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News of the transgendered

Tuesday October 21, 2008

Categories: Sexuality
So, this sportswriter for the LA Times, Mike Penner, wrote a column a year or so ago saying that he was becoming a woman named Christine Daniels ... except now, without explanation, the Times says that Mike Penner is rejoining...
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unenlightened person
October 21, 2008 10:15 PM

Does that mean they put his Adam's Apple back in?

JPL
October 21, 2008 10:58 PM

I guess he just went off half-cocked. :)

michael
October 21, 2008 11:53 PM

I read the LA Times daily. They made such a big deal about this at the time. Ms Daniels continued to write columns (even an op-ed attacking a gay rights law that didn't include trans-gens in its scope), but now that you mention it, lately I have not seen of 'her' columns. Maybe the operation didn't take.

michael
October 22, 2008 12:05 AM

P.S.: Wikipedia reports that "Penner is married to fellow LAT sportswriter Lisa Dillman". Well perhaps he went back to being a man to strike a blow for traditional marriage!

NewEnglander
October 22, 2008 12:11 AM

Cock-a-doodle-doo?

That's punny!

As a male homosexual I cannot say that I have any particular understanding of transexualism. I don't believe it has anything to do with homosexuality. I can say that I can't imagine any male homosexual who would want to part with his manhood. But I can say that I also respect the feelings of those people (there are women, too) who feel otherwise.

I'm sure that there must be some pronouncement from Catholic moral theology that tells us that the implementation of transexualism is in fact a grave mortal sin worthy of, um, eternal punishment in the burning flames of Hell!

Perhaps someone on this blog can enlighten us? Erin Manning? Can you help us out here?

Patrick Thornton
October 22, 2008 12:42 AM

New Englander,

Yes, the Church teaches against the intentional mutilation of the human body. Men and women are created as persons, so destroying the body is highly problematic. The Church also teaches that other forms of intentional mutilation and abuse of the body are wrong, like drug use, abuse of alcohol, self-mutilation, etc. It's consistent and make sense.

rombald
October 22, 2008 2:14 AM

Patrick Thornton: What about piercings, tattoos, and plastic surgery? Or shaving, for that matter? I'm not being argumentative for its own sake - I think all these things are pretty weird - I'm just interested in what the Church says.

Charles Cosimano
October 22, 2008 2:45 AM

I've known a number of transgendered people in my time (if you haven't figured out that I have strange friends by now...) and it still makes no sense to me, but it seems to make a great deal of sense to them.

rombald
October 22, 2008 3:04 AM

The transgender issue is, to tell the truth, not something I spend a lot of time thinking about (LOL), but my gut-feeling is that it's linked to strict ideas about gender roles. I feel that there would be less demand for the operations if it was more acceptable for men and women to be more "feminine" or "masculine", respectively. I haven't any figures, but I hear most about these operations in countries that have extreme perceptions of masculinity and femininity, such as Spain and Thailand. I also read that they are more-or-less compulsory in Iran, in order to convert male homosexuals into "women", and thus to meet Sharia law (sounds bizarre, I know).

I've had a couple of M to F transsexuals as acquaintances, and they both had ludicrously exaggerated ideas about femininity - tottering around on high heels, wearing frilly lace, and so on. I must say, though, that hyper-feminine women get on my nerves generally, so this might all be a purely personal prejudice.

Roland de Chanson
October 22, 2008 8:03 AM

I worked with a guy who "converted". He was a ugly guy and when his metamorphosis was complete, he was a very ugly woman. Before the surgery, he had to, on his therapist's orders, go around and tell everyone what he was going to do. I tried to appear sophisticated but I think I winced when he describe what was to take place.

Archbishop Ray Burke, the former would-be robber baron of St. Louis, now on permanent Roman holiday, actually consecrated a transsexual as a nun. Maybe the guy just had an Origen complex.

A furore mohelorum libera nos, Domine.

Daniel
October 22, 2008 8:25 AM

Many transgender people do not have surgery, instead taking hormones to alter their physical appearance.

Bruce G
October 22, 2008 10:39 AM

I feel that there would be less demand for the operations if it was more acceptable for men and women to be more "feminine" or "masculine", respectively.

Seems to me there's already quite a bit of latitude in Western society for that without surgery.

Insane Kitten
October 22, 2008 11:36 AM

Still no word, however, on when renowned drag queen "Ann" Coulter will be completing the M-F transition.

