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Sarah Palin killed on SNL

Sunday October 19, 2008

Categories: Republicans
Did y'all see Sarah Palin on SNL last night? She was terrific. Two skits, both worth watching. Here's her cold open. And below is the Palin Rap on "Weekend Update." A real howler. Palin was a great sport:...
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David J. White
October 19, 2008 2:48 PM

I have to agree -- she really was a great sport!

Mere Catholic
October 19, 2008 3:22 PM

That girl's got rhythm!

Insane Kitten
October 19, 2008 3:28 PM

She was a pretty good sport-- they didn't give her much to do though. At least she didn't look like a deer in the headlights the way other "surprise" guests tend to. She's enjoying the ride while it lasts.

mpr
October 19, 2008 3:53 PM

I have trouble finding you on the new setup !Maybe it's me ?

Daniel
October 19, 2008 4:03 PM

She was very funny.

Now let's get her on Meet the Press and she her be serious.

Reaganite in NYC
October 19, 2008 4:14 PM

Daniel: "Now let's get her on Meet the Press ..."

Fine, so long as Joe Biden goes on the Laura Ingraham Show and does an interview with Ms. Ingraham, a former law clerk to Justice Thomas and a funny person to boot. Too bad Tucker Carlson on MSNBC still doesn't have a show there; Carlson interviewing Biden would be quite illuminating, as well.

"Meet the Press" and Tom Brokaw are totally in the tank for Obama and the Democrats. It's nothing personal (Brokaw seems like a nice guy). It's just that Brokaw, et. al. can't help themselves. They're hopelessly liberal and merely pretend to being fair and impartial journalists.

Daniel
October 19, 2008 4:21 PM

Has a vice presidential candidate every gotten to November without sitting down for an interview on one of the Sunday morning talk shows (even on the GOP-house broadcaster, Fox)? It's incomprehensible that someone who is a bad flu season from being president if elected won't sit down for a live interview. It's shocking.

No serious person needs to sit down with Laura Ingraham. She's symbolic of the problems with conservatism

EddieInCA
October 19, 2008 4:32 PM

Daniel
October 19, 2008 4:21 PM

Has a vice presidential candidate every gotten to November without sitting down for an interview on one of the Sunday morning talk shows (even on the GOP-house broadcaster, Fox)? It's incomprehensible that someone who is a bad flu season from being president if elected won't sit down for a live interview. It's shocking.

Yes. Dan Quayle did not do "Meet the Press" in 1988 from the time he was nominated until the election. Subsequent to winning the election as VP, he did appear on MTP. However, I do not know if he appeared on either the CBS or ABC Sunday shows back in 1988 during the campaign.

Daniel
October 19, 2008 4:35 PM

Well, that makes sense.

Rachel
October 19, 2008 4:41 PM

I will miss Fey's impersonation of Palin after the election. I realize making sure SNL has enough material for the next four years is no reason to vote for McCain, but still...

EddieInCA
October 19, 2008 4:43 PM

I'm actually stunned that so many conservatives are comfortable with a VP pick who cannot/will not have a live press conference, with an open mic, before national and/or local reporters.

"Oh, look, over there, Bill Ayers."

Dianne
October 19, 2008 4:45 PM

I agree with Daniel that it's incomprehensible, not to mention ludicrous, that a VP candidate would do no press conferences, no Sunday morning talk shows. She is simply not a serious candidate, IMO, and a huge mistake for which McCain is gonna pay, big time.

But did she kill on SNL? Oh, how she killed. She did great, was a great sport, and it was all hilarious. That, and McCain's and Obama's speeches at the Alfred Smith dinner, brought us some very much needed comic relief and civility this week. Someone I read somewhere said maybe all the debates should be staged like the Al Smith dinner, with good food and wine and comic speeches. Okay, kidding, but maybe it'd be an improvement on the debates as we have them now (yawn).

Wasn't Sarah Palin a TV sportscaster once upon a time? That was probably her true calling, and she should've stuck with it.

