Did you hear my interview with Krista Tippett on "Speaking of Faith"? Judging from my mail, no conservatives listen to the program ... which is too bad, because it's a good show (I listen to it on my iPod). I'm...
Clearly, the first respondent knows exactly what she means by ignorance, having demonstrated it so well.
I had the rare opportunity to listen to almost all of SoF the (early Sunday) morning your interview was broadcast locally. I haven't written to you about it because you were consistent with your written "voice" here, and I felt that you could assume that I would enjoy the broadcast at least as much as I enjoy your blog.
Your blog posts have covered all of the points raised in the broadcast. I urge all readers to spend the time browsing this blog's archives for them.
I do have one personal comment: to my ear, your accent is clear but not intrusive. I've been hearing it when reading your blog ever since, and it has enhanced my enjoyment. ;-)
Irenaeus
October 15, 2008 10:44 AM
http://catholidoxy.blogspot.com
She Who Is Deranged misspelled Birkenstock. Criminal, in my book.
Houghton
October 15, 2008 10:49 AM
Hey Rod, I listened to it. I enjoyed it.
I need to listen to it again in order to comment intelligently, because I confess I was multi-tasking.
I have listened to Tippett's show on occasion, and subscribe to the iTunes version, but don't have time to listen all the time.
One comment: I wish Tippett would have been more willing to acknowledge your remarks about your experience listening to liberals joke about bombing a church. If memory serves, she sort of let you say it and then moved on.
I think it would have served the mostly liberal audience to spend a little more time with that and to perhaps be convicted about what would have led those liberals to joke in that way. A moment of liberal repentance, perhaps, might have occurred.
I agree with Franklin about your accent: it was a great example of how one can hold on to a regional accent without it being overbearing.
Tim Gordon
October 15, 2008 11:43 AM
I enjoyed your interview.
I was surprised how much I would agree with you on so many things.
I don't quite understand why you describe yourself as a Republican; it seems you would have many disagreements with the party.
Aligning ourselves with one of the two opposing camps seems simply to create a lot of unnecessary friction.
It seems to me that useful argument develops out of quietly discussing specifics and not from those emotional generalizations that we often end up resorting to.
One example of this was a reference in a response on this blog to government as a parasite. I know this is currently a popular stance, but it ignores all the things we have achieved through organized government, such roads, sewers, the legal system, police forces, fire brigades, free schools and so on. Isn't it a good thing that we have building codes, child labor laws, and such?
Anyway I found your viewpoint refreshing. Thank you.
hattio
October 15, 2008 12:34 PM
Rod,
Well, not to detract from the amen chorus, but I didn't find the interview all that interesting. Don't get me wrong, if I didn't read here all the time, I probably would have. But I've been a more or less regular reader here since about the time your Crunchy Con book came out. Given that, it didn't seem like you covered any new ground in your interview, though I didn't listen to the whole thing. I'm not saying you're not interesting....just that you're not interesting twice. :)
maryQ
October 15, 2008 12:40 PM
Rod, I'm so sorry that my fellow NPR/SOF listeners had this reaction to your interview. But then again, if you go through the Reflections section of many shows in the archive, you'll see a lot of negativity. I'm kind of thinking I made the wrong choices about my life, since I don't have the time to engage in any voluntary activities, like listening to a radio show, that are so unenjoyable to me as to inspire vitriol.
But I don't think these commenters are representative.
As a centrist liberal, I was going to take you to task for your occasional willingness to beat the partisan drums, but this is trait so many of us share. I understand that you are dedicated to fixing your party, and the day when the GOP looks more like you will be a good day for America. I very much appreciated your attempting to explain one of the central questions of the religious/political divide, which is why abortion is the deal breaker. I still can't quite wrap my head around it, but I did get some insight from your answer. I also learned much from your story of turning to Reagan, which seemed to have set off the first commenter. I'm your age, and I saw and lived those events differently, but I do understand your point, and think it a valid one.
I left the show confused, in a good way, about what "conservative" and "liberal" really mean, in terms of family and community values. I think you may have done what we all tend to do, which is to describe your personal values in political terms. You talk about buying organic and shopping at farmers markets as "conservative", but you did not explain why it is conservative. It may be, and I think we "liberal" locavores and ethical carnivores might even agree with you, but this behavior seems to have nothing to do with the public face of political conservatism. Or liberalism, for that matter.
What is clearer and clearer to me, and your comments fit this narrative, is that we are in the midst of a very dramatic political realignment, and I am not sure where I will end up when it all shakes out. You put an attractive face on conservative ideas, one that we certainly don't see enough of right now. You make arguments for a conservatism that perhaps some current Democrats can embrace. Interestingly, I see Barak Obama as a potential catalyst of the realignment-we may not agree on that, but I suspect he will quickly be forced to deal with harsh and hysterical critics on the left. I see the potential for him to nucleate centrists on both sides of the divide as a contervailing force against the extremists on the right and left who are more interested in the fight than in progress.
