Twitter and the transformation of friendship
Do you use Twitter, the microblogging service that lets you keep your friends updated about your every move? Me no. You couldn't pay me to do it. Why would I want to tell everyone where I am, and what I'm...
I signed on to Facebook to see a friend's photos of some NT mss. work he was doing (and posting on FB).
I purposefully keep my own FB information pretty low-key and uninformative.
However, I've read/learned things about some of my FB "friends" that make me wonder if some people use FB like a psychiatrist's couch - except they're telling the whole world their problems.
Is this good? Is this wise? I'm not so sure.
There's not a chance in the world I'd use twitter. I value my privacy more than that and I don't want to know what's going on in other people's lives every waking moment. I love my friends and family, but I've got quite a bit to do in my waking moments and reading what kind of sandwich someone ate at lunch, isn't my idea of "quality time". I will say that cell phones keep me more connected to my family/friends than before they became so unavoidable. I don't text, though, and the conversations are brief.
My step-daughter worked for us this summer at our family business and she was constantly texting, or being texted. What on earth do these kids have to say to each other? I know it makes me sound like a grouchy old lady, but it drives me crazy. As for FaceBook--another modern day thing I don't get. Seems to me we're raising a whole generation of exhibitionists.
I use Facebook and Twitter.
I'm a WAHM and earn my living online. I haven't met most of my colleagues and clients because they live all over the world; Twitter and Facebook is one way to get to know them. It's an online equivalent of a water cooler.
Twitter is good because you have to be pithy; you only have 140 characters to express a thought. There are several bloggers whose blogs I've stopped reading because it's too time consuming. I read their Twitter pages instead because those posts are so much more to the point.
Facebook is essentially a relationship management device and an alternative to email, especially among the youth. I have two teenagers and they are on Facebook, so that gives me additional incentive to be there.
True, much of it is a waste of time and is mostly small talk. But it's more efficient to leave a wall message than it is to pick up the phone or write an email when you just want to quick check in with someone. I enjoy reading the status and wall messages from my friends who live far away.
Overall, I'm able to get to know people better and stay in touch with them thanks to Facebook and Twitter without having to spend much time at it.
Humanity is groping its way towards a technologically-assisted Overmind.
This is an early stage technology - the real acceleration will come when neural interfaces become practical.
I use Facebook, not Twitter. Couldn't be bothered to keep up with Twitter. (I'd post like every 3-4 days maybe?) I got a Facebook account to keep up with my younger sisters and relatives. However, I have used it to get in touch with lots of old college friends who've moved away. It *was* very odd when I found out that a good friend got engaged by seeing her status change on Facebook, and it's strange to see a side of my brother-in-law or my sister's friends that I don't usually see. I find that I see things on their pages long before they get around to emailing everyone the news. I like it; I feel more in touch with friends & family who live far away. Let's face it, they use the computer a lot more than the phone these days. I wouldn't bother if I weren't the oldest in my family though.
I don't have a Facebook acct., but I can sort of see the possibility of using one simply as a means of connecting with distant friends or relatives--not sharing the "I'm making a sandwich" kind of trivia, but the "I'm going to be in your town next month on these dates" etc. sort of thing. Arguably, there are better ways of doing that for some people than a social networking site--but I can think of a couple of younger relatives who'd be more likely to see and respond to such a message than to remember to return a voice mail.
Twitter is another story altogether. I can't see the allure of reading a first-person narrative autobiographical stream of consciousness tale written by several different people, none of whom have all that much to say on a day-to-day basis. Besides, I'm a wordy person, and it would appear that brevity is the soul of Twit. (Err, tweets. Whatever.)
Rod, what you write about feeling like people are reading your mind is interesting, and one of the main reasons why I think virtual socialization lacks something vital. People are not simply their minds, or the sum total of all their random thoughts. People are mind-body-spirit, and when you only get to see one of those three aspects it's as unreal as only seeing a photograph of someone you'd like to meet, but haven't yet, and might never get to.