Roger
October 19, 2008 4:45 PM

Reaganite wrote:

""Meet the Press" and Tom Brokaw are totally in the tank for Obama and the Democrats. It's nothing personal (Brokaw seems like a nice guy). It's just that Brokaw, et. al. can't help themselves. They're hopelessly liberal and merely pretend to being fair and impartial journalists."

I have a question for you. Are you willfully ignorant, pretending to be ignorant to be contrary, or really truly ignorant? Tom Brokaw a liberal. That's funny. You do know about the discussions about Brokaw moderating the debate -- how people were encouraging the Obama campaign to raise the same stink about Brokaw as McCain made about Gwen Ifill. And to compare a serious news show like Meet the Press with Laura Ingraham. Wow. You really do live in your own little world. Thankfully, that world is now crumbling, hopefully for good.

OT: I'm beginning to think you are not yet 30. Am I right?

Reaganite in NYC
October 19, 2008 4:49 PM

Daniel: "No serious person needs to sit down with Laura Ingraham. She's symbolic of the problems with conservatism".

How so? Would appreciate an explanation. Daniel: Assuming that you're a "conservative" what has Laura Ingraham done or said to earn your contempt? In the event that you're not conservative, would still enjoy your reply.

Damn Cynical
October 19, 2008 4:58 PM

Who'd Two Fools for Sister Sarah kill, Rod?

EddieInCA
October 19, 2008 5:02 PM

Reaganite in NYC
October 19, 2008 4:49 PM

How so? Would appreciate an explanation. Daniel: Assuming that you're a "conservative" what has Laura Ingraham done or said to earn your contempt? In the event that you're not conservative, would still enjoy your reply.

Laura, along with Hugh Hewitt, Michael Medved, and several others, ARE part of the problem with the current crop of "conservatives" in that they care more about the GOP than current conservative principles. These are the people who have been cheerleading Bush, Cheney, Torture, Increased Surveillance on US Citizens, an Unjust War, etc. Laura Ingraham epitomizes the "GOP First" brand of conservatism.

In fact, most conservatives with principle are NOT supporting McCain. They didn't support him when he wasn't the party's nominee, and they're not supporting him now.

You really should read Douthat's piece on the conservative cocoon, or Larison. Schwenkler, Frum, and Ponnuru have been good, too. They all say it much more eloquently than I ever could.

Daniel
October 19, 2008 5:03 PM

Laura Ingraham is harmless, but a lightweight. She's never been substantive, always viewed as something of a conservative "poseur" like Tucker Carlson, who became conservative pundits because they were looking for a schtick, not because they really cared. She's not an entertainer, like Rush, and she's not downright nuts, like Coulter. She's just inconsequential. No one serious need sit down with the likes of her.

Chris
October 19, 2008 5:11 PM

Governor Palin did a fine job. "Killed" is a bit over-the-top, as she delivered what, two jokes? It was hardly a comedy tour-de-force.

But really, does doing well on SNL qualify one for vice-president of the United States? Is this what we've come to as a culture?

elmo
October 19, 2008 5:31 PM

Let's give credit where it's due: Amy Poehler killed. Sarah Palin did just fine.

David J. White
October 19, 2008 5:41 PM

I will miss Fey's impersonation of Palin after the election. I realize making sure SNL has enough material for the next four years is no reason to vote for McCain, but still...

Alas, Tina Fey has said that, regardless of the outcome of the election, she will stop doing Palin after the election.

It's probably just as well. They would probably try to have her do it about every other week, and we would all get tired of it. That's one of the problems with SNL and other comedy shows: they don't seem to understand that sometimes less is more. Dana Carvey's Church Lady and John Lovitz's Pathological Liar are two examples of shticks that were funny but were just driven into the ground by overexposure. Even Dana Carvey's funny impression of Bush Sr. got a bit old after awhile.

iftheshoefits
October 19, 2008 6:08 PM

"Wasn't Sarah Palin a TV sportscaster once upon a time? That was probably her true calling, and she should've stuck with it."

