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What the MSM doesn't get about Palin people

Wednesday September 3, 2008

Categories: Republicans
Peggy Noonan, bringing it: And when you forget you're a Bubblehead [Noonan's term for media people and politicos who live inside the DC-NYC bubble -- RD] you get in trouble, you misjudge things. For one thing, you assume evangelical Christians...
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bob c
September 3, 2008 5:20 PM

rod, in all honesty, how do you even consider posting this when noonan was caught off-mic saying this:

"It's over," Noonan said.

When Chuck Todd asked her if this was the most qualified woman the Republicans could nominate, Noonan responded, "The most qualified? No. I think they went for this, excuse me, political bullshit about narratives. Every time the Republicans do that, because that's not where they live and that's not what they're good at, they blow it."

EddieInCA
September 3, 2008 5:25 PM

Um.. Rod... You may want to revise this post:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrG8w4bb3kg&e

Who know Peggy Noonan had such a potty mouth?

And, Rod, what does it say that Peggy Noonan, who wrote what you post ,, on an open microphone, "The most qualified? No! I think they went for this -- excuse me-- political b******t about narratives --"

This is getting more and more sad with each passing hour.

EddieInCA
September 3, 2008 5:28 PM

I'm waiting with baited breath to see how Rod updates this post.

Doug Cramer
September 3, 2008 5:32 PM

Oh my! Mother Sarah has a thing for Ivana Trump, and doesn't seem to share everyone's deification of local Alaska color:

""We want to see Ivana," said Palin, who admittedly smells like salmon for a large part of the summer, "because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture.""

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/09/03/halperin/index.html

I wonder if she'll give Ivana a shout-out tonight from the podium. After all, it's her first nationally televised speech; why not?

Doug

Scott Lahti
September 3, 2008 5:34 PM

"Media" being the plural of "medium", the headline would read, corrected, as "What the MSM don't (not "doesn't") get about Palin people".

What MSM don't get most of all, most tellingly: plural subject-verb agreement on their own nomenclatural turf.

Next up - speaking of matters "Palinesque" [dons scraggly grey desert-island beard] - that most widely-abused contraction used when the apostrophe-free possessive is called for, viz.:

It's...

Daniel
September 3, 2008 5:34 PM

Looks like the Bubblehead has shown her real colors and isn't all that interested in learning what the Palin people think.

Populist grandstanding by media elites (conservative or liberal) is nauseating because it is so duplicitious.

Doug Cramer
September 3, 2008 5:35 PM

"Loyalty oaths"?!?!?! Mother Sarah is Dubya in drag.

More, from the same article:

From the The Anchorage Daily News on February 1, 1997:

City librarian Mary Ellen Emmons will stay, but Police Chief Irl Stambaugh is on his own, Wasilla Mayor Sarah Palin announced Friday.

The decision came one day after letters signed by Palin were dropped on Stambaugh's and Emmon's desks, telling them their jobs were over as of Feb. 13.

The mayor told them she appreciated their service but felt it was time for a change. "I do not feel I have your full support in my efforts to govern the city of Wasilla. Therefore I intend to terminate your employment ..." the letter said.

Palin said Friday she now feels Emmons supports her but does not feel the same about Stambaugh.

As to what prompted the change, Palin said she now has Emmons' assurance that she is behind her. She refused to give details about how Stambaugh has not supported her, saying only that "You know in your heart when someone is supportive of you."

Jaybird
September 3, 2008 5:36 PM

To quote La Noonan herself:

"Savor".

hysterics
September 3, 2008 5:39 PM

bwahahaha!

well, rod, peggy noonan IS part of the mainstream media. she DOES work for the wall street journal, which is, if i'm not mistaken, the paper with the largest circulation in the country.

and she thinks that "it's over" and that the palin nomination was "political bulls*** about narratives."

face it, rod: the only reason they picked palin was that she had a baby with downs. that's it. there have to be at least 25 other republican women with equal to higher qualifications otherwise. instead it's this culture war crap that you peddle that got palin the nomination.

and its blowing up in your faces.

