Mother-in-law in the White House?
Paging Ernie K-Doe! President Obama's mother-in-law is moving into 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue with him. : Marian Robinson, Barack Obama's mother-in-law, will be living with the first couple at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, the transition confirmed today. Robinson, 71, was a regular...
Speaking of Ernie K. Doe, we may need some serious Senate-confirmation hearings, in the event the President-elect's wifey-mama bears out the lyrics from his "Mother-in-Law":
I come home with my pay
She asks me what I made
She thinks her advice is the constitution
D'oe! - Homer J. Simpson.
President Obabymama, meet Ralph Kramden and Fred Flintstone - and try to hide your smile every time you see her pack her suitcase...
This has the makings of a Norman Lear - style sitcom.
Joking aside, I think it's a wonderful thing that the Obama daughters will their grandmother at hand.
The President-Elect said:
"Well, I don't tell my mother-in-law what to do. But I'm not stupid. That's why I got elected president, man."
Smart man. That's why I voted for him.
My comment on the Neuhaus thread where I criticized you, rationally and without slander or personal meanness, disappeared into cyberspace without comment. I continued to check back to see if any of my comments or those from others who thought you did wrong there would persuade you of your error -- instead it seems to have persuaded you to delete posts and shut down threads.
Will this one disappear also if I say including this picture is not funny but blatantly racist? I'm hard to offend with off-color humor, but this is both bigoted and humourless. I mean, could there be an easier shot than a Jeffersons reference?
Oh, lighten up Lisa. If anything, the henpecking mother-in-law stereotype is sexist rather than racist, and the Mother Jefferson character is just one example among many. But it is meant as a joke, and it's funny and if this blog needs anything after the last couple of days, it's a little humor. Rod, maybe you should replace the picture with Fred Flintsone's mother-in-law? :)
I'm in two minds here--on the one hand, Insane Kitten is right and we could use a little levity around here. On the other hand, how does a culture where contempt and dislike for the wife's mother is a given fit with the oft-stated crunchy ideal of extended families working together? Suppose Rod and Julie needed a helping hand, and Julie's mom (assuming she is living, which maybe she's not) came to stay for awhile--would he then reward her care by making fun of her and comparing her to Mother Jefferson? Speaking as a grandmother and mother-in-law, I would hope not!
This woman has put her own life - yes, you of the 40-year-old persuasion, women of Marian Robinson's age do have our own lives, whatever your fantasies to the contrary - on hold to be a maternal presence for her granddaughters. (Their parents have arranged to be rather busy, and the only other alternatives I see are either that these girls in effect raise themselves, or that some hired person does so.)
The humor in this self-sacrifice rather escapes me. I too think we need more levity here, but I don't think making fun of selfless devotion is very funny.
I can't think of a better thing he could have done to make certain that his children - who are very close to their grandmother - have a degree of continuity in their lives.
I don't expect much levity, given that most of the topics Rod tackles involve human status for people who differ from the conservative norm.
But Rod does have a sense of humor and it doesn't hurt to see it come t the fore every so often.
My mother likes my partner, thank goodness. She doesn't like my brother's choice and, believe me, every mother-in-law stereotype in the book gets played out at our house, right down to his name on the list of who gets the Waterford...
Mother's want the best for the children and anyone who hurts them is in for a nasty time of it. Fathers-in-law get the role of being the nice guy and grandpa, women, as usual, end up with the responsibility.
Glad to see the president-elect disavowing the nuclear family model.
Lisa: My comment on the Neuhaus thread where I criticized you, rationally and without slander or personal meanness, disappeared into cyberspace without comment. I continued to check back to see if any of my comments or those from others who thought you did wrong there would persuade you of your error -- instead it seems to have persuaded you to delete posts and shut down threads.
I wasn't aware that I'd deleted your post on the Neuhaus thread; I thought I was only getting the Diana Kamer ones (you'll notice there are a lot of comments remaining there that are critical of me). I shut the thread down because Diane was trolling it, and I'm going to be too busy today to monitor that thread. I might get back into that thread and restore your comment, but given your attitude, I'm disinclined to take the time.
Will this one disappear also if I say including this picture is not funny but blatantly racist? I'm hard to offend with off-color humor, but this is both bigoted and humourless. I mean, could there be an easier shot than a Jeffersons reference?
Oh brother. One thing I think we can all count on these next four years is that any time somebody makes a joke about the Obamas, there will be a tinny chorus of dreary nannies who stand up to shriek, "Racist!"
Lisa,
I can't know, of course, but Rod and Erin both suffer me to post many, many things which not only disagree with them philosophically, but also, on occasion, rationally.
If Erin, who is as far away from me on just about every single possible issue as two intelligent, sane people can get and still have a dialog doesn't edit me, I can't imagine you suffering the dreaded censor.
Here's a list of what does happen to my posts, and the work-arounds I've found. Maybe this will help.
