David Wilkerson and prophecy

We can take them all seriously - as long as we stone the ones whose predictions don't come true, per the Old Testament. Enforcing that might shut a few of these people up. (Be that as it may, I'm inclined to believe what we're experiencing right now is the Greater Depression).

Well...
It doesn't seem like such a long shot, does it. I mean, all it takes is a few more Dave the repairmen to get just a little angrier, and think that something productive could actually come of it. On the other hand, you can never go wrong by predicting massive unrest: it will happen, eventually.

Either way, I'm glad I don't live in the Sprawl.

I remember David Wilkerson from reading his book, The Cross and the Switchblade. It was a good book, from what I remember from so many years ago. He didn't seem overly sensational, as I do have a bit of a charasmatic radar, personally.

I think the way to handle this prophecy is to check how accurate he's been in the past. Someone would have to research what he's said beyond the 9/11 thing.

In the Old and New Testaments, God's judgment is part of His mercy. He chastens those He loves. People get hysterical whenever someone says that a tragedy or a trial is judgment for sins; if they're Christians (e.g. Jerry Falwell), they often try to argue that a national trial is a blistering judgment on somebody ELSE's sin. But I think what we're supposed to do in any trial is examine ourselves and see what God is trying to teach us through a difficult time--discipline and blessing are always mixed up together.
And now, brethren, you are dismissed with God's blessing...

I don't know anything about Wilkerson, but I think Joel C. Rosenberg has some definite relevance to current events. He'll tell you himself that prophecy is a big guessing game, but as the writer of Epicenter and The Last Jihad series, he gets a scary amount of stuff right in his published material. A nutshell of his suggestion is that the Ezekiel (ch. 38-39) war is brewing - an Arab coalition led by Russian/Iranian forces attacking Israel. Things aren't lined up 100% quite yet, but a lot of variables have fallen into place in the past couple years, so it's worth some consideration. For example:

- Iran and Russia are cozying up and sharing weapons technology
- Iran has threatened to destroy Israel and is potentially within months of having a nuke
- a number of other Arab nations have taken part in some kind of action (or support of) against Israel
- worldwide anti-Semitism is on the rise, especially in Europe
- the obvious problems with the U.S. economy
- there is an explosion of Christianity in the Middle East
- the ancient city of Babylon is being excavated and plans to rebuild it are in process

According to Rosenberg, all of these things are key factors in the time before the Ezekiel war. And, if you look at the personalities involved, we now have an increasingly apocalyptic mindset in the religious leadership in Iran, as well as a more strong-defense-minded Netanyahu poised to take over in Israel.

Perhaps most significantly for us is the fact that the U.S. will play no significant role in this war, at least not that the Bible indicates. The question we must consider is: why? He posits two theories - one is that America will become irrelevant because the rapture will take place first (thus removing a huge swath of the population and sending everything into chaos for those that remain behind), or that we'll suffer an economic depression that renders us unable and/or unwilling to participate.

Rosenberg's theory connects a scary lot of dots. Given the current circumstances, I think it's something that one cannot refuse to consider. His website is: http://flashtrafficblog.wordpress.com/

As it has been observed above, prophecy is, by definition, impossible to nail down. Regardless, it is up to us to live daily in the Word and have faith in God...if we do that, we'll be prepared to handle whatever happens. No one knows the time or day it'll all happen, but we can control our own daily routines and decisions.

Interesting topic!

Regarding the veracity of proposed prophesy, the first thing I would want to know is whether the "prophet" is a dispensationalist. If he is, then I wouldn't listen to another word he says.

It was Tuesday night in Time Square Church in New York City a few weeks before 9/11. I can remember it like it was yesterday as I sat in the balcony watching in utter stupefied amazement as a hushed silence overcame the congregation like a thick fog. The usual agenda was: one hour of praise and worship followed by a one hour sermon but this time was it different. Instead of praise and worship, the congregation of more than a thousand sat silently and spontaneously began to pray punctuated only by an occasional gasp and groan emanating from different parts of the theater. It was both eerie and utterly breathtaking. Finally after more than an hour, David Wilkerson got up and slowly made his way to the podium, but he could not speak. After a few minutes, which seemed like hours, David Wilkerson uttered these words (I am paraphrasing): “I feel a strong present of the Holy Spirit here among us tonight. I cannot speak. I can only say that the Holy Spirit has burdened me to say that something terrible will happen to New York City and it will happen imminently. We can only pray. All activities at the church will be put on hold until further notice.” I walked out of the church that night feeling a little numb thinking: “that was the most specific prophecy I had ever heard and either David Wilkerson will be a laughing stock or he will be proved right.” A few weeks later and on a Tuesday night I again found myself in Times Square Church but this time I was trapped in Manhattan and could not leave the Island to go home to New Jersey. It was 9/11 and David Wilkerson turn out be right, deadly right. Sitting in the balcony again that night I thought to myself: “miracles are all around us and we hardly notice them but when we do we easily dismiss them. We are all so jaded from listening to idiots claiming to be prophets that when we do finally see the real thing we can hardly even notice it.” True or false, I would not brush off this latest prophecy. Talk in cheap, listening is hard, action is still harder.

- a portfolio manager on Wall Street, 03072009.

"Nobody," that's pretty interesting, and it called to mind what I saw on 9/11/02. I walked from Brooklyn down to the WTC site, where police bagpipe bands were converging from all five boroughs to begin the ceremony marking the first anniversary of the attacks. There was, of course, a big crowd gathered down by the Hole. We were all kept on the perimeter by the fence; only dignitaries and family members of the dead were allowed onto the site. It didn't matter; it was important just to be there.

At the minute when the first plane had struck the north tower, a fierce gale blew out of the same direction from which the plane had come. It was incredibly strong; hats were flying everywhere. On the site, they began the ceremony. I was writing about it all for the next day's National Review Online, so I began moving around the crowd, taking notes on the scene. The wind simply never stopped. It was freaky. Mind you, a cold front had been predicted to move in that day, but how strange it was that it moved in at the exact moment the ceremony started. I phoned Julie back home in Brooklyn to check in, and she said one of the network news anchors on the scene described the wind as "Biblical." I would have done the same.

At some point I made my way over to Trinity Church Wall Street, where the Archbishop of Canterbury was preaching a sermon. The crazy wind was still blowing outside when I went into the church. During the service, the sound of bells could be heard from the nearby Hole -- the signal that the final names had been read (it took several hours). When the Trinity service ended, we all left the church, and the winds had gone. I guess I'll never know if the winds stopped when the bells pealed on the site.

It was hard for me to believe that bizarrely powerful and sustained wind was only a coincidence, but then again, that's the kind of person I am. I will say, though, that a friend who had walked from Brooklyn with me down to the site early that morning, but went home before the wind started, was startled to discover when she got home than an antique small American flag she had framed under glass had split down the middle. She couldn't swear that it hadn't torn before that morning, but she thought it must have happened while we were out. Eerie, that.

Thanks to Rod and others who have commented, including "Nobody" at 11:14 PM (Sat.), and who have provided eyewitness testimony from the Aug.-Sept. 2001 period in NYC. I live in NYC, and I have special reason to take all of this very seriously.

BTW, in the link which Rod provided, Wilkerson mentions the value of having a 30-day supply of non-perishable foods and toiletries.

Definitely something to sleep on (even if we have one less hour tonight). Pray tonight, and take action in the morning.

Mad Jack -

Thank you for your comments. Regarding Wilkerson's prophesies--I was referring specifically to the one in this discussion. Tom G in TX wrote, "Wilkerson has been predicting this for 40 years."

I think that prophetic messages cause us to reexamine our lives, and then realign it appropriately (at least it should). I know whether or not Wilkerson's word comes to pass, I have paused this evening to take some personal inventory and ask God what I need to be doing differently.

Nobody (at March 7, 2009 11:14 PM) and Rod -- those were really moving stories.

Rod, as requested, I'll hold my tongue on this. Just one question: I understand the point you're trying to make and the question you're trying to raise. I just wonder if there's a way you could have done so without giving this particular person (whom you claim not to take seriously) a wider forum for what he's saying?