Nancy
September 3, 2008 5:40 PM

I could care less about the baby drama (and frankly I've not met a leftie yet that does either...they just misunderstand the right and think that they will care). It's a non-issue for everyone but the media (who aren't left or right, but are just about ratings mostly). But I am absolutely floored that Christians wouldn't be up in arms about the 3 cases of abuse of power, her running a 527 for Ted Stevens and taking money from the same scams he was taking money from, her involvement in AIP, her aggressive pursuit of wasteful earmarks, her initial lies on several of these issues (including the Bridge to Nowhere) until she got caught and changed her story, her trophy (not food) hunting, her support of the sinfully cruel aerial hunting of wolves, her initial cover up of her 3rd Abuse of power case, lying about her experiences, her lack of any informed world view. And I know some here will disagree, but I think the extreme of wanting to legislate that rape victims, children who are victims of molestation and women in medical danger must be forced to bear children. That is way out of line with most Christian's feelings. And then we go back to the judgement of McCain for putting us all at risk with this unqualified disaster with little or no vetting. I've met McCain twice, but this is not the man I used to know. He is absolutely corrupted by his desire to win.

Linda
September 3, 2008 5:40 PM

Interesting article, especially when contrasted with her now-famous "it's over" rant on a live mic.

Turmarion
September 3, 2008 5:43 PM

Thanks for the post, Doug! I put it up a few threads back! If we are to get this discussion away from Mrs. Palin's apparent status as Republican Lightworker, we need to see what her actual record indicates.

Rod Dreher
September 3, 2008 5:44 PM

Um, did you read her whole column? She admitted that she and other members of the "chattering classes" live in a bubble, and misjudge things. I'm pretty sure that's a mea culpa.

As for the potty mouth stuff, oh please, let's not be prisspots. I'm something of a pottymouth myself. Grow up.

BlairBurton
September 3, 2008 5:52 PM

Nancy wrote

"Then we go back to the judgement of McCain for putting us all at risk with this unqualified disaster with little or no vetting. I've met McCain twice, but this is not the man I used to know. He is absolutely corrupted by his desire to win."

Indeed. See

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_09/014511.php

hysterics
September 3, 2008 5:53 PM

rod! her title is "a clear and present danger to the american left"!

and on the same day she says "it's over" with regards to mccain's chances because of the palin nomination!

gimme a break. face facts - your enthusiasm for palin's natalism and (possible) homeschooling aside, this has been a train wreck for the GOP.

Andrew.
September 3, 2008 5:54 PM

"But modern American evangelicals are among the last people who'd judge her harshly."

Right. Unless she happened to be a lesbian or someone who wanted to have an abortion. Non-judgemental, my ass.

Charles Cosimano
September 3, 2008 5:55 PM

No, what you folks don't get is my extremely social conservative in-laws all suddenly deciding to vote for Obama, even though they freely use the N word to describe him because they have or have had teenage daughters and they agree with me that Palin is a monster.

John M.
September 3, 2008 5:59 PM

Well, seems that the right got its panties all in a twist about "Murphy Brown" all those years ago, and so if we lefties "misunderstand" the right's position on teen pregnancy and unwed motherhood, perhaps it's understandable, no?

bob c
September 3, 2008 6:08 PM

watching the way so many "conservatives" have allowed themselves to be used (again) by the cynicism of the GOP machine reminds me of this quote from the run-up to the iraq war:

The aide said that guys like me were ''in what we call the reality-based community,'' which he defined as people who ''believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.'' I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. ''That's not the way the world really works anymore,'' he continued. ''We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.''

Loudon is a Fool
September 3, 2008 6:10 PM

. . . my extremely social conservative in-laws all suddenly deciding to vote for Obama . .

I think in the Noonan quote above regarding political narratives there is a word that appropriately responds to Chuck's statement.

It is axiomatic that extreme social conservatives will not vote for the Obamacaust.

Houghton
September 3, 2008 6:16 PM

I have to agree with many here who have pointed out Noonan's hypocrisy. Compare this column to her "off-mic" comments. They're pretty much two widely varying opinions.