80% or so of the citizens that have had her as a governor seem to think she's done quite well at that, so it seems you're in a rather tiny minority on that point...

The real reason for sticking with the sportcaster thing would have been to spare the inconvenience of her getting in the way of the Obama coronation, No? Sorry for that.

Damn Cynical
October 19, 2008 6:18 PM

Laura Ingraham is a leopard-print skirt on the cover of The New York Times Magazine, circa 1995/6, who could never hold on to a man and then creatively acquired a child from another country.

Julana
October 19, 2008 6:45 PM

She was a good sport....

Your Name
October 19, 2008 6:50 PM

Your link to American Scene goes to Catholic and Engjoying It.

cb
October 19, 2008 7:01 PM

EddieinCA and Daniel, your notion that a candidate's appearing before "serious journalists" in order to be considered credible needs to be held up to the light. If the elite members of the Fourth Estate really were the fair-minded objective pursuers of the truth you seem to think they are, then I would agree with you a hundred percent. But that's not true now, and it hasn't been true for a long time. Whether you want to admit or not, the members of the elite media are have ceased being impartial agents of truth and have instead become partisans of one political ideology. Instead of referees, the elite media are players in the process - they, as a class, have an interest in the outcome. Is it any wonder then, that candidates who happen to oppose the elite media's preferred ideology are somewhat less than thrilled with the idea of standing before a group of partisans all howling some version of "when did you stop beating your wife"?

Leaving aside the political bias of the elite media, your insistence on Palin subjecting herself to a press conference also assumes that the reporters have some special knowledge or expertise that permits them to ask insightful, in-depth questions. I hate to tell you this but a degree in journalism only qualifies a reporter as knowledgable in one area - journalism. As a rule, most reporters, especially television reporters, know less than nothing about economics, history, foreign affairs, the judiciary, the law, engineering, science, anything. But that doesn't stop them from pontificating to the rest of us (who actually might know a thing or two about those subjects).

If the press were the non-ideological darlings you assume them to be, then by all means Palin should do a news conference (and so should Biden, and Obama, and McCain). But in the real world, where the elite media has shredded all their meager remaining claims to impartiality, demanding a candidate subject herself to such a circus sounds like the partisan tactic it is.

Daniel
October 19, 2008 7:13 PM

"But in the real world, where the elite media has shredded all their meager remaining claims to impartiality, demanding a candidate subject herself to such a circus sounds like the partisan tactic it is."

In the real world, Palin's unfavorables are almost as low as Bush's. The only group she does well with are people on the extreme far right who believe Fox is objective and everyone else is part of a grand, far left conspiracy.

In the real world, the consensus is that Palin has failed to show she's credible and ready for prime time, which means sometimes talking to actual reporters from the mean mainstream media.

armchair pessimist
October 19, 2008 7:22 PM

Every 3rd world thug knows how to play the press, but the Republican Party doesn't. It would do well to study and study again the masterfly way in which the Soviet Regime under Stalin trained Western journalists to sing their tune.

cb
October 19, 2008 7:22 PM

Intersting, Daniel, but not very persuasive. All you did was repeat your original argument. In the real world that's called failing to make a point.

Patrick
October 19, 2008 7:48 PM

Yes, I realize that "killed" means she did well but do you realize how that headline could create misleading impressions? Think first before you write.

Athelstane
October 19, 2008 8:12 PM

Hello Damn Cynical,

Way to take the discussion down into the gutter.

Hello Daniel,

There's reason to feel disappointment in Palin's performance to date - like Ross and Rod do - but as things stand we really don't know a whole lot more about her character and abilities than we did six weeks ago. McCain's campaign has set the rules by which she must play. There's ample room now to disagree with those rules.

She hasn't shown she's fully ready for prime time. On the other hand, she probably has not had a chance to do it, either.