I'd say there are three questions here
1) Does God speak through prophets. Yes.
2) Does America deserve divine wrath. Yes
3) Is Wilkerson a prophet? Maybe

I have my doubts that God with use a schismatic protestant to speak through but I have no doubts that God does speak to us through prophets and visions, as the above poster notes in the case of Fatima, which is only one among many.
I also have no doubt that future generations will spit out the name "America" as we now spit out "Nazi". Our offenses against God cry for vengeance. It will happen eventually - today, tomorrow, next year, 20 years... I don't know but someday.
The problem with prophecy is it can only be fully understood in its fulfillment.

just wanted to caution you to be careful about his predictions based on his poor track record of prophecies:

I wrote this a few years ago:
Subject: James Sundquist article on Dave Wilkerson's River Vision

http://rock-to-salt.cephasministry.com/sundquist_versus_wilkerson.html

Past false prophecies of Dave Wilkerson by Tom Riggle:
http://www.geocities.com/asterisktom/wilkerson.html

James Sundquist
Director
Rock Salt Publishing
http://www.voiceoftruthradio.com/james.htm

Re: But the thing is, I do believe, as most Christians believe, that prophecy is real.

Of course. But prophesy is NOT seeing the future. It should not ever be confused with a visit to an astrologer or a tarot card reader. Prophesy is delivering a message from God to the world. That may of course include warnings about the immediate future, but in the main the message will be about contemporary matters. But one should beware of plain old occultism masquerading as religion.

Re: 2) Does America deserve divine wrath. Yes

No, because God is no respecter of nations. One might though say that Americans, along with the rest of humanity, are deserving of divine wrath.

Dear Mr. Dreher:

You ask: "how do you know when to take a particular prophecy seriously, and how do you know when to disregard it?" to this question there is an answer. There is a method for making prophecy. The best, shortest description of it is by Thomas Henry Huxley in a short essay called "The Method of Zadig." which you can easily find on the internet. The logic of it was fully explicated by Charles Sanders Peirce as abductive logic. The most fun description of Peirce's logic and its application may be found in Umberto Eco and Thomas Sebeok, The Sign of Three: Dupin, Holmes, Peirce. This will give anyone a basis for evaluating prophecies and the bases on which they are made.

It's been said that when you talk to God it is called praying; however, when God talks back it's called schizophrenia. Personally, I don't lend any credence to modern day prophets.

In talking with Russian immigrants I'm struck by how common place the experience of prophecy is and how it has guided them and got them thru some really tough times- of course we can't go there because we have experts and talking heads that are all the smartest guys in the room , God talking to a peasant well we just can't have that.

I have a personal answer, Rod, with all the usual caveats that go with subjectivity: I firmly believe that Jung had it exactly right, and that we all have this subtle connection with each other that surfaces at the "oddest" times. That you used "collective unconscious" in your last post prompts me to ask if you meant it in the Jungian sense. I certainly view it that way.

I always hesitate over the logical progression from "can know the future" and "future is determined in advance." This will look like semantic quibbling, but I'll throw myself on the mercy of all those speculative fiction authors who've blazed this trail and with almost one voice have proclaimed that human grammar is just not adequate when talking about time. Whovians know this very well. ;-)

One materialist view comes straight from Einstein: the math permits time as a negative function. That it has no practical or possible application simply means that we are thinking ahead of ourselves, something humans seem to have as an instinct.

Anyway, one more comment on these lines: the reason I refuse to second-guess is that the "telegraphing", as you elegantly put it, comes with no guarantee that those reading the message will understand it, let alone convey it accurately to others. I remain skeptical as a default. I will be sympathetic to a preacher/pastor/minister (for example) when it is easy to see his or her sincerity and there doesn't seem to be an attempt to profit from the propheting, as it were, while panning the umpteenth reinterpretation of Nostradamus or Edgar Cayce, for the same profit/prophet aspect.

Rod, you asked about whether this could be a "real" prophecy from God, but didn't tell us you meant "empirical." Empiricism is beside-the-point if you're talking about a prophecy from God. You might re-read (or read) the Book of Jonah. Pay special attention to the way things turn out.

Test every spirit. Even the devil can predict the future.

Jesus himself in Matthew 24 (read the whole thing) And you shall hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places.

"See that you are not troubled." Repeat: "See that you are not troubled."

The test of prophecy from the Holy Spirit is the fruit of the Holy Spirit. You judge a tree by the fruit it bears.

So if Wilkerson's prophecy has caused you, Rod, to turn again to God and in your prayer filled you with peace, so that "you are not troubled," then you have your answer. And if it simply fills the voyeuristic urge to get all worked up about what might happen, then it's just a distraction from the really important stuff.

Don't be distracted, not even by those who claim to be speaking in the Lord's name.

You know that Pat Robertson that we all (myself included) like to laugh at? Well near the end of the first Iraq War when General Swartzkoff wanted to follow Huessain into Syria (I believe it was) to "finish the job" so to speak, the UN would not allow America as a sovereign nation to make its own decision and refused to allow him to enter. Bush the First agreed to abide by the UN's decision. I can remember hearing Pat Robertson say "God Told Him" that if the US did not do as "Stormin' Norman" wanted and attack Syria now it would come back to bite America in the a-- (my words, not his). He was looking deeply into the tv with those angry little eyes of his, it burned into my memory.

I remember thinking this guy can't be right. Why is he just trying to keep the war going? What in the world would make us ever go fight in that place again? And yet look, here we are. Even though Obama announced the ending of the war in Iraq Part Deux, I don't consider sending troops to Afghanistan an end. Hold on to your hats. Just sayin'

Prophecy can properly be understood as the communication of divinely revealed truth, not merely as prediction of future events. It's about people learning the nature of their reality, not a carnival trick of revealing the future.

When considered in this light, I'm surprised that Christians aren't more concerned with divine revelations they've already received and acknowledged to be true, rather than with vague fears about an unknown future. Here's a revelation Christians have already committed to believe: Micah 6:8. He has told you, O man, what is good; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God?

Or here's another one--First Corinthians 13:2. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.

Or what of this one--straight from the horse's mouth, as it were: This is a wicked generation. It asks for a miraculous sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah. I always took this to mean that no more signs and prophecies were needed, after Jesus had come. You have his teaching. You have the words of the one you believe to be the son of God--words which, after 2000 years, you have not yet taken to heart or put into practice. Under those circumstances, what could you possibly stand to gain from the words of some other preacher?

Yet another pretender who wants to buck up his followers using the "God is punishing America" nonsense, in an effort to bypass their reluctance to mix religion and politics.

Sadly, that's the devil's work.

Nowhere in history or present does mixing religion and politics work. It ends up being the devil's playground. That's because there is no politics of Heaven. God does not play our politics, rewarding a nation for electing the "right" politicians. God is in control of whatever He wants to be in control of, nothing we can do will change that, nor alter His plans.

Sally,

Yup.

Jon,
"No, because God is no respecter of nations"

(Assuming you believe in the bible) I am pretty sure that the people of Sodom and Gomorrah all met their fate together. Just as God's saves through community...the Church (and the Jewish people in the OT). Communities also stand for things which can result in judgment. This idea that we are all autonomous individuals that are "saved" by our autonomous selves is more a cultural reflection of the enlightenment than it is Christianity.

this prophecy if you can call it that, all it does it instill fear in people, this what ever you call it recession is God's doing but I am not sure its his wrath, where is the exhorting, comforting and encouragment in this so called prophecy, for propheticbulleting you should of put a disclaimer on it saying that its not necessarily from you I got even fearful and that is NOT from God after listening to another prophet i got encouraged by this prophet not from david wilkerson saying, i know he is a good man but you should of discern first this saying from him then put a disclaimer, this saying only will drive non- christians away from God not drive them to HIM

Jon,

I said community not nation. This in no way infers that people are dammed due to ethnicity, which is a straw man that comes out of nowhere. It does infer that when individuals come together to form communities those communities take on principles that stand for something. Sometimes those principles lead towards salvation, sometimes toward judgment.

I have no doubt that all of humanity is under God's judgment but individual communities/countries can take on judgment as well.

The Old testament is meant to prefigure the new. As the old covenant is replaced by the new. Thus the new covenant is with the Church as prefigured to God's covenant with the Jewish people. The Bible refers to the Church as the "Body of Christ" not the bodies. Jesus prayed "that they might be one". It seems fairly straight forward to infer from this that the Church as a community does have a spacial role beyond the individual in the economy of salvation.

Just have to point out (and this has been discussed before) the article from the New York Times that appeared ON 9-11-2001, with all these experts pushing the idea of embryonic stem cell research. That was around the time Bush put a hold on the idea, limiting the federal reserach to "existing lines" only. ALSO there was to be a conference on the subject on that day, Tuesday 9/11/01 in Washington D.C.

In light of Obama lifting those restrictions on Monday, 3/9, it DOES give one pause.

