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Friday September 19, 2008

Barry Ritholtz, on historical irony: I am having a hard time keeping up with all of the bailouts and special facilities created for dealing with this crisis. Am I missing any? - Bear Stearns - Economic Stimulus progam - Housing...
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Will Harrington
September 19, 2008 9:57 PM

The thing that amazes me is all the people who can write and talk with a straight face about how we have had a conservative president and congress with Bush and the Republican congress. Seems to me, back when Bush was first running, the big question was, was he a real conservative? The consensus was, well no, but.... I mean, whats the first thing he did? Write an education bill with T. Kennedy. The action of a conservative? Sign all sorts of spending bills written by a the supposedly conservative cangress? The only reason he enjoyed as much support as he has is because of war. Seems that Republicans and democrats, when it comes to actually governing, differ only on a few social issues to please their base, but one thing seems clear, we have not had conservative government.

Christopher
September 20, 2008 1:41 AM

"And for the past 8 years, a conservative was in the White House, with a very conservative agenda."


I would expect Mr. Dreher to quote this with at least a note indicating it's utter ridiculousness. There is not one faction of "conservativism" that claims the man...

Chris
September 20, 2008 2:16 AM

Conservatives trying to wash their hands of Bush are as bad as Pilate. Conservatives worked hard to elect Bush, twice, even after it was clear that he was incompetent. Conservatives defended Bush right up until the country turned its back on him, and then declared that Bush wasn't really a conservative after all.

The pirouette looks effortless, but it's not fooling anyone. The so-called "conservative movement" got every tax cut, every deregulation, every war it wanted. Now it wishes to sneak away from the results of it's own demands. At least Krauthammer is honest in his support of Bush, the rest are weasels.

Rod Dreher
September 20, 2008 9:35 AM

Yeah, I have to say as a conservative who voted twice for Bush, it's more than a little ridiculous for conservatives to have reached the end of these awful Bush years saying, "Bush who? Never knew the guy."

Lord Karth
September 20, 2008 3:40 PM

Will Harrington @ 9:57 PM writes:

"Seems that Republicans and democrats, when it comes to actually governing, differ only on a few social issues to please their base, but one thing seems clear, we have not had conservative government. "

No kidding. As I've said before, the GOP and the Democrats are, operationally speaking, two wings of the same apparatus; the American National Socialist party. Their support bases are slightly different, but any Venn diagram would reveal a great many similarities. The overlap would be in the elderly and the large corporations, since both wings go out of their way to insure funding for entitlements and corporate welfare and special projects. As far as I can see, the average American commoner has NO "natural home" anywhere in the current unrestricted-welfare/warfare State system.

Btw, this is one paleoconservative who isn't going to "wash his hands" of the GOP, at least on the presidential level. I already did; in 2000, I voted Constitutionalist and in 2004 I voted Libertarian. I have no grounds for guilt, not a bit. As far as this time around----either Barr, Nader or Mickey Mouse. The last one may well be the soundest choice, for several reasons.

Your servant,

Lord Karth

Christopher
September 21, 2008 4:30 PM

Conservatives have defended Bush (I certainly have) on certain issues (stem cells, war on terror, etc.) but have never claimed Bush is a "conservative". Even libertarian first (and conservative second) Rush Limbaugh has from the beginning explained this.

As a traditional conservative (Kirkean, not "crunchy") I voted for Bush also (1st time, not second), but that still does not make him a "conservative".

With his support for the prescription drug giveaway and the like, it is clear now he is Rockefeller (even if he is not quite as liberal on social issues)...

Anonymous
September 21, 2008 4:38 PM

Karth,

I went for Constitutionalist in 04 also. Your analysis is right on - I have argued for years it will be the GOP, not the Dem's, who complete the socialization of medicine. Reason is they have the $financial$ clout with the public. Everyone knows the Dem's would screw it up, but enough are under the illusion the GOP would do it "right"...

Christopher
September 21, 2008 4:41 PM

Sorry, that last post to Karth was mine...

stellaf
February 4, 2009 2:25 AM

Hi,

It is really a nice article. I have gone through with your comments. Thanks for sharing.


Stella
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Rod Dreher is an editorial columnist for the Dallas Morning News, and author of "Crunchy Cons" (Crown Forum), a nonfiction book about conservatives, most of them religious, whose faith and political convictions sometimes put them at odds with mainstream conservatives. The views expressed in this blog are his own.

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