I certainly like her writing and her analysis in today's column is actually both substantive and spot-on. But let's face it, she's an Inside-the-Beltway snob -- and she apparently doesn't even believe what's she's peddling.

That must be a terrible feeling. I have the luxury of actually believing what I write, whether I happen to turn out to be correct or not.

I also happen to think Noonan is wrong that "it's over." I think it's only getting started, and it kicks off tonight.

I'd like to take a step back and review some of the predictions and positive qualities I (and many others) listed about Palin several days ago - on August 30. I don't think any of this has substantively changed. I'm sure many of you will disagree, and I'd like to hear specifics (because I know you have it in you!). These are high-altitude observations, not getting bogged down in the tit for tat trench warfare. And keep in mind that's how politics works. What is the impression voters will come away with, the top of mind message? Here's what I wrote 4 days ago:

1. As one blogger put it, "Sarah Palin runs a state. Barack Obama runs his mouth." In other words, while Obama and Biden have ZERO executive experience, she has ACTUAL executive experience.

2. She is a strong, hardworking woman of faith with energy and courage.

3. Her husband, "the first dude," is a stand-up family man and solid blue-collar guy.

4. She is pro-life - with a Down's syndrome son and four other children.

5. Her oldest son is going to Iraq -- whoops, that pretty much cuts the Democrats off at the knees for any hoped-for "chickenhawk" name-calling. They've now got to face a former POW and war hero, and the mother of a soldier.

6. She and her husband home-school their kids.

7. She brings an instant focus and expertise on the energy issue.

8. A great President or Vice President is a great leader. Leaders lead. McCain and Palin have led.

9. Palin's approval ratings in Alaska are over 80 percent. The people of her state have given her their stamp of approval.

10. Every time someone points out her "lack of experience" it points to the top of the Democratic ticket. In other words, John McCain's #2 has more experience -- and more executive experience -- than the #1 on the top of the Democratic ticket.

11. She completely undercuts the Obama "change" mantra - She is an anti-pork, pro-reform outsider who has taken on her own party, while Biden is the consummate Washington insider and Obama has been a party-line voter in the Senate 97 percent of the time (change we can believe in, indeed).

12. Perfect political jujitsu. Any attack the American Left uses against her will have an immediate boomerang effect. Here's a thought experiment: Try these potential attacks out in your head, and see what sorts of feelings they stir (here's a clue, most Americans will react with the same level of disgust against rabid far Left attacks) - "She's a right-wing Christian!" "She's against a woman's right to choose!" "She's been the mayor of a hick town!" "She gives her kids funny names" "She's a hockey mom!" "She was in a beauty pageant!"

13. As an addendum to this, the American Left is going to get very unhinged in coming weeks as their attacks on Palin boomerang and fail, so get ready to see some whacked-out rage. In fact, MSNBC's Keith
Olbermann has already weighed in with a big ol' dose of the hate last night.

14. In the coming debates with Joe Biden, all of his "strengths" are now gone. If he comes out as the condescending attack dog he is known to be, he'll come across as simply bullying the pretty young lady.

15. Plus, Palin is no shrinking flower. She's a tough, seasoned campaigner who has taken on her own party in her own state (to the point where they're now fomenting an "investigation" against her for getting her scumbag former brother-in-law fired as a state trooper - he was tasering his son and Palin's nephew, and even Olbermann admitted last night this issue was a "nonstarter").

16. She is no "token pick" or "trophy veep" - She's more prepared to be president if something happens to John McCain than Obama is to be president if something didn't happen to John McCain.

17. She pulls potential Hillary Clinton voters to her, who feel dissed by the DNC. She offered respect to Hillary and Geraldine in her speech.

18. She has charisma and smarts to burn - articulate and quick on her feet.

19. She wasn't born with a silver spoon in her mouth - she has worked hard for everything she has, out on a fishing boat in Bristol Bay!

20. She makes Obama and Biden look like girls. As a lifelong NRA member, she nails down the gun-rights voters. She hunts moose, and makes mooseburgers for her kids! Awesome!

