Against talk-radio dogmatism
Mark Thompson, writing on John Schwenkler's new Culture 11 blog: [T]he problems [for conservatives] have not been caused by religious conservatives or adherence to free market beliefs, but instead by a sort of "talk radio" dogmatism in which any given...
Rod -
The passages below, from the article, highlight the reasons I left the GOP a while ago.
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The second effect is electoral. It is, after all, extremely difficult to vote for a party when, for instance:
* That party’s guiding lights, rather than make principled arguments for various "anti-terrorism" policies, insist on labeling your religion as "Islamofascism";
* Rather than make principled arguments* for stronger restrictions on immigration, you and your family are portrayed as foreign invaders seeking to destroy the country from within because of the Mexican flag hanging on your balcony - even as nothing is said about the Italian or Irish flag hanging on your neighbor’s balcony
* Rather than make principled arguments against gay marriage, you are accused of wanting to destroy your country’s traditions because you want legal recognition of your relationship.
* Those same guiding lights proudly promote, rather than simply defend, the use of words and phrases with a well-known role in oppressing you or your ancestors.
* Rather than make principled arguments against an auto bailout, you and your friends are accused of bleeding the American people dry
* Rather than make principled arguments for the use of force and/or for restrictions on civil liberties, you are accused of being a "Defeatocrat" or wanting to "let the terrorists win."
* And so forth.
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RINO is a pejorative term used by members of the Party of Jeff Davis to describe the remnants of the Party of Lincoln which, of course, is now nearly extinct. That's right, the great-grandsons and great-granddaughters of the original Republicans are 'RINOs'. As they say across the pond, that's rich.
The Right Before Christmas
Now, Ingraham! Now, Philgramm! Now, Graham, K-Lo and Zell!
On, Marksteyn! On Malkin! On Levin and Bozell!
To the Dem bums we’ll scorch! To the RINOs we’ll maul!
Now Rush away! Rush away! Rush away all!
With each but a nerd, they went straight to Judge Bork,
And hung up their bloggings, then barreled for pork,
And slipping their fingers inside of their ears,
And aping J-Pod, read “The Corner” for years;
They sang to DeLay, to his toe they were mistle,
While the Dems clover-leaf’d, as the shamrock o’er thistle.
But I heard them exclaim, ere they'd Rove out of sight,
“Barry Christmas to O., from what once was the Right.”
"The problem with this particular dogma is its all-around meanness."
Yes, yes, yes. Neal Gabler had a potent (and much-discussed) piece in the LATimes a couple of weeks back, in which he traced the roots of today's self-identified "conservatives" not to Goldwater, who was essentially a cowboy libertarian, with little interest in the private lives of others...but to Joe McCarthy. It's a very strong piece.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/sunday/commentary/la-oe-gabler30-2008nov30,0,3382760.story
The point is, today's Limbaugh-dominated GOP is not really for much of anything. But, like Nixon, it loathes its self-chosen enemies with all its being. This is a good strategy for winning elections, but all but useless for governing a nation.
The level of discourse in talk radio is depressing. Rush Limbaugh hasn't been fun since Clinton was elected and gave him a big, fat target to make fun of, thus distracting him from his real talent, making fun of the hard-left progressives, and making him think he actually had something to substantive to contribute to the national discourse.
Today's GOP is dominated by Grover Norquist's weekly meetings, and daily talking points memo, Limbaugh is a monkey on Norquist's string.
Pyrhho's history is to the point on this.
I have to wonder, if Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan were alive and involved today, how long it would be until someone labeled them RINOs too, for daring to deviate from the Party Line.
Absolutely dead on, Pyrrho. Thanks for helping me to better understand why I changed my party registration after voting Republican since 1976. We have a local talk radio @sshat here in the NW that cannot speak for more than two minutes without accusing somebody of being a RINO, and it gets old fast.
Reagan liked gays.
Reagan pushed, lobbied for, and signed Amnesty Legislation.
Reagan raised taxes - three times.
Reagan liked Hollywood.
Reagan signed, reluctantly, a pro-abortion bill as Governor of California.
RINO
Reagan, 1980 and Reagan, 1984 were my first two presidential votes.
If only Gabler had a stable connection to reality. I couldn't stand him on Fox News Watch because he didn't stop spinning. He claims that GHW Bush won on McCarthyism because of the Willie Horton ad? Nonsense.
