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How Palin could beat Biden Thursday

Wednesday October 1, 2008

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Read the transcript of Sarah Palin's interview yesterday with conservative radio talker Hugh Hewitt (H/T: EricW). It's a fascinating piece of work. There wasn't a serious, probing question about what vice presidents actually do, or would do if they became...
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EricW
October 1, 2008 10:11 AM

FYI - There is an mp3 of the interview on that Website link, if you want to hear Palin and Hewitt doing this interview

hughhewitt.townhall.com/blog/g/0c03d39e-df44-41fc-af7d-f2f9a7f56b68

Rob G
October 1, 2008 10:13 AM

Also consider the fact that Biden seldom passes up the chance to be a self-important condescending pr*ck. If he goes that route it could play in Palin's favor.

I don't plan to watch it, BTW. Too painful, no matter how it goes. I'll just count the bodies the next morning.

Daniel
October 1, 2008 10:22 AM

Fortunately, Gwen Ifill isn't going to let her get away with such demagoguing the way Hewitt does. Biden isn't going to let her get away with it. She can mau mau and pander like this with Hewitt or someone like Rush Limbaugh, but it's much harder to do in a debate.

Nick the Greek
October 1, 2008 10:24 AM

Worked for Reagan, I'm told, though as I was 13 and living in England in 1980, I didn't really pay a whole lot of attention - I was more interested in comic books and girls than American (or even British) politics. I have to confess, though, I'd LMAO if Biden responded to one of these homespun pander moments with "there you go again" :)

Alexander Fogg
October 1, 2008 10:30 AM

Re: knowledge and preparedness

I've lately been thinking that knowledge and preparedness and smarts are oversold. Where not the leaders of Freddie and Fannie and Bear Sterns and WaMu and Wachovia, etc. all very knowledgable, exceedingly well prepared, and scary smart? And look where that got us. Perhaps character is important too. It seem like all the knowledge, preparedness, and intelligence in the world will not keep you out of trouble if you lack character. Please correct me if I am wrong.

JLF
October 1, 2008 10:31 AM

Prediction: Palin will win among those who want her to win. Biden will win among those who want him to win. As for the rest, most will be upset that their favorite network shows have been preempted for something that doesn't really matter to them.

John in Dallas
October 1, 2008 10:38 AM

Rod,

I love your blog, but I really think it's time to hold your nose, vote for McCain, and stop worrying about Palin.

This election is about Supreme Court justices.

Anduril
October 1, 2008 10:40 AM

Perhaps character is important too.

Yes, too.

Daniel
October 1, 2008 10:41 AM

Perhaps character is important too. It seem like all the knowledge, preparedness, and intelligence in the world will not keep you out of trouble if you lack character.

Of course character is important, but is it enough? Don't we need some level of competence? And what character is important? While all the candidates have a compelling character story--raising a disabled child, being a POW, taking care of his family after the tragic death of his wife, the child of a single mom--is that enough? Obama's on his first marriage. Neither Biden nor Obama had affairs that led to divorce. Neither Biden or Obama have unwed pregnant teen daughters. Neither Biden or Obama had shotgun marriages. So if its personal character--instead of policy and competence--is that really a fight you want.

bob c
October 1, 2008 10:43 AM

Pew finds that 51% of Americans now believe that Palin is unqualified, up from 37% after her announcement

Whether you are Jane Sixpack or Joe Lexus, holding your nose for someone who is unqualified - well that is just cynicism at its worst.

Houghton
October 1, 2008 10:46 AM

Daniel writes: "Fortunately, Gwen Ifill isn't going to let her get away with such demagoguing the way Hewitt does."

This is actually one of the more hilarious observations I've read on this blog lately, in light of this:

http://www.amazon.com/Breakthrough-Politics-Race-Age-Obama/dp/038552501X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1222871895&sr=8-1

I'm sure Daniel has already pre-ordered it.

I mean the book actually has "Age of Obama" in the title, and I'm supposed to talk Ifill seriously as a "moderator" now?

A quick thought experiment by anyone with any intellectual honesty will show that if the shoe were on the other foot, and this were a journalist who had just written a favorable book about McCain, the establishment media would be crying foul about the upcoming debate.

Anonymous
October 1, 2008 10:49 AM

Daniel: "Fortunately, Gwen Ifill isn't going to let her get away with ..."


You're certainly right about that. Giving Palin any breaks would be "bad for business" ... that is to say, bad for Gwen Ifill's personal business.