21. She helps McCain in the Mountain states like Colorado and Montana.

22. She's not friends with racist Jeremiah Wright or 1960s radical terrorist Bill Ayers.

23. She's been proud of her country her entire life (not just this year when her president won the nomination. Ahem, cough). Yes, my use of the term "president" is intentional because of the Obamaniacs' presumptuous attitude about the "chosen One" heretofore.

24. She smoked marijuana (when it was legal in Alaska) but doesn't try to dodge the issue - "Unlike Bill Clinton, I can't claim I never inhaled."

ScurvyOaks
September 3, 2008 6:19 PM

"has been a train wreck"

I see a lot of folks counting chickens prematurely. We'll know whether Palin was a disaster come November 4.

brian
September 3, 2008 6:25 PM

Well Noonan has some backtracking to do now that she's admitted that Palin was a cynical "bulls@#t narrative" and now "its over" for the McCain campaign.

Christian conservatives are a joke. You don't stand for the teachings of Jesus Christ. You stand for politicizing God. You force your beliefs on others and the results are division and dischord. There is no love in that. I love the teachings of Christ, but I find the shallow interpretations of the christian right to be insulting and childish.

creationism? no rights for domestic partners? capital punishment? Iraq war? more guns? criminalizing abortion in cases of rape? This is a joke right?

BlairBurton
September 3, 2008 6:30 PM

Doctor Laura on Governor Palin:

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/dr_laura_and_the_talk_radio_au.php

Rod Dreher
September 3, 2008 6:48 PM

I've just seen the Noonan clip, and I didn't realize that it happened today. I agree, then, with you who have called her out on this. What does she really believe about Palin? There's a lot in that Journal column that could be asserted by someone who thinks that Palin was still a disastrous pick. But it looks bad for Noonan, no doubt. She should take her own advice about being careful about how the world looks from inside the Bubble.

On the Murphy Brown point, remember that Murphy Brown deliberately sought to have a baby without a father. That was what Quayle was criticizing.

Kirk
September 3, 2008 6:59 PM

Noonan has gone down a few notches in my book. I've had about enough of her bulls***.

Rod, IIRC, Murphy Brown's pregnancy was a surprise.

Rod Dreher
September 3, 2008 7:04 PM

Really, Kirk? I had forgotten. My bad. Thanks for the correction.

David J. White
September 3, 2008 7:07 PM

I'm waiting with baited breath to see how Rod updates this post.

Unless you have a worm on a hook hanging from your mouth, you mean "bated breath."

http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-bai1.htm

***

She is pro-life - with a Down's syndrome son and four other children.

I agree that this is a wonderful thing, I really do. But it's worth remembering that her economic circumstances are such that she and her family can afford to care for a special-needs child, can afford to hire special caregivers if necessary, can afford to have one parent (or perhaps her daughter, who will soon be caring for another baby anyway) devote him- or herself fulltime to childcare if necessary. Not every family in that position is so fortunate.

I certainly wouldn't have wanted to see that child aborted. But it's easier to make the more virtuous but more demanding choice when your circumstances are comfortable.

Brian Horan
September 3, 2008 7:19 PM

This happened on an MSNBC hot microphone with two conservatives:
"It's over," said Noonan, who then responded to a question of whether Palin is the most qualified Republican woman McCain could have chosen.

"The most qualified? No. I think they went for this — excuse me — political bullsh** about narratives," she said. "Every time Republicans do that ... because that's not where they live and it's not what they're good at and they blow it."

Murphy (2000 McCain Campaign Advisor) chimed in:

"The greatness of McCain is no cynicism, and this is cynical."

Houghton
September 3, 2008 8:51 PM

Actually Kirk, the controversy was over the fact that Murphy Brown chose not to marry the father.

That's why Dan Quayle criticized the show. Quayle criticized the show's writers for ignoring the importance of fathers. It makes me really wonder, sometimes, when people leave out this important detail, whether they're doing so intentionally.

Now so many years later, with so many fatherless children in our nation, his criticisms seem so relevant and so poignant.

