Crunchy Con

Patriotic drunk rednecks

Thursday October 2, 2008

Categories: Culture
This is a priceless bit of Americana (though sensitivos be warned: the n-word crops up once). Here are bibulous and dentally deprived Kentucky supporters of Hillary Clinton warning their countrymen against voting for Obama, on national security grounds. One thing's...
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Scott Walker
October 2, 2008 11:42 AM

Oh dear God. I'm not sure what this signifies, though. Surely there are plenty of incoherent drunkards expressing every point of view. Except, maybe, that of Alcoholics Anonymous.

EddieInCA
October 2, 2008 11:47 AM

Wow.

Rod Dreher
October 2, 2008 11:47 AM

Well, I hope you can see why I take an Ignatian (as in Reilly, not Loyola) approach to life. I am not really appalled at this, just very amused at the human condition. I wish somebody would post a video of drunken Upper East Side WASPs nattering on about politics. We could post a whole collection of them under the title, "In Praise of Folly."

Anonymous
October 2, 2008 11:49 AM

I get so many good leads from your blog, I love reading it. But I am tempted to sins against charity so much already. Is there any way to flag or color code the threads where you make fun of people so I can try to make myself avoid them?

polistra
October 2, 2008 11:54 AM

How do we know she's not right? BHO was born a Mohammedan and began his schooling as a Mohammedan. He claims to have converted to Christianity, but if he did, where are the fatwas? The imams don't worry about every average Abdul who turns apostate, but they are very conscientious about issuing fatwas for important men.

People in Mohammedan countries, who presumably understand the principles of their religion better than we do, uniformly believe that BHO is one of their own.

Our media simply refuse to ask the question, instead taking the idiotic position that we should believe what each candidate says. Well, if we're going to do it that way, then we should take BHO at his word when he mentions "my Muslim faith."

Anonymous
October 2, 2008 11:56 AM

Hey, they are salt-of-the-earth, Joe six-pack (well six-case, maybe), real Americans!

Tom S
October 2, 2008 11:58 AM

Hey, they are salt-of-the-earth, Joe six-pack (well six-case, maybe), real Americans! They can't remember which newspapers they read, and don't need to know about Supreme Court cases.

Anonymous
October 2, 2008 12:00 PM

I nominate the woman in the video for vice-president. She talks more coherently than Palin.

sally rogers
October 2, 2008 12:15 PM

How is this different from going to a mental hospital and laughing at the funny things that mentally ill people do? This poor woman is laboring under some problem that has robbed her of her dignity. Holding her up to ridicule is horrible. What if she were your sister?

Matt K
October 2, 2008 12:29 PM

Please tell me this is some piece of performance art or something... its too crazy to be true.

Anonymous
October 2, 2008 12:34 PM

If she were my sister I would call the men in white coats.

sally rogers
October 2, 2008 12:45 PM

Oh yes, 12:34, ha-ha. Because mental illness in a family member is so very funny. Showing this tape is disgraceful.

Turmarion
October 2, 2008 12:55 PM

polistra: Puh-leeze. More than 'nuff said.

Scott Walker
October 2, 2008 12:56 PM

Sally, the lady in question may or may not be mentally ill. Having had lots of experience with the drunken and the ignorant, I would guess that drunkenness and ignorance are sufficient to explain the behavior of the lady in question as well as that of her snaggle-toothed friends. One chooses to be drunk. (I know. Thirteen years of sobriety here.) One chooses, as well, to remain ignorant. I'm not sure why it is disgraceful to point a camera at a fool being foolish. If nothing else, it's a cautionary tale. For the children.

Alex Stone-Tharp
October 2, 2008 1:15 PM

To polistra:

The word you're looking for is "Muslim" not "Mohammedan". Whether you think highly of Islam or consider it a dire threat, there's no reason to pick a deliberately insult when referring to its adherents. If I were, as a hypothetical, to heavily criticize the Catholic Church, there would still be no call for me to call its members "Papists" rather than "Catholics" unless I intended merely to show my own bigotry.

And how do you know that Muslims (all billion plus of them) uniformly agree that Obama is an apostate? I've seen plenty attempts here in the U.S. by some on the right to claim that Islamic leaders will consider him one, but no sign of Muslim leaders expressing outrage. There's also Juan Cole's rebuttal of the claim that various versions of Islamic law would find him to be an apostate.