I am not so sure that modern day prophecies focus on sexual and personal greed sins to the exclusion of others. But let's take up the assumption that it may be true that these sins are mentioned more often (I'd like to see some kind of analysis of this question though)

There were plenty of Christians pointing out the evil of Jim Crow and the related oppression, and how it was contrary to God's will. That was the center of Martin Luther King's message, which was prophetic in that it was based on an application of Christianity to social realities of our day. And the whole theory of non-violent resistance was to make manifest and irrefutable the violent and un-godly motivation and foundation of Jim Crow.

When evil is manifest in itself, there seems to be little need to point out the obvious through special prophecies. But we live in a time when "good is called evil, and evil called good" - when people are so deceived about the nature of human sexuality as is true today, then perhaps we need a bit of a "wake-up call". Similarly with regard to consumerist society that urges continuously growing needs that are never satisfied, and encourage us to be greedy and self-centered.

Fifty million abortions in this nation since 1973, and each of them a hidden tragedy that we can so easily ignore, all the while some people celebrate "choice" as a constitutional liberty, and call sexual excesses a "freedom" instead of the slavery it truly is. People starving around the world, and our country focused on which incredibly unnecessary luxury is the next most important thing we must go into debt to obtain. It's crazy.

Nonetheless, that doesn't mean these are necessarily the worst sins. All sins are terrible. Perhaps it's just these tend to be the hidden trap that people need to be warned of, and those that the most seem to be the most tempted to fall into.

Just a couple of questions? Why did Pastor Dave loose his credentials with The Assembly Of God Denomination? I think it was at the same time in 95 that he got a DIVORCE and was found to be having an affair with a single lady in a Church in Maine. Dave is another Jimmy Swaggert looking to up his personal financial state. I'm sure he is checking his 401K!!!! Check it out with the A.G, Springfield Missouri

The bible says in Psalms 33:12 that blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord. Is America putting God first? We need to repent before it is too late. I felt this warning in my spirit this past September and it has not gone away.

Uh, Jon.....David Wilkerson has never beed divorced, he has been married to his wife Gwen for like 50+ years. If you do not like what he says than critique that, but do not make up lies. You show your ignorance.

I don't know if he's right or not, but I know a man who said God told him "that death was coming," and I have reason to believe that man.

Though you may not have considered it, Fatherlessness is one of biggest causes of why things are the way they are right now in America. Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: 4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

The curse comes because of alienation.
Family courts are routinely alienating parents from their children and so they too are also under the judgement of G-d. Remember, Jesus saved his strongest criticisms for who? the legal establishment - lawyers and doctors of the law.

google Carol Rhodes, author of "Friend of the Court, Enemy of the Family" and Stephen Baskerville's "Taken Into Custody" to see how the system is now become an auschwitz for families.

Wilkerson wrote a book called "God's Plan to Protect his people in the Coming Depression". He mentions the NY fires. He says he also saw 500 fires in the middle east before Saddam set all those oil wells ablaze. I'm not 100% sure about all of his prophecies, since someone here posted what were supposed to be others of his that didn't come true, but there have been other people who've seen visions of coming calamity here in the U.S., even in this year. So I would not completely discount this. I've heard an economist say there would be another big financial collapse here later this year. It could be associated with this prophecy. Financial collapse= chaos. Not entirely unlikely.

Just a last comment. I wonder if Jonah's contemporaries accused him of being a false prophet when Ninivah wasn't destroyed? It's only when people or nations don't repent that prophesies of destruction happen. And as someone else pointed out in these comments a prophet can be warning people for decades before what is warned about occurs. Noah, Jeremiah, almost all the prophets really, warned people for years before the calamities occurred. I for one hope that Wilkerson's 'prophesy' does not happen because people turn back to God.

the system is now become an auschwitz for families.

Good heavens. I didn't think this thread could get any sillier, but it's happened! It seems family courts are now gassing people and stuffing them into ovens. OMG SRSLY!!11!!

Another prophecy pundit predicting doom. The Bible says to test prophecy. If it doesn't come true, you're a false prophet and not to be trusted. While this one is general, Wilkerson's other prophecies have not come true. So that makes him a _______ ________ (you will in the blank.

I have followed D. Wilkerson's ministry for 35 years. I have read most of his books. Bro. David is a man after God's own heart. He is not a perfect man, but he is a man of that lives right before God and man. He life has proven his committment to his Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. He founded teen challenge. The most effect drug rehab program in this country and many other countries. He believes in the power of God to deliver and set men free, which I believe what is taught that Jesus did, and can still do for those who believe that he is the "SON OF GOD". I do not put much confidence in a lot of people because I have watched the religious circus that has gone on on christian TV and in many churches for years. Bro. David does not beg for money like most of the TV celebrites does. He trusts the Lord to supply the need of the ministry. Look at fruit of his life, and you will understand that he IS a man of God. Not a perfect man, but a Man of God. I have seen him make mistakes, but he has always acknowledged his mistakes. He has never lifted himself up or made himself anything but a man called of God to do God's work. He has suffered many personal struggles, but has remained faithful to God and his calling on his life. I would listen to him if I were You. If he is wrong, nothing is lost, but if he is right, we could be very sorry that we did not heed his warning from the Lord! I know enough about the man that I choose to listen!

Hmm, first, if you think prophecy is bunk, stay away. Then in the next breath, how about a materialist explanation, all those materialists who have been told not to bother reading this thread? Bit of a contradiction there, Rod.

But, on another note. I won't weigh in on whether prophecy / fortune telling / precognition / (fill in the blank) is real. What does strike me is that it is overwhelmingly, utterly USELESS.

Maybe Rev Wilkerson foresaw 9/11. Maybe Franklin did too, and a thousand other people. So what? None of them prevented it from happening.

Or take the Fatima example offered above. Did it stop WWII? No. Did it stop marxism-leninism and the Cold War? No. Did it stop the assasination attempt on JPII? No. So what good was it, exactly? What was the point?

Can anyone supply a concrete example of a prophecy that actually did some good. That averted a disaster? That saved lives that would otherwise have been lost? Technically, I suppose, that would mean that the prophecy did not come true and was therefore a false prophecy. Catch-22. But it should not be too hard. Just something like "There is a fault in Containment Section22A of the BlaBla Nuclear powerplant. Plug it or millions of people will die". They check it out, and indeed there is such a fault. Millions of people do not die. But they certainly would have done if the prophecy had not been made.

Give me some good examples, people (and if you have next week's lotto numbers, please contact me by private mail), and then we can talk about prophecy. Until then, SO WHAT?

How can anyone take Wilkerson seriously? Look at all the nonsense he published in the 1970's. He's on the same level as Hal Lindsey and Elizabeth Clare Prophet - he just keeps selling books and refusing to take responsibility for his fear mongering.

I'll also point out that false prophets who have their followers living in fear for so long create a psychologically unhealthy situation and have a very negative effect on the lives of many, especially children unfortunate enough to grow up in these cults.

"Give me some good examples, people (and if you have next week's lotto numbers, please contact me by private mail), and then we can talk about prophecy. Until then, SO WHAT?"

Class Qlown, did you know that on 9/11/2002 the winning numbers for the New York Lottery were 9-1-1? That is too weird!

Bob:

So it is weird. Several thousand people are still dead. Something that happened a year later is not exactly a prophecy, is it? Did someone prophesy it? No? Keep your eye on the ball, Bob. We are talking about prophecy. Prophecy means predicting something in advance, not finding something weird afterwards.

Still waiting for an example ...

Jon
March 8, 2009 9:08 PM
Just a couple of questions? Why did Pastor Dave loose his credentials with The Assembly Of God Denomination? I think it was at the same time in 95 that he got a DIVORCE and was found to be having an affair with a single lady in a Church in Maine. Dave is another Jimmy Swaggert looking to up his personal financial state. I'm sure he is checking his 401K!!!! Check it out with the A.G, Springfield Missouri.

Jon- your comments are erroneous and bordering on slander.

David and Gwen Wilkerson have been married since 1952. Wilkerson never "lost" his credentials. Wilkerson was a minister with the Assemblies of God and began Teen Challenge, a ministry that is still affiliated with the AG. He continues to have a relationship with the Assemblies of God (Hdqrs in Springfield, Missouri), speaking last year at the 50th Anniversary celebration of Teen Challenge. He also has spoken at their chapel service at headquarters and has been a speaker at AG conferences. He is not a minister with the Assemblies of God denomination, although he has been, but that is due to his choice of being independently related to the AG rather than as a credentialed minister within the denomination.

