"Jews, go back to the oven!"

Re: No jihad in America, huh?

200 blithering idiots in full rant mode does not a jihad make. That's like saying a Fred Phelps "God hates fags" demonstration is the equiavlent of an auto da fe.

Evidentially somewhere along the way these people forgot that there is one Creator. Why would a parent consent to having His/Her children fight like idiots for no apparent reason. There is much to be said for the Blacks in Amreica who were brought here against their wills, loosing over 100,000,000 during a crossing into a hostile land, captured by heartless individuals. These people are in America fighting each other...Can they go Home to fight one another? Can they resolve any dispute civilly? Or is America the new stomping ground? too bad the Blacks did not have the same privledges...How sinister to ask your oppressor for assistance.

Well, at least they're in public, shouting these vile things for everyone to see on national TV and giving other people a chance to rebut them or shout them down in the public square. That's what we do in America. We should give them as little respect as we would those creeps who protest the funerals of soldiers because they claim God hates gays or the half dozen or so yahoos who show up in hoods for the pitiful Ku Klux Klan rallys in the South. The majority of people know how marginalized people who hold these opinions are. It's what people are saying behind closed doors or teaching kids in the mosque that concerns me, though I'd have to acknowledge they have every right to say whatever they want there too.

But, yeah, I don't like Hamas either and I hate the way that radical Islamists view Israel and also the way they treat women and children.

Oh no! People of the Muslim faith are sometimes ignorant and cruel, particularly when angered over an emotionally-charged subject, and say things that they shouldn't say!

Thank God people of other faiths don't do that. Thank God no supposed Christian would say something like "We should bomb their countries and force them to convert to Christianity" concerning Muslim nations, after their own country had been attacked by Muslims.

And thank God we have Rod to point out this sort of valuable news to us.

What's that line from the Eagles..."you're still the same old girl you used to be."

Marty Peretz himself, in his post defends the right of the foaming lunatic Muslim woman to wish all Jews back to the crematoria. But defending the right to say it does not imply that saying so is unproblematic -- nor does it imply that we should be indifferent to the presence among us of people who believe and say such hideous things.

But the fact that Peretz calls them "immigrants" bolsters the sense that deportations could be appropriate for people who even voice support for orthodox Islam.

It is appropriate for non-citizens given the ideological threat. Shocking as it is to liberals, non-citizens have no inalienable "right" to be here. At any rate even that much commonsense isn't stated in Peretz's view. He's more looking at our idiotic policy of continuing to import this threat.

Of course, for you, Daniel, this is all a distraction from your favorite sport of hating on other Americans, particularly Texans.

It is appropriate for non-citizens given the ideological threat.

Of course, Peretz has no idea of the immigration/citizenship status of these protesters. By calling them "immigrants," it's easier to argue they should all be deported. But it ignores the fact that they may be citizens or that even their parents were citizens. Peretz seems traditional, cultural Muslim dress and assumes they are fresh off the boat, even if their relatives may have been here for a generation or so.

Just sad.

Islam is a problem and yes this is mainstream Islam. I am so G- damn sick of people of a certain ilk,telling us this is a small fringe. It is not true, Islam is not like any other faith, it is a total system, it is a political ideology wed to a religion, and no it is not comporable to conservative Christians. Various Islamic groups have engaged in approximately 12,000 terrorist attacks in which at least one person has died since September 11th. Sure there are crazy kooks in every religion, but still, something isn't right here is it? Why is that? I got an answer, and that is Islam, and now I know you that grates pious types,but it is true. The Qu'ran contains open ended mandates to war and all four schools of Sunni Islamic jurisprudence and and Shia Islam have a generally beligerant demeanor towards non-Muslims.This is fact!And don't go find some fringe weirdo like Irshad Manji to rebut me. Mainstream Islam is stuff like Ibn Kathir,and the Al Azhar,Ayatollah Khomenini and the Shia jurist at Qom. Even worse is the vast body of hadith and legal text. Islam teaches hate for the infidel,the end.And the Bible comparisons don't work, yes the Old testament contains some nasty stuff, but it is situational,and not intended for those outside the narrative,beyond fringe kooks, find me some mainstream Catholic,Orthodox,Traditonal Protestant,i.e. Lutheran or Anglican or Jewish exegetes that use the Exodus text,as justification to mass murder and conquest.Find me a Biblical equivalent of Surah 9:29. And the Crusades don't count,as at least in theory,they where an attempt at responding to unprovoked Muslim violence.

With out going into much more detail, I have personal experience with Islam, and I have studied it in depth. Lets just say, it is the only non-Christian religion, I have deep personal experience with. I am very sorry, but Islam poses some very deep challenges to us in the west, that cannot be white washed or wished away. For your sake and that of your children ditch the p.c. platitudes and open your damn eyes. It is perfectly reasonable to be concerned about Muslim immigrants and the potential dangers and challenges they pose without being a bigot. I generally have no problem with immigrants,but Islam is different and if you can't see or awknowledge that,you just may be a fool.

If they cross the line from angry speech to illegal actions, arrest them.

Until then, keep an eye on them.

What's the problem?

If they cross the line from angry speech to illegal actions, arrest them. Until then, keep an eye on them. What's the problem?