Elizabeth Anne
October 22, 2008 11:37 AM

The only way I can make sense of it is biologically. And it does now appear that there's a physical basis for transgendered folks thinking they're in the wrong body: I guess if the brain gets the wrong wash of hormones in utero it will, in fact, develop as the "wrong" gender.

Bruce - there's quite a bit of lattitude there, but it's still pretty darn strict.

Liz
October 22, 2008 11:46 AM
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200811/transgender-children

There's a really heartrending story by Hanna Rosin in the latest "Atlantic" (linked above) about transgender children, not at all cheerleading the biological approach that is gaining ascendancy in the movement. Very sad.

Linda
October 22, 2008 12:12 PM

Uh-oh, a rooster. Well, that's too bad. That happened to your associate at the paper, and she can probably direct you to the "trade-out" system amongst the backyard chicken set, where you can barter your rooster for something you want. Let us know how it works out!

Annie
October 22, 2008 12:38 PM

But not in the way you might think. There is so much misunderstanding and hate leveled at people born with the transgender birth defect, that trying to transition in public without horrific backlash is near impossible.

There have been many studies that prove that being transgender is indeed medically based. Just like people are born intersex, it's just a misfire of hormones in utero.

As the spouse of a transgendered woman, I speak from experience. People are cruel. The suicide rate of transsexuals is high enough without snarky comments everywhere you turn.

Simpson Snail
October 22, 2008 2:49 PM

Rod, when some of our chicks grew up to be roosters, we sold them on an online bird auction site. You can't sell live animals on eBay, but you can send birds via U.S. mail. You just have to have a special box and send them overnight only. It's pretty funny when you are standing in line at the post office and your box starts crowing!

Jason
October 22, 2008 4:03 PM

I have heard that the occasional hen will crow. One time, I was behind someone in line at the post office who was mailing a pollo to Mexico.

Broca
October 22, 2008 7:27 PM

Just finished reading the Honna Rosin artile - that's so appalling. My DH at age 8-9 probably would have been classified as having gender-dysphoria, and I shudder to think what would have happened to him if he'd been born a few decades later.

Zoe Brain
October 22, 2008 8:51 PM
http://aebrain.blogspot.com

Not every transition attempt is successful. Sometimes it takes several goes, this kind of thing is *difficult*. And sometimes, rarely, it's not right for the person either.

Here's what transition entails.

First, an assessment by a psych to make sure you're not bonkers, and to give a formal diagnosis of the problem. This weeds out the deluded, and makes sure there's a gender problem. If the patient is crackers, they can't give informed consent for hormonal or surgical treatment. Yes, they have to prove they're sane.

Then, after at least 3 months of this (sometimes years), the psych has to give formal written authorisation for hormonal treatment. A man who takes female hormones will freak out (impotence being one of the initial effects), a transsexual woman will feel great relief. Again, this weeds out those whose problems are not severe enough to require a full transition.

Then, when the patient feels ready, the start of the "Real Life Experience", a period of at least a year, often much longer, where the patient publicly lives as the target gender, despite not having had surgery. This doesn't so much separate the boys from the girls, as separate the survivors from the rest.

The idea is twofold: first, to make really, really, really sure with no doubt that transition is the right thing. And second, even if it *is* the right thing, to make sure that the patient has the psychic strength to endure the verbal and physical assaults that will usually happen to older transitioners. Oh yes, just to make things harder, you have to maintain employment too, or the clock is set to zero again.

There are interesting legal issues in some jurisdictions, especially for women. Presenting as female, while still with a mostly-male body can cause arrest and imprisonment, even though it's a part of the treatment required by the AMA through the specialist organisation WPATH (World Professional Association for Transgender Health). Being raped is all too common too, TS women often lack the training other women receive from girlhood in avoiding risks.

I think 3 women have been murdered when in the RLE in the last 3 months.

Only then, when the patient can demonstrate and document success in life while living in the target gender, can they get through the next hurdle - a letter from a psych, plus a peer-review by a PhD gender specialist who will sign yet another letter authorizing surgery.

Many genuinely TS women don't make it at the first attempt - but conversely, there are some people whose gender identity is still consolidating who find out that although uncomfortable in one sex, they're uncomfortable as the other too, so "revert to backup". The neurological problems - "man's brain in woman's body" - have degrees, it's not always a binary situation.

I have no idea if Mike is just regrouping for another attempt in a year, or a decade, or has found out that transition isn't for him. The latter way has less complication, but is no easier, and requires just as much courage, if not more.

BTW I transitioned, so I know what I'm talking about (for once).

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