It helps to get the facts before you hit the "post" button and spread lies about other people.

Or how about the sudden shorting of airline stocks shortly before 9/11? Was that a prophecy? Or, was it just another case of simply being smart with your money because a good investor knew it was a sure thing after an event such as that?

This is very interesting. First I went to his website to check up on exactly what they believe and everything checked out and agreed with the Bible. I did this because like the author I had no idea who Mr. Wilkerson is but judging strictly from what he says he believes on his website I believe that he and I will one day be walking and talking about all this in glory. So, I have to say that though I believe Wilkerson to be saved by the blood of Jesus I have never been to his church or heard him speak so I also cannot take his warning very seriously as to run out right now and stock up on 30 days of food especially since I live 100 miles from NYC in south jersey though I do live 15mins from Philly. I do on one hand believe in all the prophecies of the Bible but have no idea how to take Godly men and women on their word. But I do believe we are in the last days before Jesus returns judging by the signs such as increased hostility towards Israel, a slow acceptance of world wide governance, and a general hate for the things of God. So if something were to happen in NYC I wouldnt be surprised all that, all that would mean is people will start taking the tracts I hand out more seriously. But I did ask the Holy Spirit whether or not any of this is true and he will reveal it to me and anyone else that wants to know because he cares for us. I think that if we could attend a service where he issued this warning and the spirit of God was moving we maybe able to better determine whether this warning was truly from God or not but I am not worried about it people still need to know about Jesus and I am still telling them and waiting for our redemption which with every second draws closer and closer.

Could someone post a synopsis of the http://www.geocities.com/asterisktom/wilkerson.html site? It seems to be down now.

Bob:

Firstly, that's Mister Class Qlown to you.

Secondly you can repeat these urban legends if you like, but that is not prophecy. Prophecy is someone proclaiming knowledge about the future acquired from a supernatural source. Bring evidence. You know, facts. Data. Not vague suppositions and "how-abouts".

Have any of these people who were "warned to stay away" come forward and been identified? I would be fascinated to read an interview with one and I hope you can give me one. Then, who warned them. The Holy Spirit, or just some people "in the know"? Is the concept of prophecy getting through yet?

well, I'm signing off for the night, so you can have the last word if you like. Be well, kiddo.

For clarity's sake there are two "Jon's" on this thread. One has posted about Pastor Wilkerson's personal life, the ther (me) had a discussion about individual salvation.

Mr. Class Qlown, that's exactly my point. I think if you looked at the current world situation that ANYONE making prophecies of riots and destruction would have a fairly good chance of being correct. At least there is probably a better chance now than at any other time in recent history. If the economy actualy does turn into a depression as opposed to a recession, things such as this would not surprise me. That was the point of my posts. Is he actually giving a true "prophecy" or is it just a pretty good prediction of what would not be a shock if it were to happen? By the way, I'm not making any claim that he is correct or not. I really have not the slightest idea. I think he's a good man who means well, but apparently he has a history of predictions that have not come true and that makes me wonder. But again, I don't know his heart.

Mr. Class Qlown, lol, nice comment about the "urban legends." Lol, do you also believe in the tooth fairy and that Oswald really was the "lone gunman?" :) If you're going to bed right now and are actually gullible enough to believe in the magic bullet, then I feel like I should warn you not to turn your tv on. You might be gullible enough to fall for those get rick quick scheme infomercials that come on at 3 in the morning!

I have read and reread David Wilkerson's 2 books "The Vision" and "Racing toward Judgement" over the last 36 years and have found they have predicted events accurately. I even wrote dates on the pages when events occurred as he had said. I also recommended these books to Christians to read for comfort, because he quotes scriptures that are written to Christians so we don't lose heart when these troubles come upon the earth. In the book of Daniel, God told Daniel the future, not to put fear in his heart but to comfort him, and assure him God is in control and in the end after Satan has deceived many,Jesus will return and the Jews also will realize that the suffering Savior that died for mankind's sin was indeed their Messiah too.

Wilkerson has been right on if you have ever read his book.. Set the Trumpet to thy mouth. It was written in 1985 and everything in the book has come to pass or is now coming to fruition. There are not too many Pastors today that will say it like it is who will NOT compromise the Gospel. Many so called Christians today worry about being P.C...saying its OK to be a Christan and be a homosexual, to live in sin with someone, to preach a watered down gospel. No not even tell their neighbor about Jesus etc. They desire the things of this world more then a relationship with Jesus.

The Church is asleep. To quote Keith Green..The world is sleeping in the dark That the church just cant fight cause its asleep in the light.How right he was and is. For those of us who call ourselves Christians,we will WILL be held accountable. God is a holy God and demands holiness in our lives and like it or not judgment IS coming. Do you have enough oil in your lamp? or did you let it go dry?

I have been listening to David Wilkerson for 30 years. He knows the voice of the Spirit. When he began a ministry to drug addicts, he was laughed at because there were not many addicts at that time. Now the Teen Challenge ministry that David began is helping literally thousands of men to get off drugs. David Wilkerson is a man of God and I beleive he hears from the Lord. If you choose to do nothing with David's prophecy, then do not cry when it comes to pass. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!

I know little about Wilkerson but know the Bible well and read the Biblical prophets frequently. When I hear a prophecy I look to see how it matches Biblical prophecies. Here are guidelines I use.
1. Does it mention and bring honor and glory to Jesus Christ? This one does not.
2. Does it offer hope and grace? This one does not.
3. Does it provide a clear reason for coming judgment, convicting of specific sins? This one does not.
4. Does it issue a call to repentance? This one does not. The call action is “Wilkerson urges everyone to stockpile a 30-day supply of food and other necessities to deal with the catastrophe he foresees.” This is flesh. Why a call to shrink back and not to step up in boldness to cry out for mercy? Abraham heard of doom coming to Sodom and he interceded, he didn’t stockpile sheep and head to a cave to watch God’s judgment.

Past experiences of a prophet should be noted for accuracy.
Here is a review of David Wilkerson's visions.

Prophetic Ministry (Source) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Wilkerson

In 1973, Wilkerson claimed to have received a vision regarding the future of the United States and subsequently gave a sermon on the vision and published a book called The Vision. Wilkerson believed that God had revealed to him a great calamity which was going to befall America due to increase in sins such as homosexuality, sexual promiscuity, and greed.

Some of the details of this 1973 vision were:

"Worldwide recession caused by economic confusion"
"At most a few more fat flourishing years, and then an economic recession that's going to affect the life style of every wage-earner in the world. The world economists are going to be at loss to explain what's happening. It's going to start in Europe, spread to Japan and finally to the United States."
There will be a move toward a worldwide, unified monetary system. The US dollar will be hit bad and it will take years for it to recover.
The only real security will be in real estate (until a somewhat later stage, at which point this apparent security will also disappear).
"Nature having labor pains"
Environmentalists will come under heavy criticism.
There will be major earthquakes.
There will be a major famine.
Floods, hurricanes and tornadoes will increase in frequency.
"A new kind of cosmic storm appearing as a raging fire in the sky leaving a kind of vapor trail."[2]
"A flood of filth and a baptism of dirt in America"
Topless women will appear on television, followed by full nudity.
Adult, X rated movies will be shown on cable television. Young people will gather at homes to watch this kind of material in groups.
Sex and the occult will be mixed.
There will be an acceptance of homosexuality, and the church will even say that it is a God-given gift.
"Rebellion in the home"
"I see the new number one youth problem in America and the world as hatred towards parents."[2]
"A persecution madness against truly Spirit filled Christians who love Jesus Christ"
There will arise a world church consisting of a union between liberal ecumenical Protestants and the Roman Catholic Church, using Christ in name only.
There will be a hate Christ movement.
There will be a spiritual awakening behind the Iron and Bamboo Curtains.
Others
There will be another wave of riots.
There will be a fall in moral conduct.
There will be a new drug that will be popular with teenagers that will break down resistance and will encourage sexual activity.
Homosexual and lesbian ministers will be ordained and this will be heralded as a new breed of pioneer.
There will be nude dancing in church, but this will never be widespread.
There will be occult practices in churches.
Since then, Wilkerson has continued to produce prophetic books, all predicting economic disasters, food shortages, rising crime, and ultimately, destruction for the United States. He urged his followers to store food, water, and medicine for a coming disaster in the late 1990s in a book entitled God's Plan to Protect His People in the Coming Depression. Wilkerson has faced increasing criticism from many sources, many of whom voice concern that the threats of upcoming disasters have led many of Wilkerson's followers to take preemptive action that they later regretted. His most serious utterances are reserved for the dire state of the Church, in particular, the church in Western nations. He predicts that the Church in Asia and Africa will flourish greatly, but under severe, if not dire circumstances. Other material that he has written is very critical of the so called "Faith movement" in which he identifies many doctrinal errors, some serious enough to place the practitioners in a very serious position with God. He identifies many of the problems that genuine Christians have as a direct result of exposure to these types of movement.