One - the stupid 'gotcha!' still doesn't work about one-quarter of the time. I have even taken to making screen shots and asking other people what they 'see'. We all agree, but the interface, which decides, does not. Solution: First, I complain about it to Rod, Tony and Steven constantly. Second, I make a copy of my post before hitting 'post'. Third, I stick around to see if the nasty thing has actually worked or not - sometimes it chews on your gotcha! just long enough to make you think it worked, only to fool you.
Two - the 'your comment will not be lost' or however that message is worded is false witness. That horrid thing gets stuck on previous posts, parts of previous posts, elements of other text from completely different programs...and, best of all, previous versions of the current text I am attempting to post. This is also a reason to make a copy and check. Thinking and posting in two different languages at once, my work always needs editing to be (hopefully!) understandable.
Three - if you even look cross-eyed at your browser while it is checking the gotcha! and uploading your posted text, you lose it. At least on this computer it does. I sit there, with hands quietly folded (above the desk for those pervs. out there who only have one thing on their minds) and wait. And wait. And wait, some more. Eventually, the system deigns to say yay or nay. Since I am running a T1 line here, I don't think the delay is on my side...
Perhaps Rod and Erin could consider letting us know when they have censored or killed a post? Not necessarily why, this is their blog, but just, given the nastiness of this interface to save us and them the nuisance of multiple attempts.
Oh, haven't mentioned it in a day or two: Rod, this interface is awful, could you do something about it, please?
Thanks Panthera. This stupid Captcha system, over which I have zero control, makes it easy to inadvertently have "Your Name" show up as a comment to one of your posts (it happened to me yesterday). If, as happened yesterday, I sign on after being off the site all day, and find several e-mail messages from readers telling me that a notorious troll from the early years of this blog was back, and that I needed to take care of the posts on a certain thread, it's hard for me to be as discriminating as I wish I could be when I tackle the problem -- especially when the troll in question has a habit of using several pseudonyms. I suspect I read Lisa's comment yesterday in a rush, saw "Your Name" as the poster, took it for one of Diane's barrage, and unpublished it. Anyway, it's my policy to leave up posts critical of me that don't turn unduly personal. If I'm going to criticize others, I should be willing to take it.
As for the rest of it, my stars in heaven, if it is impossible to make a cornball mother-in-law joke without aggrieving folks, we're in for a long, long four years.
"Suppose Rod and Julie needed a helping hand, and Julie's mom (assuming she is living, which maybe she's not) came to stay for awhile--would he then reward her care by making fun of her and comparing her to Mother Jefferson? Speaking as a grandmother and mother-in-law, I would hope not!"
Sig, I'm usually with you 1000%, but this seems unfair. He was trying to be funny. And anyway, I'm betting it's Rod's mom who is the force to be reckoned with when it comes to protecting her little boy.
All humor aside, I applaud the First-Mom-in-Law for her choice.
A leader needs more contact with reality than sycophants and political climbers can offer. Surrounding oneself with flattering mirrors, as the Current Occupant has done, is not good for the nation.
We can presume that the soon-to-be Prez's mother-in-law in not overly impressed with him or trying to get ahead by pleasing him.
When you see the two of them together, it's also clear that Mrs. Robinson and her son-in-law are truly fond of each other. When he took her hand and brought her to the front of the stage after his acceptance speech, it was clear that there was great love and respect there.
Daniel at 12:03--LOL! You're probably right. And it's true that my mother-in-law inspires the wish to reach for my commando hat and the C4 and booby-trap all approaches . . . so perhaps I don't have standing to criticize. ; )
Looks like that other comment did fall victim to the system, I'm sorry to have implied otherwise. I'd think it generous of you if you had the time if you would delete all references I've made to it, should you wish to.
I posted under my own name, so if the only deleted posts were those with uncertain authors clearly mine wasn't removed intentionally and I apologize. It seemed to go through without a hitch from this end, and since it was a negative appraisal and the thread was being edited soon after, I made assumptions I should not have made.
For the record, a blogger clearly has the right to make whatever edits he wishes on his own site, I simply took issue with the idea that POVs were deleted without any readers knowing, which would give a distorted reading of the comments as a whole. Clearly I was wrong, and I am sorry. Please don't bother looking for a lost comment even if you get the time, the content wasn't important at all.
As for my attitude, that I choose to keep. There's lots of things I'd change, I wish I had more humility and more prudence, and didn't jump to conclusions. But my attitude, that's my baby. I ain't dumping her. I've heard it said that men are best served when they leave some space for listening to women with attitude.
And I do not believe every joke made about a black man or family is racist. That's become such an easy dodge. I worked with a woman once who went on about a certain kind of nut that they used to call "N... toes", but, she mourned, you can't say that any more or someone will call you a racist. . .
If the show "The Jeffersons" (which was brilliant, by the way) had been about a family of Puerto Ricans or Irish, would you still have posted that picture? If you can honestly swear (in your head!) that you would have, then I'm all wet and just projecting my own dark side on you.
Oops, there goes my attitude again.
