Women under Islamism

Robert, to be precise, you're disagreeing not with me, but with Dr. Jasser. I incline to Dr. Jasser's side on this, but I want to know more details about the alleged killer and his views before coming to a conclusion. The killings just over a year ago in Dallas of two Muslim teenage girls were undoubtedly an honor killing (their Muslim father disappeared after the double murder, and hasn't been seen since). It emerged afterward that their father was known for raging against his girls and accusing them of being decadent. I recall several years ago sitting at a lunch with a prominent Dallas Muslim leader, who said that what we Westerners consider to be violence, Muslims like him consider "deterrence." He was speaking of beating women and the like.

It could be that this was "mere" violence. Or it could have a religious and cultural context that ought to be explored. But you won't see the people in my business doing that.

Yes, that worked out very well for the Brits in the long one. Won the war on that one, they did.

Elisabeth Anne: Yes, that worked out very well for the Brits in the long one. Won the war on that one, they did.

Well, in fact it did work out. Britain lost India as a colony, but suttee remains illegal. It still happens, occasionally, especially in rural areas--but this is true of all proscribed actions. For all their faults, seems like the Brits did it right on this one.

This was not an honor killing. I wish that people, including you Rabbi, would stop perpetuating that erroneous speculation. MO Hassan was married before to a non-Muslim woman, and had two children with her as well. He divorced the first wife without killing her. He was not a religious Muslim. Bridges TV was nothing more to him than an oppertunity to make money. He did not fast or pray as is required in the religion. HE often said that he did not miss Pakistan, or wish to visit. He was very Americanized. What this was is an example of is his rage, and domestic abuse... not an "honor killing." I know all this becuase I used to work there. Leave the religion of Islam out of it.

"In my own community, a Catholic beheaded his infant son. "
an aberration. How often do we see that happening? How likely is it that Catholics regularly kill their daughters/wives for dishonoring the family? Not too often.

Regarding "suttee", yes it remains illegal. Not only that, but it's illegal to encourage one, to 'glorify' one, or to pray at the shrine of a woman who committed one. The British were dead right about wiping it out, along with many other oppressive cultural practices of India (for what it's worth, I'm of Indian ethnicity).

Oddly enough, given the topic of this post, the Muslim rulers of India (who were, for the most part, a nasty, decadent, brutal and oppressive bunch) did make some efforts to stamp out suttee in advance of the British (probably reflecting the Muslim prohibition of suicide). Probably one of the few good things they did.

"Probably one of the few good things they did."

Well, the Taj Mahal is pretty nice too...

While there is a great deal of irony to this crime because of the relationship between Islamic extremists and horrific actions such as beheading, what if the perpetrator were a secular humanist, a Buddhist, a Catholic, or a Jew? This is a shocking action, but it does not necessarily have anything to do with the man's religion.

Goodness, Elizabeth Anne, I'm the last person around here you should apologize to for being glib!

I was just wondering because I was pretty sure that India had gotten the burning widow thing under control.

My main point, of course, was that if Islamists keep trying to do 'honor killings' we'll keep on executing them - at least in Texas.

The lack of attention to this killing has more to do with her skin color than her husband's religion. The press ok we stories of dead or missing white women and girls; brown and black women, not so much.

Re: Or do you suppose Latin American is a paradise for women? How about Russia?

Don't be dumb, Robert. There is no comparison. No comparison.

Or are you seriously telling me you would rather be a woman in Jordan than in Peru?

Hector, good points. It is also worth noting that in India (populated largely by Hindus, Sikhs, and Christians) there is a much more stable democracy than there is in Pakistan (99 percent Muslim).

R Hampton, you are absolutely right about the conservatives’ coziness with the Saudis. This is one reason that I refuse to knee-jerk support Republicans. The Bushes are among the worst.

Daniel, you are entirely correct that the color of the deceased female is critical to how much media play it gets. What I (and perhaps others) would like you to understand is that the religion of the male partner is equally important. If this were a Pentecostal preacher, it almost certainly would have gotten some air time. The saying is: “If it bleeds, it leads.” But this didn’t lead? Why not?

I suspect that, deep down, in places most of you don’t talk about--and perhaps won’t even admit to yourself--you know what the truth is.

Dr. Jasser is profoundly wrong when she argues that the threat to women in Islam is from extremist zealots. They are not the threat. Islam is the threat. Across the world, the Muslim people who engage in honor killings, beheadings, stonings, floggings, mutilations, child sex dressed up as mariage, - these are ordinary Muslims going about their ordinary lives, according to the ordinary doctrines of this hideous religion.

It is beyond doubt that Islam, through the Koran, requires all of its believers to pursue a course of murder and mayhem until every unbeliever is either killed or totally subjected to Islam. This is so with the single exception of the Jews. The Koran states quite plainly that in the case of the Jews only total annhilation will do. The suras of the Koran proclaim a woman to be stupid, devious, no more than property. Sura 4:34 allows a husband to beat her into submission. Sharia allows her to be beheaded or mutilated if she persists in brining shame to her husbnad or father. These doctrines are widely and overwhelmingly accepted. Finally, the doctrine of Taqiyya allows a Muslim to tell any lie necssary to advance the victory of Islam. This includes lying about the contents of the Koran and the Sharia laws, if necessary. These lies account for the ludicrous insistence that Islam is a religion of peace.

What is to be done? Oppose Islam. Those who endorse its tenets should not be allowed into the country. Educate yourself to the real doctrines of Islam and oppose them at every turn.Instist that the press report the umerous honornkillings that take place on AMerican soil. Our democracy is at stake. A woman lies dead on the floor, decapitated because of two hateful doctrines- the doctrine of Islam and the doctrine of political correctness.THe remedy is relentless truth telling and commitment to preserve and promote a free and compassionate society. If we standup to the vicious oppression of Islam, then Aasiya Zubair will not have died in vain.

I had the same thought this morning, I read it on page 15 of my newspaper. Just a column.
Why isn't the media running with this?

Ohh,,,, because its the religion of peace.

They should make "While Europe Slept" part of the curriculum in College.