It turns out that Gwen Ifill has published a book, "The Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama," that is set to published on January 20, 2009 -- the day she expects Mr. Obama to be inaugurated President. It's already up on amazon.com

Ms. Ifill probably wonders how far fewer copies of her book she'll sell if, contrary to expectations, McCain/Palin win the election.

You're right, Daniel. Palin won't get any breaks from Gwen Ifill Thursday night. It would be "bad for business."

JLF
October 1, 2008 10:49 AM

Good plan, Alexander Fogg. Next time you pick a doctor, don't go for the scary smart one. Pick the one you'd rather have a beer with. After all, if that criterion is sufficient for deciding who runs the country, I'm sure it will work for your health concerns as well.

Houghton
October 1, 2008 10:51 AM

The comments about what a tough, great moderator Gwen Ifill will make are actually kind of hilarious in light of the fact that she's coming out with a fawning book in January about the "Age of Obama" - let's imagine for a moment this were a "moderator" who was preparing to release a fawning book about McCain. How well would that fly?

Ghee
October 1, 2008 10:53 AM

I'm just curious- does Palin drink alcohol? If not, it seems strange to describe herself with the Sixpack moniker.

L
October 1, 2008 10:57 AM

"Neither Biden or Obama have unwed pregnant teen daughters."

Yes, but that's a bit of a red herring, isn't it? Neither of them have teen daughters. Obama's daughters are still young, and Biden's daughter is already 27.


"Neither Biden or Obama had shotgun marriages."

Also a red herring. If one believes in abortion and contraception, this sort of negates the need for a shotgun wedding, doesn't it? At any rate, a good number of the marriages in this country begin with a pregnancy. (One "expert" in a New York Times article on weddings a while ago estimated that about 20 percent of brides are pregnant on their wedding day.) Sometimes, it's the case that it truly is a shotgun wedding, coerced by the bride's family. Other times, it's the case that the pregnancy causes both parties to realize that they do want to be together and raise the child together, and it's high time to make a commitment and get married. Just because a bride is pregnant on her wedding day does not mean that her marriage should be mocked decades later.

And, for people who are pro-life, it is considered far better to marry right away and raise the child than abort the child and have a respectable wedding later.

--
If you want to discuss character, then let's at least use some relevant comparisons.

Ch
October 1, 2008 10:58 AM

"There wasn't a serious, probing question about what vice presidents actually do."

Should he have asked: Sarah, are you prepared to memorize the oath of office so you will be ready to swear in new Senators on day one?


I for one think there's much virtue to a President largely uninterested in foreign affairs. 100% of America's problems in the world are due to America's unnecessary meddling. Sure, it's not as good as if there were a candidate who said Europe and Japan should be able to defend themselves or something like that, but not caring seems to be a start.

Rufus Thomas
October 1, 2008 11:00 AM

Biden's rejoinder can be this:

"Well, Governor Palin, did you realize that Reverend Lightworker is *black*?"

"I mean, but, he's only ... *half* black ... so don't worry ... and he went to *Harvard.*"

"So he's really *articulate.*"

" And he's just so ... so ... I mean ... gosh-darnit ... he's just so ... *clean!*"

Daniel
October 1, 2008 11:03 AM

The comments about what a tough, great moderator Gwen Ifill will make are actually kind of hilarious in light of the fact that she's coming out with a fawning book in January about the "Age of Obama" - let's imagine for a moment this were a "moderator" who was preparing to release a fawning book about McCain. How well would that fly?

The McCain camp agreed to Ifill because she has a reputation for being exacting and fair. Anyone who has paid a bit of attention would know that Ifill has great integrity as a journalist. No one know what the Obama books says. The title, alone, doesn't mean that it won't be balanced or even critical.

After the death of Tim Russert, I recall being impressed with a clip that was shown over and over again of Ifill confronting Russert--her mentor and friend--about his willingness to tolerate Don Imus and go on his show. This was the guy who brought Ifill into TV and really made her career. She didn't do it to embarrass Russert, but in a demonstration of her basic integrity as a journalist.

John in Dallas
October 1, 2008 11:04 AM

Bob C.,

I am not cynical; I am looking at the facts.

Obama's own words: ""The first thing I'd do as president is sign the Freedom of Choice Act."

Per lifenews.com:
"FOCA is usually reported as “codifying Roe v. Wade,” but it is much more... Advocates and opponents of FOCA all agree that the bill would nullify every legal limit on abortion, state, federal or otherwise. Americans United for Life, as well as the Family Research Council, explain this fact in great detail. Abortion advocates who want FOCA concur: NOW, NARAL, Planned Parenthood, and FOCA sponsor Senator Barbara Boxer all contend that FOCA will strike down all state pro-life laws."