Wilkerson had his chance to prove he was a prophet above but failed.

He continues to have visions:

PROPHECIES (Source) http://www.geocities.com/asterisktom/wilkerson.html

1. NO MORE GOSPEL ON TV BY 1999?
He preached this in the Solomon Church in December of 1994:

"Right now I sense in my spirit that in less than 5 years there will be no more so-called gospel television networks. They will all fall into bankruptcy and absolute ruin."

2. 1000 FIRES IN NEW YORK CITY DUE TO RACE RIOTS IN 1993?

From a prophecy of September 7, 1992:
"I have had recurring visions of over 1,000 fires burning at one time here in New York city. I am convinced race riots will soon explode! New York City is right now a powder keg-ready to blow!...federal and State Welfare cutbacks will be the spark that ignites the fuse. Next year, New York City could have over 100,000 angry men on the streets, enraged because they have been cut off from benefits....Federal troops will have to move in to restore order. New York City will have tanks running down its avenues....Churches will be closed for a season because it will be too dangerous to travel about. Fires will rage everywhere."
Although Wilkerson set the expiration date of this prophecy himself - " Next year" (i.e. 1993), he now says that this is yet future. This is a common expedient for those who assume themselves to be prophets, moving the goal-posts, hoping that others will forget by then.

3. FINANCIAL CRASH IN 2000?

On April 15 of that year, Wilkerson prophesied this:
"For the last two years I have been crying aloud, warning all who would hear that America is receiving her last call and that judgment is at the door. I did not say this was the end of the nation, but the last call before a financial crash."
"I am writing this letter to you on Saturday, April 15, 2000. I have on my desk the headlines in yesterday's paper: "BLACK FRIDAY - BIGGEST ONE-DAY DROP IN HISTORY." The Dow fell 618 points - the Nasdaq fell 355. I do not know what is coming in the next sixty days. If the market bounces back, I can assure you it will be temporary. THE CRASH IS INEVITABLE - NOTHING CAN STOP IT."

To his credit, he admitted his mistake after the non-event, after the market instead of crashing, reached a record high on May 22 of that year:
"In prayer, I have told the Lord I am ready at any time to confess I am wrong - that I must have spoken from my own fears or that I have spoken unadvisedly. Recently, when the market reached record highs, I wondered if those calling me a false prophet were right."
He admits that he was motivated by fears when he gave this warning. I am not advocating that we kick a man when he is down, or that none of us are human. It is good that he admitted his mistake. But let me ask you this: When times get rougher than they are now, do you want to consult a prophet/teacher who is motivated by fears the next time he says "Thus says the Lord". I don't. We need to tear our eyes and hearts away from all authority figures and look to the Bible. If we listen to teachers and preachers, it must be the same way that the Bereans listened to Paul and Silas - with open Bibles and a determination to use them intelligently. In my mind, Wilkerson has already lost credibility by his mis-prophesying.

Deuteronomy 18:20-22: (Source) http://www.xanga.com/asterisktom

'But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.

And if you say in your heart, "How shall we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?" -

"when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing that the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him."

Notice these points:
1. Whether the prophet speaks in the name of the true God or not is not the sticking point.

2. Verse 21 speaks right to the perplexity of many people today in regard to David Wilkerson, and those like him. ("What if he is indeed a true man of God? What if I am fighting against the Spirit of God?") These are the very hesitations I had at one time about Mr. Wilkerson. But here is the key,

3. If the prophet prophesied things that do not come to pass - and Wilkerson has done several already (see previous article) - then we are assured by God that person has spoken presumptuously.

He has not heard from God.
He is not speaking for God.

We do not need to be afraid of him (that is, entertaining nagging doubts that he is speaking God's message.). Why? Because he does not pass the test for a true prophet. We need, rather, to be afraid for him.

Shalom,
I'm a Messianic Jew living in Sodom, California (San Francisco) and I've been giving a similar message for over 3 years now.

My message is different as I am foretelling the destruction of San Francisco and LA, the end times Sodom and Gomorrah by fire and brimstone per the prophecy of Messiah Yeshua in Luke 17:28-37.

I believe this will be fulfilled by the eruption of the Yellowstone Caldera.

So this is close to what Pastor Wilkerson is teaching. I believe he has the wrong coast though.

I'd like to invite you to my blog to read the amazing testimony the Lord has given me in my life.

http://thejudgmentofsanfranciscoluke17.blogspot.com/2009/03/judgment-of-san-francisco-and-la-luke.html

All glory to the Father and His Holy One, Messiah Yeshua!

Baruch HaShem,
Dani' El

One must look at ALL of the predictions/illusions or so called visions that David Wilkerson has mentioned since 1973. He is using his odds that something becomes close to reality. Like reading a horescope and part of it may happen.
God does not allow his word to be disgraced in this manner. If it is a vision from God it will come true and be the truth. If time passes and it does NOT happen then you are not to be feared, your word is worthless. David has sinned many times by stating he had visions from God, never happened, he needs to repent.

Deuteronomy 18:20-22:

'But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.

And if you say in your heart, "How shall we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?" -

"when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing that the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him."

One must look at ALL of the predictions/illusions or so called visions that David Wilkerson has mentioned since 1973. He is using his odds that something becomes close to reality. Like reading a horescope and part of it may happen.
God does not allow his word to be disgraced in this manner. If it is a vision from God it will come true and be the truth. If time passes and it does NOT happen then you are not to be feared, your word is worthless. David has sinned many times by stating he had visions from God, never happened, he needs to repent.

Deuteronomy 18:20-22:

'But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.

And if you say in your heart, "How shall we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?" -

"when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing that the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him."

I received David Wilkerson's newsletters for years and suddenly around 3 or 4 years ago I felt and noticed a change because I couldn't seem to be able to make much sense of them spiritually. I sent him a cassette but apparently they rejected it because I never heard from them at all. I had thought they would have at least said they received it. I'm not saying that everything he has ever said is wrong because years ago his newsletters gave me strength and I looked forward to them. Its really different today as most ministries preach what you've heard over and over every single Sunday without any sign of an anointing. I've been saved plenty long enough to know theres life in the word of God. I also know that pure fellowship with him will keep me straight. When I listen to all the different beliefs and disagreements I become frightened and can only gain composure by crying out to him personally. I have felt the peace that passeth all understanding so I know that its real. My heart feels so heavy when I see those professing Christ but not being able to even get along with each other. I am always afraid of missing God so I try to stay in touch with him myself..after all he is our father.

Keep in mind when reading his prophecies that many prophecies in the Bible did not come to pass immediately after the prophet gave the word. Some took 40+ years. I'm leary of anyone who claims to be a prophet or visionary but still want to hear what they are saying so I can pray for discernment about the matter. After all, he's only suggesting to keep a 30 day supply of food on hand. I've heard other Godly people saying to keep some emergency food. IF something DID happen you'd be glad you had it....nothing wrong with being prepared. America's cup of inquity can't be far from being full. Without repentance God's judgement can't be far off.

Everyone that studies the Bible knows we must be prepared for end times.

David Wilkerson continues to say his visions are from God. This is a shame.
Many past visions have come to pass within David's own time lines (read my past post) which proves it's NOT the word of GOd.

Psalms 118:8
It is better to take refuge in the Lord than to trust in man.

The Bible is very clear about visions that are said to be from God and the punishment for false claims. History shows that David has had several false visions and he declared they came from God. See below.

The Old Testament -
The Fate Of False Prophets And Those Who Follow Them:
Jer 14:14 Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.
Jer 14:15 Therefore thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that prophesy in my name, and I sent them not, yet they say, Sword and famine shall not be in this land; By sword and famine shall those prophets be consumed.
Jer 14:16 And the people to whom they prophesy shall be cast out in the streets of Jerusalem because of the famine and the sword; and they shall have none to bury them, them, their wives, nor their sons, nor their daughters: for I will pour their wickedness upon them.

Deuteronomy -
18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

18:21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?

