Crunchy Con

Prop 8 and too much information

Monday January 12, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality

Here is a Google map that allows you to find your way to the homes of people who donated money to Prop 8 in California. It's damn creepy, is what it is. What could possibly be the use of this kind of information, presented in this way? It's intended to intimidate people into not participating in politics by donating money. Do that, and you'll end up on some activist group's map, with hotheads being able to find your street address on their iPhones.

If I were any of these people, I'd be scared right now -- especially if I lived in San Francisco. And given the attacks made on Prop 8 supporters, I doubt very much I would ever give another dime to any campaign that would get me on some gay activist hate map.

The thing is, I don't believe that donors to political campaigns should be anonymous. It's just never occurred to me that people would take that information and use it in such a way as to pose a public threat to private people.

You might be thinking: those haters deserve to be outed. But think about how this same technology can be used against gay folks and gay-marriage supporters in parts of the country that aren't inclined to support gay rights. Would you want some gay-bashing group to post to the Internet a map to the homes of contributors to a pro-gay marriage initiative? Isn't that an invitation to bash the queers in their houses, just as this is an invitation to bash the homophobes in theirs?

What happens if there's another Islamic terrorist attack, and some vigilante group posts a Google map to the homes of donors to CAIR, or other Muslim causes? Do you think the small-town Muslim doctor who gave $25 to CAIR will benefit from having his name on such a map? To the contrary, it will discourage him from giving money to any organization or political cause that could bring violence or opprobrium upon him from "activists." You think the small-town teacher who gave $50 to the Human Rights Campaign will do well by this kind of threat against them being legitimated by gay-rights activists doing it to Prop 8 backers in California? What if a Muslim group angry over the Gaza War posted a map to the homes of people in your town who gave money to AIPAC?

This isn't a case of the truth setting people free. This is a case of information in the hands of hotheads chasing people out of the public square in fear for their property and their personal safety.

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Comments
Kevin Davis
February 15, 2009 10:02 AM

I left out South Africa. You can marry your same-sex partner there as well. When you leave the U.S., don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

N Waff
February 15, 2009 4:59 PM

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= SEW AN "8" ON ALL PROP 8 SUPPORTS
= JUST LIKE THE ANTI-SEMITIC NAZIS
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The anti-Prop 8 crowd are getting to the point where the will require that all Prop 8 supports have an "8" sewed on their clothing so that everyone can identify the Prop 8 Supports. Then, businesses can reject them, citizens can harrass them, employers can fire them and on and on.

This anti-Prop 8 movement is just like the Nazi labeling of the Jews so the anti-semitic culture can easily spot the supports and exercise their hate against their Prop 8 supporter targets.

Your Name
February 20, 2009 5:16 PM

Prop 8 supporter,

"African Americans did not choose their race or ethnicity."

Let me assure you that homosexuals do not "choose" their innate, natural, unchangeable attraction/orientation either.

"why should 4 activist judges be allowed to overturn the will of the people?"

The CASC judges were doing their job - namely, to determine the Constitutionality of laws. The previous law was determined to be UN-Constitutional because it contravened the equal protections clause. The "will of the people" is often wrong - just ask the Lovings.

"Activist judges" - hmmm, ya mean like the one that chose W. to be yer "president"?

Get a clue.

Your Name
February 20, 2009 5:28 PM

Kevin,

"WHY has marriage been between a man and a woman since its origin?"

Um, you seem to have forgotten the frequent 1 man + several women model that is found throughout the Buybull.

You also forgot the 1 white man + 1 white woman model.

"The design behind marriage was for couples to get together and have their union sanctioned by the government and/or religious group and create a family."

which explains why non-procreative heterosexuals are allowed to marry.

"I'm not aware of any two men or two women who are capable of pulling this off."

Procreation is not a requirement of marriage. Never has been either, to my knowledge.

"The most popular form of gay sex is clearly against nature"

Let me assure you that gay sex is entirely natural - if you're homosexual. Hey, maybe that's what the Buybull meant when it warned against turning from the natural to the unnatural - heterosexuals tryin' out somethin' that wasn't natural - for them. (aka "lieing with a man as with a woman" - homosexual men don't lie with women in any manner. QED.)

"If you don't like it, the 2.3% that allow it are Canada, the Netherlands, Belgium, Norway, or Spain. Have a nice trip. [And] South Africa. You can marry your same-sex partner there as well. When you leave the U.S., don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out."

Nice "chirstian" sentiments there. But you also forgot the U.S. Gay marriage is legal in 2 States, and will be re-instated in both California and Iowa (yes, Iowa - look it up). And soon to be New York, New Jersey, Maryland and likely New Hampshire and Vermont.

Hey, anyone out there remember the old Full Faith & Credit clause? Gay marriage is coming to America in toto. Get used to it.

Your Name
February 20, 2009 5:31 PM

"Then, businesses can reject them, citizens can harrass them, employers can fire them and on and on."

Gee, N Waff, that sounds exactly like how gays have been (and still are) treated in America. Don't you believe in the Biblical premise of doing to others what you would have done unto you? Seems like the Buybull belters are getting theirs back in spades.

Tuff.

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Rod Dreher is an editorial columnist for the Dallas Morning News, and author of "Crunchy Cons" (Crown Forum), a nonfiction book about conservatives, most of them religious, whose faith and political convictions sometimes put them at odds with mainstream conservatives. The views expressed in this blog are his own.

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