I am going to tell you what a fool I was, in hope that you will learn from my foolishness, and not do what I did. Or rather, what I failed to do. I opened up the New York Times...
I just recently had an opportunity to speak with a wonderful and wise old man. I'm a medical student, and throughout our anatomy dissections--especially neuroanatomy--a retired neuro professor would come in and work essentially as a TA, simply because he enjoyed helping us understand the intricacies of the human body.
Last week, he returned to a Christian Medical and Dental Assoc. meeting I attended, where he offered a brief talk--exhortation, really--on excellence from a biblical perspective. Although the talk itself was enriching for me and the other students there, the most memorable thing happened after almost everyone else left, save for me and one friend of mine.
We started chatting with the professor, and he asked where we were from, what we wanted to specialize in, and the like, and then we asked about his background. He then pulled from his jacket pocket an envelope of old photographs, weathered and worn, and began to tell us about his past. Blue-collar background, first in his family to attend college, worked his way through as a steelworker, and although he was from the South, he spent summers in construction in New York City with his father. In fact, he was working on the second deck of the George Washington bridge in the late 50's with his dad, who himself had previously worked on the first deck in the 20's and 30's. Sadly, his father passed away during his second stint on the GWB when he fell from the Jersey tower, and our professor didn't have the heart to continue as a steelworker. Upon telling us this story, he pulled one last photograph from the envelope, of his father in the 1930's along the Jersey banks of the Hudson, the GWB in the background.
"Now this is a very remarkable picture," he said in a slow, subdued, magisterial drawl, with his curious mix of enthusiasm and seriousness. "I don't know of another photograph of a man, standing right in front of the same spot he would pass away, nearly 30 years later."
My friend and I were stunned over the entire experience. How remarkable! And how easy to neglect the treasures of yesterday---the stories, the wisdom, the people--amidst all of our busyness. Don't we have to learn about congenital heart diseases and infarctions and diltiazem and temolol and endothelial dysfunction? Don't we have a test? Don't we have CV's to fill up? Deadlines! Tasks! Entertainment! Achieve! Complete! Consume!
In most folks' lives, the Present has a way of eating up the Past. But with the Past forgotten, perspective is lost, and the Present becomes a monster, always feeding, always hungry.
Pam Vetter
November 3, 2008 10:50 PM
http://www.TheFuneralLady.com
What great wisdom you're sharing with your readers! This is so true... I wish there were more time in the day because I'm fascinated with life stories. And, I often think of older folk I meet who are lost in the shuffle and rush of family members. They have amazing stories to tell... Thank you for reminding all of to take the time, visit with people and take value in listening while we learn from life stories. This is a powerful post!
Bill Logan
November 4, 2008 3:56 AM
Rod, don't beat yourself up too much over this. Although you didn't talk with the general yourself, one of the consequences of being famous or illustrious or noteworthy is that institutions will often want to do a formal oral history with you. Like LSU did with General Barrow in 1992:
With all due respect to Bill Logan, there is quite a difference in having a personal conversation and reading/hearing someone else's conversation with such a man as General Barrow.
It was my privilege to have some long conversations with the General shortly after he retired from the Corps. He made time to serve on the Board of Directors of a company for which I worked at the time. He shared some wonderful stories, some philosophy about the working man’s intrinsic value to the company, and some predictions about the future of our country. He was a true Southern gentleman and a very good conversationalist.
I remember one day when he was borrowing my boss's office and a phone call came in, the caller hoping to find the General there.
“May I say who’s calling?” I asked the woman on the phone.
“This is the White House calling for General Barrow. Is he there?”
I inadvertently snapped to attention, passed the telephone to the General and whispered, “It’s the White House for you, sir.”
I quickly collected the papers we had been working on as General Barrow identified himself to the caller and then, just as I closed the door to give him some privacy, I heard him say, “Yes, Mr. President, what may I do for you today?”
I thought I was going to faint.
The President of the United States of America, Ronald Reagan, was speaking to General Barrow in the office right next to mine! Would wonders never cease!