18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

David did say his past visions were from God.
There are NO excuses in the Bible for a Minister to use the word of God in this way.
To the contrary the Bible does state punishment for falsely using Gods word.
Once again, David put his own time lines on visions that never came to pass within HIS OWN time lines.
His credibility has terminated.
I suppose some will want to keep giving him chances to get something right, that's called playing the odds (gambling). I don't find that in the Bible.

God doesn't allow us to pick and choose the word of GOd, the Bible.

The visions of God are to be 100% accurate, this is the word of God.

People seem to put their own personal feelings above the word of God. Many times David has said God gave him visions, never passed. If you put your own feelings aside and read the Bible about False Prophets you will find God doesn't allow this.

Please tell me of any documented visions by God that David has come to pass with.

David has predicted numerous thinsg that have come true or are in process right now (wikipedia David Wilkerson), but he has also predicted numerous things that have not come true. Hearing from God and discerning what God is saying is not an easy process and people make mistakes. It is a serious offense to claim God told you something that is not, in fact, the case. If we delve more into the Bible, a repetitive truth is to seek God above all else and rely on God in everything we do. You CANNOT go wrong by trusting and relying on God. Too often we put so much weight on the shoulders of people who are strong in the Lord that we become incredibly critical or judgemental of them. Time will be the true test with his most recent vision, but if David is wrong. . .he is wrong. Don't listen to everything he says then. What we should avoid is judging him. His heart seems to be in the right place and he has done awesome things for the Lord. Everyone makes mistakes, but we are called to love above all else and never judge, for we will be judged according to the judgment we used on others.
With someone who has any strong gifting from God, Satan will do everything in his power to bring them down. If your gift is prophecy, he will try to distort it as much as possible so that you look like a false prophet and nobody will trust another vision you receive. I'm not saying to believe David, however it is clear that he has been blessed by God and his works show that. Therefore recognize that he is under a LOT of attack from the enemy. If there is anything we can do, let's pray for him and ask God to shine truth into the visions that he has received. Let us pray in Jesus' name that Satan's ability to distort his visions are bound and cast out. The power in pray is obvious, and the failure and mistakes of humans are inevitable. We should put those two together and pray.

Proverbs 3:5
"Trust in the Lord with all your heart and do not rely on your own understanding."

David Wilkerson has said time and time again that he does not consider himself to be a prophet. I have heard of many people who are not prophets to whom God allowed to see something or to understand something that they shared with other believers.

I think [and hope] I understand where you're coming from, but maybe you should judge him by his fruits? His works, his fruit and his love and charity speak the truth of what sort of tree he is.

When we spend time studying the new testament we know more about judging. We do judge each other. But at any rate, I didn't mean judge as in "try and sentence", I meant exactly what WE have been doing this whole time.

Also in the NT we see that visions and dreams are given to more than just prophets.

Do you just want to bicker? Because I don't!

Whether or not Wilkerson is speaking for God, I suppose only time will tell. What strikes me about Wilkerson, and other American Christian leaders who have made similiar pronouncements about America being under God's judgment, is that they appear to believe that at some point in our past we were a holy nation. I won't argue that
America is becoming post-Christian, or that most Americans' sexual behavior is at odds with orthodox Christian morality. But this country has never had a period of time in which it was not collectively guilty of something potentially judgment-worthy.

During its more "Christian" and "moral" periods, this country was guilty of great injustices against Native Americans, African Americans, immigrants, and the poor. We've made progress in those areas, but now we kill our unborn children.

In other words, there's no reason to think that this country is now on God's short list of Nations-With-Which-I-Am-Unusually-Angry. We're just not that special. If God smites us, we've had it coming from the beginning. And it will be the general sort of smiting that awaits the rest of the world. I think we can take comfort in that.

I just had a very long reply to Truth_Seeker typed in here that took quite some time and when I clicked post the whole thing disappeared because I forgot to put in my name and email. Very frustrating...

I had ended my post by saying that maybe we needed to move on instead of going back and forth til we end up the ones in sin. So now that my text disappeared, I'll take that and leave!

Blessings to all, Gina

Here's a comment from John Piper on the David Wilkerson prophecy...
http://www.desiringgod.org/Blog/1670_Testing_David_Wilkersons_Prophecy/

Sincerely in Christ

Hi, true prophecy has nothing to do with your personal believe. It is objective; not subjective. When God gave the prophecy to Jonah, Jonah chose to interpret it in his own way as in the literal, physical "overturning" of the city of Nineveh, i.e. destruction. Whereas God meant that the whole city would 'turn over' from unbelief to belief in Jehovah. Prophecy is spiritual, directly from the throne of Heaven, to God's appointed. Oftentimes, we apply our own soulish understanding to make sense of a prophecy. But we know that only the Word of God that is sharper than a double-edged sword can separate soul from spirit. We need to discern and test all things of the spirit including prophecies. One way of testing is to see if the prophecy comes to pass. Even then, this test is not conclusive. Even Satan can and does send deceiving spirits to turn the elect away from God. Satan can also predict things that are to come.

Pastor Dave (like anyone) who recieves a Word of prophesy has to process the revelation. This can be challenging as we often think that once we get a picture, or vision or "hear something" we often think that we also have the full discernment of it. Discernment includes things such as Time, place, does the picture mean exactly what I saw or was it a type or shadow of something else? And then- even if we get the discermnet right do we actualy know how to apply the prophesy to others around us?

So we go from revelation to discermnet to application. I think he has a real revelation. He has had it for over a decade. He has obviosly struggled with the interpretation beacause he said it would happen in 1993. The revelation I believe is true. Therfore I also believe that he may finaly have gotten the interpretation. If so the application is obvious. Stay pure, Stay close to God and don't be caught off guard.

As my brother said, "even a broken clock will be right 2 times a day." I think that DW is led by his own fears, and keeps on predicting disaster because it gets him a lot of attention, and because keeping people revved up is the Pentecostal style. (if God doesn't provide the fire, make your own) If a person keeps predicting disasters, they may kinda sorta get close once in a while. But he's been so wrong for 35 years, I don't understand why he keeps it up.

I don't understand how David Wilkerson has any followers after all his false visions that he said was from God since 1973.
How does using God's word to have people fear with false predictions make David a good minister???
Shocking to me to say the least.
I'm glad i am strong enough to read the Bible myself and to learn who to trust.

Psalms 118:8
It is better to take refuge in the Lord than to trust in man.

Proverbs 3:5
"Trust in the Lord with all your heart and do not rely on your own understanding."

Many people seem to equate prophecy with predicting the future, as if they're destined to come true or be deemed false. But, God's prophecies usually come in the form of 'if / then'. IF I can find 5 righteous people in the city, THEN... IF you do not turn from your sinful ways, THEN... Otherwise God is just a sadist who apparently likes to show people ahead of time the doom inevitably rushing toward them. Except God is a loving God.
Wilkerson may not be a true prophet. Or, it may be that enough Believers heeded the prophecies they achieved their goal... if only for a while. DVC/ I H S

I have been on a few "Christian" websites the past few days since the message that David Wilkerson posted came out. After reading blogs on these websites, I must say I am appauled. These are supposed to be Christian websites, yet there is nothing but ridicule going on. We as Christians are to follow the path that Jesus put before us and love everyone and not ridicule and poke fun at them for something they believe in. I just cannot believe the things I am hearing. Instaed of making fun of David Wilkerson, or any other person that says they have a prophetic vision, why not pray for them instead? I understand that we all have questions and we all have opinions, but when you are speaking to people that are searching for faith, why must there be the negativity towards a fellow brethren, whether they be right or wrong?

Truth Seeker, I can see that you are not going to let anyone say anything without posting after every comment made. I have read all of the comments here and I see the same thing. Ridicule. In your last post, you say that DW should repent in open public, but who are you or any of us to say that? We are not his judge, God is and if he is wrong again with his "prophetic vision" then God will judge him when it is time. We as Christians should not live in fear when these things are stated, whether they be true or not. Who knows if they are true? We don't, only God does. We just have to live our life for God each and every day and if it happens, then so be it. If he has been wrong in the past with his "visions" who is to say he is wrong now? God is the only one that knows. We are to be living our life for Him and not looking at man anyway. My personal opinion is dear God, please come quickly! We have to keep our eyes focused on Him and we won't be blinded by false prophets. I am not saying that DW is a false prophet, but we hear of them every single day. Stop the back bighting and pray for our nation and pray for our President and pray for each other.

