I've received the following e-mail from my Dallas friend who quit his job at the store where he used to work, and who was the subject of yesterday's conversation. He's asked me to post this explaining his situation better. I encourage you to read it; it really does put the situation into a certain cultural light, and is a remarkable commentary on the debased times in which we live:
Hello, everyone. I am the friend that Rod was speaking about in his entry. It seems that there needs to be some important details to clarify what happened. I am a Christian, to put it simply. And while I have no problem talking with, being friends with, or working with people who are not Christians, I do have boundaries. Hence, I can work in, say, a liquor store but not a strip club; I can have a conversation with someone even if they're cursing like a sailor but not with someone who wants to talk about who they slept with, or who they're going to sleep with, over the weekend. My thinking is, if someone is not a Christian, then you can't expect them to act like a Christian. This implies toleration. Again, I have no problem with this. Please allow me to elaborate on this last point. If I may say so myself, I'm a cool person to work with. Case in point, at my former job I have a friend who is a professing non-practicing Jew and passionate anti-Christian, yet I have gone out with him to the local pub three times. We've talked about business stuff, politics and religion. We're friends. I have another friend at my former place of employment (different location), who I'll describe as a "wild child." He loves to go to strip clubs, get drunk, watch sports and go to rock concerts. I have hung out at his house and he has hung out at my house (with the understanding that there is to be no immoral speech at all). We've argued vehemently about abortion, and we've conversed pleasantly about the history and evolution of rock -n- roll (my favorite band is Dream Theater, btw). My social outlook as a Christian is not to beat people over the head with the Bible, looking for a potential convert, damning everyone to Hell. My approach is to offer genuine friendship, even knowing that the other person might not ever be converted to Christianity. My desire is to lay my life down for people, black or white, gay or straight, even knowing that they may not convert to Christianity. My hope is that at my funeral there will be a lot of people there who say, "He was the coolest Christian I ever knew." Alright, so what happened at my j.o.b.?
The way of life of nearly everyone working there, bosses and employees, simply became too overbearing for me. The topic of conversation everyday was immoral. More specifically, it consisted of language like, "I wonder what she looks like naked" or "She looks yummy" or "I want her and her mom" or "Did you see her nipples?" or "Just three minutes, that's all I need" or "Look, look, look that at!" or "Hey, check this girl out on my phone" or "Wow, I almost had to sit down after looking at her." These are just a few examples from some of the conversations. Men and women were a part of this, mostly men, though, and nearly all of them were between mid-thirties and mid-fifties.
Just to give you an idea of just how filthy the conversation could be involving the women, let me share the following story with you. On one occasion wherein an argument took place between two employees, both in their early fifties, one an open homosexual (and school teacher!) and the other a woman. The argument was about which one of them had given the most "blow jobs." On another occasion the same woman bragged about how the previous day she had been with three men, because the first two just weren't doing her right. Another woman, a former school teacher in her early forties, made it perfectly clear to me that she wanted to have an affair with me [N.B., the writer is married, and has children -- RD], although never explicitly saying it.
After being in this environment for a year I couldn't take it anymore. But please understand that I did not, and do not, consider the things that I've mentioned to be sexual harassment. With few exceptions, my co-workers, all of whom totaled about twenty, were not trying to upset me or make me feel uncomfortable. Nor did I ever get the impression that I was not welcome there. How, then, did I understand the situation?
I understand it as the way our culture is. When the security officer showed me a picture on his phone of a woman who was practically naked, I understood it as part of our socio-cultural make-up. When one of the "temps" told me he couldn't wait to get an iPhone so he could have pornography on it, I understood it as part of our socio-cultural make-up. When the assistant manager said to me, "Man, she has some pretty titties," I understood it as part of our socio-cultural make-up. When it was visibly obvious that my boss and co-workers were undressing (and perhaps more) women customers, I understood it as part of our socio-cultural make-up. When a different assistant manager bragged to me about he and his wife went out to a strip club with his brother, I understood it as part of our socio-cultural make-up.In short, I shook my head at them, kept quiet, changed the topic, went about my daily tasks, or walked away from the conversation.
The problem is not my former place of employment. The perfect customer service that greeted Rod every time he went in is proof of that. The problem is our culture, and it broke me down in the end.I called the human resources manager and told that it was time for me to quit. Of course she wanted to know why and I told her. She wanted to know specifics, people, languages, dates, etc. I gave a couple but told her that it was not a matter of a specific issue or circumstances; rather, it was the way of life of the everyone there. She understood and offered to transfer me to another location where perhaps things would be different. I agreed but was not ever contacted again. I tried on two occasions to contact her. to no avail. I even had the manager at the location of my choice contact her, but again to no avail. Next thing I know, I got my check in the mail.
I have nothing to add to this testimony, except to say last week, I was walking through a pharmacy and saw on the magazine rack an issue of Cosmopolitan. One of the headlines was: "Your Orgasm Face: What does he see?", or something close to it. It struck me that this culture is morally insane.

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In my experience in corporate America, this kind of unprofessionalism simply wouldn't be tolerated. Even though it isn't "harassment," it definitely creates a hostile work environment. Politically-correct offense-avoidance may go too far in the other direction, but it's hard to believe this sort of thing is tolerated anywhere.
You have described completely inappropriate behavior and language for any business setting. Part of the problem is that the separation of the personal and professional realms has broken down. I am not a conservative or a Christian but I don't see how this behavior can be condoned at all.
Jim, question -- what makes you think that Kepha's emphatic aside was referring to the shocking inappropriateness of a schoolteacher being gay, rather than the shocking inappropriateness of a schoolteacher being the kind of person who engages in filthy speech with his co-workers?
Clearly, the situation described by the poster was rampant sexual harassment. I'm in the Army, in a line unit. I've been deployed to a combat zone twice. You have to have thick skin and a good sense of humor, or you will be pretty miserable as a woman in the Army. Even so, there are certain lines which are not (usually) crossed. For instance, sitting around at a lunch table and commenting on the attractiveness (or lack thereof) of female personnel passing by is acceptable. Commenting on what, anatomically, you would like to do with each of them is NOT. Army people generally have a pretty high tolerance for risque and very dark humor. But if anyone (male or female) has an issue with the tone or topic of a conversation, they are expected to speak up and the other participants are generally expected to shut up.
As soon as you have created an uncomfortable and threatening workplace, you have crossed the line between camaraderie and sexual harassment. It's that simple. Good management would not have let things progress as far as they did.
What was described there is definitely sexual harassment. I encountered a situation like that, in academe. I also left, but stayed way too long first, trying to first be tolerant, then do something about it.
The occurrence of this varies wildly from workplace to workplace. That place I described - about 2/3 of my co-workers participated in the bad behavior. Where I work now - no one, at least ever in my hearing.
Kepha, I hope you find a good workplace, as I have now. And whatever you do, DO NOT BLAME OR SECOND-GUESS YOURSELF. This is the voice of experience speaking to you. Knock the dust off your sandals and move on.
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