. He promised someone who could back him up in economics, and someone who would be strong on foreign policy, and delivered this closeted, backwards, fundamentally reclusive neophyte.
I'm disgusted. Well and truly disgusted. this is political pandering of the worst sort and playing games with the leader of the free world.
Obama will now get my vote, if for no other reason than to dispel this charade McCain is perpetrating on the nation.
With the way McCain has attempted to 'play' us, I wouldn't vote for him if he were the only candidate on the ticket.
It looks like we stand to lose either way, and that America is still in the middle of a many-years-long family feud that shows no signs of letting up. It looks like candidate versus candidate, but beneath and behind the faces and words, it's ideology versus ideology, candidate (in)competency be damned. They say that money problems are the number one cause of marital strife, and sibling rivalry has been with us since Cain and Abel, and Esau and Jacob, and Joseph and his brothers. Can this marriage or family be saved?
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"...and I'll bring 'em to ya."
I'm far from a McCain/Palin supporter, and I don't think she's qualified either,but I wonder if VP candidates were expected to be familiar with the ins and outs and details of their running mates previous careers in the past--unless Palin was prepared in advance for the question, which I dearly hope she wasn't.
If you asked Biden for specific examples of events from Obama's Community organizing career, could HE answer? And really, my best guess is that he couldn't. And Joe would answer "You know,I didn't memorize every little event from my running mate's history. I don't honestly have them at the tips of my fingers, let me let a staffer get back to you. This is what we have staffers FOR."
And no one would have thought him an idiot, because REALLY, would you know any of that stuff about your SPOUSE much less your running mate? Heck, I wouldn't either! Okay, Palin is an unready political hack, but I'm not sure it's fair to call her on this one.
I don't understand the lackof support for Palin and McCain. We say God sends us our leaders, and God has sent us these two. We should support them. It doesn't matter how they answer a question badly or perfectly, Jesus will lead them to make the right answers once they're in the whitehouse. Or do you not believe that??? Come on people. Pray for McCain and Palin, don't critisize their answers to the liberal press. God sent us Reagan, Bush 1, and Bush 2. Now he sends us McCain. And Palin!!!
It is sad really. Ultimately, this really reflects on Sen. McCain's judgment which as a conservative, I was wary of from the beginning. His erratic behavior over the last few weeks - veering from message to hysterics in a matter of minutes - is disturbing. I am not sure what is left here - can we nominate Romney instead of McCain? Maybe Huckabee as VP? Very, very disappointed in Sen. McCain who has shown he has neither the judgment or temperament to be president. I am afraid that many more conservatives will do what John McCain has been saying for months - put country first (and vote Obama). I disagree with Sen. Obama on many, many issues, but he at least has shown he is calm, competent and ready. As for Palin, all I can say is, someone please make it stop. She has become a farce, and that should be accepted.
Yes, it was an uncomfortable moment, but to be fair Biden, or Obama for that matter, has not be pressed on ANY issues. Katie's follow-up questions always seem to get lost when she interviews Democrats.
Palin seems inexperienced, yet she's more experienced than Obama.
"Jesus will lead them to make the right answers once they're in the whitehouse."
You are kidding, right? Jesus saves people, not because they're good people or good at governing or good at being moms or dads. He saves them because he chooses to. Once saved, they don't suddenly become smart, given magical powers to run government and understand complex international issues. They have new hearts and may grow in wisdom but that no more qualifies them for a particular job than a pagan. Pagans do very well at lots of things. Christians do very poorly at lots of things.
And how did you discern that God has sent us these two? When did he tell you that?
People who say Couric was at fault should look at this interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1yWTvfBR8M
where she interviewed Obama. She uses the same interview technique. Look, I don't care if you support Palin despite her blaringly obvious lack of knowledge, skill, intelligence, whatever. But don't pin this one on the media. This is the fault of John McCain. Period.
Shame on you. Our children deserve better from the American voting public.
"If you asked Biden for specific examples of events from Obama's Community organizing career, could HE answer? And really, my best guess is that he couldn't."
First of all, the relevant analogy would be with Obama's two terms in the Illinois Senate. (Could we please not forget that part of his career?) And yes, I would fully expect Joe Biden to be aware of Obama's past work on issues like the implementation of welfare reform, campaign finance reform, and the accessibility of health care and child care. Heck, I'm aware of it, despite never having lived in Illinois.
Palin was not being asked about random, minor legislative incidents from McCain's distant past. She was asked for concrete examples of McCain's accomplishments in the area of the financial markets. Hardly a sideline issue! I will say, though, that I didn't mind her drawing a blank on that part. That could happen to anyone, and I think it's absurd to draw conclusions about any politician based on one or two (or more!) gaffes. I was far more concerned about her random remarks about health care reform in the context of failing markets and her inability to say anything remotely sensible about Russia. I'd much rather her just admit that she doesn't have a lot of foreign policy experience, which we already know, and then show that she is a quick study. Alas, that last part is what so far is missing. Palin may well be a very smart woman, but it's not showing.
And those who think that it's possible to teach constitutional law at a law school without actually knowing anything about the Constitution have obviously never taught anything to graduate students. Obama has his failings, but it's pretty hard to deny that he is both highly intelligent and well-informed about the law.
For many years I was part of the religious segment of the population; I even studied to become a minister in a "fundamentalist" church of this country. I used to pray for our leaders.
How is it possible that Christians would suggest that "God sent us Reagan, Bush 1, and Bush 2. Now he sends us McCain. And Palin!!!"? How is that possible? If that were so, then certainly God sent us Clinton, and perhaps Obama. And Biden!!! That's what the Bible suggests.
God is not a Republican. Really. Please turn off your television sets or least switch channels. Leave your church or at least go less often. With the time you've saved, kneel, pray and seek wisdom in the book you think you believe in.
whoa there 'TheDoctor'.......easy now - you'll give yourself a coronary with all those excitable exclamation marks!!! If God sends us our leaders - does he only send the Republican ones - do those pesky Democrats slip through while God is napping? If God does shower Republicans (exclusively) down upon our grateful heads, then you seem to have forgotten the magnificence of Ford and Nixon. Perhaps they were not the 'right' kind of Republicans, is there some other hidden holy criteria that you have not revealed?
However, if you are under 30 then all is forgiven - as you are a doctor, not a historian, and could not reasonably be expected to investigate what must surely appear to be paleolithic pre-Reagan history.
Re: Tactical
Did you watch obama's interview with BILL O'REILLY?!??!? This is a total joke. You can't deny reality. Obama has answered tough questions over the course of an 18 month campaign. At what point will you admit this, or do you plan to deny truth for the rest of your life?
whoa there 'TheDoctor'.......easy now - you'll give yourself a coronary with all those excitable exclamation marks!!! If God sends us our leaders - does he only send the Republican ones - do those pesky Democrats slip through while God is napping? If God does shower Republicans (exclusively) down upon our grateful heads, then you seem to have forgotten the magnificence of Ford and Nixon. Perhaps they were not the 'right' kind of Republicans, is there some other hidden holy criteria that you have not revealed?
However, if you are under 30 then all is forgiven - as you are a doctor, not a historian, and could not reasonably be expected to investigate what must surely appear to be paleolithic pre-Reagan history.
God sent Bush and company? By that logic, God sent ALL of our presidents. Clinton too!
"TheDoctor | September 26, 2008 8:36 AM" is being facetious. His or her tongue is firmly planted in his or her cheek.
The mention of Tim Russert reminded me of Barack Obama's last appearance (I think) with the late anchor of Meet the Press, when Obama was grilled for about 13 minutes about his relationship with his former pastor - what defending him, then repudiating him said about Obama's judgment. I thought Obama did well.
I'm sorry Russert's gone, but I cringe at just the THOUGHT of a Russert-Palin interview.
It's truly sad to see the potential next VP of this country perform like this. I truly believe this is who she is at the absolute core. Intelligence is not overrated and the fact that a good education has taken a blow during this election, this just proves the lack thereof could lead to absolute babble and incoherence. McCain should be ashamed, just when you thought we could not go any lower in the brain barrel of the public, McCain finds Palin. I don't know about you I don't want someone just like me running this country, I want an exceptional individual running this country, not some average Joe, this is not your average Joe type of job and the fact that people perceive it to be is again, sad.
If these two knuckleheads get elected it will be because America truly desires to revel in its know-nothing, reality TV driven stupor.
Yep, I'm an educated, East Coast liberal elitist whose taxes prop up the boondock, hillbilly run states like Alaska. I don't mind if conservatives run this country but why can't they at least nominate someone who can construct a complete thought and present it in complete sentences? 8 years of GWB's mangling the language and endless non-sequitors is enough. The Republicans had Powell and Romney available. Why this adoration of folksy downhome ignorance?
If these two knuckleheads get elected it will be because America truly desires to revel in its know-nothing, reality TV driven stupor.- Posted by: clamflats | September 26, 2008 10:24 AM
I can't tell if you're talking about McCain and Palin or Obama and Biden.
I was very suprised to see Governor Palin fumble so badly after being
chosen by Sen. McCain and the Republican Party as the VP Candidate.
This must of been a bad day for her...or, just tired after long hours
of campaigning(?).
Knuckleheads is the perfect description...this campaign has one misstep after another. McCain is now "saving Americans" by using all his focus on the economic crisis and ending his campaign. (what a coincidence he's ending the campaign in time to avoid a debate with Obama) I wasn't aware that Americans are in harms way from this (yet, another) industry getting their comeuppance. It does happen every so often. It's called change. Americans are in no danger of being killed, they're just in danger of having to pull up their bootstraps like they've done time and time again. It's just another Republican running to save the big corporations and their CEO contributions.
I'm all in favor of women in charge, but Palin is less and less likeable (believeable) as time goes on - not the woman I will choose. I'd like to see some real leaders on the ticket. Unfortunately, politics isn't the realm for leaders anymore.
Knuckleheads is the perfect description...this campaign has one misstep after another. McCain is now "saving Americans" by using all his focus on the economic crisis and ending his campaign. (what a coincidence he's ending the campaign in time to avoid a debate with Obama) I wasn't aware that Americans are in harms way from this (yet, another) industry getting their comeuppance. It does happen every so often. It's called change. Americans are in no danger of being killed, they're just in danger of having to pull up their bootstraps like they've done time and time again. It's just another Republican running to save the big corporations and their CEO contributions.
I'm all in favor of women in charge, but Palin is less and less likeable (believeable) as time goes on - not the woman I will choose. I'd like to see some real leaders on the ticket. Unfortunately, politics isn't the realm for leaders anymore.
Joseph Dunst, omg that's beautiful. So subtle and elegant.
@ EricW | September 26, 2008 10:33 AM
"I can't tell if you're talking about McCain and Palin or Obama and Biden."
Funny!
but just in case that was a serious observation -
A knucklehead would sing "Bomb, bomb, bomb! Bomb, bomb Iran" and think himself clever. A knucklehead would cling to the myth of "abstinence only" sex education in the face of such a glaring example of its failure!
This could have been an article asking Obama HIS OWN accomplishments and he would have stuttered ...uhhh...ummmm...uhhh...hopenchange...uhhhh like a bad Beavis and Obama cartoon.
Palin has been McCain's running mate for what? One month?
Do you expect her to know his entire history and stance on issues in that time?
Obama and Biden can't even agree on which spin to use for the day, and they've been playing hide the weenie for 4 years now!
If clamflats is going to revel in Governor Palin's "non sequiturs" he should at least learn how to spell the word, since he's supposedly "elitist" (thinks he's smart and everything). There's a "u" at the end, not an "o". Look it up, Mr. Elitist.
I sent my daughter to college in Montreal, Canada and we maintained a condo with another family.
I paid bills, bought food, argued with companies and ate lots of French food. I spent several weeks living there over the years.
I live 30 miles from the Canadian border.
Does this qualify me to be VP with my experience?
What are conservative Republican thinking after 8 years of Bush?
Sarah Palin has lied to us, the American people.
She has an investigation that she is refusing to comply with even after promising Alaskans she would cooperate.
She has scary religious convictions, that she means to impose on the rest of us.Thanks, but no thanks.
She can hardly talk in sentences and has no foreign policy experience. If she were the Democratic VP nominee the Republicans would be screaming and the hypocrisy is amazing. No one should trust her to take over the responsibilities of the presidency.
And yet...here we are, Sarah Palin is the governor of Alaska and a candidate for vice president of the United States and everyone here is well...posting on this blog.
It's cool. Maybe FDR can go on TV and assure the nation like he did in 1929 that everything will be OK if you elect Democrats.
I'll leave it to you to discern where Biden's errors lie. And then you can write a column about how unprepared he is for the Vice Presidency based on these factually incorrect statements that he just "shoots from the hip" whenever he opens his mouth.
Sound fair?
She doesn't need to know every detail, but she should be able to provide more than one example on this issue, since it is the burning issue of the day.
Why? She never claimed that McCain was "pro-regulation". It was Couric who phrased the question in such a way making "pro-regulation" = "maverick". Her answer should have been: McCain supported more regulation on Wall Street, he didn't support more government interference in every other aspect of citizen's lives (a position supported by the Democrats).
She doesn't need to know every detail, but she should be able to provide more than one example on this issue, since it is the burning issue of the day.
Why? She never claimed that McCain was "pro-regulation". It was Couric who phrased the question in such a way making "pro-regulation" = "maverick". Her answer should have been: McCain supported more regulation on Wall Street, he didn't support more government interference in every other aspect of citizen's lives (a position supported by the Democrats).
You fools just don't get it. The press did the same thing to Reagan. They belittled him, berated him, called him stupid and unprepared, over his head and inexperienced. And in the beginning he was over-coached and green.
You people act as if every Palin interview is sudden death, and if she isn't absolutely perfect then its the end of the world. 60,000 people came out to see Sarah Palin just last week. Like Reagan, she is connecting with average americans without the help of the press.
Palin has done everything McCain needed in a running mate: energize the base, bring in money and volunteers, and change the conversation. Anything good she does from here on out is gravy. She is playing with house money. Geez, Bush was campaigning for over a year and couldn't answer a single question about leaders of foreign countries. She is more then capable, but there is a learning curve for dealing with elite media. She will be fine.
But please stop the 'sky is falling' routine every time she flubs a question. Relax. In the end, its Obama vs McCain.