A prophecy is a foretelling of an event in the future.I don't see anywhere that there is a "time limit" on when the prophecy has to be fulfilled for it to be true. Prophecies in the Bible are still not all fulfilled,but they are in our lifetime, quickly being fulfilled. I think people who don't really have a personal relationship with Jesus and don't put their trust in God are more afraid that David is right on. As for Truth Seeker......are you seeking God or a belief in something that won't frighten you so much? You say David is out for selfish greed....I don't see anywhere in his message, that he wants anything for bringing this word forth. If you are seeking truth, you have to take the good with the bad. If he prophesied you were going to be rich next year, I'll bet you would believe that!

How can anyone trust a man who has made several false prophecies on so many levels? He claimed to hear from God, and he was wrong. He is like the boy who cried wolf. How are we supposed to react to this? It is extremely irresponsible and wrong for a leader to throw out these type of predictions. There are many vulnerable folks who listen to pastors like Wilkerson. He needs to stick to things that he is good at. Instead, he engulfs himself in the world of Charismania and Churchianity, spreading generalized warnings that any nutcase could predict. In the OT, God had false prophets stoned to death because they misrepresented God, misled the people, and caused irreparable confusion, even if they were correct some of the time.

I've just had a dream on March 11 that matches exactly to what David Wilkerson said. I didn't know anything about his profecies until yesterday when a friend emailed it to me. Before I read, I know what it was about. I knew it would be my dream, that God had given to someone else. I believe and told a friend when I had the dream that many brothers in Christ would be having the same revelation.

That too weird for me, a protestant raised in a Presbyterian church. I love the Word of God, the Bible and try to be guided by IT, not by what someone said, if you know what I mean.

But in Feb 2001 I dreamed of 2 airplanes "entering" a building. By that time I thought I had seen twice just as a confirmation of one single happening... although I saw one right after another. In that dream/vision - I can't remember if I was awake or asleep, I thought to myself: there is going to be a war. After 9/11, a few days after that, I remembered my dream and went to my journal to see my notes. That it was... my dream 7 months earlier had been a profecy. In my spirit I knew it was a warning. So now I just had another one.

But what do we do about it? Oh, my Holy God And Abba Father... give us love for the lost ones, urgency to seek YOU and preach your Salvation in Jesus Christ.

Ruth

I think Pastor Wilkerson is correct. I dont think its going to happen in the next week, or month, but it is reasonably soon. I dont know how he is prophecying these things, because I would not continue to live in NYC if he actually believes what he says is going to happen. I have absolutely no idea how modern day prophecy and prophets are supposed to work. I have had lots of prophecies and visions and the destruction of New York is one of them. I dont bother saying anything any more as no one ever believes me and I barely believe myself. However I do make every effort to do what I am directed to do when I get them.

This prophecy was written by another prophet in the late 1800's:

ELLEN WHITE (vision in New York city in Testimonies Vol 9)
In the visions of the night a very impressive scene passed before me. I saw an immense ball of fire fall among some beautiful mansions, causing their instant destruction. I heard someone say: "We knew that the judgments of God were coming upon the earth, but we did not know that they would come so soon." Others, with agonized voices, said: "You knew! Why then did you not tell us? We did not know." On every side I heard similar words of reproach spoken. {9T28.1}

I don't understand how David Wilkerson has any followers after all his false visions that he said was from God since 1973.
How does using God's word to have people fear with false predictions make David a good minister???
Shocking to me to say the least.
I'm glad i am strong enough to read the Bible myself and to learn who to trust.

Psalms 118:8
It is better to take refuge in the Lord than to trust in man.

Proverbs 3:5
"Trust in the Lord with all your heart and do not rely on your own understanding."

Please read your Bible about your so called "modern day prophets, visions, dreams or whatever you want to call them".
If you say it's a vision from God then below are your rules from the Bible, new and old testaments.
God's word is not to be used falsely...

Deuteronomy -
18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

18:21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?

18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

The Old Testament
The Fate Of False Prophets And Those Who Follow Them:
Jer 14:14 Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.
Jer 14:15 Therefore thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that prophesy in my name, and I sent them not, yet they say, Sword and famine shall not be in this land; By sword and famine shall those prophets be consumed.
Jer 14:16 And the people to whom they prophesy shall be cast out in the streets of Jerusalem because of the famine and the sword; and they shall have none to bury them, them, their wives, nor their sons, nor their daughters: for I will pour their wickedness upon them

THERE ARE A LOT OF SO CALLED SELF PROCLAIMED PROPHETS THAT ARE PROPHECYING IN GODS NAME. THERE ARE NO [TRUE PROPHETS] THESES ARE ALL [LIARS] AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN THEM, NOT ANYWHERE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT. IT WAS ONLY IN THE OLD TESTAMENT ONLY THOSE THAT MAKE THEMSELVES PROPHETS MAKING A PROPHET IN GETTING YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY FOR NOTHING $$$$ SEE/WATCH [TBN ]. AND YOU WILL SEE IT FOR YOURSELVES.

True men and women of God know in the Spirit judgment is comming soon, I praise God for Brother Wilkerson, His ministry, thru the Lord has changed my life! We should all pray for more men of God like Bro Wilkerson in these last days

I prefer the "better safe than arrogantly sorry" approach to David Wilkerson's prophecies that I see so many so-called Christians taking - especially here. Only a died-in-the-wool fool can look at the current global situation and not take this approach. But, hey, Jeremiah had the same problem convincing his contemporaries as well. And we know that before Titus' legions breached Jerusalem's walls there were numerous "counter-prophets" who claimed that the signs God was showing them were actually proof that the Romans would NOT size the city and burn the Temple. Is that what happened? Of course not! Again, prudence rather than vain atrrogance is in order here. American Christians are about to learn what so many of our brothers and Sisters in China and other hell-holes already know: to Love the Lord is to be willing to sacrifice your life. That day is fast approaching. You had all better get ready.

Any vision or prophecy "received" by an individual or prophet is open to interpretation....by both the prophet and the person in receipt of the prophecy.

DW is a good man...and hears from the Lord....but...based on past evidence, he's like all the rest of us (well most of us anyway) he is subject to his own humanity.

I suggest each individual take this to the Lord and ask Him what HE thinks....since He's the only one that knows for sure...

World Communism is Mystery Babylon!
You are about to read a list of 45 Communist goals that found their way down the halls of our great Capitol back in 1963. As you read this, 46 years later, you should be shocked by the events that have played themselves out.
Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record–Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963 Current Communist Goals EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Thursday, January 10, 1963 . Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land,
Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America. At Mrs. Nordman’s request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following “Current Communist Goals,” which she identifies as an excerpt from “The Naked Communist,” by Cleon Skousen: [From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen] 1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war. 2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war. 3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength. 4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war. 5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.
6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination. 7. Grant recognition of Red China . Admission of Red China to the U.N. 8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev’s promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N. 9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress. 10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N. 11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow . Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo .) 12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party. 13. Do away with all loyalty oaths. 14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office. 15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States . 16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights. 17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks. 18. Gain control of all student newspapers. 19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack. 20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions. 21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures. 22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to “eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.” 23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. “Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art.” 24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press. 25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV. 26. 27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a “religious crutch.” 28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.” 29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis. 30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the “common man.” 31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the “big picture.” Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over. 32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture–education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc. 33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus. 34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities. 35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI. 36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions. 37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business. 38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat]. 39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals. 40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce. 41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents. 42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems. 43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government. 44. Internationalize the Panama Canal . 45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike. Note by Webmaster: The Congressional Record back this far has not be digitized and posted on the Internet. It will probably be available at your nearest library that is a federal repository. Call them and ask them. Your college library is probably a repository. This is an excellent source of government records. Another source are your Congress Critters. They should be more than happy to help you in this matter. You will find the Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto interesting at this point. Webmaster Forest Glen Durland found the document in the library. Sources are listed below. Microfilm: California State University at San Jose Clark Library, Government Floor Phone (408)924-2770 Microfilm Call Number: J 11.R5 Congressional Record, Vol. 109 88th Congress, 1st Session Appendix Pages A1-A2842 Jan. 9-May 7, 1963 Reel 12

No mention of Jesus Christ is allowed in the United Nations.

“If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter.”- George Washington , General, Commander in Chief of the colonial armies in the American Revolution and first President of the United States of America. Political Correctness a term first seen in Mao’s Little Red Book, a communist engendered abomination that is instituting censorship little by little.