Ordinarily friendship begins when people connect both mentally and physically--not in a "physical relationship" sense, of course, but in those thousands of little ways we communicate beyond the verbal. A seemingly uninteresting person suddenly smiles a roguish smile or gives you a glance that can only be described as a look of kinship, that "fellow feeling" that the poet says "makes one wondrous kind," if I'm not horribly misquoting, and the dynamics of the conversation change, ever so slightly. The person who was a stranger at the beginning of the encounter has been bound to you, by the end of it, with those gossamer threads that may one day be woven into a tapestry of friendship--and behind both the words and the images, the thoughts expressed and the serious or silly or tragic or dramatic or dryly humorous way they were expressed, we have caught just a glimpse of the soul.
Words alone, however well or honestly expressed, seldom pull aside that curtain behind the eyes to reveal the spirit beyond. How often do we make the mistake of thinking we really "know" someone we've only "met" online, on a blog or a forum or an e-mail list or some other virtual "coffee shop" of desultory conversation, only to meet them at last and find the experience unaccountably disappointing, or even depressing? Worse, how often do we meet someone from online in a group setting, and feel frustrated that the person we're used to communicating directly with, and who seems to be giving us undivided attention, is now pulled into a dozen different conversational directions with the complete thought left so unfinished, compared to words on a box on a screen that give us all the time in the world to express every part of what we wanted to say?
Truth be told, I've been a little afraid to meet people I only know from online contact. I know of myself that I come across so much better in print than in real life. But this means that what seems like virtual socialization is really just a facade, a poor substitution for the real thing--and a tool like Twitter just seems like it would eventually take that virtual social life to the next level of isolation. Sure, at this point some, if not most, people who use the service are actually friends in real life, but how long will that be the case?
I use facebook the same way most college students do. I keep in contact with old friends, communicate with new friends, and, of course, I "facebook stalk" guys I'm interested in. (It really isn't as creepy as it sounds, I just look at their interests - mostly political and religious - and see if they're compatible with mine)
I use Twitter too, but I don't update on my every move, and I rarely subscribe to people who do. I use it to post my thoughts on things going on in the world and I normally link to news articles. As this election as heated up, I post a lot about my feelings on the candidates and the campaigns. The thing I most enjoy about Twitter is seeing what other people think about the issues. Since the comments have to be condensed, I can get a concise view of how people feel about various issues without wading through a lot of meaningless rhetoric.
I use Facebook more for the fact that it has several useful tools that I would be doing anyway, but all in one package, kinda like using a Leatherman multitool when I don't really have to get out the entire toolbox for light repairs. That said, I really don't think it's necessary to post my every move on the thing.
I use Facebook and find it reasonably useful as a way to locate and stay in touch with people I haven't seen in a long time; there are Real World friends for whom, for whatever reason, I don't have their e-mail address, and Facebook is usually how I get in touch with them.
Couldn't care less about Twitter. I use my phone to make phone calls.
Richard
I use Twitter in a variety of ways. For journalistic research, as a networking tool with professionals, for breaking news. It has been excellent during the Olympics, the DNC & RNC/GOP Conventions, and when world crisis occurs.
Here in California, where Twitter was created, it has been used as a news alert service. The Fires of 2008, Earthquakes and public safety alerts are beneficial. The USGS has a twitter account and send out "tweets" of seismic activity throughout the world.
I like the prayer and meditation tweets I receive hourly and daily. I like the comments I have received from my followers when they relate and want to comment on my exasperation or exhilaration.
The application is morphing daily.
I use Facebook in the same fashion.
This is my first post to this blog, despite my following it for over a year (I read "Crunchy Cons" in 2006).
I finally joined Facebook some months ago, largely because my younger sister (34 years old) is on it. I don't post on it a whole lot, except for status updates every couple of days (my profile doesn't even list hobbies or activities or whatever). I'm in a funny situation because although I have bothered to acquire 33 "friends", in reality my girlfriend and closest friends aren't on Facebook or any other social networking sites at all. So I'm basically still living in the age of email. I don't publish a blog, took down my personal Web site several years ago after getting some weird emails by people commenting on parts of it, hardly post comments to blogs although I heavily lurk on many of them, and basically have scaled down over the years my formerly heavy use of the Internet for human communication (I started doing email and reading and posting on Usenet in 1987). I have my reasons for scaling back so much in the past five or six years, mostly having to do with the shallowness and illusion of true communication, in my experience.