Failed your logic class? No wonder your a Republican...
Get off your high horse chief!
It is a great debate to have: Does the Democrat Presidential nominee have more executive experience than the Republicans VICE-Presidential nominee?
What has Obama ever run, other than a corrupt street hustling organization that runs with the likes of ACORN, and also is guilty of much proven and documented voter fraud.
I am still waiting, not so patiently, for anyone, and I mean ANYONE, in the so-called mainstream media (code for liberal media) to ask obama any serious questions like Palin has been asked in the 3 weeks since she has been the VP nominee.
Maybe you can get a sit down with obama and ask him some tough, serious and necessary questions?
OK - fine - she *didn't* do a great job outwitting Katie Couric.
But it's not like a President or Vice President of the U.S. ever has to outwit anyone with more power than a former co-host of the Today show.
Oh. Wait . . . we might have a problem here.
I ddidn't see anyone complaining about John Edwards back in 2004. Hhe had only 2 years in the Senate before trying to run for President and then Vice President. She has vastly more experience with Government than he ever did.
Everyone worries about her foreign policy experience based upon a "what if" scenario. It seems to me these people are saying "I down't want to worry about maybe having someone inexperienced in the white house, I want Obama so I can have it for sure!"
I don't disagree about her interviews, she could have done better. I think she feels she has to parse her views through the McCain platform - she's clearly unused to being number 2 on a ticket. Then again, she also doesn't get the kid gloves treatment Obama and Biden have gotten from the same interviewers.
I'm really tired of all the bashing from both sides of the aisle. Look, Sarah Palin is a bright woman who has been elevated very quickly to the next level. I don't expect her to in a month, demonstrate a perfect working knowledge of foreign policy, nor a detailed grasp of the economy. That will come with surrounding herself with experts and time. We have time. John McCain is not going to collapse on Day Two in the Oval Office.
What we have is a complex system that is so out of control we need people interpreting our economy (naked shorts? I ask you), and our foreign policy as it relates to trade, treaties, and foreign aid. This need for interpretation extends to many in our governing body - you remember, that primer prepared by the Treasury Dept. on economic terms that would be used in the presentation? If our elected officials don't have a working knowledge of the very policy THEY HELP TO CREATE, then it's too complicated. Charles Rangel can't understand the tax law he oversees, so you can understand the average person's frustration with elitism.
Our founding fathers wrote a constitution that anyone who could read could understand. I'm not an elitist, though I certainly pay enough taxes to fit the criteria. I attended a state university, received a solid education, and currently spend a lot of time reading news and commentary by a wide array of thinkers. Frankly, I am disgusted that politics has become so convoluted that we need to have specialized knowledge to understand the details. That's what Sarah Palin brings to the big picture. She communicates well with regular people, she understands the issues that Americans want resolved and her political instincts are good in that she does very well in townhall meetings and on the campaign trail. Comfort with the "gotcha" media crowd will come with time - I don't expect miracles and neither does the general population.
I'm finding that more and more of the commentators are behaving like the media elite in their bubble of perfection being the enemy of good enough. Sarah Palin is the right VP candidate for the time. Is she perfect? No. My personal choice was Romney, but I was happy with the Palin pick because of her accomplishments in Alaska.
OK - fine - she *didn't* do a great job outwitting Katie Couric.
But it's not like a President or Vice President of the U.S. ever has to outwit anyone with more power than a former co-host of the Today show.
Oh. Wait . . . we might have a problem here.
I ddidn't see anyone complaining about John Edwards back in 2004. Hhe had only 2 years in the Senate before trying to run for President and then Vice President. She has vastly more experience with Government than he ever did.
Everyone worries about her foreign policy experience based upon a "what if" scenario. It seems to me these people are saying "I down't want to worry about maybe having someone inexperienced in the white house, I want Obama so I can have it for sure!"
I don't disagree about her interviews, she could have done better. I think she feels she has to parse her views through the McCain platform - she's clearly unused to being number 2 on a ticket. Then again, she also doesn't get the kid gloves treatment Obama and Biden have gotten from the same interviewers.
I can’t believe that any of you people criticizing her actually watched the interview with an open mind - she was perfect in the way she answered Couric’s ignorance about Alaska. Of course living next to a country will give you insight into the relations between your country and it, and insight into what type of regime runs that country. Her scornful tone was perfect.
And shedoes have qalifications:
Executive experience as a change agent as a Governor, fighting corruption and gov’t waste. Executive experience with budgeting and running a government. Experience with energy issues – we have an energy crisis that is threatening our national security. Life experience that has taught her the core values that have made America a great nation: Free Market/Pro-growth economic policies, Strong national defense to stand up to evil regimes rather than appease them, A gov’t that promotes traditional Judeo/Christian values, in a non-coercive way.
As for the neo-evangelicals, like Rod, that oppose her, why not admit that you do so because you're afraid of losing your credibility on the PC Bos-Wash, Hollywood cocktail pary circuit?
Her answer should have been: McCain supported more regulation on Wall Street, he didn't support more government interference in every other aspect of citizen's lives (a position supported by the Democrats).
I don't agree with the response, but I do agree the response would have been an acceptable one for Palin to have offered.
But she didn't do that, did she?
She's not ready to be president, and the facts to date indicate she never, ever will be.
That McCain chose as his running mate someone so manifestly unable to be president very strongly indicates his decision making style is not presidential, either.
Neither one should ever occupy the White House.
Thanks Rod. I respect you your honesty and judgment. I must ask the next question though: what do you say about the people who continue to defend her, or who try to change the subject and attack couric, or biden, or whomever? Do you see how far gone they are? They usually respect you. Can you try to bring them back around?
You can make anyone look like an idiot or incredibly inteligent with creative editing. I won't take any pre-televised interview seriously anymore, especially after her ABC appearance.
I've asked this before and still there is silence.
Now seriously Democrats, why should I vote for your guy? Come on, you make me laugh when you tell me that Palin shouldn't be VP because of lack of experience. Yet, inexperience isn't an issue for Obama? And he's going for POTUS! So I'm supposed to vote for an inexperienced person who will be guarnteed POTUS as opposed to an inexperienced person for VPOTUS. At least the VPOTUS can learn something before becoming POTUS. Your answer please.
Compared to Algore, Stretch Pelosi and Dingy Harry Reid, Sarah Palin is Einstein!!!
Its interesting to read the opinions of people (commenters) who are utterly committed to the Republican ticket. Out of academic curiousity, to you folks who think that the media is being "unfair" and asking her "harder questions", what academic incompetence would disqualify her from office? Is there no such thing as being objectively, academically, unqualified for office when a pol is able to "connect with regular people"? Is the only criteria you folks are using to judge this woman a gut-check? Not to be insulting, but is it pure unbridled, irrational feeling?
Just curious.
Monday morning quarterbacking is not insight or analysis. I would like to know how eruditely you or anyone else would reply in a similar situation. Governor Palin is new on the national political scene and as a second spot candidate has to be careful to be in agreement with Sen. McCain. She may not has said it in the style of Cicero, but she has never said anything untrue or contradictory to Sen. McCain, unlike another vice-presidential candidate i can think of.
For 8 years, we've been spoon fed the old line that Bush is dumb and can't speak and all this nonsense. However true that may or may not be, I look at what he has done in his administration and I am happy to have lived during it. My small business and my own personal finances and life have benefited from his Presidency. I think that would also be true of a Palin Presidency. Next time I'm in a position to vote for "Interviewee In Chief", I'll give a second thought to voting for her. Otherwise, I really couldn't care less how well she does with the MSM.
And here I though John McCain was interested in putting Country First in his campaign for President. Does the Palin pick pass that muster? Is she ready to lead on Day One? It seems to me, through the last eight years or so, has been a failure from the Republican Party for intellectual honesty. How else can one explain the explosion of the national debt, a war of choice in Iraq and the willingness to give George W. Bush a blank check to trample on the Constitution? My father was a stalwart Republican all his life; wounded fighting the Nazis during the Battle of the Bulge. He passed away shortly after 9-11, but I am sure he would look over at what his party has devolved into and sadly exclaim, "I didn't get shot up in Belgium to see my country sink to using the same methods the Nazis used on my captured buddies. We need to ask ourselves what we want our country to be and be truly honest with the people who we have propped up to lead us.
I don't think that her limited knowledge of John McCain's legislative record disqualifies her as Vice President. Why don't the media ask her questions about who she is and what she and done and would do? I think she is being very limited by the McCain campaign b/c they don't want her to make a mistake. I think she should come out swinging and start turning the tables on her questioners. Why don't you stop asking me questions that come from Bob Eubanks on the Newlywed game!
Sarah...Sarah...Sarah....
I suggest that those basing their opinion of Palin's skills take a look at teh CSPAN footage of her debates in the Alaska Republican Primary for Governor with Murkowski and the other republican challenger. Keep in mind she is debating a sitting Governor with 22 years experience in the Senate as well. She did pretty well. She won the primary and then debated and defeated the former Democratic Gov in the general election. I agree with the other poster here, a big part of the prpblem Palin is having is feeling the need to mirror McCains message. Lets see what she does with smokin Joe Biden.
I watched all of it.
I'm just flabbergasted.
She sure is a vacuous lightweight isn't she?
Yeah, I'm talking about Katie Couric.
But it also describes Sarah Palin too.
The only notable difference was all those years of polish on Couric's part.
IMHO it's an airhead interviewing an airhead.
At least CBS will be able to wash its hands of that bad joke right after the election.
Should McCain win this is what we'll get for a Vice-President.
I can't hear it now; ''No, she's not that bad''.
Guess what? The real Sarah Palin did stand up!
We've all heard about how she was a sportscaster right?
See it for yourself, the sheer emptiness stands right out. You can see why she didn't last long at that job.
God help us all.
Just to add to my namesake's question, why Rod, do you infer that she is a good woman and may make a great governor of Alaska. There is now a bunch of data on the record that shows (a) she has a real truth-telling problem, (b) that she's not nearly as quick a study as she was made out to be (or else the Couric interview, with its completely unsurprising non-gotcha questions would not have been such a train wreck), (c) that her governance record in Wasilla and, briefly in Alaska is littered with suspect moments, from a 25 percent highly regressive sales tax hike and a mountain of debt accumulated in Wasilla to exceptionally poor appointments and a seemingly significant personnel/personal scandal in the public safety area, (and more besides). And so on.
What's so good about that? I'm not snarking -- I'm serious. What kind of evidence would you need to conclude that she is what she appears to be, a Potemkin candidate who displays the right and the Right superficial qualities, but on examaination does not actually posess them?
The only person who speaks off the cuff in anything resembling coherence is McCain. I'm not voting for either candidate, but Biden is a gaffe waiting to happen and Palin, yes, this is her first national media exposure... but its inexcusable that she sounds like she's repeating cliff notes. Senator Obama however, is also a stuttering dope. And HE'S running for the Presidency.
You do the math.
Or stop voting for these incompetents and tell the two-part system to STICK IT.
PS - Rod, what ticks people off is that PALIN is asked more difficult questions regarding legislation and doctrine. OF COURSE she should know the answers and be able to provide them coherently. But Obama and Biden are RARELY asked such questions. Biden's been in Washington for time immemorial. Obama's been a professional campaigner for his entire political career. They SHOULD be grilled in exactly the same manner, on the same topics. I guarantee you they'd sound EQUALLY BUFFOONISH. Tough when the MSM is clearly IN THE TANK.
For 8 years, we've been spoon fed the old line that Bush is dumb and can't speak and all this nonsense. However true that may or may not be, I look at what he has done in his administration and I am happy to have lived during it. My small business and my own personal finances and life have benefited from his Presidency. I think that would also be true of a Palin Presidency. Next time I'm in a position to vote for "Interviewee In Chief", I'll give a second thought to voting for her. Otherwise, I really couldn't care less how well she does with the MSM.
You can make anyone look like an idiot or incredibly inteligent with creative editing. I won't take any pre-televised interview seriously anymore, especially after her ABC appearance.
The trouble is, that's the ony kind of interview the McCain-Palin campaign has allowed. If Palin had a genuine, live press conference, you could evaluate her without worrying about editing. My impression is that the compaign chose this format in the belief that the candidate would make a better impression this way than in the hurly-burly of open questioning.
I have seen video of Palin in an Alaska gubernatorial debate. She was very good. I would call her the most polished of the participants. And she seemed to know what she was talking about. On the other hands, the issues of the debate were things totally foreign to the U.S. presidency, like local fish and game policy and how best to tax and distribute oil income.
Easy for Couric to be condescending. She has the questions and doesn't need to know any answers. Palin is expected to know the answer to any question over any topic presented by anyone in the world.
I don't believe any VP nominee has ever been the focus of so much scrutiny in our history. Remember Governors Carter, Dukakis, and Clinton? Just imagine if she had said something about FDR going on television to address the nation?
No one person can be expected to have all the answers. I would more highly value the ability to pick a sound group of advisors.
Don't ignore that we hear empty responses from Obama on a daily basis.
No scrutiny there.
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I agree that her awkward delivery and her lack of knowledge regarding political minutiae do not disqualify her to be VP. But, appearances matter and she comes off looking like a dumbshit. Romney would have been a much better choice and would speaking eloquently right now about this economic crisis. Hell, for that matter he would have been a better nominee and would be winning this thing right now. The GOP deserve what they get this year.....President Barack Obama.
Sarah Palin cannot be expected to know all these national economic issues with foreign policy like a Henry Kissinger.
I read a bunch of comments about her interview with Couric. I then watched it, and thought she did fine for someone of that experience. She definitely knows where McCain stands on Iran: Don't let them have nukes, simple. Israel has a right to protect themselves.
She is not as articulate as many, but talk is cheap. She's on the ticket cause she is a maverick like McCain who would not be afraid to Veto wasteful discretionary spending. She took on the old boys network in Alaska and won. She has Guts. The MSM is desparately trying to destroy her because she is basically a good person and epitomizes all that is wrong with Washington.
She is Mrs. Smith going to Washington, and if she needs technical experience, she'll hire it for a cabinet like EVERY other President we've had.
However, I do believe McCain needs to let her be Sarah. Biden makes a gaffe just about every day, but the leftist MSM protects him. Sarah is being attacked like no other person in recent politics except for maybe Clarence Thomas. The attacks on her are disgusting and make me ashamed to be an American.