Whether or not you like a VP candidate is a pretty small concern next to this.

hysterics
October 1, 2008 11:13 AM

"Rod,

I love your blog, but I really think it's time to hold your nose, vote for McCain, and stop worrying about Palin.

This election is about Supreme Court justices."

this is completely insane. this election is not about supreme court justices. it's about electing the president of the united states of america, the executive of the united states. the president has many duties, you know, besides *nominating* (not installing) SCOTUS justices.

the man who will be president next january will have to deal with two active wars, an economy teetering on the brink of implosion, massive socio-political changes around the world (think china and india rising, fast), various social issues at home (ranging from the cost of healthcare to rebuilding and upgrading crumbling infrastructure), a resurgent and aggressive russia, serious environmental issues, and on and on and on. oh yeah - and a little group of really nice guys called al qaeda. *nominating* a SCOTUS justice, something a president might get to do a couple times in a term or two, while of importance, is pretty far down the list of things which a president must be trusted to deal with day to day, month to month, or even year to year.

it just isn't that critical. and i have news for you - even if mccain wins, he just gets to *nominate* judge borliato, hater of the katz v. united states, for SCOTUS. the democrats will retain control of the senate, the body that actually confirms federal judiciary appointments. judge borliato or whomever will not get through that group easily. further, and i know this is unpopular among conservatives today because it isn't very joe-six-pack-y (i.e. smugly mediocre and uncurious), but i bothered to learn about law in my life in the real way, what with evil book lernin' at law school, and i can tell you that MOST people who haven't been through such not only don't understand law, but don't understand how appellate courts, especially one like SCOTUS, work. SCOTUS will, in all likelihood, NOT reverse roe, the single-minded grail of what has become the entire conservative movement, even if more conservative justices are on the court. they'll chip away at it slowly, returning the issue to the states (all reversal of roe achieves) piecemeal. the states will then have their own battles on the issue. there is a judicial principle called stare decisis, which basically means that courts are very uncomfortable with changing legal precedent one way and then another willy-nilly over a short period of time, because it causes instability and uncertainty over what the state of the law will continue to be in the near future. big precedential changes, especially those affecting constitutional rights, tend to bemade slowly, over the course of multiple opinions and years, by SCOTUS. so you probably won't ever see a full reversal of roe or for that matter griswold.

the truth is, bitter rightwingers, you need to reevaluate you priorities. there are more important things than roe v. wade, i am sorry to say. there are more important reasons for one to decide whether he or she will vote for a presidential candidate than hating abortion. you need to deal with this because, again i am sorry to report, you will NEVER get what you want. americans have supported some measure or another reproductive freedom for decades, even since before roe, and a very noisy, self-righteous, single-minded, and willfully ignorant minority of the electorate will not be allowed to force its religious beliefs on the rest of us. that will never happen.

think about it - the above poster wants republicans and everyone else to ignore the stunning, incredible weaknesses in the mccain/palin ticket and the frightening inconsistencies of mccain's views, and for what? mccain (or as likely pres. palin) getting to *nominate* one or two people that he/she won't get appointed anyway over the next 8 years? and ignore everything else?

the republican party is done for. the stupids have won out completely.

Reaganite in NYC
October 1, 2008 11:18 AM

Daniel: "The McCain camp agreed to Ifill because she has a reputation for being exacting and fair. Anyone who has paid a bit of attention would know that Ifill has great integrity as a journalist."


Actually, Daniel, the wire services are reporting that the McCain camp was NOT aware until now that Ifill is writing the book about Obama, which is due out on 1/20/09, Inauguration Day. Whatever they may have agreed to before did not factor in this new revelation.

Whatever Gwen Ifill's reputation is, this revelation and her determination to moderate Thursday's debate has soiled it.

Imagine if it had come out early last week that Jim Lehrer was writing a book, set to be published on 1/20/09, with the title: "The Triumph of Character over False Hope: The Rise of John McCain in American Politics." The outcry would have been deafening and Lehrer would have been removed as moderator of last Friday's debate.

Daniel
October 1, 2008 11:23 AM

Whatever Gwen Ifill's reputation is, this revelation and her determination to moderate Thursday's debate has soiled it.

Absolutely and utterly absurd. Do you know what the book says? Has anyone read the book? Does anyone know whether it is really a pro-Obama screed as compared to an analysis of the election, warts and all?