To quote the RNC chairman from today (from here: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/dec/30/rnc-pushes-unprecedented-criticism-of-bailouts/ ):
"We can't be a party of small government, free markets and low taxes while supporting bailouts and nationalizing industries, which lead to big government, socialism and high taxes at the expense of individual liberty and freedoms"
Exactly right. Here in CA the "Governator" doesn't even talk with Republicans. After Dems have increased spending and Arnold helped paper over it in the last few years, the budget is finally busted. And it's the R's who are the problem because they don't want higher taxes?!?
Eddie, Reagan signed the amnesty on the condition that employers of illegals would get socked. That part wasn't enforced. That was an actual compromise, unlike the "comprehensive" garbage everyone spouts these days.
Mark Ping....
Um... Which part of "Reagan signed an Amnesty Bill" is inaccurate?
Well, Democrats do have a similar term, 'DINO', but it tends to be applied to 'Democratic' politicians who, in essence, vote the Bush party line in every way that matters. I.e, centrist-right 'Democratic' Congressmen. It's usually used in the context that there should be a primary challenge. (Re: Lieberman)
It's not applied to non-politicians, and no one is running around arguing what liberalism 'really' and saying they aren't that...they're saying DINOs are simply not far enough to the left to be 'D's.
This is probably because the left does know what 'liberal' and 'progressive' mean, even if they are often confused for each other, and can actually rank people in some sort of meaningful manner on left as to where they fall.
We sometimes debate over where someone does fall exactly, although we're usually pretty agreed on it. And we often disagree on where the ideal position is, how far to the left is where 'the left' is.(1) But, all things considered, we actually have a workable axis over here. Two, actually, progressive and liberal, although we just sorta add them together.
Unlike you guys, which seem to have three or four axis, which you've all named 'conservative'. I guess that makes it easier to remember, like naming all your kids 'Pete'. It sure makes it harder to talk about, though.
1) This applies to domestic stuff. We have no idea just what foreign policy is 'liberal'. As, like I said just a few weeks ago, neither party has a 'foreign policy' worth a damn, which is why the neocons were able to waltz in with a prepackaged one. It was full of suck, but it was a foreign policy.
Conservatism has 3-4 axises as DavidTC says, but I think that they are all only called the same thing in general parlance. As most people on this blog are at least a little interested in politics, they surely know the differences between neoconservatives, paleoconservatives, libertarians, etc. We have all heard of the "three legged stool" on conservatism. But the broadness of this movement/ideology/political philosophy includes not just McCarthy, Goldwater and Reagan but Mel Bradford, Richard Weaver, Russel Kirk, Lew Rockwell just to name a few.
However, part of the problem is the equating of Republican Party with Conservatism. While it may be the banner carrying party of conservatism, it is not conservatism itself. Which is in part why I don't see the term RINO as mean spirited as I guess some here do. It just seems obvious that if you are a Republican who consistently votes against your party, in some distinct way you are not really in line with that party. You may or may not still be a conservative. Isn't that kind of the impetus of Rod's book?
EddieinCA -I hope you know that there are people making principled arguments for those items you mentioned. Perhaps they don't make it into the limelight enough.
As far as Talk Radio goes, I think it has added to the public discourse. Not to the level of good in depth articles in well done magazines, or excellent books dedicated to a subject but worth far more that yet another sports show or sicking Bob and Tom type humor shows. Sure I sometimes get infuriated with Rush or Savage. I often think they are wrong or blinded by their own personal histories and current popularity. But on whole I am glad they are there and occasionally enjoy listening to them.
The talk radio types are entertainers of the paranoid style, not serious analysts, and it shows how bankrupt the GOP constituency is to consider them as any type of leaders. I can't listen to talk radio anymore, can barely even read National Review online, and can't vote republican anymore either. I don't think there is anything that can be done at this point; let the evolutionary dead end play itself out.
Re: Which is in part why I don't see the term RINO as mean spirited as I guess some here do. It just seems obvious that if you are a Republican who consistently votes against your party, in some distinct way you are not really in line with that party.
I don't have a problem when the epithet is used for people like Lincoln Chaffee. But when it's hung on John McCain or Charlie Crist it simply means "Republican politician the speaker dislikes".
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