Actually "regurgitating talking points" is - unfortunately - their main job. I was a lib back in 2000, and was excited by the choice of the articulate "maverick" Joe Liebs for VP. But, starting right with his acceptance speech, no more informative articulateness. Just bland, mindless talking points, word-for-word, analogy-for-analogy. It's a feature, not a bug.
"I don't believe any VP nominee has ever been the focus of so much scrutiny in our history."
You're joking, right?
Or is this just another to-be-often-repeated lie that we hope is said often enough to become myth in the hope of fabricating a social reality?
No other choice for Veep by McCain would have done much. Romney could only have brought him CO, and no way could he have brought him MI.
Romney, although a good man, would not have brought any excitement.
Any pick of a white guy, and Obama would coast through this. He is a known quantity and would never have brought the base of the party except for some economic conservatives. The MSM would have wolloped him too, but there'd be no backlash.
Mitt needs to just sit tight and wait for another chance later. Romney/Jindal might be reasonable if Romney can convince us he is really pro-life, and not just for political reasons.
I agree with the commentators who say that maybe education and brains have been underestimated in this country for a while. Why are we so incensed that one man (Obama) can teach Constitutional Law and has degrees from Columbia and Harvard (I am not fan of Harvard, but it is tougher to get in than the University of Idaho)? Is that so bad? I mean, when I read that McCain was in the last 10 of his US Naval Academy class, that Sarah Palin had to traipse through 4 schools before getting her degree, that GWB has a Yale degree with average C taking shit classes (and yes a Harvard MBA, but obviously, they didn't ask him to speak or defend his opinions there), and then I watch the results, I am made to think: Obama can string together sentences and, even if he does not say something of substance, at least appears intelligent; the three (McCain, Palin, GWB) are an embarrassment for all their teachers, and us Americans... When has ignorance become a prerequisite for running a country like the US? Maybe Foucault was wrong: knowledge does not equal power, it just provokes the contempt of those who never had it.
You are an embarrassment, Dreher. It's a sign of democratic excess that you write for a living rather than pour cement. Perhaps one benifit of the economic crisis will be the migration of hack pundits to more suitable employments. Time to move those refrigerators, time to move those color TVs.
I agree that she doesn't give the best interviews ever,(she is not as gaffe filled as Biden is atleast) but how long has she been on the national scene?...like 4 weeks? The ability to speak on your feet, well, is usually a skill that is developed over time, with practice. Give her a bit of a break.
Not being a wiz at an interview doesn't prove that she isn't capable of leading or in making the tough, important decisions. I think that you had such high expectations of her, that you are now disappointed that she isn't the perfect candidate. This is the flip side of being "the fresh face." This is what Obama has been running on for the last 2 years, "I am the new guy!" And like it or not, America is ready for "new." Which new would you rather have?
Sarah Palin has proven that she is a capable and popular governor. I might mention that she has had the highest approval ratings of any governor in this country. I would have more of a problem if she was the top of the ticket rather than the bottom.
I have always believed that the VP should be the future of the party and will be learning and preparing for the position of President at the side of the current Pres. A governor going to VP and then to Pres should be the natural progression.
I think given time, Palin will become more well rounded in dealing with the press and her natural gifts will come to the fore front. The excitement and enthusiasm that she has generated in this country shows that she is what our country wants and needs. She is what the Republican party needs.
You are an embarrassment, Dreher. It's a sign of democratic excess that you write for a living rather than pour cement. Perhaps one benifit of the economic crisis will be the migration of hack pundits to more suitable employments. Time to move those refrigerators, time to move those color TVs.
I liked her and feel absolutely comfortable with Sarah Palin's judgement abilities as VP and as POTUS if should something awful happen to McCain.
Her answer to Katie Couric regarding not second guessing Israel was very good.
Couric: But you said never second guess them.
Palin: We don’t have to second-guess what their efforts would be if they believe … that it is in their country and their allies, including us, all of our best interests to fight against a regime, especially Iran, who would seek to wipe them off the face of the earth. It is obvious to me who the good guys are in this one and who the bad guys are. The bad guys are the ones who say Israel is a stinking corpse and should be wiped off the face of the earth. That’s not a good guy who is saying that. Now, one who would seek to protect the good guys in this, the leaders of Israel and her friends, her allies, including the United States, in my world, those are the good guys.
Plus I liked her answer to Katie Couric’s first question (paraphrasing) “it seems you don’t care about the world because you don’t have a passport”. Sarah’s response is very real and I think a lot of people can relate:
“I’m not one of those who maybe came from a background of, you know, kids who perhaps graduate college and their parents give them a passport and give them a backpack and say go off and travel the world.
No, I’ve worked all my life. In fact, I usually had two jobs all my life until I had kids. I was not a part of, I guess, that culture. The way that I have understood the world is through education, through books, through mediums that have provided me a lot of perspective on the world.”
I doubt journalists will ever regain the trust and respect of the people they look down their noses at, the people they need to keep them in business. The people they forgot that they work for.
Journalistic integrity no longer exists, and that saddens me, but I acknowledge it and accept it.
May I be so bold as to remind journalists that, as much as they obviously despise this country, that it is their country too.
So keep promoting a junior Senator who, even though he graduated from harvard law school has not accomplished much of anything, and what he has accomplished, sought out the help of people like Wright, Ayres, Dhorn, Emil jones, and Daly.
And please keep degrading a woman who, unlike obama, didn't have the benefit of a harvard education, but managed, without the help of convicted felons, racist anti american pastor and corrupt politicans still mananaged to get elected Governor , got rid of corruption, cut taxes and have a 80% approval rating from the people of her state.
I can't, of course, argue with Mr. Dreher's assertion that the interview was a "debacle," because both his opinion and his overheated word choices are his own to freely make. What he will cite as evidence for his beliefs is obviously open to interpretation -- a number of commenters have shown they believe Gov. Palin's performance wasn't as bad as he believes, and they watched the same interview.
I can and will argue that cheap shots like this: "She makes George W. Bush sound like Cicero" are unseemly and not very characteristic of the charity advocated by a number of adherents of the religion I understand Mr. Dreher to claim.
In any event, I can't say the end effect of such a shot is totally negative -- because of it, my web-surfing is one site less complicated beginning today.
Rod Dreher is a very thoughtful, good person. He has an archive of conservative values expressed on Beliefnet.com. Then he writes one blog entry about the disaster of Sarah Palin and the comments above show readers coming unglued. The dumbing down and total knee jerk reaction of so many Palin supporters is frightening.
I am very sympathetic to Palin, but this type of interview has got to stop. She is embarrassing herself and is doing great damage to the ticket. I've seen her in other interviews and she is not really this bad. Her confidence is destroyed and it really shows. She is asking the country to trust her to potentially be president. Based upon these interviews I wouldn't trust her to run a classroom. I believe the McCain campaign has not done an ample job of building her up to meet the challenges of the media. They need to get her a coach to get her up to speed. Unfortunately, the damage has been done. She has to come out with a GREAT debate to be reassuring and she then needs to interact with the media more, a lot more. In a time of great difficulty, the country follows those who they perceive can lead. She sandbags the ticket on this front. She needs to reconstruct her narrative and be more bold in an artful way in less than 40 days. Good luck to her.
Yes, Palin wasn't a star on Couric.
But Biden manages to gaffe and offend nearly EVERYONE, but it's all just filed under "oh, that's just Joe Biden." By making so many errors, he is now immune to criticism from them. Argh.
After reading this post, I had to check out your previous posts to see if you were really a conservative, or just pretending to be one.
I guess I conceed you are a conservative. So what is the point in writing such a slam article on Palin? I don't see many articles by you focusing on the other candidates. Matter of fact, the main theme of your articles seems to be complaining about one thing or another.
Methinks you have been infected with the mindset of the mainstream media. Complaining and pointing out defects in others is the easiest path to take. Standing up for someone or something that is imperfect, and defending that support takes guts.
Which path are you taking? I suggest you consider it.
Elitest drivel, Dreher. You sound like the oh-so-smart entertainers on the West Coast and the I'm-brighter-than-you pundits, socialites, and Ivy-leaguers on the East Coast who are just positive that they know what's best for us po' dumb folk down in flyover country.
Palin has a job. Her job is to talk up John McCain, not box him in, and not get herself in any sticky "gotcha" moments. The dishonesty about her from every side of the political arena is disgusting -- and pointless.
She's not going anywhere. If John McCain loses this race, it won't be because of Palin.
oh, please. If Mr. Dreher would've been blindly praising the V.P candidate blindly like the rest of you all, you would have thanked him profusely for being an honest member of the media, one who is able to see through all the bull. But becuase he puts his country first by realizing that his candidate is not suited to hold the presidential office, you attack him and blame the media for everything going wrong with Sarah Palin.
Why don't you just open your eyes, and see the truth. See her for what she actually is; A very smart, charasmatic, confident woman who is not yet ready for the highest office in the U.S don't be blinded by religion, and the fact that she agrees with your anti-abortion and anti-homosexual stance.
She is simply wrong for this country on many levels, and I applaud Mr. Dreher for being able to go against his party's popular opinion, and think for himself, which you all should do. Think for yourself. Don't just vote for her because she shares your religion.
Honestly, take a look at that video, and really take a moment to determine if she is honestly ready to be PUSA much less the vice president.
C'mon. If Sarah Palin had said that FDR went on national TV after the 1929 market crash, you'd probably wet yourself in outrage that she could be a VP nominee.
But for Joe it's completely ignored. If you don't want to vote for her, then don't, but you can't tell me she's mediocre.
Using Palin logic, since I live near a hospital and can see a hospital, I'm qualified as a brain surgeon.
oh, please. If Mr. Dreher would've been blindly praising the V.P candidate blindly like the rest of you all, you would have thanked him profusely for being an honest member of the media, one who is able to see through all the bull. But becuase he puts his country first by realizing that his candidate is not suited to hold the presidential office, you attack him and blame the media for everything going wrong with Sarah Palin.
Why don't you just open your eyes, and see the truth. See her for what she actually is; A very smart, charasmatic, confident woman who is not yet ready for the highest office in the U.S don't be blinded by religion, and the fact that she agrees with your anti-abortion and anti-homosexual stance.
She is simply wrong for this country on many levels, and I applaud Mr. Dreher for being able to go against his party's popular opinion, and think for himself, which you all should do. Think for yourself. Don't just vote for her because she shares your religion.
Honestly, take a look at that video, and really take a moment to determine if she is honestly ready to be PUSA much less the vice president.
Personally, I'm thankful that so many Republicans refuse to acknowledge any problems with their ticket. If they understood the obvious flaws with McCain/Palin, they might be able to fix them in time to win the election: maybe by replacing her on the ticket, or by hiring some smart political people instead of Rove-team benchwarmers. But this "everything is fine, full speed ahead" attitude will hand the election to Obama. Thanks, guys!
With all due respect to Dreher's detractors in the comments posted here, I have to ask: Are you kidding with this?
"I have always believed that the VP should be the future of the party and will be learning and preparing for the position of President at the side of the current Pres."
With a GOP candidate for President who has one foot in the grave, with the country mired in quicksand in Iraq and Afghanistan, with the economy mired in toxic waste and with the Constitution hanging in tatters after the predations of the Bush (not to mention Cheney, who stood your mentor/mentee formulation on its ear) years, you want to elect a Vice President who is essentially an intern? Just how much Kool-Aid have you drunk?
I work in administration at a large academic medical center and I see many, many candidates for mid- and senior-level positions. If I held an interview in which the candidate performed as badly as Palin did with Gibson and Couric I'd close the door behind them and get on the phone to HR to find out who okayed that candidate for consideration, because I wouldn't want that person making those decisions any more.
And make no mistake, that's what Palin (and Obama, McCain and Biden) is doing: applying for a job. She's asking the American people to hire her and her interactions with the press are for all intents and purposes her interviews. Can you seriously look me in the eye and tell me that you'd hire this candidate to be a VP in your company?
I think some of the commenters are missing the point. It's not the evil media or the liberals doing this. This is directly from John McCain deciding he would rather win an election and destroy an intelligent woman who could have been a major star in the Republican Party.
She's being ground down into hamburger just so McCain could shake the race up.
Sure you can game the system by trying to keep her from doing interviews or by trying to delay the debate, but you'll lose the independents. and that'll be the death of the McCain Campaign.
There are gaffes, and then there is this. This woman has no sense of the world we live in. Her lack of travels and perspectives shows. I don't doubt that she is a skilled memorizer. She is able to spew the talking points fed to her, but has no ability to assimilate information and create a single original thought. That conservatives continue to defend incompetence after 8 years of Bush is singularly amazing to me.
I don't know where all the new pro-Palin readers are coming from, but it's jarring for someone who went as all out as I did for Palin in the beginning to read people who have no idea who I am or what I stand for to come in and accuse me of being part of the Snotty-Tot Liberal Media.
Yeah will at least Gov Palin's answers were far better than Couric's questions.
Here's the thing, Gov. Palin is the only candidate on either ticket who is not a current member of the most corrupt Congress in US history which has over the last two decades systemically looted the American taxpayer through incestuous Democratic politician's Freddie-Fannie Mortgage Fraud.
Further, in less than two years Gov Palin has gained more experience with actual Reform than all the other candidates combined.
That said, name one thing Obama has successfully accomplished since he entered public office, which began at the home of Bill Ayres, in 1995?
One successful accomplishment in 18 years.
Name just one.
I've noticed that the Palin attacks are always personal. ...Never about how she governed. George Bush didn't need to become a Teleprompter King in order to thwart the MANY terrorist attacks since 9-11 that have failed. Palin has impressive accomplishments and is in the VP slot. Obama has only words, and he wants to be President.
haha....if Democrats really thought Palin was a detriment they'd just keep their mouths shut. you media types are so transparent. What exactly were John Edwards foreign policy credentials?
The media has very artfully created the Obama persona. His bloopers never reach the front pages. His poor elocution and incoherent ramblings have only been caught on home video. When we do have unscripted moments, his ignorance is easily discernible. In addition, his education, much like Kerry's heroism, is never analyzed by the media. For instance, his undergraduate transcript hasn't been publicly available and his scholarship at the Harvard law review was less than stellar. As for Biden, his educational record is scandalous.
