Rod Dreher is an editorial columnist for the Dallas Morning News, and author of "Crunchy Cons" (Crown Forum), a nonfiction book about conservatives, most of them religious, whose faith and political convictions sometimes put them at odds with mainstream conservatives. The views expressed in this blog are his own.
"I think we can all agree that these are fascinating times in which to live."
It was not for nothing that the Chinese had a curse: "May you live in interesting times."
I think a lot of folks on the right supporting Palin haven't learned a freakin' thing from the Bush years. So, as a Liberal Democrat, I say to Palin: RUN BABY RUN IN 2012!
The neocons ran the country; not George Bush.
The Israel Lobby wanted to get rid of Saddam. Perle wrote a paper for Israel ("Clean Break") that gave a detailed prescription for stabilization of the region which included regime change in Iraq. Bush had a lot of help to get us into the mess we're in today.
And the economic mess can be blamed on the scumbags of both parties.
Whatever it was that Bush the Younger represented, it sure as He!l wasn't "conservatism".
Let's review the record:
1) Bush's first major legislative initiative was "No Child Left Behind". It effectively nationalized the few parts of the formal education system that hadn't been already taken over. It won the Ted Kennedy Seal of Approval;
2) He also came up with the idea for the prescription-drug addition to Medicare. This adds at least $ 10-15 trillion to the long-term central-government debt;
3) The creation of the Homeland Security Department and passage of the USA PATRIOT Act substantially expanded the central government's surveillance and data-mining ability;
4) He threw away the last real chance this country had to "reform" Social Security;
5) Finally, the Middle East: 4,000 dead, several trillion dollars wasted and precious little progress made in wiping out either the Taliban or Iranian influence in the area. Understandable concept, extremely mishandled execution.
6) His immigration policy was one of essentially open borders; it took a mass public protest to keep a Bush-McCain surrender from being enacted.
7) The financial crisis: $ 700 billion + in bailouts here, there and everywhere. Wasted.
How is any of this in furtherance of limited government, a strong and effective national DEFENSE, or strengthened non-State institutions ? Not a bit. To be fair, he did get Alito and Roberts on the Supreme Court---but does this balance all the rest off ? If this character is a true conservative/Traditionalist, I am the new Romanov Czar of All the Russias.
Now it looks like we're going to get a black-nationalist, Socialist crazy in the White House. And her husband. Gee thanks, people. We really needed that. We need that right up there with an extra hole in our collective heads.
Your servant,
Lord Karth
Blame the neocons and Israel? If GWB let the neocons run the country, then that's the fault of GWB. If GWB let the Israel Lobby influence his decision to go to war, then that's the fault of GWB.
I hope that Obama wins this election because I think that he has what it takes to clean up the mess of the Bush years. If Obama wins, I hope that the Democrats and liberals behave with more class than the conservatives and Republicans did 4 years ago. The arrogance and crowing of victory from the "values voters"(I still can't utter those words without rolling my eyes and making a sound of disgust from deep in my throat) did nothing but fuel the already over-inflated ego of a man who will be remembered most for his arrogance and stupidity.
Karma. We might think that we can avoid the laws of Karma, but it always seems to come back and bite us in the ass.
Oh brother, what a bunch of adolescent drivel. You know what? We fought them over there instead of over here! That alone makes Bush great. While it is sad for loss of any member of our VOLUNTEER military, we are in a war, a war that we must win to survive. We have millions of Neville Chamberlains in this country who want to do nothing more than to pull the covers over their eyes and hope the bad Muslim will just go away if we are nice and tolerant. I Thank Bush for keeping my family safe for the past 7 years and allowing our men and women in the military to kill thousands of satan's followers that want us dead.
Shakespeaean is right--when I saw the video of Bush Sr. breaking down in sobs as he praised Jeb, I immediately thought of King Lear and youngest daughter Cordelia.
It's unusual to witness such an epic tragedy in real time, and I'd be interested to know how the Bush dynasty plays out in literature, in a hundred years or so.
What I love about all this is how so many "conservatives" are refusing to accept responsibility for anything. Bush ran as a "conservative" and was elected by "conservatives." What were all those Republicans in Congress who supported him all that time? Were you all deluded when you voted for him? If so, how can anyone believe your judgement on anything? You whine, "We were so confused, we thought he was a "conservative" because that's what he said he was and we voted for him. And now we found out he was something else." Just what sort of koolaid were you drinking all those years? Now along comes Obama and it's all of his supporters that are deluded. LOL! And what was the answer to Obama? Sarah Palin. Boy, that got the conservative base all worked up. Yes, she's a real "conservative." You betcha!! And, Joe the Plumber.
I'll give some credit to Pat Buchanan who warned about the Iraq war from the beginning. But he wanted Bush to continue too. So, please, Repubicans take some responsibility for the mess we're in. It was your guy and his cronies that did this with your support...whether it was deluded or not. Shakesparean? It's more like Keystone cops.
