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Small-town reverse snobbery

Friday October 3, 2008

Categories: A Sense of Place

Steve Chapman is sick and tired of small-town and rural America being held up as morally superior to urban and suburban America -- where four-fifths of the nation's population lives. He says the numbers bear him out, too.

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Erin Manning
October 5, 2008 6:28 PM

Daniel, I do agree with what you wrote above, for the most part. The problem, as I see it, is that we've set up this strange set of colliding principles, which seem to be as follows:

-People from small towns are not particularly virtuous or exemplary, though they like to think they are.

-People from small towns are often provincial, incurious, and small-minded, even, perhaps especially, when they don't think they are.

-People with elite backgrounds (education, economics, status and so on) should be held up as examples and are eminently qualified for public office; it is wrong to sneer at elitism.

-People with non-elite backgrounds may be good enough examples of qualities like hard work or thrift (or they may not be; it's not automatic) but they are *not* leaders unless they've assimilated the experiences and values of the elite. Otherwise, they're not qualified for public office, and sneering at them is perfectly fine especially when they aspire to move beyond their proper place and mingle unabashedly with their betters.

Before the recent past, I would have said that most readers of Crunchy Cons would have rejected these notions out of hand. But it seems that more people than I would have imagined are perfectly comfortable with these principles, and prefer to believe that the governing class should be made up of members a few select groups of elite people, which seems like an oddly aristocratic, or even oligarchic, notion for a representative democracy to have taken into its collective head.

Anonymous
October 5, 2008 7:00 PM

Before the recent past, I would have said that most readers of Crunchy Cons would have rejected these notions out of hand. But it seems that more people than I would have imagined are perfectly comfortable with these principles, and prefer to believe that the governing class should be made up of members a few select groups of elite people, which seems like an oddly aristocratic, or even oligarchic, notion for a representative democracy to have taken into its collective head.

Posted by: Erin Manning | October 5, 2008 6:28 PM

Erin -

I actually believe that I want someone more educated, more worldly, more intelligent, more experienced than I to be Vice-President. I know a whole lot of "Joe Sixpacks." I don't want ANY of them to be Vice-President. That includes Sarah Palin.

The idea that, in 2008, anyone in this country would be supportive of a Vice-Presidential nominee who had never been out of the country, except for one trip to Kuwait in 2007, is absurd to me.

The idea that, in 2008, with a 24 hour news cycle, anyone would be supportive of a Vice-Presidential nominee who refuses to have a press conference with the national and/or local press, is absurd to me. It's even more absurd when one looks at the previous 8 years of Dick Cheney's secrecy as Vice President.

The idea that, in 2008, with a global economy, two wars, and a financial crisis, anyone would support a Vice-Presidential nominee who has shown no interest in international politics nor global problems, is absurd to me.

So, no. It's not about the fact that she's not traveled or is "worldly". It's that she seems wholly incurious about traveling or the world. The debate performance was a sham - a complete and utter sham. Anyone who can say what she'd do as a VP is lying, because we have no way of knowing. She won't tell us. She won't give out any policy positions. She refuses to answer substantive questions.

ARRRRRGH!!!!!!!

Franklin Evans
October 5, 2008 7:13 PM

Erin, with respect, you come teasingly close to the point and then drift away. That's an assertive way to phrase it, but I hope you get my real intent.

It's our values that are screwed up. It's that we are in competition with the values of others, instead of partaking of the populist notion that a set of skills is appropriate in their context, and there is no fault or blame to the skilled person who finds herself thrust into a context where that skill set is useless.

Allow me to offer a gross example.

Thrust an expert mathematician into a board meeting where decisions are to be made about the next year's production quotas. His advice is useless.

Throw a CEO into a seminar with the goal of properly stating a new hypothesis about quantum mechanics. He'd be better off doing the coffee service for the rest.

Neither the mathematician nor the CEO have anything to feel bad about.

The dividing line in real life is not so easily marked, to be sure. But there is a battle line, one you've noted on countless occasions just as I have, and this is line defined by snobbery.

Small towners don't have the intellectual capacity to govern. Big cityites are too smart for their own or anyone else's good. There is a kernel of truth to both statements, and as premises in the political arena as well as attack points, both are worse than invalid. They are lies.

The following stipulates the stereotypes. My intent is to turn them into constructive entities.

What is true is that a small towner who gathers advisers who complement him in his weaknesses is very smart, and they will be a mixture of those from his sub-culture for common ground and intellectuals who can be counted upon to have integrity and honor in their specialties. A big cityite will seek out and listen carefully to those who had no impact on his upbringing, and have a healthy respect for their life experiences and work expertise where -- while they may not have the vocabularies to match the Harvard grad -- they are true intellectuals with integrity and honor.