However, education is not an end in itself. Rather, it is how people apply that education. Obama's record of achievement is slight. He has been a dilettante at best. As a lawyer, he wrote his biography. As a community organizer (aka ward heeler) he failed his supposed constituents. As a Illinois assemblyman, his record was unremarkable. As US senator, he was undistinguished.
On the other hand, Palin is the model of American success. She rose from the ranks of the populace to become Governor of Alaska. She took her opportunities and made them count. She didn't have the opportunities that McCain and Obama have had. She didn't go to the elite prep school that feed the ivy league machine. She was truly grassroots. She challenge the entrenched powers and won. Her and McCain's record of achievement in the real world far out weighs the woeful inadequate accomplishments of the highly educated Obama and his lackey Biden.
Get a clue, SAT scores aren't the end of the story
With all due deference to Val, I'm not so sure we want to compare GPA's here. While GWB got C's at Yale, he got better grades and had a higher entrance exam score than either opponent he met in his two elections.
Obama has yet to release his school records. While it is usually wrong to assume, lets do so anyway, because the reason for the lack of disclosure appears obvious. Harvard has a program to recruit African American and other minority students that awards them extra credit just for being a minority. This is common knowledge reported on by CBS, WSJ, Newsweek, Time and just about every major news organization out there. While I won't comment on the overall ramification of the program, the likely reason Obama won't release his scores is he was a beneficiary of that program. Which means he scored lower on the SAT/ACT and probably lower in the classroom than many of his non-minority contemporaries. He still completed the degree, which is a mark in his favor, but what WERE the grades he recieved? If he benefited from this program of inflating grades and test scores, his actual grades in all likelihood show his intelligence and education level to be near, or perhaps less, than McCain's.
What the previous writer stated: "When has ignorance become a prerequisite for running a country like the US?" comes across as arrogant and elitist (although I will grant that the writer probably didn't mean it to sound as such); it begs the question "where does it say in the Constitution that attendance at Harvard or Princeton is a pre-requisite for running for office?" Likewise, why is it that those who are critical of McCain or Palin make such a big deal out of the fact their education wasn't at one of the "accepted" schools? I'll stack my Clemson University Philosophy/Religious Studies degree against just about any Ivy league school graduate out there. It is this notion of elitism that makes McCain and Palin attractive in this campaign. (Palin more so than McCain, whom I as a registered Republican am NOT happy with as the Party's candidate.) I don't feel they are trying to talk down to me, or tell me they are smarter and better than me, so I should just do as they say. Mr. Obama is NOT very articulate when not presented with a prepared text, Mr. Biden has his foot perpetually in his mouth - as his recent gaffe about Roosevelt appearing on TV during the Great Depression highlights - and neither of them, nor the MSM, seem to understand the basic fact that it is OVERregulation that caused our economic crisis, not underregulation. (And giving the very people responsible - most of whom went to Harvard, Yale, etc. - money to recapitalize so they can continue their government-mandated preditory lending practices on poor people, is nothing more than strong-arm robbery by the government, with BOTH parties driving the get-a-way car.) In short, while McCain and Palin offer solutions to our country's ills that are not much better than Obama and Biden's, at least the GOP will acknowledge my complaints about their stealling from me, even if they won't stop the theft. The Democrats won't even acknowledge its my wallet.
With all due deference to Val, I'm not so sure we want to compare GPA's here. While GWB got C's at Yale, he got better grades and had a higher entrance exam score than either opponent he met in his two elections.
Obama has yet to release his school records. While it is usually wrong to assume, lets do so anyway, because the reason for the lack of disclosure appears obvious. Harvard has a program to recruit African American and other minority students that awards them extra credit just for being a minority. This is common knowledge reported on by CBS, WSJ, Newsweek, Time and just about every major news organization out there. While I won't comment on the overall ramification of the program, the likely reason Obama won't release his scores is he was a beneficiary of that program. Which means he scored lower on the SAT/ACT and probably lower in the classroom than many of his non-minority contemporaries. He still completed the degree, which is a mark in his favor, but what WERE the grades he recieved? If he benefited from this program of inflating grades and test scores, his actual grades in all likelihood show his intelligence and education level to be near, or perhaps less, than McCain's.
What the previous writer stated: "When has ignorance become a prerequisite for running a country like the US?" comes across as arrogant and elitist (although I will grant that the writer probably didn't mean it to sound as such); it begs the question "where does it say in the Constitution that attendance at Harvard or Princeton is a pre-requisite for running for office?" Likewise, why is it that those who are critical of McCain or Palin make such a big deal out of the fact their education wasn't at one of the "accepted" schools? I'll stack my Clemson University Philosophy/Religious Studies degree against just about any Ivy league school graduate out there. It is this notion of elitism that makes McCain and Palin attractive in this campaign. (Palin more so than McCain, whom I as a registered Republican am NOT happy with as the Party's candidate.) I don't feel they are trying to talk down to me, or tell me they are smarter and better than me, so I should just do as they say. Mr. Obama is NOT very articulate when not presented with a prepared text, Mr. Biden has his foot perpetually in his mouth - as his recent gaffe about Roosevelt appearing on TV during the Great Depression highlights - and neither of them, nor the MSM, seem to understand the basic fact that it is OVERregulation that caused our economic crisis, not underregulation. (And giving the very people responsible - most of whom went to Harvard, Yale, etc. - money to recapitalize so they can continue their government-mandated preditory lending practices on poor people, is nothing more than strong-arm robbery by the government, with BOTH parties driving the get-a-way car.) In short, while McCain and Palin offer solutions to our country's ills that are not much better than Obama and Biden's, at least the GOP will acknowledge my complaints about their stealling from me, even if they won't stop the theft. The Democrats won't even acknowledge its my wallet, because I didn't go to the right school.
Just for contrast, when asked to list Obama's actual accomplishments, Democrats don't even offer to look.
Where are Biden's prime time sit downs with Gibson & Couric since his nomination? As a perpetual gaffe machine, surely, he'd have made a splash that we'd remember, wouldn't we? He may seem like an old shoe to Washington insiders and political junkies, but isn't it about time he was introduced to the voters too? It's pretty telling that Democrats haven't been screaming bloody murder about all the media attention devoted to Palin while their own VP candidate gets the shaft. If they've suddenly lost interest in the Fairness Doctrine, it's because they already know Joe Biden is only the train wreck that hasn't happened yet.
"Further, in less than two years Gov Palin has gained more experience with actual Reform than all the other candidates combined."
prove it.
"I've noticed that the Palin attacks are always personal. ...Never about how she governed. "
that's because no one knows HOW she governed. They know her talking points about her governing, which were either lies, or stretches of the truth.
can you give me her address? i want to send her a backpack; now that she has a passport, maybe it's time for her to go see the world.
i'm THAT kind of parent.
I fully understand Palin's background, and I am absolutely in support of that background in the position of VP (and, as necessary, POTUS.) However, the ability to communicate effectively is an important component to success, as is the ability to quickly learn and internalize complex information. So far, I have not been impressed by Sarah Palin's ability to communicate in the context of an interview, and I haven't heard any pearls of wisdom that would indicate her ability to synthesize information and communicate it effectively.
Ronald Reagan's great ability was to communicate information effectively, and he not only understood the issues, but he was able to frame all such issues in the larger contexts of the constitution, as well as the history of the United States. I think that it's possible that the McCain campaign is attempting to turn Sarah into a "world-class politician" - which quite frankly, I don't want, and the United States doesn't need. We need someone in power who could have looked at the mortgage mess and said "Enough - this is madness and it has to stop." I think Sarah has that ability.
I also think we all need to move past this idea that somehow, a newly elected governor of Alaska is going to become an expert on all national and international economic and foreign affairs issues in a matter of weeks, and this is going to happen while she's campaigning! My hope is that Sarah does what her heart is telling her to do - be honest, not try to be someone she's not, and speak from her heart about the issues of the day. And if she doesn't know specifics, SO BE IT! No-one out there (except rabid Obama supporters) expects or wants her to be the consummate insider politician. Yes, she is going to have to learn on the job as VP - like ALL VP's do, and yes, quite frankly, as ALL president's do. This may sound trite, but I think it's applicable: let Sarah be Sarah, and the rest will take care of itself.
"....that's because no one knows HOW she governed. They know her talking points about her governing, which were either lies, or stretches of the truth."
Almost two full years in office, 85+% approval rating and "know one knows HOW she governed?" But those are all "lies"? Yeah, and the Obamassiah walks on water with a bullet proof trail of successes.
Go get another package of kool aid.
Dear Tom,
Your comment is just ignorant. I graduated from Harvard Law School. While some affirmative action may or may not (no evidence either way) have played a hand in Barack getting to HLS - once you're at HLS, you don't make Law Review or become editor if you are a simpleton.
I am fairly certain Obama's academic acheivements, and their reflection on his intelligence, far exceed McCain (graduating at bottom of his class) or Palin (6 colleges?)
Dear Tom,
Your comment is just ignorant. I graduated from Harvard Law School. While some affirmative action may or may not (no evidence either way) have played a hand in Barack getting to HLS - once you're at HLS, you don't make Law Review or become editor if you are a simpleton.
I am fairly certain Obama's academic acheivements, and their reflection on his intelligence, far exceed McCain (graduating at bottom of his class) or Palin (6 colleges?)
you're an ass dreher. did you get booted from NRO? i emailed them daily for a year pleading for your ouster.
the press features the rare coherent statements Obama makes, and you feature the less coherent comments from Palin.
memo: 1] McCain is at the top of the ticket. 2] there is much at stake. try to stay focused. the only thing McCain/Palin has to worry about now to election day is backbiting from the conservative base. grab some loyalty.
ps your derision of Bush is shameful. you have bought the left wing talking points RE Bush. other than prescription drugs, state a case where Bush has not been true to his word. if you didn't like what he was saying before 2000, you shouldn't have voted for him. ass.
Wasn't Obama the president of the Harvard Law Review? They don't just give that out, do they?
No comments on how Palin governed? Are you kidding? Are you reading? There have been repeated reports on the secrecy and mismanagement both as mayor and as governor. Anyone who doesn't know, probably doesn't want to know. This woman as VP--or, God forbid, President, would be a disaster.
Hmmm, not a great response, certainly nervous but I didn't hear her talking about the 57 states, the Beretta Rifle, FDR going on TV to calm the masses in 1929, etc. I didn't hear her lying about McCain and middle class tax cuts, didn't hear her advocating for ACORN, didn't hear her claiming to merely be a neighbor of Ayers. Did someone hear Palin say something that's outright wrong or a lie?
Hmmm, not a great response, certainly nervous but I didn't hear her talking about the 57 states, the Beretta Rifle, FDR going on TV to calm the masses in 1929, etc. I didn't hear her lying about McCain and middle class tax cuts, didn't hear her advocating for ACORN, didn't hear her claiming to merely be a neighbor of Ayers. Did someone hear Palin say something that's outright wrong or a lie?
I'm loving the way the Republicans are trying to defend Palin. They spew complete poppycock, produce the lamest of excuses, and really are a pitiful breed!! What is wrong with having someone who is intelligent running the show?
We've all seen what having a dumb idiot in control can produce: crazy endless wars, loss of constitutionally-guaranteed rights, destruction of the economy, torture, and hatred for America around the world. If Republicans were our enemies they couldn't have done a better job at destroying the country. What I have learned from all this is that Republicans aren't patriotic Americans at all, but instead, traitors!!
Let's go back to 2000, where you really showed your anti-American colors. By any reasonable measure Gore got the most votes in the country and in Florida, yet the Supreme Court stepped in and gave the presidency to a low-life scum-sucking bottom dweller. It was a punk Third World move and was no different than a military coup because the will of the people was ignored. You and all the other Republicans are traitors for supporting the overthrow of a duly elected government. Traitors!! And most of us will never accept you as real Americans ever again.
I only read the transcript and didn't watch the interview, but she obviously didn't do that well. Considering she has only been at this for a few weeks, though, and the fact that she also has to deal with interviewers who are out to get her, I think she is doing fine, so not sure where all the hysteria is coming from...
Obama, on the other hand, has been at it for 19 months, and still isn't any more coherent, though I must admit, he is better at making it SEEM like he answered the question than Palin. Maybe that's the advantage of being a lawyer; they are very experienced at BS'ing.
Biden's been at it for 20+ years, and almost daily says things that are stupider than anything Palin ever said.
Rod,
Don't let the movement loyalists get you down. You are exactly right about this, as well as Palin's passport issues. Choosing Palin for VP was a clever move on McCain's part because it flatters the public: they like the idea that someone who is like them would be in charge (how many movies have there been on this theme)? The elites have cheated them, and they want someone from the people -- but the downside is that average people are not well prepared for office.
Don't you just love it when liberals like Dreber and Andrew Sullivan try to pass themselves off as conservatives.
By the way, Sullivan has the hots for Palin (Todd Palin that is) and he's hacked off at Sarah because she doesn't share.
I'm loving the way the Republicans are trying to defend Palin. They spew complete poppycock, produce the lamest of excuses, and really are a pitiful breed!! What is wrong with having someone who is intelligent running the show?
We've all seen what having a dumb idiot in control can produce: crazy endless wars, loss of constitutionally-guaranteed rights, destruction of the economy, torture, and hatred for America around the world. If Republicans were our enemies they couldn't have done a better job at destroying the country. What I have learned from all this is that Republicans aren't patriotic Americans at all, but instead, traitors!!
Let's go back to 2000, where you really showed your anti-American colors. By any reasonable measure Gore got the most votes in the country and in Florida, yet the Supreme Court stepped in and gave the presidency to a low-life scum-sucking bottom dweller. It was a punk Third World move and was no different than a military coup because the will of the people was ignored. You and all the other Republicans are traitors for supporting the overthrow of a duly elected government. Traitors!! And most of us will never accept you as real Americans ever again.
Aren't the Bush Clan close personal friends with the Bin Laden Clan?
so, who, really is the friend of terrorists?
I'm loving the way the Republicans are trying to defend Palin. They spew complete poppycock, produce the lamest of excuses, and really are a pitiful breed!! What is wrong with having someone who is intelligent running the show?
