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Camille Paglia loves Sarah Palin

Wednesday November 12, 2008

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La Dolce Camille is on a roll: Given that Obama had served on a Chicago board with Ayers and approved funding of a leftist educational project sponsored by Ayers, one might think that the unrepentant Ayers-Dohrn couple might be of...
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ossicle
November 12, 2008 1:52 PM

Go Camille!

Always glad you link to her, Rod.

Holy crap, though, it's amazing how much you like gay people. I can't believe how you let your ideology get in the way of a natural affinity.

Michele
November 12, 2008 1:55 PM

Camille is one of the few honest liberals out there. I do respect her opinions, even while disagreeing with her political ideology. She's a kick!

fbc
November 12, 2008 2:01 PM

I like Sarah Palin, and I've heartily enjoyed her arrival on the national stage. As a career classroom teacher, I can see how smart she is -- and quite frankly, I think the people who don't see it are the stupid ones, wrapped in the fuzzy mummy-gauze of their own worn-out partisan dogma.

Me too, our host included. I think this "Palin is stupid" meme is simply a reaction to being led down the rosy path in 2000 by an actual idiot, George W. Bush. Sarah Palin is not George Bush.

I say it again, look at the reactionary vitriol of the Palin-detractors - it is of a piece with those (like myself) for whom the very sight of W. drives me apoplectic. It is ideological and visceral hatred for Christianity, at its core.

Paglia continues: As for the Democrats who sneered and howled that Palin was unprepared to be a vice-presidential nominee -- what navel-gazing hypocrisy! What protests were raised in the party or mainstream media when John Edwards, with vastly less political experience than Palin, got John Kerry's nod for veep four years ago? And Gov. Kathleen Sebelius of Kansas, for whom I lobbied to be Obama's pick and who was on everyone's short list for months, has a record indistinguishable from Palin's. Whatever knowledge deficit Palin has about the federal bureaucracy or international affairs (outside the normal purview of governors) will hopefully be remedied during the next eight years of the Obama presidencies.

Yes, it will be -- IF the rabid left is not successful in poisoning the well of public opinion.

Larry
November 12, 2008 2:03 PM

Lest anyone get confused, Sarah Palin is a graduate of The University of Idaho, not Idaho State University.

Angie
November 12, 2008 2:18 PM

Why, oh why do you insist on quoting Paglia in your blog?

::groans in pain::

ossicle
November 12, 2008 2:19 PM

Well, yes, her final three semesters were U. Idaho, this being her complete tour of the buffet:

Hawaii Pacific College
North Idaho community college
University of Idaho
Matanuska-Susitna community college (Alaska)
University of Idaho

EricW
November 12, 2008 2:23 PM

If you can't get past the Salon subsciber page in Rod's link, go to www.drudgereport.com and click on the link for CAMILLE PAGLIA in the alphabetical listing of columnists.

RJohnson
November 12, 2008 2:36 PM

Why was Sarah Palin picked by McCain as his VP choice?

Rachel
November 12, 2008 2:43 PM

Palin will be on Larry King Live tonight. I predict that it will be interesting.

Derek Copold
November 12, 2008 2:47 PM

Why was Sarah Palin picked by McCain as his VP choice?

Identity politics, pure and simple.

Paglia blows off Palin's lack of experience by shouting "Tu quoque!" at the Democrats, and she has a point, but not enough to justify Palin's pick. I agree that Palin's been unfairly hammered by a biased media for idiotic and false things, but the fact is she wasn't familiar with national issues in a way John Edwards in 2004 was, or even Obama today is. It showed, painfully so. Affirmative action hires disappoint both the hirer and hiree.

Jason
November 12, 2008 2:49 PM

Rod, this has nothing to do with the above, but I misplaced your email address. Your Bp. JONAH was elected Metropolitan 35 minutes ago. Comments? Think he'll take the brewer with him? Axios to him, my condolences to y'all who are losing him (well, some condolences to him as well. You couldn't pay me enough.).

gmo2
November 12, 2008 3:04 PM

fbc says of the hatred for Palin: It is ideological and visceral hatred for Christianity, at its core.

Hmmm...then why don't they hate Obama and Biden? Both are Christians, or are they not real Christians the way anyone who would vote for Obama is not a real American? LOL

There are lots of reasons why people did not like Palin without getting to her Christianity [note that I gave her credit for that] or her position on abortion [which I don't think mattered to most people except those that supported it]...after all, Rod called her "stunningly unprepared," and 70% of Americans agreed she was not.