This is trumped up, right-wing drama. This isn't a Wasilla book banning and burning. Don't we owe it to Ifill to actually read the book before we decide whether she has some bias that prevents her from doing her job as a fair and impartial moderator?

don
October 1, 2008 11:27 AM

John in Dallas, you're making an excellent point. If Obama becomes president, the VP issue will fade into the background on Day One.

Obama will begin bringing in all the radical-Left people into his cabinet, into the hundreds of White House staff positions. Federal funding for abortions will begin immediately - creating a huge harvest of dead babies, whose corpses will be sold to the embryonic stem-cell researchers (who will also begin receiving federal research funds).

Then he will appoint hundreds of leftist judges over the space of four years, ensuring that what the Left doesn't win in Congress, they'll win in court cases. They'll allow people to own guns, but make it almost impossible to buy ammunition. Want to homeschool your kids, or send them to a non-factory charter school using a voucher? Good luck. Want every personal and business activity regulated by carbon taxes, carbon police? Just wait, that's coming too.

Let's not forget the 2-3 Supreme Court justices who've been hanging on for 8 years of Bush, waiting him out in order to retire under a Democrat president. Obama will appoint far-left judges to the Supreme Court, so the Court will strike down every citizen- or state-led protest to the Left agenda that will be rammed down the nation's throat by a far-Left president and congress.

The ultimate goal in trashing Palin is to ensure Obama's election - it has nothing to do with whether she's qualified for VP, else there'd be a legitimate debate about whether Biden is qualified.

Nick the Greek
October 1, 2008 11:29 AM

Anonymous: "It turns out that Gwen Ifill has published a book, "The Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama," that is set to published on January 20, 2009 -- the day she expects Mr. Obama to be inaugurated President. It's already up on amazon.com

Ms. Ifill probably wonders how far fewer copies of her book she'll sell if, contrary to expectations, McCain/Palin win the election."

Unless her publishers do something underhanded, like change the subtitle prior to publication.

jack
October 1, 2008 11:31 AM

Don, yours is the kind of classic rightwing paranoia that has made me run from the conservative movement.

Houghton
October 1, 2008 11:34 AM

I just watched this clip of Palin that Andrew Sullivan is mercilessly flogging, wherein she is "incapable" of naming news sources she reads. You know what? I think she didn't answer the question directly because she sensed it was another gotcha moment for Couric. If she had said "The New York Times," Couric would have followed that with, "Well, what was on the front page today?" Then when Palin drew a blank (after having read dozens of newspapers in the clipbook format compiled by campaign staffers that morning) it would have been another trap. If she had said, "The National Review" or "The Weekly Standard" Couric would have followed up with exposition about "far right" publications. If she had said "USA Today," Couric would have followed up with a sound bite from a journalism professor deriding the "consumer" quality of that newspaper. See how that works? A thousand traps. A simple blanket answer avoided all of them and did not reflect any lack of interest in magazines or newspapers.

hysterics
October 1, 2008 11:34 AM

the below proves my point - the stupids have won out in the republican party. what fantasies! the right wing's electoral tactic of trashing the judiciary, something even guys like scalia and the late rehnquist have mentioned unfavorably in the past few years, will reap a fould harvest when it's all said and done. by the way, "don", i sincerely doubt SCOTUS will outlaw ammunition. ditto for home-schooling. vouchers are a more complicated issue, not that you understand or care. "radical-Left" = anyone who isn't hardcore right wing. what a pathetic state this nation is in these days when an entire political party is reduced to such vapid screeching as this.

"Obama will begin bringing in all the radical-Left people into his cabinet, into the hundreds of White House staff positions. Federal funding for abortions will begin immediately - creating a huge harvest of dead babies, whose corpses will be sold to the embryonic stem-cell researchers (who will also begin receiving federal research funds).

Then he will appoint hundreds of leftist judges over the space of four years, ensuring that what the Left doesn't win in Congress, they'll win in court cases. They'll allow people to own guns, but make it almost impossible to buy ammunition. Want to homeschool your kids, or send them to a non-factory charter school using a voucher? Good luck. Want every personal and business activity regulated by carbon taxes, carbon police? Just wait, that's coming too.

Let's not forget the 2-3 Supreme Court justices who've been hanging on for 8 years of Bush, waiting him out in order to retire under a Democrat president. Obama will appoint far-left judges to the Supreme Court, so the Court will strike down every citizen- or state-led protest to the Left agenda that will be rammed down the nation's throat by a far-Left president and congress."

Charles Cosimano
October 1, 2008 11:39 AM

The election was about the Supreme Court and foreign policy until two weeks ago. Now it is about the economy, the economy, the economy and Obama is going to win that argument.