We've all seen what having a dumb idiot in control can produce: crazy endless wars, loss of constitutionally-guaranteed rights, destruction of the economy, torture, and hatred for America around the world. If Republicans were our enemies they couldn't have done a better job at destroying the country. What I have learned from all this is that Republicans aren't patriotic Americans at all, but instead, traitors!!
Let's go back to 2000, where you really showed your anti-American colors. By any reasonable measure Gore got the most votes in the country and in Florida, yet the Supreme Court stepped in and gave the presidency to a low-life scum-sucking bottom dweller. It was a punk Third World move and was no different than a military coup because the will of the people was ignored. You and all the other Republicans are traitors for supporting the overthrow of a duly elected government. Traitors!! And most of us will never accept you as real Americans ever again.
Inexperience. Hmmm. He ran a community organization, he taught law at Chicago Law School, he was in the Illinois Senate, and he was a U.S. Senator. Now, he's run a presidential campaign that defeated Hillary Clinton for the nomination and has raised more money than any presidential campaign in history. Dont' give me your crap about "lack of experience."
BTW, look up Abraham Lincoln and see about "experience" sometime. Of course, the racism in many voters is coming to the forefront here (as witnessed by the commenter above who noted Harvard's "affirmative action" policy).
It is galling that people would throw out the elitist tag about a candidate who grew up with a single mother who at one time was on food stamps while John McCain, the son of an Admiral, graduated 5th from last in his class at Annapolis, divorced his first wife to take up with a millionaire heiress, and has more than eight houses.
And as to Palin's Alaska credentials, those are proving to be lacking as well. She has power issues, and she LIES about her opposition to the Bridge to Nowhere.
Honesty, how can you people ignore so many obvious truths and call yourselves Christians?
Stop the harping about the Bridge to Nowhere. Get some new talking points, for God's sake. She didn't lie about it. She did actually kill the Bridge project, as even Alaska Dem web sites acknowledged until the VP pick was made, at which time the sites got a quick scrub of anything complimentary to her.
It's also true that she supported the Bridge at one time. She never said she didn't, so where's the lie???
Besides, her reformer credentials rest a lot more on her exposure of ethics violations, at the cost of her own job, than on the Bridge.
Obama has a good record of giving teleprompter speeches, artfully inspiring you while saying nothing of substance, and voting "Present". Biden has a good record of being a gasbag, and hanging around the Senate for a long time.
I'll take the team that actually knows how to get things done: McCain/Palin.
I'm glad somebody else is saying it.
Look, I think Gov. Palin has done an impressive job in Alaska. Her handling of the natural gas pipeline indicates that she's an administrator with free-market impulses who's genuinely looking out for the public good and genuinely forceful enough to get things done. Other projects bear the same mark.
However, she's remarkably unimpressive in an interview. Frighteningly so. I think the lady basically learns what she needs to learn in order to do what she needs to do, and doesn't really waste much brain power thinking about stuff beyond that. That's not a bad feature in a chief administrator, but it's pretty alarming in a politician. They're all about words and appearances.
There's a reason the McCain campaign has kept her away from interviews, and I think this is it. I don't think she's unqualified to hold high office, but my God, the woman had better spend some time thinking about general political topics, and quick.
@SiliconValleySteve:
> Please describe to me anything Sarah Palin has said that is close to being as stupid as that.
When Palin said her being next to Russia made her qualified for foreign policy. Using that logic, I'm qualified for NASA because I can see the moon from my backyard.
JohnJ
RodDreher, I couldn't agree with you more. I was appalled at the choice of Palin for Republican VP candidate as soon as she opened her mouth. The idea that this woman could be a heartbeat away from the presidency of the United States is frightening. This woman could stare down North Korea, China, and Russia during a crisis? If China invaded Taiwan? I have a sinking feeling that someone might have to point out Taiwan on a map to Ms. Palin. I don't get the same feeling from Obama, who at least seems educated and well spoken.
Stephen Colbert told a joke last night about Ms. Palin being the perfect version of a feminist, one who's pretty, sits quietly and listens to men. The scary thing is, he's not that far off in terms of how the Republicans feel about her brand of "feminism." Of course they're big fans. She doesn't get in their faces like big, bad, not so pretty Hillary. At least Hillary was qualified.
These are scary times. Very scary.
I feel bad for this woman. She's up there and she looks like a moose caught in the headlights.
People talk about experience, but Obama got himself to where he is in this campaign. He managed to organize his way to the top, which is pretty damn good considering who he's able to defeat.
This lady just got selected at the last minute and has no idea what she's doing up there. She undermines the confidence I would otherwise have in John McCain. He's one of the Senators of my state and I have supported him in the past, but this is just sickening to watch. I've never seen McCain do things this desperate. He should have chosen Mrs. Snowe, Mrs. Hutchinson or Mrs. Dole if he thought he needed a woman beside him to win votes. Each of those three is a highly-experienced female Republican senator.
He didn't need to go for some unprepared lady from Alaska. I feel bad for her. If I were a woman, I'd want the first female in office to be someone confident and skilled. Not someone who was in way over their head.
RodDreher, I couldn't agree with you more. I was appalled at the choice of Palin for Republican VP candidate as soon as she opened her mouth. The idea that this woman could be a heartbeat away from the presidency of the United States is frightening. This woman could stare down North Korea, China, and Russia during a crisis? If China invaded Taiwan? I have a sinking feeling that someone might have to point out Taiwan on a map to Ms. Palin. I don't get the same feeling from Obama, who at least seems educated and well spoken.
Stephen Colbert told a joke last night about Ms. Palin being the perfect version of a feminist, one who's pretty, sits quietly and listens to men. The scary thing is, he's not that far off in terms of how the Republicans feel about her brand of "feminism." Of course they're big fans. She doesn't get in their faces like big, bad, not so pretty Hillary. At least Hillary was qualified.
These are scary times. Very scary.
Excuse me - I am an ex-military wife - 5 sons - 4 have been military serving our country - currently the youngest in Irag - laid off from my job 10.5 yrs - my youngest does not know - feel no one cares where he is and what he is doing with his heart and soul - would love to hear from Palin - bring it on - I have not heard one word from her and I even emailed Sen. McCain when I got laid off and asked if I should mention this to my son in Iraq - got blown off and sent my email to the state of Pa. - no communication - again I say no communication - would someone please talk me someday................care, please...........my yellow ribbons and flags still fly high......
What's so remarkable about Obama's career is that it's not clear he's ever done particularly well at anything he's done.
The only plausible exception is his elevation to the Harvard Law Review. He had to have earned some respect from fellow students to get there.
Beyond that, we have a bunch of lies, hidden connections, and just plain mediocre performance. He lied about his performance as a community worker; residents where he worked don't recall that he did much of anything to help them. His students at Chicago only remember that they never figured out what he really believes himself. He didn't have to run against anybody substantial in either of his political campaigns, so we don't even know how well he campaigns (and his current campaign really is not all that impressive). He wrote no major legislation of any kind. His tenure heading the Chicago Annenberg Challenge was a failure; he had to be reprimanded from outside in order to assert even rudimentary controls overseeing where the money went, and the project produced no measurable improvement in student achievement. He's basically offered a few "everybody agrees" amendments in the US Senate.
In other words, we have no record indicating that he's good at ANYTHING other than giving a speech off a teleprompter.
I've written a fair amount on my own blog regarding Obama's radical roots (he's not really a Democrat, he's a neo-Marxist.) However, that's not my greatest concern about him anymore. My concern at this point is that he's entirely the creation of a media machine, something like Chance, the Gardener in "Being There." From what I can tell from his career, it's questionable whether he's competent to lead a medium-sized school district, let alone the most powerful nation on earth. He'd be much better suited, and a lot happier personally, teaching law in a college, where he appears to have some talent.
I was really embarrassed for her when she claimed that America had "57 states"
And when when claimed that FDR had really shown leadership and went "right on the TV" when the stock market collapsed in 1929 even though the FDR presidency and TV did not yet exist
And when she repudiated her very own Presidential candidate's campaign ads and his position on US coal plants.
And when she urged that crippled war-hero in the crowd to "stand up Chuck so we can see ya".
And when she accidently called herself a Muslim in an interview with George Stephanopolis.
OH WAIT........ALL OF THOSE GAFFES WERE MADE BY OBAMA & BIDEN, OOPS - SORRY........whadda I know, huh? 8-)
about the being next to russia: did anyone care to read the FULL transcript from the gibson interview? you do know that interview was heavily edited...right? her comment about being able to see russia was a summation of an etire paragraph about foreign policy...but...that was edited out. she said a little more than just being able to see russia...before and after. perhaps you should read the entirity of what was said before judgements are made. and also...did anyone have any problem with kerry's selection of john edwards. no experience. but i'm sure gibson asked similar questions to him as he asked to palin. maybe you should compare those two interviews and then google the term 'bias'. palin does look rehearsed and way out of her leauge. but hell...since when has any other vp candidate come under so much scutiny?
So many concerned conservative christians, so little time to bash this woman.
I am embarrassed for you, allowing yourself to be used as a sockpuppet.
about the being next to russia: did anyone care to read the FULL transcript from the gibson interview? you do know that interview was heavily edited...right? her comment about being able to see russia was a summation of an etire paragraph about foreign policy...but...that was edited out. she said a little more than just being able to see russia...before and after. perhaps you should read the entirity of what was said before judgements are made. and also...did anyone have any problem with kerry's selection of john edwards? no experience. but i'm sure gibson asked similar questions to him as he asked to palin. maybe you should compare those two interviews and then google the term 'bias'. palin does look rehearsed and way out of her leauge. but hell...since when has any other vp candidate come under so much scutiny?
Its interesting. Obviously the press is gunning for her. Everyone with even a smidge of grey matter knows this (which leaves out most if not all hard leftists). SHE knows this, and when she goes on to meet the press, she is of course nervous as she has to deal with 'gotcha' questions that neither obama or biden has been subjected to. She knows she has to be 100% on.. If not, then she'll get flak for it. I feel for her situation.
I think that she is a very bright lady, who has not had to the leisure of being tainted by the 'washington mentality' such as biden or obama. She's real. She has an actual record of accomplishment that she herself (and no one else) is responsible for.
She didn't get to her position by being a victim, or riding her husbands coattails, which is the hallmark of 'modern feminism'. Which is why I believe that most 'feminists' (so called) cant stand her. She IS a truly STRONG woman. Add that to the fact that she is ACTUALLY HAPPY and a very beautiful lady....and its any wonder that the leftist feminists are screaming and gnashing their teeth.
I like her. I switched from indie to repub after the smears against her family were made. Seeing her walk out with poise and dignity and true strength made me think...THIS is someone worth voting for.
I have to agree.
Governor Palin is a terrific mother and apparently a good governor too, but these interviews glaringly show her lack of knowledge of American politics.
I will not pretend that Mrs. Palin is ready to lead our country.
Posters trying to rationalize her experience agaisnt Sen. Obama's, well, it doesn't work. Look at their entire life experiences. We cannot deny that Mrs. Palin's education and life experience are very limited. I'm NOT being elitist. Doesn't anyone remember Dan Quayle? He wasn't qualifed either. Now, years later he is still remembered for his lack of qualities only.
Senator McCain chose the wrong person and I think he caved into pressure for politics only. He had MANY good choices for VP and he opted for the truly least qualifed. And he did it as a stunt.
This election is too important- there will be Supreme Court judges appointed, and now I beleive (and polls confirm) that Senator McCain may have blown our chance at retaining the Presidency.
The elevator doesn't go all the way to the top floor.
Palin has to either stop doing these interviews or start becoming much more adversarial with these so-called "journalists". These people are so obviously in the tank for the "magic negro" that to believe Palin will get a fair interview is to believe in the tooth fairy. Wake up people! The fix is in.
Sen. McCain would have made a much wiser choice if he had chosen Mitt Romney, who with his business knowledge would have been a great boost to the McCain ticket in a time like this.
Gov. Palin is being revealed through these interviews as not ready for the office of Vice President, or God forbid, the office of President.
Rob Dreher's commentary reflects commentary by other conservative columnists men and women) who are concerned about Gov. Palin's fitness for the office. For the record, I am a Republican.
"I will not pretend that Mrs. Palin is ready to lead our country."
That's understandable. With so many people pretending that Obama's fit to be POTUS, the pretension cupboard is completely bare.
"I will not pretend that Mrs. Palin is ready to lead our country."
That's understandable. With so many people pretending that Obama's fit to be POTUS, the pretension cupboard is completely bare.
"I will not pretend that Mrs. Palin is ready to lead our country."
That's understandable. With so many people pretending that Obama's fit to be POTUS, the pretension cupboard is completely bare.
That interview should be used by Jay Leno asking questions to general public. I think it is about at par with those answers. Purely idiotic and embarrassing. But then, "The Simpsons" was a great success and there is a reasonable chance that McCain and Palin may actually win the election. God help America!
Rod, you FAILED Sarkars Logic class? LOL!
I assume that was his 2010 class - I sure as hell hope it wasn't 1000, I think I finished that one with a 105% overall average. He told me I didn't have to take his final, but I did just for kicks.
I'll admit, the 2010 was a bit harder, I think I finished with 88%.
...Just had to get that dig in.
I hope you're doing well.
John S.
Pentagon D-4-9
Class of '90.
I do not know why Gov. Palin continues to let herself be interviewed by outright laughable 'journalists' like Couric. Couric sat there with her face all scrunched up, her thin lips smeared across her pasty old face, and a look of unaccountable hatred in her eyes. Couric looked and acted like an old hag with a bad temper and wanting to take it out on Gov. Palin. No less than two months ago, Couric was the biggest laughing stock on television nightly news - and for good reason - she's completely unexceptional and yes, really boring. It was common talk she was going to be replaced. But Couric got her chance and Couric manifested her downright uptight 'ugly mean feminist' attitude on. - Gov. Palin -when she gets more experience in the ways of the deranged on the left, will hold her own. whatever 'flubs' Gov. Palin may make she is still far more qualified and experienced than Obama will ever be. By the way - this crunchy conservativism is more like stale liberal bilge ground into a ratty carpet what a joke.
Prominent conservative columnist Kathleen Parker, an early supporter of Republican VP candidate Sarah Palin, said Friday recent interviews have shown the Alaska governor is "out of her league" and should leave the GOP presidential ticket for the good of the party.
