Holy Land Foundation: Terror fundraisers guilty

Can someone explain to me exactly how an Islamic organization's plans to support the eventual rule of shariah law in the United States differs from some church in Colorado Springs' plan to support the eventual rule of Bible-based principles in the United States? Or an insidious plan to implement the Benedectine option in the United States, forcing Catholic rules on honest, god-fearing, Protestant rural gun owners across the land?

We're a country that grants rights of free speech to Nazis, Communists, gays, lesbians, and crunchy conservatives. Had these found guilty had the good sense to articulate their objectives in terms of influencing rather than sabotaging would they have committed a crime? Are they that different from us? What is the line they crossed?

Wait, I thought the Holy Land Foundation was a Zionist amusement park in Orlando?

Robert:

There's no question that these groups have the right to peacefully campaign for the overthrow of secular, constitutional government and for the establishment of shariah law (although it's worth noting that those who pursue this goal always, eventually, impose such laws by force as soon as they are able to do so, starting with their own segregated communities and parallel, de facto governments). However, our leaders must understand that these folks are NOT our allies. The fact that they pursue their agenda of islamic supremacism by different means is only an accident of circumstance, opportunity, timing and numbers. Ultimately, they are profoundly sympathetic to our enemies and absolutely share the same goals.

Can someone explain to me exactly how an Islamic organization's plans to support the eventual rule of shariah law in the United States differs from some church in Colorado Springs' plan to support the eventual rule of Bible-based principles in the United States?

Sure, courting the support of the latter earns you curses and cries of "theocrat" from the chattering classes while courting the support of the former makes you "tolerant" and "welcoming."

Every single Muslim organization named as "unindicted co-conspirators" of the guilty HLF -- and that includes CAIR, ISNA, MAS and others -- ought to be ostracized.

Remind me again what are those organizations guilty of - I missed that part.

I think Robert's on to something here.

In my experience - when these types of organizations try to play ball with the big boys and change American society from within, it ends up changing them.

I wouldn't be surprised if the leaders of any of those groups came in with that intent and instead found themselves driving a Prius and buying their daughters a new cellphone every year.

If Intent was all it took to get convicted in this country - we'd all be in jail.

This trial will be appealed. It's one to one. The ACLU also has a legal challenge against the wrongful disclosure and inappropriate labeling of ISNA as an unindicted co-conspirator.

http://www.cair.com/AboutUs/urbanlegends.aspx

Bill.

You said: "Aside from the injustice that has been done to these law abiding citizens.."

They were found guilty. They are not law abiding. They are criminals.

You then said: "an injustice was done to the American constitution and people."

Hamas has murdered a large number of American citizens. If you want a list of them, go to the link at the end of the post. If you are prepared to read Azzam Tamimi's Hamas: the Unwritten Chapters you will get a grip on how their dawa work, training and military branches are all intertwined and interdependent.

Why exactly do you think that Hamas wants to run schools, other than to train the next generation of martyrs.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Terrorism/usvictims.html

A shameful case of fear-mongering - a tragedy for our American system of justice. We have been manipulated to do the bidding of hawkish foreign interests. In this case, the prosecutor's witness was allowed to remain anonymous.

If you thought facing your accuser was fundamental to our criminal justice system...to the ideals that American women and men have died for....ideals that inspired our foremothers and fathers to forge a proud revolution... you are confused and so am I.