Shocking news: many Americans have consciences. Unfortunately, GWBush and his crowd don't seem to (except Scott McClellan, who left and tried to save himself).
But too much of the press behaved like a bunch of kids in a suburban junior high in both the 2000 and 2004 elections, and allowed the Bushies to manipulate them shamelessly.
The silver lining for me is watching Al Gore, back in Florida, with a whole new level of credibility and finally seen as a deeply decent man. GW Bush is a Cautionary Tale at best.
Not only THAT, but the Rube in Chief says, "New-Que-Ler"!!
Oh the humanity!
I would really like proof that we are fighting people over in Iraq so we don't have to fight them here. I'd like actual specifics not throwaway catchphrases! What threat from within Iraq actually imperils the security of Americans on American soil? Or is just that the 9/11 terrorists were Muslim Arabs, just like Iraqis? If that's the logic employed here, then since there's over a billion Muslims in the world, perhaps we should just fight them all?
I'd like to note that I do not support withdrawing our troops right away and I have no problem with using military force to attack actual terrorists or terrorist-harboring regimes. Now that we're in the region, we wouldn't want to leave that part of the world in complete shambles.
It's just infuriating that war hawks pummel skeptics with the ludicrous claim that the same terrorists that operate in Iraq are bent on coming to America and killing civilians here. There is little to no evidence for this assertion! I would expect that, if it were such a obvious problem, there would be mountains of evidence to justify us spending billions of dollars and risking so many soldiers' lives. Point me to it and I'll gladly take a look at it.
Walker would you STOP the drivel!! The United States is 4% of the world's population. We have almost 50% of the world's defense expenditures. AND WE CAN'T AFFORD THAT LEVEL!! If you want a world war of cultures, keep it up. Europe, India, Russia, China, Japan. All are standing on the side lines. And from my geographic calculations, assuming your thesis is correct (which I don't), many of these would be places of confrontation before the American homeland. My guess, when we leave Iraq (and we will leave), a civil war will immediately ensue between the Sunni and Shiite. It will spread throughout Muslim Central Asia. Maybe the Muslim leaders can contain the internal violence. Maybe not. But assuming there is a "bad Muslim" (your word, I assume it is synonymous with terrorist), he is most probably going to be fighting another Muslim. Either way, the threat of terrorism on our soil can be more effectively contained and prevented. So stop the fear-mongering!!
Gregory Walker, (not related, as far as I know) I was not aware that Saddam Hussein had any plans to fight us over here. Maybe he was planning to use those weapons of mass destruction that mysteriously seemed to vanish into the desert air, or was considering an amphibious assault under air cover provided by the crack Iraqi Air Force. Please.
It seems evident to all except the willfully blind that a massive military operation followed by occupation is not the most effective method to defang a decentralized network of terrorist cells, but if the only tool one chooses to use is a hammer, all problems begin to look like nails. One more thing, if I may. If I happened to live in Iraq or Afghanistan, and my family had been obliterated by American firepower, I would have a firm idea about just who was "satan's follower". Why, I might even be motivated to go and fight them over there instead of over here. It works both ways, Gregory, unless you're playing Risk.
I think your comments are wise, Rob, and it will be interesting to see what happens. There are deep divisions among Democrats, many along generational lines, as the primary season indicated. It is true that the Democrats, who have worked so hard to run the corrupt Republicans out of office, do deserve to celebrate. But the day after those celebrations end, they are going to have to work REALLY hard to form a consensus government that actually works for the majority of Americans and guards against making many of the mistakes the Republican's made. This is going to be an uphill climb. 2010 is when the American people hand out their first grades, and it is sooner than most think.
I am a Christian and conservative, as frustrated as everyone with Bush and his counselors. It is embarassing, and Republicans deserve to lose...however even with the warts and blunders we carry forward into this election, the choices are stark.
Rod, this is the best blog I read. Your ideas stimulating and on target. Thank you for making us think about the choices we make. My question is...How can you not vote? I know you wrote about it.
It is permissible and even virtuous to vote against something even when you are not voting for something. I don't understand....but carry on your good work.
gmo2, you are exactly right.
Speaking as one of those erstwhile, non-movement conservatives, I can recall so many conversations with my conservative friends in which they assured me that Bush was okay because he was one of ours -- that I was overstating the problems with the war, with the Patriot Act, with a don't-tax but spend anyway fiscal policy.
These are not conservative ideas, as conservatism is rightly to be understood. But they are ideas that conservatives couldn't get enough of from 2002 through about 2007, when they saw the writing on the wall. It's interesting, isn't it, how many people suddenly discovered that they were never that thrilled with the Bush administration to begin with? Now that he's costing them at the polls, they want nothing to do with him. That's the Party of Ideas and Personal Responsibility, right there.
Anybody can fight along party lines. Real backbone, honest-to-god principle, is standing up to your own people when they are wrong. Even if that means your people might lose to John Kerry.