God help us if she get's elected and something happens to McCain.
Why do the Democrates keep talking about Sen. McCain's age. He is in better health then most of them. I think McCain and Palin make a great team. They need someone like them in office. Democrates like taxes, to make more money for them to spend. They promise this and that, but who will pay for all of this. We the unfortunate tax payers.
Ahh, yes - the Conservative method (glass ego included):
1. Direct superficial schoolyard insults towards the interviewer - Check!
2. Point out how 'ugly, mean, unfair' the situation is (....WAHHHHHHH*SNIFF*SNIFF") - Check!
3. Make a Shrill comment about "The Left" - Check!
Well done, you've earned your merit badge for Conservatism 2008! For a group so 'tough and ready' you do a TON of bitching and moaning. Considering she's a bogus journalist, Couric did a good job nailing Miss Alaska's butt to the wall - I figure the newest darling of the conservative movement would have eaten her for lunch. Heh, guess not...
Well, regardless - Obama is going to win this going away, and Palin's national political career is over - so hurry up and get your Sarah button for the scrapbook, lol.
Hah, hah....that's right, a black guy, for probably the next 8 years, hah....c'mon, it's killing you - admit it....
@ bb: Mr. Dreher expresses a valid concern. She did not do well answering the questions. They were not questions that were to be unexpected.
Your (triple) response consists totally of bashing Couric. Completely. How about Palin's answers? They were poor, and she looked at note cards in her lap during the interview. I'm all for pointing out bias in the media, but she does have to answer questions like that to get the job.
Is the head of Russia, or Iran, or China going to go easier on her than Katie Couric?
"Why do the Democrates keep talking about Sen. McCain's age. He is in better health then most of them. I think McCain and Palin make a great team. They need someone like them in office. Democrates like taxes, to make more money for them to spend. First of all...They promise this and that, but who will pay for all of this. We the unfortunate tax payers."
We the unfortunate tax payers are going to pay for 8 years of Republican trickery and mismanagement, misinformation, and just about any other form of "miswhatever.." you can think of...where have you been?
I would like someone to ask Mc Cain in the debate tonight; "If the US economy was doing great as he thought: Would he share the credit for a good economy with Obama? If not he should leave Obama out of this republican (MESS) he and George Bush created.
I won't argue that Palin wasn't smooth, but consider this:
Obama, Biden, and McCain have been running for the presidency/VP for over a year (Obama is past a year and a half I think) and have had tons of time to familiarize themselves with the kind of questions that will be asked and the sort of information they need to know to give a smooth and impressive answer.
By comparison, Palin was pulled out of her governorship less than a month ago and cast into the national race WITHOUT all that time to prep on the issues and come up with well thought out answers that she can deliver naturally. This means that out of the four, she is the one most likely to have to reason out her answers "cold" on the spot in an interview and therefore needs to garner every second she can to consider the answer lest she make a gaff.
Furthermore, this task is made more difficult when reports like Couric ask fool questions that any rational person would not assume they have to prepare for. Honestly, do you REALLY think it's fair that Katie Couric first lays aside the one best argument Palin can make on the subject as off the table and then expects Palin to be an expert on every vote on banking regulation McCain has ever cast in 26 years? Is it REALLY what we need to know about Palin that she's an expert on John McCain's voting record?
To say nothing of the fact that Coric thinks McCain should have been acting for 26 years on an issue that only came into existence 10 years ago and has only been recognized as a looming crisis for the last 2 or 3?
I remember these things then I go on youtube and see interviews she's done when she was NOT so handicapped and she is much more natural and listenable.
And I decide that while I do sometimes think she sounds uncomfortable or that she missed an easy softball, there's a perfectly good reason for it.
Your mileage may vary.
WillRain: I have no doubt that Palin was much more relaxed and listenable back in the day when she was talking about the things she knew. And it's commendable that you're trying to be sympathetic with a woman who is clearly being publically humiliated. But I blame John McCain and his campaign advisors for putting her into this position of having to talk about things she clearly knows nothing about and run for an office she clearly should never be in.
Whether or not you like Obama, he knew what he was doing when he chose Biden. The guy was part of a tough primary campaign, has a long and distinguished record, and is completely ready to campaign and serve. Whether or not you always agree with him, and I don't, he is a veritable symbol of confidence and experience.
So why did McCain do this?
"then expects Palin to be an expert on every vote on banking regulation McCain has ever cast in 26 years?"
This is disingenuous to say the least. She asked for ONE example, on an issue that is THE biggest political issue right now.
And even if she didn't know, even a half-competent pol could come up with something like:
"It's no secret that John McCain has always favoured free markets. He doesn't think that regulators in Washington know better than businesses, investors and bankers. We're in a serious situation right now - but bad incentives and bad decisions don't mean we should change our whole economic system. Get the incentives right, get better decisions."
"By comparison, Palin was pulled out of her governorship less than a month ago and cast into the national race WITHOUT all that time to prep on the issues and come up with well thought out answers that she can deliver naturally. This means that out of the four, she is the one most likely to have to reason out her answers "cold" on the spot in an interview and therefore needs to garner every second she can to consider the answer lest she make a gaff."
This is my point exactly. If she is THIS inexperienced and needs this much more time and experience on the national stage to appear at least competent on the many issues that will confront her as Vice President then she has no business as the VP nominee. She should never have been chosen. She appears completely out-of her depth and is starting to become an embarrassment.
Heer's where I see the biggest problem:
When pressed on McCain's voting record, she should have just copped to not knowing those particulars, maybe including that she was more focused on Alaskan issues than Wall Street. Instead, she tried to fake knowledge about something that she was mainly ignorant of. That's a character issue that magnified her lack of competence, and she's getting roaasted.
Maybe she is just tired of the ridiculous bias. I think I would have walked off of the set. I have noticed nothing but a modern day lynching of Palin. I am sure she will do just fine during the debates. Too bad the questions are given ahead of time so that Obama and Biden can have their political machine tell them what to say. They are rehearsed. We have seen how bad Obama is without his notes. Also, when he is interviewed, I have yet to see him even answer a question without leaning on boh sides of the issue. Some president he will make!!!
BIAS?? My god, what do you want? Do you expect potential presidents to be asked for their favorite cookie recipes? This woman has to be able to take on a MEAN world. Let 'er have it! Let them all have it, both sides. Say what you want about Obama, but he went on Fox and was treated with near-mockery by O'Reilly, yet held his own. I agree with you that Obama lacks his MLK impression when he's not speechifying, but I defy you to find an answer that is in the same horrifying ballpark as the grade-school stumbling demagoguery coming out of this piece of work. Not a chance.
Bias. Please...hey, she'll always have Hannity to cuddle her after everybody is so MEAN to her.....boo hoo.
JB, are you for real? The bias is that Palin is being treated with the softest gloves I have ever seen. She could make a fine VP if not for the fact that it could lead to being President. A position for which she is *supremely* unqualified. This is really beyond argument.
BIAS?? My god, what do you want? Do you expect potential presidents to be asked for their favorite cookie recipes? This woman has to be able to take on a MEAN world. Let 'er have it! Let them all have it, both sides. Say what you want about Obama, but he went on Fox and was treated with near-mockery by O'Reilly, yet held his own. I agree with you that Obama lacks his MLK impression when he's not speechifying, but I defy you to find an answer that is in the same horrifying ballpark as the grade-school stumbling demagoguery coming out of this piece of work. Not a chance.
Bias. Please...yes, it's clearly the terrible liberal press who has her in this predicament. Hey, she'll always have Hannity to cuddle her after everybody is so MEAN to her.....boo hoo.
All those that keep defending Palin with a "bias" argument.
You can't have it both ways. She is either a strong intelligent capable woman that should be VP or a wallflower that needs to be protected from the mean press that dares to "attack" her with questions on policy.
Its real simple, if Palin isn't able to handle questions from the press then she is clearly unqualified to handle the issues that a President or Vice President will have to do with.
When I see people defend her so mindlessly as some of the above, it really tells me that even they know she is unfit for the title of Vice President of the United States or even worse President.
Amazing. JB SAYS [QUOTE] "Maybe she is just tired of the ridiculous bias. I think I would have walked off of the set. I have noticed nothing but a modern day lynching of Palin. I am sure she will do just fine during the debates. Too bad the questions are given ahead of time so that Obama and Biden can have their political machine tell them what to say. They are rehearsed. We have seen how bad Obama is without his notes. Also, when he is interviewed, I have yet to see him even answer a question without leaning on boh sides of the issue. Some president he will make!!!"
I'm not a fan of Obama's. Never have been. However, this particular comment comes from that group of people who support Palin who simply know absolutely nothing about American politics. This lady, God Bless her, is probably a good person, but she also is way out of her league. She has a JOURNALISM degree for Pete's sake, a very limited work history (stints as a local sports broadcaster in Alaska -- incidentally, let's talk about how much Americans on the mainland here about Alaskan sports but I digress), and she worked at her family owned local business, mayor of a tiny town, Govenor of a state with roughly 700,000 people with very little diversity. JB would have us believe that because Govenor Palin, a Republican, has no knowledge of her own president's doctrine, has absolutely no foreign affairs background (and let's not compare that to Condoleeza Rice, who, as current Secretary of State has a Bachelors in politicals science (cum laude), masters and Ph.D., 6 year professor at Stanford University and was chief budgert and academic officer, worked on the Joint Cheif of Staff, National Security Advisor and a THOUSAND other things that would preclude Palin from doing anything on the Secretary of State's staff beyond serving as a receptionist, yet you want us to believe that her weak beackground and immense lack of knowledge should put her in the 2nd highest seat in the land to lead the most powerful country in the world when she can't string a sentence together without "studying". Fact: (and it pains me to say) -- Obama and Biden have some experience -- Biden more than Obama. He puts his foot in his mouth countless times but he's a former member of the powerful Senate Judiciary Committee, has a degree in law and an adjunct professorship teaching constitutional law and he's been in the United States Senate for 36 years. He's also had a passport for more than a year. Governor Palin's assertion that she didn't have parents who gave her a pssport and strapped on a backpack and sent her to Europe because she was "working" was an ABSURD comment. My parents were working African Americans in the south. My father didn't graduate from high school. He's a janitor. I've worked since I was 15 years old. I've had a passport since I was 20. So, when she makes these stupid remarks, Americans (those of us who are really listening) are thinking, "is she KIDDING? Could she POSSIBLY be this SILLY and uninformed? Could she really be so backward in her thought on such a minor issue that she believes that anyone with a passport comes from a rich family and spend summers backpacking across the European frontier? Do we REALLY want this woman in conversations and speaking on our behalf if something happens to Senator McCain if he is elected?" My answer is no. Just on backround, questions are not sent ahead to speakers in debates of this level. It doesn't happen. Ever. But someone should leak the questions to Governor Palin if she hopes to give Senator McCain a fighting chance in November. Her performances lately have forced a drop in the polls for the GOP ticket. They continuously drop. The Vice Presidential debate is next Thursday and Govenor Palin, we're told, is holed up "studying" for the debate. I don't want her to study. She should know what she's doing. Having crib notes is not what we need in a person who is a breath away from becoming the next Vice President of the United States no matter which party they represent and there's no way you can fix that.
Thanks, Julia. I could not have said it better, so I'm applauding you for your good sense, grace, and style -- something we aren't seeing much of by Americans, at least not in these blogs. Tupelotulip
Both, my husband and I were speechless when we heard Sarah Palin discuss her "foreign policy experience" with Russia and Canada. We have never heard a politican so unprepared and givew such a bizarre answer. According to press reports if anyone who disagrees with Palin,
she calls them "hater." Her views of the world are simplistic and
dogmatic. She would be another "Cheney" if she is elected VP. And,
the entire world knows we do not need or want another 8 years of that!!!
omg i was wondering why her team was keeps her tucked away from the media.Now i see why
Sarah Palin is the soft under belly of the McCain campaign. To bad she does recognize how unprepared she is for this job. She should step down gracefully.
"She would be another "Cheney" if she is elected VP."
Darth Vader is a lot of things, namely evil, but he's a helluva lot more schooled than Palin. He actually knows stuff about the world, he just doesn't care about it. Palin, meanwhile, knows little. She is all backwoods provincialism. There's nothing to her beyond her extremely limited life experience. She's not thoughtful, curious, layered, or highly-educated--I mean, journalism??
Americans should be OUTRAGED by the very appointment. It's an insult. It says a great deal about voters that so many are willing to put a flippin' HOCKEY MOM--and that's all she is at the core--in such a high office. And she's ruled by endtimes theology. Watch those nuke codes, everyone.
Sarah Palin's pick is the greatest insult to folks from small town America. I cannot remember any public figure in recent history more embarrassing than Sarah Palin.
Bless her heart. I feel so bad for her, although I'd feel much much worse if she wound up President.
BTW, when I clicked on your site, the lead-in add was for Bill Maher's new movie. Y'know, "Religiousity". I am indeed queasily amused.
Well, there is still one logical explanation for a performance this far below expectations (there is plenty of Alaska footage showing her smarter than this): that she is under too much control by the McCain campaign. She is probably under strict orders to neither stray from her talking points nor to be combative with the press. The fear is that she will contradict a McCain position which he will later have to explain. Since McCain picked her to balance the ticket within the Republican Party, it is fair to say that for her to defend HIS talking points she has to memorize them .. and then spout them in a coherent manner on national television. Because they are memorized and not her own, she faces two big obstacles ... keeping them straight (i.e. bringing in Health Care during the bailout discussion) and not understanding or at least really believing the reasoning behind them. I.e. its like being assigned a sorry position to defend in a formal college Debate.
McCain should just let her state her own real opinions, and not try to apologize for them differing from his .. it couldn't come across any worse than this.
Bob in Arlington, (Virginia not Texas)
She is an embarrassment and should be removed from the ticket.
I am NOT an American and I am from New Zealand. BUT it scares the hell out of me that Sarah Palin MAY be the next VP of USA, and potentially POTUS. She just made President Bush sounds/looks like Einstein. I would love to see a woman in th White House, but not Sarah Palin. This is all way over her head. She said in an earlier interview that 'she didnt blink' when asked to join the McCain ticket as VP. She should have blinked and thought hard about it.
