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"Green Thomism," Danny Kruger and the conservative future

Wednesday November 12, 2008

Categories: Conservatism
Got a great e-mail today from Christopher Ruddy, a Catholic theologian in the Twin Cities. We'd met at the GOP convention; he's a reader of this blog, and he kindly made time for me for dinner across from the convention...
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Christopher Mohr
November 12, 2008 8:07 PM

"civil society communitarianism", eh? The Japanese have a model for you to follow. They've had that at least since WW2, and a communitarian society since records of the Japanese people have been kept. It's even in their mythology.

pb
November 12, 2008 10:13 PM

A civil society communitarianism rooted in traditional American republicanism would be ideal. That is something the Japanese model lacks.

Charles Cosimano
November 12, 2008 10:45 PM

Never going to happen.

The whole system depends on people caring what other people think of them. That does not exist in our culture, on the contrary, NOT caring what other people think is the highest virtue. There is simply not going to be the social leverage to make it happen.

Joseph
November 13, 2008 6:22 AM
http://www.arimathea.org/


I have heard my professors put forth the idea that our constitutional system was intended to address both the liberal concerns of Constant (respect for individual freedom) and the civic concerns of traditional politics (engaged republicanism, or, perhaps, your communitarianism) through the federal system. Of course, the civil war and the 14th amendment transformed our political system, but it might be a goal for the future. At the federal level far removed from people and accountability, we could have a minimalist, libertarian regime, while at the local level, we could try a more competent version of "compassionate conservatism," with the State level midway between the two. You could see hown a winning political coalition could be built with a return to federalist principles. Goldberg and others have been preaching this for years.

Also, before reading this post, I had never before heard of Ryan Streeter. I looked him up -- this man should run for some high office. He is the total package -- he is smart, educated, an intellectual with creative solutions, an accomplished executive, and, honestly, quite a handsome fellow. Like it or not, looks matter to an electorate that cannot get to know each candidate personally. Palin and Streeter would show that politics is not necessarily Hollywood for ugly people.

For now, though . . . Jindal ‘12!

Ben
November 13, 2008 7:39 AM

Conservatism's future lies in a right-ish form of civil society communitarianism, and much of it will be worked out on a renewed religious right, among new generation Evangelical and Catholic intellectuals who can make and articulate the connection between the health of individuals and the communities in which they live

I wish it were so, but I actually think it's more likely that the kind of person you're describing, basically the squishy 18-30 year old Evangelical types, will probably eventually have more success moderating the Democratic party than they will transforming the Republican party.

I want to believe, but I don't see the Angry White Guy wing of the GOP, pretty much the base at this point, going away any time soon.

baconboy
November 13, 2008 10:48 AM

"Green Thomism" -- what a hoot!! The very possibility crosses the line from intellectual imagination to complete fabrication. How one will (ab)use Aquinas to get this should be amusing.

Jon W
November 13, 2008 12:29 PM

The very possibility crosses the line from intellectual imagination to complete fabrication.

How so? I grew up an Evangelical Reaganite Republican who read Lewis and Tolkien, converted to Catholicism after college, and now find in Aquinas and Catholic social teaching an articulation of the best that I grew up with combined with a proper take-down of what I found I had to reject.

The use of Aquinas goes far beyond particular teachings to the logical consequences of his philosophical and theological system that bear upon our situation today. It may take a little creativity in order to apply them, but it seems to me to be very a propos.

Jim Forest
November 14, 2008 6:03 AM
http://www.incommunion.org/forest-flier/

A clarification. Peter Maurin didn't say we ought to work for a society in which it is "easy for people to be good" but rather for a society in which is is "easier for a people to be good." It will never be easy to be good, as Peter Maurin would have been the first to point out. I know you agree, as is made clear in the last sentence of the Maurin paragraph. (Actually Peter said "easier for men to be good," but these days the meaning of "men" has narrowed.)

Jim Forest
http://incommunion.org/forest-flier/

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Mark Sullvian
November 17, 2008 9:04 PM

Rod,

I'm writing a story on Danny Kruger for Our Sunday Visitor. Something like--Conservative Catholics Turn Toward the U.K. Would you be willing to be interviewed for it? Please let me know.

mark_w_sullivan@yahoo.com

thanks,

Mark

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Rod Dreher is an editorial columnist for the Dallas Morning News, and author of "Crunchy Cons" (Crown Forum), a nonfiction book about conservatives, most of them religious, whose faith and political convictions sometimes put them at odds with mainstream conservatives. The views expressed in this blog are his own.

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