Because importing more of them creates a bigger constituency to support their "solutions", both legal and illegal.

@Derek Copold
Would you recommend that we also disallow immigration from countries like Germany, France, and the UK with large Muslim populations? Many of the Islamic terrorists that have struck Western targets seem to have resided in Europe at one point or another.

If you would recommend that, would you want to disallow all European immigration, or would you want to insitute some sort of formal religion test?

The idea of exclusion by religion misses the mark. Besides, it's a political non-starter. It's not WHO immigrants believe in that kills, it WHAT they believe in. Before leaving their own country, anyone who wants to live in the US should be prepared to submit to, and pay for, screening similar to that required of applicants for US civil service or military training, including a background check and psychological evaluation. Any prospective resident unable to convince immigration officials that they will support and serve the freedoms and obligations of US citizens should stay away.

I watched the video and was very upset by it. I have sent it to my contacts here in Florida that have been organizing peaceful protests for Gaza. None of us are Pro-Hamas so that label is incorrectly applied. We support the people of Gaza who are being murdered and injured by the ongoing bombing by Israel. Israel is not defending itself but have trapped 1.5 million people in a narrow strip of land without food, water, electricity and medical supplies for months now. Sderot was built on the ashes of a destroyed Palestinian village so Israel is defending what is not really theirs. Over 500 Palestinian villages were destroyed in 1948 and the residents of those villages and their children and grandchildren now live in refugee camps because they were not allowed to go back to their homes. Their only wish is to return to their land and live in freedom with basic human rights. This is also their right under the Geneva Convention. Settlements may have been removed but Israel continues to kill people in Gaza routinely - they control the land, sea and air and the people are trapped in a prison - unable to leave -

As a Christian I must stand up for the oppressed - Jesus said Blessed are the Peacemakers -

As a Christian I must stand up for the oppressed - Jesus said Blessed are the Peacemaker

Would you ever have thought to stand up for Jews when your co-religionists were crushing us under their boots for 15 centuries?

You say you were upset by the video and devoted one sentence to it. Then you devoted several paragraphs to a rant against Israel. Also extremely one sided.

Those bastards were talking about putting me and my children in ovens - American Jews. How much would you really stand up for us? How hard would you work to keep those people from putting us in those ovens if you knew we were unflinchingly pro-Israel?

Not real hard I'll bet.

"I'm an atheist."

Which explains your general hostility to religious liberty, it appears.

Which explains your general hostility to religious liberty, it appears.

Oh, nonsense. There's no right to immigrate. WE have the right to determine who we bring in, and importing muhammadans is, in the long run, hazardous to our liberty. See Holland. See Denmark. See Britain. See any of the 57 OIC countries. Equating immigration with some nebulous religious liberty is just so much mental masturbation.

Re: Islam is not like any other faith, it is a total system, it is a political ideology wed to a religion

At one time this was true of all religions, except maybe Buddhism-- true of Christianity and (ancient) Judaism, and certainly of Confucianism and Japanese Shinto.
The West introduced the notion of separating religion and politics into discrete spheres of activity 300 years ago after the religious bloodbath of the 16th and 17th centuries. The idea caught on (or more often was imposed by force) on many other areas of the world too-- most recently with the destruction of Japanese State Shinto after WWII. It has not yet fully penetrated the Islamic world (Turkey, yes; Iran and Saudi Arabia not at all) but I don't see any likelihood that Islam will be able to hold out indefinitely. There's a sort of natural selection at work in politics too, and societies that waste huge amounts of time, money and effort unproductively (and arguing or imposing theology by government is very unproductive, both polurically and religiously) tend to fail. Islam either reforms itself or it will go the way of the Bolsheviks.

This is all total nonsense. I thought this was a religious site but seems to be a racist one. No one hates Jews - it is ZIonism that is the problem and always has been. Jews are also at these protests - I have talked with them and they feel the same as I do. No one is totally American except for the Indians -all of our families came from somewhere else - mine came from England and France in the early 1600's. Muslims worship the same God as we do - they just don't believe Jesus is divine but will be when He comes again. I have many Muslims friends who are more Christian in their attitude than many people who are writing on this blog.

How is it our President's business? Many attempts have been made and pressures applied to bring peace to the region, to no avail. This is something they will have to sort out for themselves. The US is hated for being the world's policeman, and constantly criticised for not doing enough policing. We have enough problems at the moment within our own country, it's time to focus on us.

I am trying to understand: if a woman like this was killed or wounded - would it be considered as a "peaceful population casualty"? If one of 70 000 Iranian students who volunteered to blow themselves up in Israel was harmed, would we call him a “Boy, caught in a crossfire?”
I am trying to understand: how dos it happen that Israel blockade of Gaza prevents bringing there food and medication but doesn’t stop rocket launchers.
By the way – how much one of those may cost, and how much food and medication this money could buy?

http://www.tv.social.org.il/medini/stv-aza-oferet-3-1-09.htm

Oh Willie, is any part of your big bleeding heart cry for innocent Jewish civilian and particularly innocent Jewish children who afraid to sleep at night for several years, because of Hamases’s bombs could go to their beds any minute? Or because Jewish place in the oven any way, they don’t deserve any right to protect their innocent children?