I have never used Twitter and don't even know if anyone I know uses it. I signed up for an account just to claim an ID just in case somehow I want it in the future (just as I maintain registration of my domain name in case I eventually want to create a real Web presence).
Here's a comedic take, courtesy of Penny Arcade. The humor's off-color, but it's quite appropriate:
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/4/23/
Twitter and Facebook are tools. You decide how you wish to use them.
Personally, I think "moderation in all things" is a good rule for getting the best use out of social-networking sites . . . which really can be incredibly useful for keeping up with folks or getting to know new people or, indeed, learning about new things.
I know that, with Facebook, it's certainly allowed a bunch of us from the Baton Rouge High Class of '79 to reconnect after nearly 30 years, even before the reunion next year. And Twitter can be an incredibly powerful tool for newspapers -- Twittering the headlines of the day and linking to the online stories.
Why don't you try out both and see what the deal is for yourself?
Here's my Twitter feed (followers welcome):
http://twitter.com/Revolution_21
THis is as connected as I get. I still don't have a cell phone. At forty, maybe i'm already a curmudgeon, but i don't want to be the person that is so busy texting and or talking to their friends that aren't there that they have no real awareness of the people that surround them. It may sound cliche, but I think living in the moment is a good thing and it should involve giving your attention to the people who are in front of you. Have you ever tried to deal with someone who's trying to talk to you and to someone who'
This is a bit off-topic, but John E write that "Humanity is groping its way towards a technologically-assisted Overmind.
This is an early stage technology - the real acceleration will come when neural interfaces become practical."
Can anyone recommend any good sci-fi novels having to do with this phenomenon?
That was me at 1:53.
You know, if someone really thought my random thoughts and events were actually interesting, I would be concerned for their mental state. I'm just not that interesting of a person. Besides, our thoughts should probably stay private. How does it change our "threshold" of communication if break down our privacy barriers?
On the other hand, I suppose it gives people who, for whatever reason, cannot share their lives with others in person, a chance to be at least pseudo-intimate. I'm a bit skeptical of the value of that pseudo-intimacy.
For instance, I just got back after spending Fri, Sat, Sunday out in the woods, where we were teaching kids "subsistence" camping. The horses packed in the tents (and two of us brought chairs, nobody else thought of them), and everything else had to be carried in on your back. My water purifier sufficed for the whole camp. One group forgot eatware. Others didn't bring seasonings. One of the horses knocked the leader off the trail into the water drenching him and his backpack, and then the horse thrashed around in teh water, drenching all the stuff in t he saddlebags.
Lent blankets, forks and spoons, water bottles and even one's prowess at fishing, and the younger boys determination to find huckleberries to enliven Sunday's breakfast were all met with sincere Thanks you's all around.
Yet, all of us had lenthy periods of time lost in our thoughts, and we never spoke them to anyone. Altogether, a healthy and renewing weekend.
Can we really, truly "hear" God if our lives are so filled with noise and endless information?
I avoid using Facebook at each and every available opportunity. Given the demands of a family and a law practice, I simply don't have the time. (This is why I send so many of my posts at 2 and 3 AM. Small children have demands.)
Facebook strikes me as being more of a bother than it's worth. From what I understand, it takes a long time to keep up with the demands of finding out who your new "friends" are and what they're doing. It's rather like having your own celebrity watch list---your very own personalized "People" magazine or some such thing that one can tinker with and manipulate.
"Twitter", on the other hand, seems to me to be very creepy. I don't care to live under a microscope, nor do I have the time or desire to look at other people under one of my own. If I want to know what someone is up to, I'll call them or e-mail them. It's more respectful of their personal dignity, it takes up less of their time, and most of the people I associate with also don't have this obsessive need to know what other people are doing every second of the day.
I've haven't got the time for Twitter or Facebook. Nor the need. I've got a life.