Look, you guys have been beating yourselves up all week for how you let a conservative President screw up the country for nigh on 8 years...or is it that you were duped into thinking he was conservative when he was really just...and that's the part where I lose you because he ran as a conservative and most of the conservatives annointed him as such. But at any rate, you guys deserve a little mindless liberal bashing for a moment....I just expect you to be beating yourselves up all the earlier tomorrow. Have fun.

Dan
November 12, 2008 3:07 PM

Umm... where to start.
A quick google search was enough to determine that Kathleen Sebelius is more experienced (six plus years vs. 2) at a state-wide level than Sarah Palin. John Edwards ran a respectable presidential campaign and served in the Senate longer than Palin was governor. Evidently Camille considers fact checking beneath her.

To assert that no one paid attention to the Ayers connection is incorrect, there just wasn't anything there to write about. Ayer's leftist educational project was financed by a Republican woman (Leonore Annenberg) who endorsed John McCain. John McCain's father-in-law was a convicted felon who may have been tied to organized crime but I don't think it was improper for John to associate with Cindy's father.

The reaction of Democrats, independents, and more than a few prominent Republicans to Sarah Palin was not based on her opposition to abortion, instead it was based upon the realization that if she couldn't perform well during a softball interview with Katie Couric she was not ready to be president. If you can't handle Katie Couric, you can't handle Putin, Chavez, Ahmadinejad, or Kim Jong-il. Read Colin Powell's description of why he supported Obama.

If Camille wants to accuse anyone of "irrational emotionalism and at times infantile rage", she should first sit down, take a deep breath, look in the mirror and reread her article. We have serious problems to solve and need calm, sober analysis to find pragmatic solutions to the financial crisis and our foreign policy problems. An over-the-top screed like this might feel good to read but does nothing to advance attempts to find common ground among competing points of view. Mindless dismissal of all people who through hard work have graduated from elite institutions is counterproductive to building a better future for our children.

MBunge
November 12, 2008 3:45 PM

Paglia's rant is sadly demonstrative of the non-thinking that poisons our political discourse. Some of the stuff she goes on about is weirdly disconnected from reality. But because she's really pissed off about something regarding Palin (and I'm not sure she even understands why she's so angry), she doesn't notice or care if she's making any sense. The only purpose of her rant is to make herself feel better, which makes it impossible to respond to her in a meaninful way. If you're saying something just to make yourself feel good, you cannot rationally handle anyone challenging your statement because it feels like an emotional attack.

Mike

Richard Johnson
November 12, 2008 4:07 PM

I asked: "Why was Sarah Palin picked by McCain as his VP choice?"

Derek Copold responds: "Identity politics, pure and simple."

No...that is why YOU believe she was picked. I am looking for someone to post a quote or a reference where John McCain explains why he chose Sarah Palin as his VP candidate. There are many possible answers, a few of which could be:

- "She is the most qualified person in my opinion to hold the office of VP."

- "I chose her because her abilities and skills are exactly what our nation needs in this important position at this time."

- "I chose her because she is a woman, and I want a woman on my ticket."

There are hundreds of other reasons that he may have given. But what I am really looking for is this: did McCain articulate to the nation in clear terms why he felt Sarah Palin deserved the nod for VP? What put her at the top of the short list in the end?

I honestly do not know, and I do not recall hearing such an explanation from him. I heard the word "maverick" a lot, as well as "independent thinker." But I never heard him say, "I chose her because ____."

Does anyone have an answer?

Julie
November 12, 2008 4:18 PM

A Palin interview with Wolf B., CNN is being should in parts during the next two hours. Early clips:

Palin is still concerned about the Ayers and she will not applogize to Obama about anything she said.

Palin needs to read ab
Palin owes Obama an appolgy for slandering with false statements, such as Obama "palled around with terrorist" Obama does not love America like we do. The leftist education projects.

The Bible says slander and lying is a sin. Palin need to ensure she know the facts instead of repeating McCain's talking points. Palin repeated McCains lies about Obama's tax plans and voting record over and over.

FactCheck and other organizations have debunked the Ayers connection, the Rezko house purchase and the "born alive/infantcide" smears.

In addition, Ayers did state he regretted many thing in a 2000 or 2001 Sun-Times interview conducted before the NY Time article that has been used to say he is unrepentant.