How she came to power in Alaska suggests no small talent and appeal. One could dismiss it as success on a very small parochial stage, and maybe it was. But it's suggestive all the same. With time - gradual growth in high office, and gradual exposure beyond to the issues and rhythms of national politics - she might have made herself into a credible actor on that stage. But McCain plucked her prematurely from relative obscurity as she was and is: potency, perhaps tremendous potency, more than act. And it may be that the potency isn't tremendous after all. But what she's had so far is a rude and abrupt introduction to national politics at its most white-hot intense.

In either case, she certainly was a good sport to do SNL. She could easily have found excuses to demur.

Your Name
October 19, 2008 8:55 PM

I thought she was a good sport to go on, but SNL got over by laughing with her AND at her. Her best line was toward Alec Baldwin-Steven is her favorite!

Damn Cynical
October 19, 2008 9:06 PM

Sarah Palin killed on SNL

Athelstane
October 19, 2008 8:12 PM

Hello Damn Cynical,

Way to take the discussion down into the gutter.

Ath,

I thought, judging by the headline, that Two Fools for Sister Sarah had popped somebody in Lorne Michaels' house. I figured Tina Fey, sort of a case of Mooseburger Revenge or something along those lines.

ann
October 19, 2008 9:53 PM

As a Christian, I was very disappointed to hear that she went on SNL. Something terrible is happening what kind of examples are we setting for the world when we're merging with the world. We can't have it both ways, we can't straddle the fence. We're either for God or we're not.

Rawlins
October 19, 2008 10:10 PM

Reaganite,
Actually, FYI.....it is fairly well known that Tom Brokaw is a McCain man. Just as it was always known that Tim Russert was a Democrat. But he NEVER let that creep into his MTP hour. As many of all stripes said when he was buried.

Meanwhile, since when is Meet The Press suddenly a 'gotcha' trap for any but the Left? Not before or after Russert. Absolutely everyone goes on that show, whatever the party. And have done so for 50 years. It is known for its baptismal equal-opportunity toughness.

None of us do our canddates any favors when we reflexively make excuses for them, 'protecting' them from 'hostile' Big Bad Wolf venues.

Look, I appreciate partisanship and certainly you are a bonafide diehard. But do you ever just relax and reflect and actually take a both-sides objective look before posting? It is inevitably like you are the neighbor's pit bull and your job is to growl when someone's thoughts step on any grass except the designated patch.

In any case, I do not recall you giving much in the way of props to Barack Obama when indeed he appeared on the O'Reilly show. Of all places.

Rawlins
October 19, 2008 10:22 PM

I thought Palin was a very smart good sport. Did just fine. LOOKED great. (In Fact: Hot as a smoldering hibachi in a tundra igloo). But elmo got it right.

Rawlins Gilliland
October 19, 2008 10:44 PM

Meanwhile, before I go to be early...what in the world, Ann... how is SNL suddenly the anti-Christ” I’m trying to keep up here.

In all earnestness, as a good old fashioned Christian myself...what the h__l are you talking about? This is what I mean when I see (and know and hear) so many people characterizing 'Christians' as being the tacitly humorless God police.

To read your post one would think that Palin had gone to an orgy where mead was served while girl scouts did pole dances.

Kevin Divine
October 19, 2008 10:57 PM

As a rule, most reporters, especially television reporters, know less than nothing about economics, history, foreign affairs, the judiciary, the law, engineering, science, anything

Sports. Man, I hate it when the talking hairdos start talking about sports. Even half the actual sports reporters on anything but the serious sports networks seem to know jack diddly about what their talking on..

Lois
October 19, 2008 11:40 PM

She was a prop - same role she plays in the McCain campaign. It is sad that my fellow conservatives are so caught up in the hype that many cannot concede what is more and more obvious: she is not ready.

I could understand the first week when she needed to be brought up to speed, but we are now 7 weeks in and she still needs to have McCain at her side to sit down with Brian Williams this week. Brian freakin' Williams is scary?