But I digress. I thank you for agreeing to open yourself up to the attacks you've received. I found your comments insightful, and both the common ground as well as the important differences between liberal and conservatives were brought into sharper relief.
Fr. J
October 15, 2008 2:03 PM
I enjoyed both the interview with you and the previous week's interview with Amy Sullivan. Both of you have unique perspectives on faith and culture that take you outside of the prevailing orthodoxies in your parties. But I think that what would have been even more interesting would be to hear you and Amy speak to each other. Has there been any consideration of doing a third show where the two of you are in conversation? Particularly about abortion?
David J. White
October 15, 2008 2:43 PM
sheesh, you and I don't agree on everything, but I thought you came across as pretty reasoned.
I loved the way the first person you quote above somehow inferred from the interview what your ideas about evolution are. As I recall the subject didn't come up. But, of course, in her mind all religious conservatives conform to a stereotype.
I am also amused by the fact that she seems to assume that you voted for Reagan. Unless I'm mistaken, you're about 5 years younger than I am (I'm 46), which means that you weren't old to vote in either presidential election in which Reagan ran.
Rob
October 15, 2008 3:11 PM
I hope the fact this Obama-loving liberal's praise doesn't turn you off, but it seems to me you are one of the sanest of all the "conservatives" in the media. But then again, I became a liberal growing up on the farm.
Ray
October 15, 2008 3:39 PM
I listened and finally got to put a voice to the name and words and work of someone I have followed closely since "Crunchy Cons" was published. It was 'right on' and solidified my good vibes about you and your stuff. I listen to SOF randomly and am always challenged and often encouraged for the effort. Proves that even NPR can present a balanced and unbiased program. If the quality of their staff and depth of presentation was as balanced across the board, it would be a beautiful thing.
WhollyRoamin'Catholic
October 15, 2008 3:48 PM
http://WhollyRoaminCatholic.com
I didn't catch the original broadcast, but downloaded the podcast.
Some people will overreact to anything. I wouldn't worry too much about it.
Marie
October 15, 2008 4:18 PM
More interesting than most Speaking of Faith interviews. Krista Tippet didn't follow up on a number of your comments; she too often seemed to be following a list of prepared questions and going down the list.
brierrabbit3030
October 15, 2008 7:07 PM
I listened to your talk. Nice. I found Speaking of Faith last year. Good program. We need more "gentle" discussions like this. The one by James Proseck, the trout artist was good. And also the on about the Orthodox priest in Virginia was great. Intelligent discussions.
Gwen
October 15, 2008 11:21 PM
I am a rock-climbing, modern-dancing Christian conservative who works for a large ministry in CO. I usually don't listen to SOF...the relativism makes me want to gag. But I happened to catch your interview and was so thankful Tippet not only respected you and your positions, but that you didn't water down your positions at all for a liberal audience. As a 20-something conservative Christian, I often feel like the "odd one out" in many of my social circles. I can't wait to read your book...I'd love to see what other "young crunchy cons" are out there doing.
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Clearly, the first respondent knows exactly what she means by ignorance, having demonstrated it so well.
I had the rare opportunity to listen to almost all of SoF the (early Sunday) morning your interview was broadcast locally. I haven't written to you about it because you were consistent with your written "voice" here, and I felt that you could assume that I would enjoy the broadcast at least as much as I enjoy your blog.
Your blog posts have covered all of the points raised in the broadcast. I urge all readers to spend the time browsing this blog's archives for them.
I do have one personal comment: to my ear, your accent is clear but not intrusive. I've been hearing it when reading your blog ever since, and it has enhanced my enjoyment. ;-)
She Who Is Deranged misspelled Birkenstock. Criminal, in my book.
Hey Rod, I listened to it. I enjoyed it.
I need to listen to it again in order to comment intelligently, because I confess I was multi-tasking.
I have listened to Tippett's show on occasion, and subscribe to the iTunes version, but don't have time to listen all the time.
One comment: I wish Tippett would have been more willing to acknowledge your remarks about your experience listening to liberals joke about bombing a church. If memory serves, she sort of let you say it and then moved on.
I think it would have served the mostly liberal audience to spend a little more time with that and to perhaps be convicted about what would have led those liberals to joke in that way. A moment of liberal repentance, perhaps, might have occurred.
I agree with Franklin about your accent: it was a great example of how one can hold on to a regional accent without it being overbearing.
I enjoyed your interview.
I was surprised how much I would agree with you on so many things.
I don't quite understand why you describe yourself as a Republican; it seems you would have many disagreements with the party.
Aligning ourselves with one of the two opposing camps seems simply to create a lot of unnecessary friction.
It seems to me that useful argument develops out of quietly discussing specifics and not from those emotional generalizations that we often end up resorting to.
One example of this was a reference in a response on this blog to government as a parasite. I know this is currently a popular stance, but it ignores all the things we have achieved through organized government, such roads, sewers, the legal system, police forces, fire brigades, free schools and so on. Isn't it a good thing that we have building codes, child labor laws, and such?