Thinking back, the automated message I received after posting that comment was that it was being held for approval by the blog host, which probably contributed to my conclusion jumping. I know better, systems like these run on automatic, and that probably was just an indication that there was a glitch somewhere.
Oh, you did peg me on that tinny, dreary nanny thing.
Hey Lisa, please notify me when the Chorus of Tinny, Dreary Nannies meets to practice their anti-racism songs. I'd like to sign up. I have a feeling there will be much need of some impromptu a cappellas from us during the coming years. : )
Comedians actually do not seem to be making mother-in-law jokes as much as they used to. Though I'm not sure the replacements--prison rape jokes, for example--are much of an improvement...
She looks more like Aunt Esther from Sanford and Son sitcom. (Loved that show). I'll bet that Obambi reacts to her a lot like Fred Sanford (Redd Fox) did to Aunt Esther.
Lighten up Lisa!!!
Back when I took hunter safety training, we were taught that the most dangerous thing in the wild was a Texan with a gun (this was in one of the Rocky Mountain States, if you aren't from there, you won't get it. Well, after the last eight years, maybe you will - and if you don't, you probably think Rod is a far-left Marxist).
The second most dangerous thing was a mother anything with young. Complete with pictures of what was left of hunters after being mauled by mama-bears and mountain lions who felt their young had been threatened.
I can't imagine why a mother should automatically stop being a mother the moment her child marries.
I teach at the post-secondary level today, but did my student teaching with 12-15 year old children. I remember very clearly my reaction the day we found a drug dealer on the school grounds. The only reason he lived to be tried was the cops got there before the 60+ 70lb. grey-haired Latin teacher could get to the glove box of her car.
I wouldn't have been that nice, but only found out when the cops arrived. It was hunting season and in those days we all had gun racks.
The feeling of protectiveness towards one's charges I feel as a teacher is an echo of what mothers feel.
Still, it would be nice if we could all find a way to laugh at things without getting hyper-politically correct.
Yes, I think laughing at things is good. Your glove box story had me laughing out loud.
I'm just not all that into laughing at people, especially when it seems really, really, really about them being black. I don't think that's hyper-politically correct.
The Obama's have two things in common with the Jeffersons -- they are black, and they are someplace some white people don't want them to be. But the "sassy, uppity black" stereotype does not ring true in any way with the Harvard Obamas. You want to compare Sarah Palin to the cop in Fargo? I'll laugh at that. Similar sort of cadence, similar attitude, there's some humor there. Want to make Texan jokes about Bush? Texans have their own culture, several actually, so make a gun rack joke and I'll laugh. But the only real thing the Obamas have in common with the fictional Jeffersons is skin color, and, well, a mother in law. They are not poor blacks who scraped their way into upper middle class capitalist society while never leaving behind the sensibilities they developed in the "ghetto". How about comparing Michelle Obama and Wheezy? Wouldn't Barbara Bush match "Weezy" better?
I won't say anyone laughing at the joke (or even making it) is a bigot, because not everyone thinks things to pieces like I do. But consider it for a bit, putting that joke out there reflects a racial prejudice in the whites of this country that "black" is ONE group of people. Look at the character on 30 Rock called "Twofer", that's a funny joke with racial aspects to it because it is specific to an individual and to a cultural type. There are two black characters on that show and there is racial humor all over both of them. But you can't interchange the jokes between them.
On the other hand, maybe that one thing -- being black somewhere black people aren't supposed to be -- is enough to make the comparison humorous. Maybe I am being too touchy. Guess I'm just getting a bit tired of everything about the Obama's from every side having to have a racial component, we can't even make a MIL joke without it being a black MIL joke. I think it's going to be a long, long four years.
I think it is utterly cool that the First Children will have their grandmother with them in the White House. But then, I've never understood MIL jokes, since my husband's mother, may she rest in peace, was so good to me, and also because most families I know don't exactly have MIL problems, they have one set of parents that neither of them gets along with, and another set that they both get along with. Is this the wave of the future?
I thought it was funny too. More importantly, I think it is wonderful - the next big trend is likely to be "family consolidating housing" - by absolute necessity, as foreclosures and job losses increase. Besides being good for his kids, Obama is pointing out here that this can also be good for families. I can't think of a better message to undercut the half century of narrative that says "everyone needs their seperate houses - family sucks."
Sharon
She took them to school, to piano lesson and dance lessons, cooked their meals, ran their baths and got them to bed on time. She was a critical part of the family’s effort to keep the girls’ lives as normal as possible in the midst of extraordinary times.
But Mrs. Robinson is also deeply rooted in Chicago. She still lives in the house where Michelle Obama grew up. And she has often expressed ambivalence about the notion of moving to Washington.
“I’ve never lived outside of Chicago, so I don’t know,’’ said Mrs. Robinson, hesitating a bit as she considered last year whether she was willing to move into the White House. “In the end, in the end, I’ll do whatever. I might fuss a little, but I’ll be there.”
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