McCain is sinking in the polls now to the extent that even the Bradley Effect may not be enough to save him.

John in Dallas
October 1, 2008 11:49 AM

Interesting, a person who calls himself/herself "Hysterics" has now decided that I am both bitter and stupid based on an elemental concern about our country protecting innocent human life.

It is society's duty to protect innocent human life - that it is not an imposition of religious ferver, that is a fact.

Vern
October 1, 2008 12:01 PM

Face it, Rod, you think government is the answer, that it dictates our lives and futures. You cannot square that with conservatism.

The real agents of change, progress and security in this world are not elected. Business and labor drive the economy, generals and soldiers win the wars, scientists protect the environment, engineers build the roads, people's daily choices drive society.

Elected officials are nothing more than our representatives. Their job is to listen to the experts and try their best to ask the questions we would ask, and to make the decision that most of us would make if we only had the time to be there to do it ourselves.

Linda
October 1, 2008 12:14 PM

Wake up, social conservatives, Republican Supreme Court picks will lean towards judges who favor eminent domain, rights for corporations over workers, and a unitary executive branch of government--i.e. a president who decides when and where to go to war, without the approval of Congress.

The last thing they really want are judges who will overturn Roe v. Wade. The only card Republicans have left is the ever-looming threat of abortion, which they can bring up every time they need your vote, then forget once they're back in office.

Linda
October 1, 2008 12:26 PM

By the way, the question about reading material is not "gotcha" journalism, it's an honest ice-breaker type question that every reporter asks the politicians, whether they're from CBS News or Glamour Magazine. It's not a quiz about what's on the front page of any given paper, it's a common, "softball" question, and Palin came off sounding terse and defensive. If she wanted a dodge, she could have said something like, "Y'know, I have to read so many serious policy reports on the job that I just like to curl up at the end of a long day with Field and Stream." Her "all of them" response sounded like she doesn't read "any of them."

Anduril
October 1, 2008 12:28 PM

even if mccain wins, he just gets to *nominate* judge borliato, hater of the katz v. united states, for SCOTUS. the democrats will retain control of the senate, the body that actually confirms federal judiciary appointments.

Yeah, "it's about the judges" is no argument at all, even supposing McCain actually cares enough to nominate a judge who might provide the 5th vote to overturning Roe, paticularly since the Democrats are likely to increase their number of Senate seats.

This is trumped up, right-wing drama. This isn't a Wasilla book banning and burning.

Book burning? Is that trumped up, left wing drama?

hysterics
October 1, 2008 12:40 PM

"Interesting, a person who calls himself/herself "Hysterics" has now decided that I am both bitter and stupid based on an elemental concern about our country protecting innocent human life.

It is society's duty to protect innocent human life - that it is not an imposition of religious ferver, that is a fact."

john i have little regard for your decision making process because, any way you cut it and regardless of your views on abortion, this election is most demonstrably NOT about SCOTUS appointments. that is definitely one issue, but far from this biggest one. choosing one cadidate or the other based on that's candidates propensity to nominate judges of one ideological stripe or judicial philosophy or another is ridiculous.

John in Dallas
October 1, 2008 12:57 PM

"john i have little regard for your decision making process..."

Yes, Hysterics. I think that goes without saying.

hysterics
October 1, 2008 1:06 PM

well, gee, john, if you have any substance whatsoever, you might start by responding to my point that your argument that the entire reason to vote for mccain at this point, even if it requires one to "hold his nose" is judicial appointments is pretty foolish because (1) there are simply more important issues, and (2) judicial nominees routed through the confirmation process will not get you your desired result anyway.

anything at all? besides screeching about abortion (and not judicial appointment mania based on said screeching)?

Anonymous
October 1, 2008 1:08 PM

Despite their denial to Greta, I wonder if the McCain campaign really did know of Gwen Ifill's book, but decided to wait until today to let the fact become a headline to shake up Gwen just before the debate - while planning on showing their magnanimity by letting the debate go on as planned?

John in Dallas
October 1, 2008 1:25 PM

Screeching? Really?

Peace to you, Hysterics.

Anonymous
October 1, 2008 2:41 PM

Anonymous (1:08 PM): Either that or they're getting their excuses ready in case the debate turns out to be as big a train wreck as some fear. For some Republicans, all that stuff about personal responsibility only applies to those outside the tribe.

Nick the Greek
October 1, 2008 3:18 PM

Sorry, the 2.41 PM post above was me.

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