I'm an Obama supporter. Nonetheless, I can imagine quite a few reasons why Muslim nations might have problems with him as U.S. President or why he might fail to improve U.S. foreign image as substantially as he claims he can. Most of them relate to his aggressively pro-Israel rhetoric and willingness to leave military action against Iran open as a course of action.

But this apostasy stuff? Please.

sally rogers
October 2, 2008 1:17 PM

Scott,

If she were your sister, I don't believe you would want her image in such a diminshed state posted on a national web site, even if it were for the laudatory purpose of saying "don't let this happen to you." And that laudatory purpose is not the point of this post anyway - it is to ridicule someone with a serious problem.

I only watched a few seconds of this video, but I did note that there was one of her male friends who tried to put his hand up to shield the woman's face. He had the sense, even in his drunken state, to know that it's wrong to hold up the woman's sad state to display. Sometimes averting one's eyes is an act of charity and a duty.

Anonymous
October 2, 2008 1:22 PM

Oh my, I actually know plenty of people who act and talk just like that, no alcohol or mental illness involved. Slightly different regional accent though.

Anonymous
October 2, 2008 1:42 PM

Oh for the love of God, sally, lighten up.
And the male friend who put his hand up - I don't think it was chivalry, I think it was a drunken buddy having fun.

Rufus Thomas
October 2, 2008 1:47 PM

Rod,

I'm starting to wonder if I should have apologized to you for insinuating that you are trying to suck up to your peers (your "betters") in the left-liberal media establishment, for insinuating that you are trying to apologize to them for having initially refrained from joining in their gang-bang of Sarah Palin.

You clearly seem to be attempting some sort of Andrew-Sullivan-style ideological realignment or rather rebranding of yourself.

It's not becoming and it's making this site less and less worth while by the day.

I suppose that next you'll be posting clips of malt-liquor-swilling, baggy-panted, crackheaded, baby-daddies on the South Side who are voting for the Reverend.

Then again, on second thought, no, I don't think you will.

Shame on you.

You know better than this.

Rawlins Gilliland
October 2, 2008 2:28 PM

I recall in the 80s the woman across the street. 20 something/30ish maybe. Beaten nightly by her white-trash husband. Two kids shoeless 24-7, clearly neglected and abused as well. Her bondo-ed bomb of a car had a 'Women For Reagan' bumper sticker on it. I asked her if she thougth Nancy Reagan would even talk to her. She said she didn't want to 'be identified with low class types' so she voted for Reagan because he seemed like he's the kind of old man who'd 'hug me but not touch my privates'. True story.

Now back to 'Joe Six Pack' and Sarah Palin

James P.
October 2, 2008 2:29 PM

UPDATE: Note well, though, that it wasn't the Patriotic Drunk Rednecks that caused the looming economic catastrophe...


Slow down, there, Rod. They might be overextended on that four-wheeler and about to get a midnight visit from ATV repo man. IJS.

Now that I've made that half-way crack, the question here is "Is it ok to put up the impoverished and ignorant for ridicule?" Under what circumstances is it OK to hold up someone for ridicule? I'm not entirely sure, but I say that anyone from Kentucky is fair game.

Lisa P.
October 2, 2008 2:46 PM

"Under what circumstances is it OK to hold up someone for ridicule?"

Well, I'd imagine never. But if you have to have an exception to the rule, I'd say people who are knowingly and without coercion doing wrong, making fun of them instead of hating them would probably be all right.

If there's no joy in it, just grim self-inflation, it's probably not a good kind of fun. And I'm afraid I don't think ridiculing one "kind" of people to balance ridiculing another "kind" of people makes a right. A good test would be, if you can picture Chesterton doing it, go ahead.

I just know that my conscience tells me I'm doing something very nasty any time I make fun of anyone but myself. Fortunately, that still leaves me with a ton of material.

Lisa P.
October 2, 2008 2:50 PM

Just did a quick google search, apparently this is a video that is used as a viral video -- purposely spread around blogs by a third party that does this for a living.

Anyone can get taken. But, you know, "first bag free" isn't usually something people say about broccoli!

Lisa P.
October 2, 2008 3:13 PM

O.K., my posts are, on second reading, horrifically sanctimonious. I am fond of rednecks, white trash -- I aspire to be more like them. I don't like it when they are mocked, so I got my hackles up. Sorry.