Your servant,
Lord Karth
I have a facebook account, but I tell people who add me as "friends" that I'm not a faithful facebooker. I don't see how a person can blog and facebook at the same time. Facebook seems to fill the void for people who want to blog but don't have the gumption (or interest) to write everyday.
As for Twitter, I love it! I love the challenge of summing up the right-now in one sentence, of finding what is interesting about the ordinary moments of life. I'm not compelled by people who simply give a play-by-play of their day; I like to read the people who write tidbits that show how exciting or funny or interesting life can be. It doesn't necessarily give out too much information -- observing what's going on around you doesn't necessarily say where you are or who you are with or any other details.
I think in the online world, you can guard a lot, while still making people feel like they "know" you.
Can anyone recommend any good sci-fi novels having to do with this phenomenon?
Posted by: erbs | September 8, 2008 1:55 AM
Spider Robinson wrote "Time Pressure" on that theme. If I think of others, I'll post them.
Here is a Wikipedia entry on the subject:
Technological Telepathy is also present in science fiction, typically involving the usage of neural implants of some description. A good example is the Conjoiners in the Revelation Space series by Alastair Reynolds. Conjoiners rely on their technological telepathy (referred to by them as "Transenlightenment") to the extent that they no longer actually speak. Certain Conjoiners are able to read, attack and control the minds of other Conjoiners and machines (though not standard humans) using digital attacks, often having similar effects to other telepaths in fiction.
Some people, occasionally referred to by themselves or others as "transhumanists", believe that technologically enabled telepathy, coined "techlepathy", will be the inevitable future of humanity. Kevin Warwick of the University of Reading, England is one of the leading proponents of this view and has based all of his recent cybernetics research around developing practical, safe for directly connecting human nervous systems together with computers and with each other. He believes techno-enabled telepathy will in the future become the primary form of human communication. He predicts that this will happen by means of the principle of natural selection, through which nearly everyone will have the need for such technology for economic and social reasons.[4][5]
It's rather telling, don't you think, that the person in the example was willing to *read* that his friend was getting sicker and then well again, but he never got around and took her any chicken noodle soup?
erbs, also "Oath of Fealty" by Niven and Pournelle
Sounds like old-time small-town life, when folks gathered in the only (or one of 2) tavern/store in town and shared thoughts. When you knew what people were going because you saw them cross the street, or that they weren't feeling well because someone bought medicine at that only store--or you smelled the herbs brewing as you passed their house.
The problem with twiting or facebooking, etc today, is that not only do your friends (village neighbors) know what's up with you, so do any number of strangers who decide to drop by. I'm not comfortable having just anyone know what's in my sandwiches. I'd rather meet and get to know them first in real time.
The original idea of Twitter was to keep people updated about what you were doing, but I don't know many people who use it that way. Typical posts deal with what people are thinking. These days many people tend to work in isolation, and have friends and colleagues scattered all over the globe. Twitter is just like office water cooler chatter for a distributed office.
Can anyone recommend any good sci-fi novels having to do with this phenomenon?
1. "Old Man's War" & "The Ghost Brigades", both by John Scalzi. Implanted computers enabling a form of telepathy for soldiers.
2. "Forever Peace" by Joe Haldeman. Neural interface used to remotely-control battle robots, with telepathy (while jacked in) and a muting of aggressive tendencies (over time) as a side-effect.
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As for Facebook & Twitter, I use the former but not the latter. My Facebook page is rather sparse, and mainly dominated by lists of my favorite books. No pictures of myself - I have an aversion to posting pictures of myself on the Internet. Updates are confined to what I'm reading at the time.
I have found Facebook somewhat useful for contacting people I haven't seen in a while (e.g., buddies from boot camp, old classmates).
Looking back, it seems I used my now-largely-dormant blog more as a mode of publishing essays, than as a diary. Given that my various failed attempts at journalling, I guess that makes sense.