Watching Couric's interviews reminds one of nothing so much as the interview of Ann Elk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAYDiPizDIs
No doubt Governor Palin has more interesting, if not more informed things to say about dinosaurs than about McCain's specific plans for banking regulatory reform or her own foreign policy experience. And if one dropped all pretense of taking her seriously, it might be entertaining.
I agree wholeheartedly with Rod! I am rather terrified that she has trouble putting a series of coherent sentences together. In all of the interviews she has had I'm hard pressed to find ANY answer she has given that doesn't sound like a 16 year old fumbling over the answer to a pop quiz. The "I didn't blink" comment really sounds rediculous at this point......can you imagine her in a serious negotiation with a head of state of another country? They have spread these videos all over the internet and you better believe independents, undecideds, and even Republicans like me are most certainly unnerved at the thought of
her elevating to the Oval office. What were they thinking when the picked her?!!???!!! Win at any cost, but to hell with the long term stability of the Country?? The party is in a complete meltdown like Wall Street. Complete lack of judgement IMHO!
That McCain would pick this person for VP who he didn't know well at all and did not even bother to vet her adequately - his first executive decision - speaks volumes about how McCain will make decisions as POTUS. Scary!
And she's so clueless that she accepted!
I feel sorry for her. If she really did go after the "old boy network" it looks like they are out to ruin her politically. She is bound by their talking points and their tactic of repeating what they want us to believe often enough until we think it's true. i.e. "in the form of a mushroom cloud". My sister still believes that Saddam Hussein was
responsible for 9/11 because of the number of times the Bush/Rove administration told us. Sarah Palin probably doesn't know how many lies are part of the talking points she is bound to use.
Shrimplate.....maybe we just have finally awakened from our spin induced delerium!
Even though Bush will never be known as a great orator....his public speaking is so vastly superior to Palin's that it boggles the mind as to why she was picked.
I believe the only sexist slant to the story is that if it was a man instead of Mrs. Palin that was picked and they had the same credentials and knowledge, the pick would have been shredded by both the masses and the media immediately.
There is a huge fear in the media about coming off sexist with how they treat her...as we had seen with Hilary during the primaries.
Let's face it, John McCain probaly has mental health issues and his actions of out-right hostility are beginning to show. As a former Vietnam Era veteran who served on the Korean DMZ during a cold war period. I can attest that many of our veterans have suffered from, slight to extreme post war conditions of temperment from just being in the military.
Unfortunitely, John MaCain has had even more trauma than most vets being a POW, god bless his superior survival skills but his pick of Sarah Palin including his past relationships with 2 wives and other women, seems to reflect a pattern of abuse when it involves woman.
On the other hand, he seems to be defiant toward stronger men who have the will to stand fast during controversy, who did not experience being captured during a war. It is for this reason he seems to think we owe him him for the rest of our lives. He feels superior concerning aggressive behavior and feels he should be forgiven for hero status, as he and John Glenn were following their near criminal involement during the Keating Five S&L scandal, where hundreds of millions dollars of citizens personal investments were lost.
As Barack Obama and others have respected John McCain's war record, there comes a time when we need to send him a message, that this election is not about his selfish needs of sorrow being felt for him and his nasty campaign of smears, nor his use of woman for his personal gain, such as his explotation of Sarah Palin and her lovely family in his quest for the world's most powerful job. I am tired of him using all of us and pouting when he can't be the center of attention. GROW UP BIG JOHN your not ready to be president of the United States of America!
She clearly in way over her head. I can't see it getting any better. She must have been briefed, but couldn't remember or understand so much. She is evidently not bright or she would have been able to do better even without talking points and briefings.
Someone on another post said:
"What is Palin referring to when she is discussing National security with Russia? She states ..."it''s from Alaska we send THOSE out" What in blazes is she talking about? Send WHAT out?....spy planes...polar bears...airial wolf hunting expedition? What?
Alaskans have to be embarrassed by this woman."
It's pretty rough, hopefully she is better in debates.
I was a McCain supporter in 2000 but not this time. I don't know what the outcome will be but I'm terrified by the thought of Sarah Palin taking over for John McCain. It really scares me. You might say I'm sexist or mean but it doesnt change my fears.
Revenge is a dish best served cold. In 2000, religious conservatives torpedoed John McCain. In fact, he called them "agents of intolerance." He now exacts revenge on them by selecting one of them as his running mate, a choice that made them ecstatic. Selecting Sarah Palin changed religious conservatives from indifferent to enthusiastic McCain supporters overnight. His choice gave them the opportunity to display their shallow grasp of reality. He was unlikely to win this election anyway, so he chose to lose in a way that will make it harder for religious conservatives to be taken very seriously for a long time.
I haven't seen any unfair treatment by the interviewers. If anything they are gentler with Palin than with other candidates.
It's clear Palin isn't ready for primetime even if you agree with her principles.
I think I once took that same Formal Logic test! D is for Debacle. P is for President Palin.
http://www.PisforPalin.com/
Unfortunately i'm still hearing people on talk radio shows that are defending this woman's stupidity as some honorable trait worthy of placing her in the VP chair. Granted the talk radio is coming from areas of the country not know for educational achievement (LA, MS, AL, North Florida), but their votes count like every other citizen. As a devoted Democrat I would feel much better with a third term for George Bush, Gulliani, Huckabee or any number of choices before this woman who would most likely assume the President's seat in the next 4 years.
I beilieve Palin was chosen by senator Mccain as a gimmick. He never intended for her to be his VP. Her job was to resuscitate the campaign and then call it a day. The scheme is for her to resign, and we all know she has a lot of legitimate reasons to do so, then comes to the stage to the rescue: the real VP who has been the real chosen one all along. Brilliant but yet risky. After all the Mccain campaign is full of surprises. Remember you have read it first here on my blog: http://mercy4usa.blogspot.com/
Look. Sarah can't learn and absorb 25 yrs of history on the politics of the U.S Legislature in a few weeks. Why the campaign decided to throw her to the wolves is a mistry to me. It was totally unnecessary, she was doing fine the way they were using her. She hasn't lost my support, she is certainly better than than Biden and is certainly better than the pro abortion, Saul Olinski socialist, Obama.
Palin was a dreadful choice for vp and obviously shows McCain's lack of judgement. The real problem though is McCain himself. He is a mean spirited man who believes in grandstanding stunts (the Bagdad market photo op comes to mind, not to mention his parachuting in the rescue the wall street bailout which just made him look like a fool.) Evangelicals (not Christians by my calculations need to get off the Nationalist, zionist, abortion is murder bandwagon before the country goes to hell. Or is that what they really want., so they can hurry up the rapture? Give me a break.
Someone criticized Mr. Dreher for being "elitist"
why does the modern Republican party celebrate stupidity so?
Palin is showing her true colors. Have you ever seen a black leopard? Even with the black colt, the spots still show through. Hence the saying "a leopard cannot change his spots". Palin is a misfit for this job. Anyone except the die hard republicans know that. Even some moderate republicans are coming to that conclusion. Fine, keep her in the race, and when it all unravels, don't say we didn't tell you so.
van flac: "why does the modern Republican party celebrate stupidity so?"
I assume by "modern Republican party" you mean this century. Bush the Dimmer is Henry Clay compared to Sarah Palin.
And somewhere in Indiana, Dan Quayle is happy that he's no longer a punchline.
I respect the article here as honest and daring. I would add that there is some talk in DC political circles that McCain is actually very upset and disappointed an has lost tremendous respect for Palin because he chose her to help him in his quest for the Presidency and she is proving to be unfit for that assistance. And since he is someone who often gambles high stakes at Indian Reservation and Nevada casinos, he took a big gamble and bet that she would assist him in his path to the Presidency. And now that she has proven to be more complicated and seriously flawed than he had expected, he is privately blaming her instead of putting the blame on himself.
This, even though basically he did not do his job by vetting her before picking her. Not her decision but his. Thus we are faced with a situation where she is offered an unimaginable prize and of course accepts. The person offering has placed a high risk bet that the chips will be golden. They turn out to be very unlucky and detrimental. Instead of blaming himself for not being responsible and Presidential in going through the painstaking process of actually vetting the chips, McCain threw a wild hand, blind sided his staff, and hoped it would come up aces. It has not and both he and the chips he played are in trouble.
Palin is not appealing to most Independant women right now and her numbers for qualifed/unqualified are dismal. 41-49. In fact they are unprecidented as even Quayle did not hit those numbers so quickly. The GOP has to make a choice here whether the GOP base will hitch to the McCain wagon in 2008 with a decent risk of defeat in a difficult year for the GOP base or look for better and more reliable alternatives in the coming years. Palin is a political disaster and may make any chance McCain had of winning over Clinton voters obsolete.
If McCain had really shown an understanding of female swing voters he would have picked a Sen. Hutchison or Ms. Fiorina. Instead we are left with a Palin who is totally unready to answer even basic questions put by the MSM. We can complain about the MSM but regardless, Palin has to be able to take on thier questions just as Biden has to be able to handle CBN questions and both have to be able to take on the quesitons fo our advisaries in a meeting.
Let's be honest with ourselves here, ask yourself if you would really trust your hard earned $1000s to Palin to invest or protect if she became President in 2009? Would any of us really trust that the markets would be reassured and not lose our money the minute she became President in 2009? Not many can honestly say they would be willing to take that risk with their hard earned money. And that is a serious problem that is not gettng any better and only worse.
And right now, McCain has proven to be an unsteady, risky, and erratic candidate who is unpreditable to both the Left AND the Right. None of us know what he will do or decide next and that is not a good quality for a potential President regardless of party or ideology.
Hi!
Well!!!
Just embarrassing. During the Couric interview I found myself CRINGING during Sarah's "answers", and I tuned in to see her embarrass herself. I mean, she was positively STELLAR! What a joke that this woman could be the next Pres.
AWG's comments are nearly as incoherent as Palin's. AWG sounds like a Republican who has just woken up to the realization thet the party has no chance.... like, that's a BAD thing?
From up here in Canada (GOD it feels good to be able to say that!) it looks as if you folks have got yourselves into one hell of a mess. Good luck with that!
See y'all at the polls!
What a bunch of chauvanists you are! Why don't you take all your cheap shots and aim them where they belong. Palin is new to National "elitist, members only" politics but she is smart and has succeeded on her own merits.
Give it a rest all you 'smarter than thou' bigots!
A sincere thank you to Rob and all the conservatives that are not blinded by partisan bias for speaking the truth. The nicest word I can use to describe Governor Palin is unqualified.
For her sake, I really hope she does well during her debate on Thursday. And I'm an Obama supporter. I just feel really bad for her.
The biggest problem for Obama and his supporters is that they don't actually know what the word "elitist" means. They seem to think it is a synonym for "wealthy."
Actually, what it refers to are people who think they have authority to sit around judging other humans as fools, because they believe themselves to be superior. So, as far as bringing any "new" politics to the table for election 2008, you are a very sad group of elitists.
I once heard Barack Obama promise that he would never campaign by tearing other candidates down. However, it appears that even his own cult doesn't pay any attention to his pretty words.
I have a question I would like answered and I pray this is the source of honesty. Is it true Obama is planning on having his present VP choice resign because of health reasons and then have Hillery join him to draw the women vote? This is planned to take place after the VP debate.
Sorry MauiGirl this has NOTHING to do with sexism. I'm a professional woman and quite frankly cringe every time she speaks. If she is smart then she does a very poor job at demonstrating it. The questions may have been difficult but within scope for the office she is seeking. She is sadly unqualified for the position of VP let alone President. And perhaps if she were able to put together coherent sentences I would at least feel better (but she doesn't and I don't).
If being elitist means I can speak cogently in complete sentences and have more than a passing understanding of history, government, financial markets and punctuation then elite me up, baby!
The first day of Elitism Training School taught me not to care about how others judge me – their opinions are beyond my control – but that our elected officials should be superior in every way to me, embarassingly superior.
Come to think of it, I think the better question is: why *aren't* you an elitist? Don't you love your country?
Many people have expressed sympathy for Sarah Palin because she is in over her head. I think we need to be reminded that when this woman was asked if she had any doubts about accepting McCain's invitation, she said that she had no doubts so she accepted immediately.
Sarah Palin has an overwhelming ego that suggests she, like McCain and Bush, doesn't second guess her decisions. She has proven she knows little, if anything, about the issues that the president will be required to address. McCain is not looking healthy and his recent decisions suggest that his temper is winning out over his intellect.
Sarah Palin is frightening.
People have talked about how McCain may have shown poor judgment in choosing the inexperienced Palin for VP, and I agree with them. But more significant is the blatant cynicism and hypocrisy revealed by his choice. In years past, McCain has blasted religious extremists such as Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell. But now he is pandering to the religious right by choosing a woman who accepts special prayers from evangelists for protection from "witchcraft", who is against letting even a rape victim get an abortion, who stood by and did nothing while those rape victims were required to pay for their own rape evidence kits, and who wants to get books that offend her removed from public libraries. McCain lacks integrity. Statistics show that a man his age has a one in six chance of dying in office, same odds as Russian Roulette. This man's ambition is so great he would rather risk putting a completely unqualified, empty-headed dilettante in the oval office who makes Dan Quayle look like a genius and Jerry Falwell look like an Episcopal, than risk losing the election. He wants to play Russian Roulette with this nation's future. The question is, will you pull the trigger on November 6?
Palin's abuse of power as governor of Alaska and her stupidity make her the perfect choice. She's as stupid as Bush; she's as corrupt and evil as Cheney. She therefore has all the experience necessary to be VP or even president.
Some are calling for Palin to withdraw for the good of the Republican party and for the good of the country. They're wrong. Palin withdrawing might improve McInsane's chances but that would hurt the country. The very best thing Palin could do for her country is to remain on the ticket and display her stupidity at every opportunity to ensure that we don't get a repeat of the last eight disastrous years.
Let's not forget - Sarah claims she holds a degree in journalism from University of Idaho and worked as a TV reporter in Alaska. Someone should check her credentials and if true, question what is being taught at that university. Very sad. As a holder of the same degree from a different university, I'd say Sarah's former profs should hold their heads in shame. Withdraw the degree and send her back to grade school to learn proper grammar. ("He did awesome" ??) Her ignorance is only exceeded by her arrogance. We've had enough of that for 8 years.