When his call ended, the General opened the door, invited me back into the office and asked, “Now, where were we…” as if speaking to the President was an everyday occurrence for folks in St. Francisville.
“Oh, yes, Mongolian Barbeque, that’s what we were talking about…”
jestrfyl
November 4, 2008 10:23 AM
Every Veterans Day weekend we sing a version of "Eternal Father, Strong to Save", modified to include every branch of the military. As we sing, I ask veterans of the respective military branches to stand as we sing their identified verse. We do this as the first hymn so everyone, including the kids, can see who stood. Then in the kids talk I ask them all to stand. This way they can see who they know that has served. I understand that over the years and in the different congregations I have served this has led to some interesting conversations. It becmes a way to intorduce people to each other on a different level.
I am not very pro-military. However I also recopgnize this is a unique form of service - a form that not everyone has necessarily chosen, due to the draft that was once in place. It is important for the younger members to see, to know who has served and in what ways. It becomes a way to encourage service in many duie and creative ways. I would like to do the same for other ways people serve, but the military is the easiest to identify and adapt. I am working on the others as a continued encouragment to people.
Bill Logan
November 4, 2008 1:22 PM
Joan, of course there is a difference between having a personal conversation with someone and reading/listening to an oral history (NOT "someone else's conversation") taken with them. On the other hand, it's going to be slightly difficult for Rod to do the former with the general. Rod can flagellate himself some more about missing an opportunity to meet and get to know a unique person, but if he really wants to know about the general, he now knows one place he can turn to. I'm sure the general's qualities of being a Southern gentleman and great conversationalist will come through in the oral history.
Jenny
November 4, 2008 9:44 PM
The Shot of Whiskey I Never Drank
Trent Gilliss, Online Editor
Studs Terkel, the legendary radio personality and interviewer, died today. Nearly four years ago, I took my first production trip for SOF — and what a way to start things out — with an interview in his Chicago home. At the time (he was 92 then), he had taken a fall and thus was primarily confined to his bed, relocated to the first floor in the center of his living room.
We were prepared for an elderly man who may not have a lot of energy to make it through an hour. What we got was the same old dynamo that I’d seen and heard so many times. He was alive, and his vivacity energized all of us. I regret having to relinquish this original character.
During that hour, I remember three things vividly: his definition of being an agnostic, which he defined as “a cowardly atheist”; the way he spoke about his wife as a living presence in his life, even though she had passed away some time before; this towering figure shook hands with me and asked me to repeat my name several times so that he could register it and acknowledge my presence. For part of a crew (and a Web lackey at that) invading his home, this made me feel welcome — and special; and, I write this with a regret that pangs my heart, I didn’t take him up on his offer to have a snort of whiskey before the interview — even if it was before noon.
Oh how I wish I would’ve raised my one glass to him. I’ll raise it tonight instead.
Trent Gillis, online editor for Speaking of Faith, shares a similar sentiment on the passing of Studs Terkel...
The post is worth a read. In it, he says "I write this with a regret that pangs my heart, I didn’t take him up on his offer to have a snort of whiskey before the interview — even if it was before noon. Oh how I wish I would’ve raised my one glass to him. I’ll raise it tonight instead"
Trent Gillis, online editor for Speaking of Faith, shares a similar sentiment on the passing of Studs Terkel...
The post is worth a read. In it, he says "I write this with a regret that pangs my heart, I didn’t take him up on his offer to have a snort of whiskey before the interview — even if it was before noon. Oh how I wish I would’ve raised my one glass to him. I’ll raise it tonight instead"
Charles
November 9, 2008 1:16 PM
Rod ... I'm Gen.Barrow's son. Your reflection on not visiting is an appropriate message and lesson for others, but don't think you would have learned about medals or conflict. Dad had more humility than any man I have ever known. He spoke of his own career activity only for official records, records needed by the USMC. Most of Dad's legend was gained by talking with those who served with him, those who benefited from his policies, those who's lives were saved. Dad spoke more often of his boyhood, his values and his faith ... He would have welcomed your visit, but you would have quickly found yourself talking about yourself. He had a knack of turning the conversation quickly away from himself. God bless you. God blessed Dad long ago and often. God blessed me with having him as a Dad.