Being a Christian is more than not having an abortion

Derek Copold
November 12, 2008 4:47 PM

But what I am really looking for is this: did McCain articulate to the nation in clear terms why he felt Sarah Palin deserved the nod for VP?

Has McCain ever articulated anything to the nation in clear terms? I mean, other than his preternatural desire to meddle in other countries' affairs.

As for Palin having some superior set of skills, if you can divine them, you're a singular fellow. The only obvious answer is that he picked Palin for her gender and politico-religious appeal.

Daniel
November 12, 2008 5:00 PM

Camille is every conservative's favorite feminist athiest lesbian liberal. She's been irrelevant for years and her cache seems to be limited to pleasing conservatives, a kind of reverse Christopher Buckley but without the talent.

What Camille appears to have missed is that most of the criticism after the first week wasn't coming from liberals, but from conservatives and apparently the McCain campaign. Rod was much more critical of Palin's pedigree than anyone at The Nation and Mother Jones. Kathleen Parker's analysis of Palin was much more bighting than anything you'd read by Maureen Dowd. Palin's brand fell because of conservative elitists, not liberals. If Camille put down her Yma Sumac CDs long enough and actually listened to others, she'd know that.

EddieInCA
November 12, 2008 5:18 PM

To add to Julie's post:

That Palin is still making Ayers a focal point shows just how clueless she is when it comes to current events and information.

If she read newspapers, read blogs, or followed the news, she'd know that Bill Ayers himself said that he and Obama were NOT close. In fact, his exact quote was:

He said that he laughed, too, when he listened to Sarah Palin’s descriptions of Obama “palling around with terrorists.” In fact, Ayers said that he knew Obama only slightly: “I think my relationship with Obama was probably like that of thousands of others in Chicago and, like millions and millions of others, I wished I knew him better.”

It's actually a fascinating interview with a complex person - not the caricature created by the McCain/Palin campaign.

Every time Palin does an interview, she gives her future opposition much more fodder.

Robert
November 12, 2008 5:45 PM

I'm no conservative, and I've always found Camille Paglia to be, well, creepy. What I don't understand is whether Rod's fondness for Paglia stems from his conservatism or his Orthodoxy.

Daniel
November 12, 2008 5:49 PM

I do love the idea that if the press has just paid more attention to Obama's passing familiarity with Ayres/Dohrn or talked more--is that possible--about Rev. Wrght, that somehow McCain and Palin would have won. As if the public is going to overlook tired ideas and apparent incompetence because they don't like someone Obama met a couple of times at meetings and parties.

Rod Dreher
November 12, 2008 6:17 PM

What I don't understand is whether Rod's fondness for Paglia stems from his conservatism or his Orthodoxy.

Neither. My fondness for characters.

David J. White
November 12, 2008 6:42 PM

I shared an office with her for a semester when I taught at the University of the Arts in Philadelphia 21(!) years ago. This was before her first big book came out, so before she was famous, but she was already a character. ;-)

Matt
November 12, 2008 7:50 PM

McCain said he picked Palin for several reasons and I'm paraphrasing:

-She was a reformer who took on the establishment
-She was a Washington outsider
-She was a Maverick (which is really a function of the first two points)
-She was against pork/earmarks/gov't waste
-She was a regular person

I think I was less critical of her lack of experience in years or breadth. Rather, I was critical of her because it seemed as if she never even thought about national domestic issues and foreign policy issues. I like my VP to know more than me about foreign and domestic issues or, minimally, be able to adroitly fake it.

SteveM
November 12, 2008 8:15 PM

I dunno, I sorta dig her. If she happens to turn un-gay, let me know...

In one of the imaginary hells that I see myself getting assigned to, I work as the closed captioning transcriber for an eternal Camille Paglia talk show. And the whole program is her monologue after she's taken a couple of Dexedrine.

P.S. If I'm condemned for an especially grievous mortal sin, toss in a really bad hangover.

Daniel
November 12, 2008 8:24 PM

"This was before her first big book came out, so before she was famous, but she was already a character."