Max Schadenfreude
October 2, 2008 3:18 PM

Well, the guy who kept trying to hide his face didn't appear to be very ignorant of the situation at hand.

Reaganite in NYC
October 2, 2008 3:19 PM

Rod:

I did not bother to click the "start" button and roll the tape. Your description was disturbing enough.

What's happened to you? Why post this? It's nothing short of demeaning. Why are you and many of the posters here make fun of these pitiable people when we should be praying for them?

Does this really belong on a "conservative" blog on a "religious" website?

RD
October 2, 2008 3:33 PM

It's not her state of drunkenness that's embarrassing, it's her ignorance of the facts.
Do you think she has a different opinion of Obama when she's sober?

Rawlins Gilliland
October 2, 2008 3:34 PM

Once again, the irrepressible CC Blog faithful play 'Don't ask / don't tell'; continually selecting which of your posts they will actually view, and which they will instead face ...head tunred sideways... with pursed lip pearl clutching....holding their nose as if you have asked their 14 year old niece to join you for a weekend in Vegas. Holding their breath until you return to your senses.... reciting the 'Reagan Doctrine' (speak no evil about fellow Republicans) in a rhapsodic zombie trance. Hot Tip: Don't hold your breath. This Rod dude is on a roll.

Joe
October 2, 2008 3:41 PM

Well, this was an occasion of sin for me and I fell into it. I watched the video, laughed and mocked. Now I see the evil in my own heart and beg God for forgiveness.

Joe
October 2, 2008 3:47 PM

I wonder what the good is that is achieved by displaying this video. Why is it important to post it and how does this contribute to meaningful, intelligent conversation about our culture?

johnw
October 2, 2008 4:49 PM

I wouldn't be so sure they are drunk. I grew up in an Appalachian county. There were people like these all over the place. They talked like this when they were sober. The way you tell when they’re drunk is they either giggled a lot or threatened to “beat your ass” for no reason. I don’t see how Rod showing this is a problem because the more educated ones thought the same way, but knew better than to say as much to outsiders. This bunch picked up this attitude from their “betters” in town. This is how people in large swaths of Appalachia think and showing the clip informs how the pillars of these communities think!

Charles Cosimano
October 2, 2008 6:03 PM

"Vox populi, vox humbug!" William Tecumsah Sherman.

sally rogers
October 2, 2008 6:42 PM

Thanks for removing that video, Rod.

Here's what Mother Teresa had to say on what our attitude should be toward those who face such problems:

"The fullness of our heart comes in our actions: how I treat the leper, how I treat the dying person, how I treat the homeless. Sometimes it is more difficult to work with street people than with the people in our homes for the dying because the dying are peaceful and waiting; they are ready to go to God. You can touch the sick and believe, or you can touch the leper and believe, that is the body of Christ you are touching, but it is more difficult when these people are drunk or shouting to think that this is Jesus in that distressing disguise. How clean and loving our hands must be to be able to bring compassion to them!"

Rufus Thomas
October 2, 2008 6:51 PM

Rod,

Let me second Sally's thanks for removing the video.

If you hadn't, I was going to have to stop reading the best blog on the web.

And now I don't have to.

You've shown yourself to be a mensch here.

Good for you.

TM
October 2, 2008 8:48 PM

Well, I hope you can see why I take an Ignatian (as in Reilly, not Loyola) approach to life. I am not really appalled at this, just very amused at the human condition. I wish somebody would post a video of drunken Upper East Side WASPs nattering on about politics. We could post a whole collection of them under the title, "In Praise of Folly."

Upper East Side WASP? Do they exist?

Booji Boy
October 3, 2008 7:01 AM

Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.

chigger
October 24, 2008 7:54 PM

ill tell ya what bud ya ant no good ohl boy and when the crap hits the fan you and yours just like ya that ant never fished or hunted a day in ther life will be comein and guess what yaw stole frome us so keep that in mind ya concreate monky!!1

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Rod Dreher is an editorial columnist for the Dallas Morning News, and author of "Crunchy Cons" (Crown Forum), a nonfiction book about conservatives, most of them religious, whose faith and political convictions sometimes put them at odds with mainstream conservatives. The views expressed in this blog are his own.

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