TM
November 9, 2008 8:58 PM
And, God blessed our nation with General Barrow.
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I just recently had an opportunity to speak with a wonderful and wise old man. I'm a medical student, and throughout our anatomy dissections--especially neuroanatomy--a retired neuro professor would come in and work essentially as a TA, simply because he enjoyed helping us understand the intricacies of the human body.
Last week, he returned to a Christian Medical and Dental Assoc. meeting I attended, where he offered a brief talk--exhortation, really--on excellence from a biblical perspective. Although the talk itself was enriching for me and the other students there, the most memorable thing happened after almost everyone else left, save for me and one friend of mine.
We started chatting with the professor, and he asked where we were from, what we wanted to specialize in, and the like, and then we asked about his background. He then pulled from his jacket pocket an envelope of old photographs, weathered and worn, and began to tell us about his past. Blue-collar background, first in his family to attend college, worked his way through as a steelworker, and although he was from the South, he spent summers in construction in New York City with his father. In fact, he was working on the second deck of the George Washington bridge in the late 50's with his dad, who himself had previously worked on the first deck in the 20's and 30's. Sadly, his father passed away during his second stint on the GWB when he fell from the Jersey tower, and our professor didn't have the heart to continue as a steelworker. Upon telling us this story, he pulled one last photograph from the envelope, of his father in the 1930's along the Jersey banks of the Hudson, the GWB in the background.
"Now this is a very remarkable picture," he said in a slow, subdued, magisterial drawl, with his curious mix of enthusiasm and seriousness. "I don't know of another photograph of a man, standing right in front of the same spot he would pass away, nearly 30 years later."
My friend and I were stunned over the entire experience. How remarkable! And how easy to neglect the treasures of yesterday---the stories, the wisdom, the people--amidst all of our busyness. Don't we have to learn about congenital heart diseases and infarctions and diltiazem and temolol and endothelial dysfunction? Don't we have a test? Don't we have CV's to fill up? Deadlines! Tasks! Entertainment! Achieve! Complete! Consume!
In most folks' lives, the Present has a way of eating up the Past. But with the Past forgotten, perspective is lost, and the Present becomes a monster, always feeding, always hungry.
What great wisdom you're sharing with your readers! This is so true... I wish there were more time in the day because I'm fascinated with life stories. And, I often think of older folk I meet who are lost in the shuffle and rush of family members. They have amazing stories to tell... Thank you for reminding all of to take the time, visit with people and take value in listening while we learn from life stories. This is a powerful post!
Rod, don't beat yourself up too much over this. Although you didn't talk with the general yourself, one of the consequences of being famous or illustrious or noteworthy is that institutions will often want to do a formal oral history with you. Like LSU did with General Barrow in 1992:
http://www.lib.lsu.edu/special/williams/abstracts/university/barrow.htm
With all due respect to Bill Logan, there is quite a difference in having a personal conversation and reading/hearing someone else's conversation with such a man as General Barrow.
It was my privilege to have some long conversations with the General shortly after he retired from the Corps. He made time to serve on the Board of Directors of a company for which I worked at the time. He shared some wonderful stories, some philosophy about the working man’s intrinsic value to the company, and some predictions about the future of our country. He was a true Southern gentleman and a very good conversationalist.
I remember one day when he was borrowing my boss's office and a phone call came in, the caller hoping to find the General there.
“May I say who’s calling?” I asked the woman on the phone.
“This is the White House calling for General Barrow. Is he there?”
I inadvertently snapped to attention, passed the telephone to the General and whispered, “It’s the White House for you, sir.”
I quickly collected the papers we had been working on as General Barrow identified himself to the caller and then, just as I closed the door to give him some privacy, I heard him say, “Yes, Mr. President, what may I do for you today?”
I thought I was going to faint.
The President of the United States of America, Ronald Reagan, was speaking to General Barrow in the office right next to mine! Would wonders never cease!