And that's why I have been so frustrated with the apples to oranges, confused conflation the media has been engaging in this week in constantly trying to compare Bristol's pregnancy to Murphy Brown - and how this is supposedly a flip flop among social conservatives.

Conservatives don't "blame the mother," we bemoan the societal breakdown that has allowed this to occur. I know I point at the man involved and ask about his responsibility. And if anything, there has been a broad movement among evangelicals for churches to do more to help unwed mothers. You would have to be a person of faith to know about this, however: http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2007/october/29.25.html

If there's any comparison between Murphy Brown and Bristol, it's more accurately a contrast: it's to highlight the differences between the two situations, and the different values they represent.

My favorite article about this appeared in the Atlantic Monthly in 1993, "Dan Quayle was Right" - http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/family/danquayl.htm

"According to a growing body of social-scientific evidence, children in families disrupted by divorce and out-of-wedlock birth do worse than children in intact families on several measures of well-being. Children in single-parent families are six times as likely to be poor. They are also likely to stay poor longer. Twenty-two percent of children in one-parent families will experience poverty during childhood for seven years or more, as compared with only two percent of children in two parent families."

michael
September 3, 2008 9:09 PM

Palin is not a true social conservative, she's a careerist whose kids get leftover time, but most of the GOP base is too dim to see this, they just swallow what Noonan calls the BS narrative. Idiocracy I tell you.

B. Minich
September 3, 2008 9:54 PM

This gets more interesting:

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/declarations.html

Noonan clarifies her comments on the WSJ. Two things stand out:
1. Her bit about the Narrative being bull**** can be believed while still liking things about Palin. I don't see a contradiction there. The conversation was about why McCain had picked Palin over Kay Bailey Hutchinson. Noonan also used the example of Dan Qualye over someone else more experienced as well. Noonan even says in her column that this will either work amazingly, or not at all.
2. She argues that "Its Over" doesn't refer to the McCain campaign, but the assumption by GOP elites that what they think is what the country thinks, and says that this is truncated. I wouldn't be surprised if the audio was truncated, or if this conversation was a continuation from before, or any number of things that give it fuller context.

Kirk
September 3, 2008 9:57 PM

Thank you for the correction, Houghton.

There is another comparison, that between Murphy Brown and Sarah Palin. As I recall, one of the issues with MB was whether the uber-professional MB could successfully have a career and raise a child simultaneously. This comparison goes more to Palin's newborn than the pregnant daughter. At the time, the feminists' answer was a resounding YES, though we got to see Murphy struggle through the difficulties. Ironically, now the feminists have reversed their course. Short-sighted, if you ask me.

Max Schadenfreude
September 3, 2008 9:59 PM

If nothing else, Palin pisses off the right people (the people on the left, ironically).

Marian Neudel
September 3, 2008 9:59 PM

"Actually Kirk, the controversy was over the fact that Murphy Brown chose not to marry the father.

"That's why Dan Quayle criticized the show. Quayle criticized the show's writers for ignoring the importance of fathers. It makes me really wonder, sometimes, when people leave out this important detail, whether they're doing so intentionally."

How about the fact that the father of Murphy Brown's child was her ex-husband--so she had ALREADY tried being married to him and it had not worked. And, for that matter, by Catholic standards, she was STILL married to him, so what was the fuss about anyway?

Joseph D'Hippolito
September 4, 2008 1:25 AM

As far as Peggy Noonan goes, any unabashed admirer of "John Paul the Great" (Fraud, Incompetent, Episcopal Enabler, Theological Revisionist, Fill in the Blank...) deserves whatever she gets in lost credibility.

priceofliberty
September 4, 2008 11:22 AM

Peggy Noonan said this is either a big win or a big loss in the WSJ article.

Sometimes I feel that what is said off camera when they assume no one is recording is more important than what is said on camera or in a printed article.

I think what this shows is that the front that all GOP members are thrilled about Palin is false. Even Noonan has reservations and its her job to make it sound great.

I think there were many better choices, but unfortunatly all of those women are pro-choice.

But of course in this day and age you are pro-choice if you make any exception for abortion. I remember back 8 years ago when my position was still pro-life as was McCain of 2000.

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