Stunningly good, I thought. And has anybody ever prayed the Our Father at the Inaugural? Warren is now the new Billy Graham, no doubt about it.
Rick Warren's prayer
Tuesday January 20, 2009
Categories: Barack Obama
Filed Under: Rick Warren
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Thanks, Max.
Speaking of tellinng lies, Max ...
"Again, the inability to distinguish between love and sex"
I spoke only of love. You bring sex into it. Trust me, I know the difference.
"Of course all men should love all men, it's just this old idea that love doesn't justify sexual contact.
Love your grandma?
Love your dog?
Love your neighbor?
Great. Just don't get all jiggy with 'em."
Again, trust me, I don't. Nor do the vastly infinite majority of human beings, gay or str8. We can differentiate between love and sexual contact. It seems it is the likes of you that constantly wish to blur those lines. Yet you insist you do not compare our relationships to beastiality.
"Like comparing gay relationships to beastiality, pedophilia, "marryin' a plant" etc. is somehow not demonizing (or dehumanizing, diminishing, demeaning) gay people?"
I would love for you to post/link-to VERBATIM examples of this, but I'm incredulous that they would be as sweeping as you would have.
I mean, gay relationships (to the degree that the are occasioned by sexual activity) ARE somewhat similar to having sex with animals, grandma, toddlers, etc.
But then SO are heterosexual relationships occasioned by sexual activity.
The similarity?
Sexual activity. Not to mention the old buggabear of being objectively disordered (with the exception of SOME/NOT ALL heterosexual activity).
So what?
If anyone claims that homosexual sex is morally and/or even conceptional equivalent to sex with dogs or toddlers, well, that's just wrong and stupid.
However, I can't remember anyone on THIS blog ever doing THAT.
So again, I would love to review examples of what you claim. I'm sure proper examples of what you describe exist, but doubt that your sample would be restricted to those exclusively.
Your name,
Here's the comment (your's?) to which I had responded:
"I won't presume to speak for "z" but perhaps he was speaking metaphorically. Maybe Mr. Warren doesn't physically bar people from the doors of his church, but his church refuses to allow "unrepentant homosexuals" into membership.
Not a grand deal of difference in the long term.
Besides, it's pretty hard to 'repent' of loving someone, especially since to love is Christ's only commandment.
(I realize that some/many conservatives refuse to believe that gay people can and do love, but that's is a problem for and of the 'right'.)"
****
Now, I know this is hard for some to understand, but YOURNAME claimed that LOVE was the issue in a discussion of a church not approving of "unrepentant homosexuals" for membership.
Now what exactly is an "unrepentant homosexual" if not someone who embraces as a moral good homosexual activity?
The post from YOURNAME (you?) clearly equated opposing homosexual sex as an opposition to love between men.
That usage of love restricts "love between men" to mean embracing homosexual sex.
If that was not your intent, please say so.
In any event, love between men can mean so much more than anything related to wanting to have sex. And that was my point.
You imply that I'm telling lies. You would please be specific.
What lie did I tell?
Lieber Max Schadenfreude,
here is a quote from you, from this thread:
But of course, these are just facts, and we all know that a screaming child can rarely even grasp factual reality. If he does he just screams more because of the incovienence of reality.
end quote.
I even left your typo in.
You are very good at playing semantic games and you delight (nomen est omen) in twisting facts and statements around just enough to make life a living hell for those who desire a conversation.
For you this is all an exercise in viciousness. For homosexuals, it is a matter of human rights. Every week in the US, at least one gay or transgendered is raped, beaten to death, tortured and or all of those, sometimes including murdered.
Because you have no biblical or Christian basis to oppress us, you have to resort to other means.
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