Did she ever shut up, or at least take a breath? More importantly, did she ever talk about anyone but herself? :)

RJohnson
November 12, 2008 9:19 PM

McCain said he picked Palin for several reasons and I'm paraphrasing:

-She was a reformer who took on the establishment
-She was a Washington outsider
-She was a Maverick (which is really a function of the first two points)
-She was against pork/earmarks/gov't waste
-She was a regular person
---------------

Thanks, Matt. That's a lot more concise and clear than anything I heard McCain say about her. I heard a lot about her being a maverick and how she stood up to her party.

What I didn't hear from McCain was any kind of statement that she was the best person for the job. Maybe he did say it, but I certainly did not hear it from him, either at the convention or in any of the debates.

On the other hand I heard Obama say that Biden was the best person for the job several times over. Now, you can make of that what you will.

My point is that if McCain cannot honestly state of his running mate that she is the best person for the position, why should we make that assumption about her?

sigaliris
November 12, 2008 9:45 PM

That's the sound of the mistress's whip cracking. Mercy me. So a little BDSM is now okay for conservative reformers? Just let me know, so I can get my jackboots polished up. There are, indeed, a number of pale yet pert body parts, both neo- and paleo-, that deserve a good smacking, and I could be available if the price were right. Perhaps the catharsis of pain is just what the conservative movement needs to reconnect with its inner reality. ; )

I agree with Paglia that Palin suffered some vile and irrelevant sliming, but I don't think it was because she's pro-life. Nothing happened to her that doesn't happen to every women who has the temerity to appear in public. Conservatives merely took notice of it this time around, because it was happening to a woman they'd endorsed. Equally vile things were said of Hillary Clinton and many others, but that seemed normal to them so they paid no attention. And many so-called liberals, to their shame, proved themselves equally misogynistic with the right wing. This has not gone unnoticed in the feminist blogosphere. Women in the public eye will be criticized because they are women. Their appearance, their sexuality and their reproductive choices will be questioned, they will be reduced to walking genitalia, and obscene images of them will be posted and circulated. As long as that's deemed acceptable, it will apply to conservative women too. Surprise, surprise.

Max Schadenfreude
November 12, 2008 10:00 PM

So much ankle biting on.

Baldy
November 12, 2008 11:06 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/13/arts/television/13hoax.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

It seems the the post election criticism of Palin was... well, people believing lies. If you took this as "more evidence" of Palin being, well, substandard... Perhaps you should re-evaluate how quick you are to turn on fellow conservatives and how gullible you are to fall for your opposition's complaints.

maryQ
November 12, 2008 11:11 PM

I am so very angered at the idea that liberals don't like Palin because she is pro-life. As a pro-life Democrat, that is about the only thing I like about Palin. Well, that and her hunting skills. I have the deepest respect for those who could provide for themselves and their families should the centralized food web break down.

While I acknowledge that some liberal Democrats, particularly of the feminist persuasion, call rather too much attention to the supposed incongruence of Palin's pro-life stance with her admission that she had an amnio, or her support for abstinence-only education with her daughter's pregnancy, I myself can not get beyond her boundless resentment towards anyone with non-material aspirations, and her prideful ignorance. I think I am far from alone in this.

The idea that she is reviled because she made the choice to give birth to a baby with Down's in an invention of the right wing nuttery.

silver
November 13, 2008 12:27 AM

And when McCain gave his list of reasons for choosing Palin, did he say that he thought she would be the best Commander in Chief for the war in Iraq, an engagement that was the core platform of his campaign, should need be?

Cosi
November 13, 2008 2:56 PM

No, let's hope the 'evil genie' doesn't go into the bottle again. we the dire economic situation compliments of the Bush debacle, we need all the laughs we can have. And she, Palin, while not even remotely funny herself, manages to make us laugh, uproariously laugh, each time she opens her mouth.
"I want to restore the credence and credibility of the media"....her long and meandering paragraphs. her excuses for her total ignorance of our own government and country. No, keep her out of the bottle or the box, we need the entertainment! Can't wait for another interview! and in a few weeks her wayward daughter will give birth making her a grandmother....if the baby is half black....will we be told? maybe so, that way she can try to get the Black vote. Can't wait...with McCain out of the picture we need more material, so do the TV writers and comedians.

Gail
November 14, 2008 9:15 AM

Very erudite commentary

Gail

Frank
December 1, 2008 1:43 PM

Camille Paglia is overdrawn on her 15 minutes of fame. The contrarian academic as rock star shtick is wearing thin.

We've had eight years of dumb-is-beautiful and education-is-elitist politics. It's merely set this country up for the current economic crisis.

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