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When Twelve Tribes go to war

Thursday October 2, 2008

(Big shout out to the Eighties with that subject line!)

Beliefnet has up a fascinating political analysis of the "Twelve Tribes" on the American religious landscape, and how they're behaving this election season. (The "Twelve Tribes" concept comes as a reaction to the blinkered way the US news media covers religion and politics, with their implicit but erroneous assumption that there are only two tribes: the Religious Right and Everybody Else).

The big news is that moral and social issues are much less important to religious voters this year. The economy trumps everything. Another big headline: Latino Protestants are leading the move of Hispanics toward Democrats.

Take a look at the report, and see which tribe you belong to. Me, I'm a Heartland Culture Warrior. Definition:


Who are they: Conservative Catholics and conservative mainline Protestants, Latter-day Saints, and other smaller groups. Less orthodox than the Religious Right (37% are biblical literalists) and more theologically diverse. But they are regular churchgoers (Nearly 80% report attending worship service weekly or more often).

A quibble: I disagree with Evangelical Protestantism/fundamentalism setting the baseline for Christian orthodoxy. But I know what they mean.

Back to the main finding of the survey: at what point does concern for the economy legitimately trump moral concerns? It's a question I wrestle with not only with regard to the economy, but with regard to war. An example: if a pro-life Christian legitimately fears that the pro-life candidate would clearly lead to an increased chance of economic disaster, and/or a significantly greater chance that the nation would go to war, is that voter justified in voting for the pro-choice candidate on prudential grounds?

It's easy for me to say I'm not going to vote for Obama because he's a pro-choice zealot (which he is), in part because I think he'll be even worse for the economy than McCain would (because spending will increase dramatically with a liberal Democratic president and a Democratic Congress). But I do think having McCain in the White House significantly increases the chances of war. And I don't think McCain will do anything about abortion (as distinct from Obama increasing abortions). OTOH, I think a vice president like Trig's mother would be symbolically important for the Culture of Life. But that's not much, granted.

I think Denver's Catholic archbishop, Chaput, has a good general rule of thumb for pro-life voters. You are not absolutely forbidden from voting for a pro-choice candidate, but if you do, make sure you can explain yourself in the next life to the babies who died from abortion.

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elizabeth
October 2, 2008 2:31 PM

It is hard to believe that Obama can spend more than Bush and Co. have done! How can you take your self seriously and make that argument?

As for abortion, above posters are absolutely correct that overturning Roe will not be likely to prevent abortions. It will just make some women travel a bit farther to get them. You want to reduce abortion, give people hope for the future.

Anonymous
October 2, 2008 2:45 PM

The moral position of abortion is clearly defined by this commandment: Do not murder. Jesus sums up the law in two commandments that may be further distilled to the following statement: Love God, love people. The act of abortion displays neither love for the person being murdered nor for the God who created them.

Is the God who gave the "Do not murder" commandment the same God who ordered the wholesale slaughter of various peoples (e.g., all the people of Jericho - man and woman, young and old, ox and sheep and donkey), and told Joshua to kill not only the guilty Achan, but also his sons, his daughters, his oxen, his donkeys, and his sheep - for Achan's crime?

Thomas R
October 2, 2008 11:16 PM

"More abortions occured under the Bush and Reagan Administrations than under the Clinton Administration. I recently learned this at Sojourner's website."

I assume you mean the Bush Sr. administration. Going by "Factcheck.org" abortion has declined under Bush Jr. by about 8% from what it was in Clinton's last year.

In addition to that for six of Clinton's years we had a Republican Congress, that's unlikely to be an option here. At least not at first.

Thomas R
October 3, 2008 5:05 AM

"Baby in next life: Welcome to heaven.

Pro-choice candidate voter: How are you doing?

Baby in next life: Wonderful! We are in the presence of the Lord!"

Traditionally the Catholic view was that the unbaptized may live in a state of perfect natural happiness, but that they are denied the presence of the Lord and the believers for all eternity.

Benedict XVI seems to have wussed out on that, but I don't think he put in ex-cathedra so to me it's still the more plausible position based on Catholc tradition. The exception to it, as I recall, is babies who are killed as part of a persecution of Christ or Christianity. So if the mother is thinking "I'm going to abort this baby just to spite Christians" than the baby may go to heaven. However I'm guessing such things almost never happen.

Anonymous
October 3, 2008 1:16 PM

I assume you mean the Bush Sr. administration. Going by "Factcheck.org" abortion has declined under Bush Jr. by about 8% from what it was in Clinton's last year.

Abortion rates peaked in 1978-82 and have declined quite linearly since- declining more greatly during the late Clinton years, and declining again after a spike up (the only one seen since 1980) during the early years of Bush Jr.

In addition to that for six of Clinton's years we had a Republican Congress, that's unlikely to be an option here. At least not at first.

The data suggests that policies and attitudes and politicking have very modest effects on what Americans do as a whole. The "pro-life" political movement exerts no notable, let alone significant, effect on numbers. So it is in effect a cargo cult.

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