Somehow, the worse Palin does, the more supportive and defensive many people become. Overheard (at a small department store) in the North Georgia Mountains, conservative Southern Bible Belt Country:
Gal: "Well, you sure won't find may people here voting for Obama." Guy: "I don't like what he's been doing to that Palin. He keeps making her look bad. It's not fair. And it's not her fault she has family problems; he ought to leave her kids alone."
Huh? And this is not the first time I've heard words to this effect.
It's not like Obama would have gotten this couple's vote in any case, but it's clear that Palin's pathetic unpreparedness and unsuitability for the position of VP does not register as being her fault. Somehow it's laid at Obama's feet--excuses are made, problems are ignored, and those bad Democrats are dragging this good woman down.
Here in Alaska, we knew she wasn't prepared. She really isn't prepared to be Governor either and those chickens are starting to come home to roost now too. Senator McCain made an extrodinarily poor choice. Given our track record of electing politicians here why would people trust us to choose wisely? Ted Stevens is on trial, Don Young under FBI investigation, Lisa Murkowski was named by her father to replace himself and then we re-elected her. We have three Legislators convicted with more trials to come. My favorite is state Senator Ben Stevens, Ted's son, who was paid to lobby the legislature while serving as senate president.
By the way the feds are the ones investigating not our "reformer" Governor who ran on being "open and transparent" (see troopergate and other "problems"). Until recently I worked in Alaskan state government reporting directly to a Palin appointee. He had no respect for her and trust me if the media were really doing their jobs there would be more.
It would have taken one person three days here in Alaska to determine her lack of qualifications for this position just by asking fellow Republicans. The question is why wasn't she vetted?
The Bible says that even the elect among them will be fooled. I'm not saying that McCain or Palin are the anti-Crist, but how can Christians be fooled by John McCain and his pathetic attempt to get the Christian vote. He SOUGHT out the endorsement of John Haggee and Rod Parsley (his spiritual advisor), but when the media made a big fuss out of something they both said that was taken out of context, he no longer wanted their endorsement. He only wanted their endorsement and the endorsement of the members of their respective churches. Then he flip flopped. Has anyone seen John McCain go into or come out of a church? I have never heard McCain name the name of Jesus EVER!! When he talks about a religious experience, he talks about a Vietnamese Soldier making a cross in the dirt on Christmas day. Has John talked about when he got saved? No, that's Gov. Palin's job to take care of the Christian part of the ticket. And she doesn't give Christians a good name with her witchcraft preacher. Rick Warren didn't ask the tough questions to McCain. He didn't ask when he got saved. He didn't ask why he would divorce a wife that stuck by him when he was a POW, when a lot of wives or spouses are divorcing Soldiers when they are serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. He didn't ask him about running the same type of negative ads that Bush and Karl Rove used on him in 2000. McCain is getting a free ride.
Mr. Dreher,
I feel for you with that exam experience. You may be a good egg, you were, you are now a responsible writer I guess. I had that experience often enough, though I very seldom flopped. Good gab skills, good memory.
I am afraid that Sarah Palin is not such a great egg. She is a vindictive, ill-tempered, ignorant person by and large. She is also a deep hypocrite with multiple standards. I do not like saying this about a fellow human being, really. I was taught not to judge.
At the end of the second interview,, I believe, she revealed her character very clearly with a hissy remark about not being given a backpack and a passport. No one has called her on it. I would like to do that: I have known many, many people who worked hard, hard, hard for a year and then bought a backpack and traveled to discover the world. Others did the Peace Corps. Others worked with NGOs in Africa. I have known Vietnam vets, guys who were thrown against their will into the jungle, and when they got their heads repaired and their bodies, too, they became very compassionate if quiet individuals.
I worked in a sweatshop/restaurant in NY for 9 months, I worked as a "guinea pig" at a university, and did a three month stint at 72 hours a week in order to get the money together to travel (even though I had been raised abroad). I worked from 3.30 a.m. to 9 a.m. every day to get my MA.
That stupid remark to explain away her incurious mind said it all. Is that the Christian mind?
But all elections are or should be about character as well. And as much as it pains a lot of GOP voters, McCain does not have what it takes. He should never have chosen such a weak and ill-equipped candidate. He put her in a terrible position. And she should have refused. We have to have the maturity to refuse even tempting choices in life. It's not a question of blinking or not. It is a question of closing one's eyes and carefully deliberating. But she said yes, because the power tasted so good. And now this odd couple are paired up and could win the election and sink this country through complete incompetence.
You know, in 1984, the Democrats decided to give Reagan a chance to finish his task. Enough people gave the current POTUS a chance in 2004.
Maybe, just maybe, a few GOPers and independents could put country first this time and tell their party to clean up its act and start concentrating on real issues that affect real Americans, not on getting elected or stuffing the pockets of their corporate masters. I think Obama is a very good alternative. He has a lot of competence and good judgment, at least that is the record of the past 20 months or so.
Well said! She was chosen for all the wrong reasons and this will become clear as the campaign goes on.
You may not be able to fool all of the people all of the time, but from the comment of the folks in Georgia, it seems that you can fool a lot of them way too much of the time. If that percentage is too high, McCain and Palin may yet win this election. At this point, I wouldn't give 2 cents for the combined character of the two of them. They've both been caught in too many lies and questionable choices.
Seriously, how can McSame treat the average middle class American people with so much disrespect, as to even consider a women like Palin to hold the second highest position in the government of the most powerful nation in the world???
With all the problems that the world is currently facing...climate change, terrorist, economic disasters looming, and who looks to us as a model....???
Seriously, I would worried about his health with poor judgement like this. I know and of course the American people know of school teachers who know more about foreign policy and history of the nations of the world and they do not live near bordering nation Oh, please Fellow America for all of our sakes..Republican and Democracts alike vote smarter....OBAMA/BIDEN 08
C'mon people, especially men with wives running their households. Wives that doesn't even have half the credentials of their husbands, run their housefolds to perfection. Palin can do the same job, she is more than qualified to do the job. Leave her alone, she'll do fine. Alot of us endecided, have switch to McCain because of Palin, so alot of these smear campaign will not work, we've already decided.
robert,
To which of the different smear campaigns against Obama are you referring? The one that misstates his position on energy policy, labels him a Muslim when he is not [which also smears a religion], or the one calling him an elitist left wing snob?
Are you saying that you are going to vote for McCain because Palin is responsible for these smears?
I'm just not sure of you logic.
sorry.
I am aghast! I don't understand how people can watch Palin's interviews and call it a smear campaign when the words are coming out of her mouth... repeatedly.
These interview process is how voters get to know their candidates.
Yes she's just like you and me. Yes she is nice and relatable. But we are in a war crisis, the economy is in a meltdown, the s*** is hitting the fan. And I want someone smarter than me, male or female in the White House who knows what to do at 3 a.m.
And she clearly is NOT.
She sounds like a femal George Bush. Words come out of her mouth that don't even make sense. I am very afraid for this women to run this country. Very afraid. John McCain could of made a way better choice. What was he thinking?
Thank you, Lauren for making exactly the right point. All those people who vote for someone like George W or Palin because he/she is "just like them" or who they'd want to "have a beer with"! That's not what I'm looking for as a leader of my country.
I want somebody smarter, more articulate, better educated, able and yes, *Intellectual*. I could care less how well my President bowls, whether he/she wears some kind of pin or can give birth to five kids and disembowel a moose. Handling a household is a worthy and necessary chore, but it is NOT the same as running a company, let alone a country.
As a woman I don't find Palin remotely relatable. I suspect she may be more a creation of The First Dude than anybody is letting on. But even if I did relate to her, that is so low on my list of voting criteria. I'm not voting for a BFFL or the head of the PTA, I'm voting for someone who can elevate the Presidency of the US back into position as the leader of the free world. And the VP spot should be someone who can take over if the Pres (fates forbid) has a stroke while he's in office, not somebody who can be feisty and wear lipstick.
My god, haven't we had enough of babbling, ill-educated, faith-based, decision-making that passed for leadership during the past eight years?!
I just heard this interview and all I can say is "Thank you God" that the highest level position in this country is for only 4 years. I would love to have a women vice president/president but there are more important requirements than that. It's hard to believe that McCain thought she was the most qualified person to fulfil the vice presidential position; to help lead this entire nation. I think this is a good example of his sense of judgement which is quite scary.
This Palin pick is a gut-check for the neo-conservative base. The economy is failing, there are 2 wars running, tensions between the United States and 2 nuclear powers are intensifying (Russia & North Korea), and the list could go on, and the pick McCain makes for his running mate is Marge from "Fargo." This was as cynical a political choice as any politician has made in my lifetime. Although I think it is an illegitimate crticism to say she is not experienced enough to run for this office (every bit as much as I think that an illegitimate concern in regards to Obama's candidacy), the Constitution lays out what qualficiations are encessary for both offices, and both candidates meet them for the offices they are seeking, respectively. It is, however, a completely legitimate concern, given the limited number of times the public has been allowed to ask this person questions, that she seems to have no thoughts on some of the issues mentioned above of her own. If John McCain's yardstick for the highest office in this land is that he is ready for the job of president on day one, and that the country cannot afford any "on the job training", then look his constituents in the eye and, with a straight face, explain that Palin is his running mate. Watch the Gibson and Couric interviews, then watch the debate this Thursday and ask yourselves if your country can handle 4 to 8 years of her type of leadership. If the answer is "no." Then spare a thought to the judgement displayed by the Republican candidate for President in making Palin his choice for Vice President.
Though usually quite articulate, it is difficult to find the words to express my reactions to Palin and her obvious ignorance during interviews with media.
First, however, in response to being embarrassed for her, I am far more embarrassed by our system that permits a candidate to select an incompetent running mate, particularly at such a crucial point in our history. I am embarrassed in trying to explain to foreign friends and business associates how in the world Palin would even be considered as a potential VP--and I have no good response to their questions.
I greatly resent the claims that Palin is "in touch" with average Amercians across the U.S. and that she represents "us" and our values. Somehow, politicians--and Bush may be cited as an example--try to entwine their own beliefs and ideologies with those whom they are supposedly representing, and in essence exhibit how far they are willing to go to follow their own ideas, rather than those of the majority.
Palin claims to be a patriot of the United States. If she cared more about her country than about self promotion, she would step aside gracefully to allow a leader who has the experience, wisdom and leadership qualities that are required to fulfil the role of Vice President of the United States. This is a sad sham.
McCain was thinking that Hillary supporters would push him over the winning line. He gambled with PUMA, and he made a bad choice. He showed he is more interested in winning the election by grabbing other party's angry supporters rather than looking at what will happen to USA if something happens to him and this complate naive takes over the presidenchip. He put his own political interest over country's interest. Thats why he deserves to loose the election. Period.
David
This might explain why McCain was unable to meet the eyes of Barack Obama in their Debate. He must have been sooooooo embarrassed by his running mates choice and her inability to speak English and her severe knowledge deficit. What was he thinking? Possibly, he thought that any woman as Vice President might appeal to women in general. This concept is so appalling and so sexist.
I can't imagine how she arrived at her present position, Governor of the State of Alaska.
This reminds me of Lewis Carrol's "Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall, Humpty Dumpty had a great fall, and all the King's Horses and all the King's men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty together again"
How refreshing to read comments on a conservative board that are thoughtful and articulate instead of angry rants. I'm not conservative myself, but I always appreciate specific, civil arguments. My complimentst to you and many of these readers.
One way to discover a candidates readiness or intellectual wearwithall may be to ask them a historical question. For example, I wish during one of those interviews Ms Palin had been asked about Bastille Day. Finding out what basic knowledge of big historical events a candidate has might be a good way to get a gadge on them. Do you want your VP to know what Bastille Day is?
Dreher just got owned on Hewitt. Wow, he made Palin's Couric interview look smooth.
I heard McCain picked her out of spite. He could have picked another woman in the party that worked their way up the ladder and deserved the pick. He could have picked someone that is professional, ladylike, respectful and intelligent. Someone that would have treated Senator Biden with respect by calling him Senator as he called her Gov. Even if you don't agree with somebody's policies, in any walk of life, you respect the position they hold. Somebody that wouldn't have winked and had a more pleasant speaking voice. Somebody that would have acted like a Vice President of the United States Candidate at a debate instead of a giddy teenager at a party.
She calls herself a "MOM". I feel sorry for the poor baby that she prances around the stage. She holds him for about 2 minutes, and acts like she can't wait to get rid of him and gives him to somebody else.
God bless us if she gets in the White House.
I heard McCain picked her out of spite. He could have picked another woman in the party that worked their way up the ladder and deserved the pick. He could have picked someone that is professional, ladylike, respectful and intelligent. Someone that would have treated Senator Biden with respect by calling him Senator as he called her Gov. Even if you don't agree with somebody's policies, in any walk of life, you respect the position they hold. Somebody that wouldn't have winked and had a more pleasant speaking voice. Somebody that would have acted like a Vice President of the United States Candidate at a debate instead of a giddy teenager at a party.
She calls herself a "MOM". I feel sorry for the poor baby that she prances around the stage. She holds him for about 2 minutes, and acts like she can't wait to get rid of him and gives him to somebody else.
God bless us if she gets in the White House.
It is a shame that she is so idiotic and she calls herself a governor. She was very disrespectful to Sen. Biden at the debate. In addition, she indicated to Alaskan African Americans when asked why she had no African Americans on her team, that she did not have to hire any AA and she had no intentions of doing so. However she lost the election to an African American. GOD works in misterious ways huh? Also, I wonder why she did not intend to hire any AA on her team but she certainly got angry when OPRAH an African American for not inviting her to her Black show.
It's really unfortunate that any "JERK" can put anything they want on the web nowadays. Despicable human beings You and COURIC
Mr.Dreher: It is always remarkable to me to find a first rate, honest mind. I wish you would talk some sense into RUSH and Billy Cunningham, and Sean H. Savage and O'Riley are hopeless... In my mind they are all hopeless. Your review of Palin on CBS is magnificient just because it is so crystal honest. For a look a Palin and the country, I recommend Matt Taibbi's MAD DOG PALIN on internet. Matt in not a CON, but equally crunchy as a PROGRESSIVE. Mr. Dreher, Please Keep up cutting through the mess with your diamond sword of honesty and intelligencs. ap m6m8ps
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