It's really difficult to entertain the idea that these "conservatives" have principles. The MUCH simpler explanation is that they will say and do anything to consolidate power.
Confession: I'm a proud lib, who believes in a responsible capitalism with safeguards. Sure, I drink lattes.
They're good. So is arugala. So, to all those so called conservatives who ridicule such things -- Palin likes her latte, and she knows greens are healthy, so she's pulling your collective chains when she plays the idiots game because, well, she thinks y'all are idiots. The reason for the silliness -- in a nutshell, the lameness of the republican strategy this election can pretty much be found at the ground zero of lattes' and arugala. Which brings me to W. I remember walking the streets of my former hometown, NYC, during the 2004 fat and pasty faced-cowboy hat wearin' people's convention and thinking -- can't these folks see through the bullcrap? This administration is lying, could give a crap about them, plays to their desire not to know and a failed human being is being touted as a great leader. Look the facts, their they are, look... but alas, too many folks saw OBL under their bed instead. 4 years of utter, astonishing failure and lack of leadership, the gutting of our constitution, the transformation into a torture state. And I'm supposed to give an ear to anyone who says republican is the way too vote this time around. We'll do things differently this time. Bulldung supreme. This nation needs a serious hot coffee enema to flush out the toxins, spiritual as well as material, hoisted upon us by President Cheney and his incurious frat boy stuck in a perpetual hazing.
I don't agree with everything Obama has laid out. But I believe, with him, the cleansing can finally begin.
Have you all seen "W"? It's a lot more sympathetic to George W. Bush than I would have thought.
Yup. The next time you turn around, it will be the Democrats who are the equivalent of Caligula. That's how the system "works", if you call that working.
We've stumbled along here for the better part of 300 years, and I'd be interested in learning about any system that works better, junky though this one is.
W, the movie, played on the classic father-son dynamic pretty well. I've never cared for GW, despise the policies, but the film portrayal gained my sympathy. Flawed man who had no business being anywhere near the office. Something I thought quite apparent 8 years ago.
Remember Truman, the hated war monger, the failed President that got us mire in an unwinnable war in Korea. Remember also that there have been no successful terrorist attacks on US soil since 9/11. Say what you will about President Bush, but my gosh I'm sick of newspaper writers who think they know everything when they've never had to make an important decision themselves. What a business. Tell the whole world how bad other people are, but never once--never once--admit your own wrongs and apologize. Peak Oil anyone?
Truman, hated war monger?! I thought he was disliked (low approval rating) for removing General Douglas MacArthur. The person who wanted to expand the Korean war into Red China. Truman eventually supported the theory of General George C. Marshall (Marshall at the time was being persecuted by US Senator Joe McCarthy. McCarthy was a peemptive war supporter before his time. ) General Marshall believed that war on the Korean peninsula was the wrong war, on the wrong continent, at the wrong time, with the wrong enemy. (Any of that sound familiar to Iraq.) Marshall believed containment was the best policy. And there was a lot more to Truman than the Korean conflict. By the way, Marshall, in 1953, received the Nobel Peace Prize.
I'm sorry, I have trouble taking W. seriously as a tragic figure. Maybe an tragicomic figure.
For a classical tragic figure, the president who comes to my mind is Nixon -- a man of very real abilities, undone by his own inner demons. If Nixon had lived and ruled in the 17th or 18th centuries, I think one of the 19th-century opera composers might have written an opera about him (though the opera would probably have ended with his death). Yes, I know John Adams wrote an opera about him, "Nixon in China", but it's not the same thing.
Or Johnson -- who wanted to be remembered for the Great Society, but whose presidency was undone by his determination to wage the war in Vietnam.
W. has always struck me as the kid who insists on trying on his father's clothes and pretending to be his father -- but the clothes don't fit; they are far too big on him.
David J. White -
Exactly, both to Nixon and to Dubya.
The other President who strikes me as a good subject for a tragic opera is Grant - redemption of the drunkard, rise to glory in the war, then the tragic fall of his largely failed presidency. Particularly the epilogue with Grant racing against his cancer to finish his memoirs so that his family will not be left destitute.
It's not a particularly original analogy, but I figure the Corleone family from "The Godfather" films is the fictional model for the real-life Bushes. George H.W. (a.k.a. 41) is the patriarch Vito, who tries to teach his sons the rules of the game. George W. (a.k.a. 43) is Sonny, the impulsive hothead who starts a gang war that consumes him. Neil is the hapless Fredo, done in by his own corruption. And Jeb is Michael, the only one who retains some relative dignity at the end.
"Cheney the Cunnning," indeed...watching "W" I had the unavoidable sense that this would have been a better (if not necessarily more popular) movie if it had focused on what happened between Cheney and Bush after 9/11. Cheney has a Iago quality that's hard to overlook.
Fascinating to see how Cheney pulled the strings to get us into the war in Iraq, and how W. went along with it. For him, it was something of a farce. For the nation, it was mostly a tragedy.
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