Although I make my living in technology, I was the last person among my colleagues to get an email address (other than a company-furnished one). I still don't have a cell phone, mainly because there are times I don't want my wife to find me. Such as when I am at the supermarket to pick up a bottle of orange juice, she might call with a short "list" of thirty five other things we "need". I didn't even own a VCR until video tapes were nearly obsolete and that was a Christmas gift. I took it out of the box sometime during the following Lent but I have never set the clock and don't know how to and am sufficiently uninterested in what time the machine thinks it is to learn how. Besides the range and coffee maker have clocks but even without their help, I know precisely when it's time to make tea or coffee.
My kids and siblings have FB accounts but I'm not sure they have Twitter. One of my sisters has 82 friends. Her acquaintances must number in the thousands. I don't think I could cope with such intense socialization. I am however thinking of starting a blog but I am going to disable all comments. It is going to be like a type of public solitary confinement with the posts analogous to scratching on the cell walls. A nutshell with infinite space.
The only other foray into online mischief that I have undertaken is as a contributor to Wikipedia. I started out small, modifying articles with bits of dubious information mainly in classical articles where no one would be harmed except for classicists. They are fair game. Like the time I posted about a nonexistent archeological trove in western Turkey that suggested Herototus was a Persian collaborator. I gave it one of those [citation needed] superscripts and it stayed up a long time until they figured out that neither the site nor the Turkish architect was real. Modesty keeps me from mentioning what I posted about the Shroud of Turin. Though I will mention that I am the source of the revelation that Héloïse based her letters to Abélard on the Epistle of Mary of Magdala to Jesus, a document which the Church subsequently suppressed. To this day it lies ensconced in the Vatican Secret Archive but was for a time accidently available on the Vatican website. Regrettably it has been taken down. Also for a while I posted deliberate anachronisms into history articles but this was frustrating because the articles themselves already contained outright lies. A man has got to know his limitations. But then I found that posting small theological insights into science articles was more amusing. Like Thomas Aquinas' prescience in divining the preternatural essence of tachyons. Sometimes the editors or moderators delete these things, but sometimes they don't. You do what you can. The best thing about this is that when people cite wikipedia, I can point to a specific contribution of mine as an example of its unreliability.
My next Wikipedia contribution is almost finished and I am going to post it in the article about Rod Dreher. It seems he is being sued by a California dermatologist whose book Crunchy Cons is about a pandemic of viral epidermal sclerosis which ran rampant in San Quentin a few years ago. He claims that Rod's use of the same title has negatively impacted sales of his book and kept it from making the NYT bestseller list and depriving him of fame. The doctor is not lacking for fortune however, having sold the most potent mutation of the virus to al-qaeda and a vaccine to the CDC. I will try to get this crucial information up by later today.
A while back I set up a Librarything account where you can list a couple of hundred of your books for free. Other people with the same books show up on your list. I listed about a dozen books, three of which do not exist. At least not yet. I was amazed to find out that seven other people owned at least one of the books. Now I feel I have to write them although I know nothing of wheelchair golf, how to neuter your gerbils, or deconstructing the literature of gourmet cannibalism. I closed my account after getting an email from the owner of the gourmet book. He (or she) sent along his Facebook and Twitter urls.
I'm sorry if this post is too long but I am working on a project in one window and adding to this post in real time. Maybe I need a Twitter account. It's all Rod's fault.
Next update at noon....
I've been thinking that the ubiquitous connectivity to each other is going to be the huge, reality-changing aftermath of the 'information age'. Seriously.
The idea that you won't fall out of touch with all your grade school and college friends is already changing behavior there, and it's actually in a good way. People are forming communities and, instead of them dissolving, they're just turning virtual.
I don't know about twitter, though. To be honest, the amount of people willing to narrate their life like that seems limited.
Lord Karth
Facebook strikes me as being more of a bother than it's worth. From what I understand, it takes a long time to keep up with the demands of finding out who your new "friends" are and what they're doing. It's rather like having your own celebrity watch list---your very own personalized "People" magazine or some such thing that one can tinker with and manipulate.
You don't have to use it as a real time system, or keep adding people.
I'm on facebook. It probably took originally an hour to locate all the friends I could think of (You just find one or two people who are close friends and know all the same people, and grab friends from them.), and it suggests friends from people that a lot of your friends have friended. And, of course, people can add you from the other direction. It really isn't hard or time consuming.