Let me remind you - Katie Couric asked her what she read for crying out loud, asked her about the right to privacy which she inexcusably said does exist in the Constitution (so much for strict construction), then a voter asked her about Pakistan - and somehow both equal gotcha journalism by people in the tank for Obama? I mean that wasn't editing - did you see her response to the bailout question? And we still are left with the comment re Putin rearing his head. Please.

She doesn't appear to even understand some of the questions - this is not cute and should not be a quality we adore. McCain has sat down with all the people that we are guarding Palin against - why do we have a VP candidate that the campaign has to sequester? What kind of cult is this party turning into?

As you can all tell, I am over all the excuses and fed up. Enough with the conspiracy theories - I thought that was for leftist wackos - that it's the "editing"; she has not shown any capacity to think about, learn about or communicate about major domestic and international issues. It is not outlandish to come to the conclusion that despite all the potential and all the intense prep, she still is not ready. She isn't.

The bottom line is that Joe the plumber has had more press conferences than Palin. We should not accept this.

Marty
October 20, 2008 12:45 AM

Yeah, I thought she was great on SNL. Her bit with Alec Baldwin was priceless. But I also have to agree with the posters who think that the McCain people are hiding her from the press. McCain isn't scared to go on all the talking head shows or talk to the press. He and Cindy even appeared before those clucking hens on "The View" who gave them a pretty hard time but they stood up for themselves pretty well, I think.

And people keep talking about the "liberal media". But the fact is, that the "liberal" New York Times bought into the Bush Administration's cooked up case for the Iraq War hook, line, and sinker. Especially after 9/11, when the Administration started flushing the Constitution down the toilet in the name of "Keeping us safe" I don't remember any journalists or media types saying much about this. It seemed to be left to people like Ron Paul.

Yeah, I will agree that MSNBC is really pretty much "Elect Obama Central" and Keith Olbermann has totally given up all pretense of impartiality. He is sort of a left wing Rush Limbaugh or even a Michael Savage when he really gets worked up! I know Chris Matthews is in the tank for Obama but he at least tries to get both sides. (Though I do watch MSNBC sometimes to see Morning Joe and my man Pat Buchanan.) But Keith and Rachel Maddow are just left wing editions of "fair and balanced" Fox News, and Fox is only fair to a certain type of conservatives, the neocons, mostly. I am still po'd at Fox for their treatment of Ron Paul during the primaries, most especially his treatment by that idiot Sean Hannity. But what can you expect of a guy who gets into a shouting match with a priest on TV when he supposed to be "Mr. Blue Collar Faithful Catholic"? Now that the economy is going south, though, Ron's on Fox and CNN pretty much every other day, saying "I told you so".

I also have to give Obama creds for apppearing on Bill O'Reilly. I wish Sarah would appear on Larry King even. He's not too harsh on people. Or have a press conference or those Sunday talking head shows. Just something!

I also have no idea what political party Jim Lehrer belongs too. Or Anderson Cooper or Wolf Blitzer. I assume they might be Democrats but you don't know from their reporting.

I was so excited when McCain picked Palin. I was not planning to vote for him but decided to at that time. Now I am having second thoughts. Am not voting for Obama but am about ready to write in Ron Paul or vote for Chuck Baldwin.

I am worried by how out of her depth Sarah seems at simple questions and how she doesn't seem to have thought deeply about some of the serious issues of our time. I mean, she actually said that "we are fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here." I thought that was Sean Hannity's line!!! I would hope that with time she would gain a better depth of knowledge but I'm afraid McCain's advisors have just filled her head with talking points. She does seem to know about energy for example, and how to run a state government, which is no small thing. She is solid on social issues.... but I am starting to have the feeling that she is Dan Quayle in a skirt. Or even, God help us, George Bush in a skirt. Bush is not, actually, an idiot or a stupid man. But I get the feeling that he doesn't really have much curiousity about the world or about people who are not like him and doesn't want to know. I also see in Palin a bit of the idea that thinking deeply and not just repeating talking points is for pointy-headed intellectuals and she is proud not to be one of those. Almost a pride in not knowing anything about the world except "Putin sticking his head in Alaska's airspace." I mean, seriously, Putin is not exactly Mr. Democracy but does anyone really think that's something he is likely to do?