Finally, on a personal note: I am an intellectual, I fit the stereotype rather precisely, both in its pejorative sense and in how I wish to recast it. A Sarah Palin can sneer at me all she likes. Her only response will be laughter in her face, and a keen sense of what she will be missing when it comes time to apply her intellect to a situation in which my expertise is what will pull her chestnuts out of the fire.

You can lead a human to knowledge, but you can't make her think. It is true of both sides.

Rawlins Gilliland
October 5, 2008 8:39 PM

A postscript ponderance per this terrific thread and the blogasphere in general:

Speed-reading seems to be the order of the day, and pasting snippets out of context then becomes the posting discussion rebuttal method-du-jour. But in the last two paragraphs of a post I did @ 1:43 there would seem to be a worthwhile point (or two) regarding the virtues and benefits of disparate American worlds and their respect for and relation to each other. Their inherent validity. How marginalizing either BY either is ignorance personified. And why an acquired awareness of how and why either resent each other is necessary. And in my mind clearly impossible without actual firsthand exposure to each by either party.
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That said:
As someone who writes in part for a living, the tendency this year…I and others have noted…is for people to tell me (and others who write) what I said MEANT to say. Not what I wrote meant to them. But literally having a reader (or listener) tell me ‘What your words meant. What you intended to say was clear’.

Well, yes I thought it was clear. But when people begin translating the excerpted clips and analyzing their ‘true meaning’, it begs the question of how anyone can actually communicate responsibly and effectively these days without losing something in a self-involved minefield.

Today, ..not on Rod's blog as much as elsewhere but yes, here too....there is so much raw and angry victimhood right below the surface everywhere one looks, leaping out at the slightest chance to be a tangential ‘point’. Is it, for instance, any surprise then that Governor Palin simply says she is not going to answer the moderator or the question but instead speak to the camera on a chosen topic? This phenom is the budding new America internet quasi A.D.D. talking point of view.

Meanwhile, FYI, this thread was originally about the GLORification of rural small town America. Questioning the excessive idealizing of it's virtues, 'values' and the resultant reverse snobbery that mindset engenders. Not about the mean old academics and Platinum AAdvantage flier who treat rural America like trailer trash Cretans or marginalize urban stay at home moms like mindless dropouts. It was a bookend to the endless praise of, among other things, Palin being ‘real’ and those who have served and studied and learned in urban woodlands being resented as ‘elitist out of touchy’ types.

Somehow this very literate thread has a running thread…literally…(as with much that is post Palin)as a psychological study of angst Palin is currently mining like fool's gold. She’s no fool.

All I can gather is, that when they say 'all politics is local', I add that, to many, all threads ABOUT politics become very personal. What I know is this: this is the most sophisticated readership and comments accordingly that I have found anywhere. Long may that live to be the case.

steve
October 5, 2008 10:46 PM

"Okay, I'm being a bit facetious. But here's the thing: by *casting* things like lack of traveling and lack of Ivy-league creds or sophistication as "shortcomings"'

For someone with writing skills and brights this was bothersome. Who cares if she went to an Ivy League school. It matters not where she gets the knowledge, just that she has it. Lincoln was self-taught. Worked out pretty well. Lincoln had the intellectual curiosity and applied himself. There is no evidence of this with Palin. She talked with McCain initially several months ago. Not traveling? Ok, what has she done to make up for that? When I grew up we always watched the evening news and read the newspaper. After the big Sunday meal all the men sat together and talked sports, local and international politics. Eisenhower was a bum half the time and a genius the other half. Small town southern Indiana.

There may be a small percentage of people who think you need to go to an Ivy league school. Most of us just want someone who is prepared, be that by self prep, local community college, state school or Ivy league.

"-People with elite backgrounds (education, economics, status and so on) should be held up as examples and are eminently qualified for public office; it is wrong to sneer at elitism."

Strawman. You know better.

"-People from small towns are not particularly virtuous or exemplary, though they like to think they are."

Same as everyone. No more or less virtuous than most big city people.

"-People from small towns are often provincial, incurious, and small-minded, even, perhaps especially, when they don't think they are."

Same is true at same rate for big city people.

" But it seems that more people than I would have imagined are perfectly comfortable with these principles, and prefer to believe that the governing class should be made up of members a few select groups of elite people"

Another strawman. Those who govern should be prepared to do so. Isnt hard work a conservative value? If someone wants to hold an office at the national level they need to demonstrate a command of domestic and international issues. It does not matter where they learn, as long as they know their stuff.

Steve

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Rod Dreher is an editorial columnist for the Dallas Morning News, and author of "Crunchy Cons" (Crown Forum), a nonfiction book about conservatives, most of them religious, whose faith and political convictions sometimes put them at odds with mainstream conservatives. The views expressed in this blog are his own.

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