I use it mostly as simpler email. I actually have it email me when someone sends me a message, which can be either a public or private one, so in theory I never have to check in, although I do about once a week when bored so I can see what people are doing.
It's much easier than having to keep track of dozens of email addresses I'd send to twice a year, or bothering to get them in the first place and put them in an address book, and a lot of people have their cellphone numbers in there too.
I don't use twitter and probably won't ever. I use facebook, but I don't consult or change it often. I have been keeping a livejournal for seven years now, and through it, I interact with many of my friends and a few strangers several times a day. The format is more of an essay than facebook or (certainly) twitter. It's very much like blogging, and the format suits my purposes more than any other communication tool.
The journal has made it possible to keep my friends from other cities close, though I've been mostly away from them for years. Sometimes, I think the people who keep up with me online can see me from the inside, because the content is personal and filtered, than real-life friends who observe me from the outside. On the other hand, context conveys a lot about a person, and context is missing in online relationships. Then, too, I experience pangs at missing events with my far-off friends; I can see their lives moving in exciting directions, and I sometimes wish I could be there, the way I used to.
Rod,
The Times article was smart but not comprehensive. You essentially Tweet (the verb meaning "To use Twitter") on this blog, especially when you do shorter posts. Twitter is simply a tool for micro-blogging. Some people use it to track what they are doing at any given moment ("Gazing at navel."), but many use it to post links to news or to actually weigh in on an issue. For me, it's mostly a listening device, meaning it's (1) a news feed--I first learned about the Biden nomination and the death of Tim Russert on Twitter--and (2) a content aggregator. Because I only follow the Tweets of people I admire or trust, I am inclined to click on the links they post in their Tweets, and I'm often glad that I do.
Twitter (and/or Facebook) does not have to be a sophomoric device. Like all social tech, it's a neutral tool, and you can make use of it in whatever way you choose. The key is being deliberate and thoughtful about it, not just embracing or rejecting it.
Just had to follow with this Tweet from Alan Jacobs (Wheaton), which I saw just after posting my comment above: Dorothy Parker, asked to use the word "horticulture" in a sentence: "You can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her think."
Did someone start a Crunchy Cons group on Facebook?
Facebook, and it's just like the Twitter guy says. In 5 minutes, I can read all of my Friends' updates. To replicate that would take hours on the phone, every day.
My closest friends, I still see or talk to or e-mail. But I've got 100 friends that I keep up with almost daily, whom I'd otherwise only see at class reunions or by accident.
Whenever I hear about facebook or twitter I am reminding of famed computer pioneer Donald Knuth and his views on email:
http://www-cs-staff.stanford.edu/~knuth/email.html
Your resistance to Twitter, Facebook, and social networking sites is pretty much emblematic of everything wrong with "crunchy conservatism" in a nutshell. It's predicated on a false hierarchy between "real" relationships (read: "in meatspace," in a small town where neighbors get together for jamborees or whatever it is you do) and online ones.
First of all, while online relationships and meatspace ones are fundamentally different, neither is superior to the other, and the former opens up whole new realms of possibility that did not exist a few decades ago.
Second, small-town life sucks. It fosters close-mindedness and homogeneity, and it's awful for the environment. The only realistic future for humanity that preserves the good aspects of the past 200 or so years of development while still being environmentally sustainable necessarily involves high-density urban living, which in turn is incompatible with small-town social conservatism.
This would not be a problem if people didn't fetishize some imaginary version of small town life and didn't consistently devalue online relationships and any sense of community that is not contiguous with the boundaries of a small town.
There are actually two Crunchy Cons Facebook groups.
Brendan: I don't have a problem asserting a superiority of in-person relationships to online relationships. That's not fetishizing anything; it's simply acknowledgment of reality. "Meatspace" -- nice. Gnosticism meets William Gibson. Good times.
"...small-town life sucks. It fosters close-mindedness..." Sometimes irony speaks for itself.
Richard
"small-town life sucks. It fosters close-mindedness and homogeneity"
That's the most close-minded thing I've read in a long time.
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