Anyway I found your viewpoint refreshing. Thank you.
Rod,
Well, not to detract from the amen chorus, but I didn't find the interview all that interesting. Don't get me wrong, if I didn't read here all the time, I probably would have. But I've been a more or less regular reader here since about the time your Crunchy Con book came out. Given that, it didn't seem like you covered any new ground in your interview, though I didn't listen to the whole thing. I'm not saying you're not interesting....just that you're not interesting twice. :)
Rod, I'm so sorry that my fellow NPR/SOF listeners had this reaction to your interview. But then again, if you go through the Reflections section of many shows in the archive, you'll see a lot of negativity. I'm kind of thinking I made the wrong choices about my life, since I don't have the time to engage in any voluntary activities, like listening to a radio show, that are so unenjoyable to me as to inspire vitriol.
But I don't think these commenters are representative.
As a centrist liberal, I was going to take you to task for your occasional willingness to beat the partisan drums, but this is trait so many of us share. I understand that you are dedicated to fixing your party, and the day when the GOP looks more like you will be a good day for America. I very much appreciated your attempting to explain one of the central questions of the religious/political divide, which is why abortion is the deal breaker. I still can't quite wrap my head around it, but I did get some insight from your answer. I also learned much from your story of turning to Reagan, which seemed to have set off the first commenter. I'm your age, and I saw and lived those events differently, but I do understand your point, and think it a valid one.
I left the show confused, in a good way, about what "conservative" and "liberal" really mean, in terms of family and community values. I think you may have done what we all tend to do, which is to describe your personal values in political terms. You talk about buying organic and shopping at farmers markets as "conservative", but you did not explain why it is conservative. It may be, and I think we "liberal" locavores and ethical carnivores might even agree with you, but this behavior seems to have nothing to do with the public face of political conservatism. Or liberalism, for that matter.
What is clearer and clearer to me, and your comments fit this narrative, is that we are in the midst of a very dramatic political realignment, and I am not sure where I will end up when it all shakes out. You put an attractive face on conservative ideas, one that we certainly don't see enough of right now. You make arguments for a conservatism that perhaps some current Democrats can embrace. Interestingly, I see Barak Obama as a potential catalyst of the realignment-we may not agree on that, but I suspect he will quickly be forced to deal with harsh and hysterical critics on the left. I see the potential for him to nucleate centrists on both sides of the divide as a contervailing force against the extremists on the right and left who are more interested in the fight than in progress.
But I digress. I thank you for agreeing to open yourself up to the attacks you've received. I found your comments insightful, and both the common ground as well as the important differences between liberal and conservatives were brought into sharper relief.
I enjoyed both the interview with you and the previous week's interview with Amy Sullivan. Both of you have unique perspectives on faith and culture that take you outside of the prevailing orthodoxies in your parties. But I think that what would have been even more interesting would be to hear you and Amy speak to each other. Has there been any consideration of doing a third show where the two of you are in conversation? Particularly about abortion?
sheesh, you and I don't agree on everything, but I thought you came across as pretty reasoned.
I loved the way the first person you quote above somehow inferred from the interview what your ideas about evolution are. As I recall the subject didn't come up. But, of course, in her mind all religious conservatives conform to a stereotype.
I am also amused by the fact that she seems to assume that you voted for Reagan. Unless I'm mistaken, you're about 5 years younger than I am (I'm 46), which means that you weren't old to vote in either presidential election in which Reagan ran.
I hope the fact this Obama-loving liberal's praise doesn't turn you off, but it seems to me you are one of the sanest of all the "conservatives" in the media. But then again, I became a liberal growing up on the farm.
I listened and finally got to put a voice to the name and words and work of someone I have followed closely since "Crunchy Cons" was published. It was 'right on' and solidified my good vibes about you and your stuff. I listen to SOF randomly and am always challenged and often encouraged for the effort. Proves that even NPR can present a balanced and unbiased program. If the quality of their staff and depth of presentation was as balanced across the board, it would be a beautiful thing.
I didn't catch the original broadcast, but downloaded the podcast.
Some people will overreact to anything. I wouldn't worry too much about it.
More interesting than most Speaking of Faith interviews. Krista Tippet didn't follow up on a number of your comments; she too often seemed to be following a list of prepared questions and going down the list.
I listened to your talk. Nice. I found Speaking of Faith last year. Good program. We need more "gentle" discussions like this. The one by James Proseck, the trout artist was good. And also the on about the Orthodox priest in Virginia was great. Intelligent discussions.
I am a rock-climbing, modern-dancing Christian conservative who works for a large ministry in CO. I usually don't listen to SOF...the relativism makes me want to gag. But I happened to catch your interview and was so thankful Tippet not only respected you and your positions, but that you didn't water down your positions at all for a liberal audience. As a 20-something conservative Christian, I often feel like the "odd one out" in many of my social circles. I can't wait to read your book...I'd love to see what other "young crunchy cons" are out there doing.
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