When his call ended, the General opened the door, invited me back into the office and asked, “Now, where were we…” as if speaking to the President was an everyday occurrence for folks in St. Francisville.
“Oh, yes, Mongolian Barbeque, that’s what we were talking about…”
Every Veterans Day weekend we sing a version of "Eternal Father, Strong to Save", modified to include every branch of the military. As we sing, I ask veterans of the respective military branches to stand as we sing their identified verse. We do this as the first hymn so everyone, including the kids, can see who stood. Then in the kids talk I ask them all to stand. This way they can see who they know that has served. I understand that over the years and in the different congregations I have served this has led to some interesting conversations. It becmes a way to intorduce people to each other on a different level.
I am not very pro-military. However I also recopgnize this is a unique form of service - a form that not everyone has necessarily chosen, due to the draft that was once in place. It is important for the younger members to see, to know who has served and in what ways. It becomes a way to encourage service in many duie and creative ways. I would like to do the same for other ways people serve, but the military is the easiest to identify and adapt. I am working on the others as a continued encouragment to people.
Joan, of course there is a difference between having a personal conversation with someone and reading/listening to an oral history (NOT "someone else's conversation") taken with them. On the other hand, it's going to be slightly difficult for Rod to do the former with the general. Rod can flagellate himself some more about missing an opportunity to meet and get to know a unique person, but if he really wants to know about the general, he now knows one place he can turn to. I'm sure the general's qualities of being a Southern gentleman and great conversationalist will come through in the oral history.
The Shot of Whiskey I Never Drank
Trent Gilliss, Online Editor
Studs Terkel, the legendary radio personality and interviewer, died today. Nearly four years ago, I took my first production trip for SOF — and what a way to start things out — with an interview in his Chicago home. At the time (he was 92 then), he had taken a fall and thus was primarily confined to his bed, relocated to the first floor in the center of his living room.
We were prepared for an elderly man who may not have a lot of energy to make it through an hour. What we got was the same old dynamo that I’d seen and heard so many times. He was alive, and his vivacity energized all of us. I regret having to relinquish this original character.
During that hour, I remember three things vividly: his definition of being an agnostic, which he defined as “a cowardly atheist”; the way he spoke about his wife as a living presence in his life, even though she had passed away some time before; this towering figure shook hands with me and asked me to repeat my name several times so that he could register it and acknowledge my presence. For part of a crew (and a Web lackey at that) invading his home, this made me feel welcome — and special; and, I write this with a regret that pangs my heart, I didn’t take him up on his offer to have a snort of whiskey before the interview — even if it was before noon.
Oh how I wish I would’ve raised my one glass to him. I’ll raise it tonight instead.
Trent Gillis, online editor for Speaking of Faith, shares a similar sentiment on the passing of Studs Terkel...
The post is worth a read. In it, he says "I write this with a regret that pangs my heart, I didn’t take him up on his offer to have a snort of whiskey before the interview — even if it was before noon. Oh how I wish I would’ve raised my one glass to him. I’ll raise it tonight instead"
Trent Gillis, online editor for Speaking of Faith, shares a similar sentiment on the passing of Studs Terkel...
The post is worth a read. In it, he says "I write this with a regret that pangs my heart, I didn’t take him up on his offer to have a snort of whiskey before the interview — even if it was before noon. Oh how I wish I would’ve raised my one glass to him. I’ll raise it tonight instead"
Rod ... I'm Gen.Barrow's son. Your reflection on not visiting is an appropriate message and lesson for others, but don't think you would have learned about medals or conflict. Dad had more humility than any man I have ever known. He spoke of his own career activity only for official records, records needed by the USMC. Most of Dad's legend was gained by talking with those who served with him, those who benefited from his policies, those who's lives were saved. Dad spoke more often of his boyhood, his values and his faith ... He would have welcomed your visit, but you would have quickly found yourself talking about yourself. He had a knack of turning the conversation quickly away from himself. God bless you. God blessed Dad long ago and often. God blessed me with having him as a Dad.
And, God blessed our nation with General Barrow.
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