I do like her and wish her well. I think it is totally cool that she hunts and fishes and I like her family (and as far as candidates' spouses go, let's face it, Todd Palin is SMOKIN HOT!)

I don't think she'll get to be VP unless something happens in the next 2 weeks to change McCain's declining fortunes. I hope she does grow in her knowledge of things and I would even like to see her perhaps run for the Senate after her term(s) as Governor of Alaska end. I think perhaps she would have been good as Secretary of Energy in a McCain administration.

The fact is, he sort of "plucked" her too early and it shows. It's too bad, at first I thought even if McCain loses, she could run for prez in 2012 but now I don't think so.

People sometimes say that Reagan wasn't all that sharp or a deep thinker but he had "good instincts" and had the people in place to help him do things and that Palin would be the same if it came to that. Well, I hope so, but I recently read a book of Reagan's speeches and writings, and he was a lot deeper thinker than people gave him credit for. He had a core set of principles and he had done some real digging and thinking about how to achieve them.

One other thing, is all the criticism and even hate from the left any worse than the hate on the right towards Hillary Clinton? I think not.

Daldianus
October 20, 2008 5:24 AM

Colin Powell is right.

It was a very irresponsible, and dumb, decision by McCain to nominate someone so unqualified, and even dangerously naive and limited, like Palin as his vice-president.

Rick
October 20, 2008 8:56 AM

Palin was a good sport. I think the appearance was neutral to mildly beneficial for her and the campaign.

But did everyone notice the line from the rap: "When I say Obama, you say Ayers!" My impression is that the McCain campaign deliberately inserted this line, and really hoped it would take off as a cheer at campaign rallies. But Poehler destroyed its utility, I think, by reciting it in a high-pitched, whiny voice.

Insane Kitten
October 20, 2008 10:24 AM

No Rick, I think it was parodying the McCain campaign's continual harping on the topic, despite the yawns it yields (except for the rabid few.) It was, I think, a ballsy move to do it with Palin right there.

Rick
October 20, 2008 11:09 AM

Kitten,

I've seen a few GOP bloggers almost immediately after the skit predict (and encourage?) that the "Obama: AYERS!" chant be used at Palin rallies. See this from the Anchoress, for example.

It makes me suspect that this line was contributed by the McCain campaign, who I imagine had some input into the writing of the skit.

I could be wrong...but the way Poehler voiced these lines made me think she was registering a protest and was determined that the lines not achieve the viral effect that the McCain campaign wanted and hoped for.


Insane Kitten
October 20, 2008 12:12 PM

Hmmm...maybe, but that's a whole lot of supposition. However the line got in there, it was still funny as delivered and ribbed Palin's campaign tactics with her right there, bobbing to the beat.

EricW
October 20, 2008 4:45 PM

Meanwhile, Alec Baldwin is defending Palin's appearance on the show in a new Huffington Post blog entry, wondering exactly what people expected. An excerpt:

"It's not Meet The Press. It doesn't 'ask the tough questions' or 'set the agenda.' It attempts, with varying degrees of success, to make people laugh. That's it. Whether they skewer and savage people in order to do so, they don't care. When you come on a show like that, you are prepared in advance to get worked over. Palin knew that. Palin came on to be a good sport. And she was. She was polite, gracious. (More so than some of the famous actors who come through there, believe me.)

"However, I assume that, like Meet the Press, SNL feels an obligation to offer their special forum to any and all public figures and officials who are current. Headline making. And in SNL's case, would make for a hit show. Several people decried SNL for giving her a spot on the show. You're kidding, right? The woman is the Vice Presidential nominee of one of the two major parties in this country. Don't put her on SNL? With all of her exposure and the Tina Fey performance? What reality are you in?"

steve in minnesota
October 20, 2008 5:24 PM

I doubt that this idea will get many takers here, but I think Palin is now running for 2012. And I don't me she "will" run, I mean she is running now.

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