Out of the six men who led the Bolshevik
Revolution in Russia, five or them were Khazar Jews. Carl Marx’s real name was Mordaci, and he himself descended from a long line of Pharisees. ( Note—Karl Marx wrote the Communist Manifesto, the blueprint for world domination ). No wonder, that Jesus said to the Talmudists, or Pharisees, “Ye are of your father the Devil, and the lusts of your father , ye will do, he was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. (John 8:44).” Again, “I know the blasphemy, of them that say they are Jews, and are not, but are of The Synagogue of Satan” (Rev. 2:9) Karl Marx - “My object in life is to dethrone God and destroy capitalism.”

Carl Marx, once wrote that, the goal of the Communists was to quote,. “enter into men’s minds and cast God down from his throne.”

Our forefathers, wrote our Constitution, based on God’s law.

“I seek social ownership of property, the abolition of the properties
class, and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal.”—Roger Baldwin, leftist, anarchist, and Communist, was born in Wellesley MA and co-founded the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU). “The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of ‘liberalism’ they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.”— Norman Thomas, Socialist Party Presidential Candidate in 1940, 1944 and 1948, co-founder of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU). “We can’t expect the American people to jump from capitalism to communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have communism.”—Nikita Kruschev, former Soviet Premier/dictator.

Babylon was not only a commercial metropolis, but a religious one also, as
can be seen from an inscription, which they have decoded. Altogether there are in Babylon, 53 of the chief gods, 55 chapels of Marduk, 300 chapels to the earthly deities, 600 for the heavenly deities, 180 alters for the goddess Ishtar, and Isis, and they go on, and on. This was a very religious society. Then the author quotes out of Herodias, he says But the most vicious practice of the Babylonians, was the following. Every woman in the country, must take her seat in the shrine of Aphrodite, and once in her life, consort with a stranger, and only when she has been with him, and done her service to the goddess, is she allowed to go home. The religion of Babylon, required pre-marital sex, of all of its women, the same condition and practice, which is encouraged in America today. Little do Christians realize today, that the proponents, and promoters of pre-marital sex, are really the Babylonian’s, who have invaded this land, and who are trying to foist
on us, all of their anti-Christ religion, of Ancient Babylon. Part of that religion of Babylon, which is revealed in, “Haley’s Bible Handbook,” was the offering, as human sacrifices of little babies, to be killed by the medical priests of Baal, who were the medical professionals of that day, and they offered these little babies to their god. This is the same condition we have in America today. This human sacrifice is called abortion,(50 million abortions since 1973!) and carried out, by the medical priesthood in America, in their dark abortuaries of death. These same people in America, who promote pre-marital sex, are right there with advice, for the unmarried pregnant girl, to tell her just where to go, and who to see, to get her baby killed. It is possible, that we have Priests of Babylon, in our America today, who have disguised themselves within the medical profession, to carry out these ancient murder rituals, right under our noses. There are
other mysterious practices, being foisted on our people, and on our nation today, which fit the system, and the religion of Ancient Babylon, and Egypt.
On January 22nd 1973 The high jacked U.S Supreme Court legalized unrestricted abortions since that time over 50 million babies have been murdered, How can this be a Christian Nation, how can you follow the commands of God Almighty and allow this to continue? It is difficult for many people to accept the truth that several of our nations top leaders have been members of the occultic Bohemian Grove. George W. Bush is also a member of this occult organization. Since 1873, the Global Elite Has Held Secret Meetings in the Ancient Redwood Forest of Northern California. Members of the so-called “Bohemian Club” Include Former Presidents Eisenhower, Nixon and Reagan. The Bush Family Maintains a Strong Involvement. Each Year at Bohemian Grove, Members of This All-Male “Club” Don Red, Black and Silver Robes and Conduct an Occult Ritual Wherein They Worship a Giant Stone Owl, Sacrificing a Human Being in Effigy to What They Call the “Great Owl of Bohemia.”

Deuteronomy 19:8-10 8 If the LORD your God enlarges your territory, as he promised on oath to your forefathers, and gives you the whole land he promised them, 9 because you carefully follow all these laws I command you today—to love the LORD your God and to walk always in his ways—then you are to set aside three more cities. 10 Do this so that INNOCENT BLOOD WILL NOT BE SHED IN YOUR LAND, which the LORD your God is giving you as your inheritance, and so that you will not be guilty of bloodshed. Leviticus 26:14-20 14 ” ‘But if you will not listen to me and carry out all these commands, 15 and if you reject my decrees and abhor my laws and fail to carry out all my commands and so violate my covenant, 16 then I will do this to you: I will bring upon you
sudden terror, wasting diseases and fever that will destroy your sight and drain away your life. You will plant seed in vain, because your enemies will eat it. 17 I will set my face against you so that you will be defeated by your enemies; THOSE WHO HATE YOU WILL RULE OVER YOU, and you will flee even when no one is pursuing you. 18 ” ‘If after all this you will not listen to me, I will punish you for your sins seven times over. 19 I will break down your stubborn pride and make the sky above you like iron and the ground beneath you like bronze. 20 Your strength will be spent in vain, because your soil will not yield its crops, nor will the trees of the land yield their fruit.

“I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.” - Barack Hussein Obama - Audacity of Hope
“The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter…” (Qur’an 5:33).
“Allah’s Apostle said: ‘I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah’s Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform at that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah’” (Bukhari Volume 1, Book 2, Number 24).
“War is deceit” (Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 268).
“Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him” (Bukhari Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57).
Or how about Mohammed's raping of his nine-year-old "wife" and justifying it by saying Allah ordained it:
"My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse took over and wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was brought in while Muhammad was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. The other men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old" (Tabari 9:131).
"Allah’s Apostle told Aisha [his six-year-old bride and nine-year-old sexual "partner"], ‘You were shown to me twice in my dreams. I beheld a man or angel carrying you in a silken cloth. He said to me, "She is yours, so uncover her." And behold, it was you. I would then say to myself, "If this is from Allah, then it must happen"’" (Bukhari Volume 9, Book 87, Number 139-140).

“ America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.”
Abraham Lincoln.

Modern Babylon’s rule over America-Zion is about gone. Babylon is being found out, and God is bringing her into remembrance, to give to her the wine of his wrath. The last verses of Revelation 18, show that the wicked, and the evildoers will cry, when Babylon
falls. Verse 19, says; Rev. 1:19: And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! For in one hour is she made desolate. 20: Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her. We are called upon to rejoice over the destruction, of the Babylonian system of world rule, and oppression. Verse 21, says; Rev. 18:21: And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. Babylon will disappear, as does a stone cast into a river or into the sea.
In 1962, the American Supreme Court, reversed the legal opinion established earlier, by the earlier Supreme Court, that declared that indeed America was, and is a Christian Nation. The supreme court ruled in 1962, on that day of infamy,’ that Christian Bible reading, and Christian Prayer, in Christian America’s public schools, and public places, would now be illegal. In 1962-1963, the Supreme Court of this country, unconstitutionally rejected this Christian Foundation Stone. Due to their infamous judgment, It is now against the law to have Christian Prayer in the American Public School System, and public institutions of this government. This American Supreme Court’s judgment, in effect, made this foundation stone of America , a rejected stone. This act in effect, made America ’s foundation stone, ‘a rolling stone.’ It is now against the law to publicly, and officially acknowledge that, Jesus Christ is the foundation stone of America . . 2 Timothy 4:3-5 (King James Version) 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
Our forefathers, wrote our Constitution, based on God’s law.
Carl Marx, once wrote that, the goal of the Communists was to quote,. ” enter into men’s minds and cast God down from his throne.”
“It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.” George Washington, General, Commander in Chief of the colonial armies in the American Revolution (1775-83) and 1st US President (1789-97), 1732-1799)
Luke 22:35-38 35
Then Jesus asked them,
“When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?” “Nothing,” they answered. 36 He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. 37 It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’ [ b ] ; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.” 38 The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.” “That is enough,” he replied. Matthew 10:32-42 32 “Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven. 34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn ” ‘a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law - 36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’ [ e ] 37 “Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; 38 and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. 40 “He who receives you receives me, and he who receives me receives the one who sent me. 41 Anyone who receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet’s reward, and anyone who receives a righteous man because he is a righteous man will receive a righteous man’s reward. 42 And if anyone gives even a cup of cold water to one of these little ones because he is my disciple, I tell you the truth, he will certainly not lose his reward.”
THE COMMUNIST HAMMER AND SICKLE OF THE WHOLE EARTH The sins of Israel will be forgiven at the time of Jesus’ return. This destruction of Babylon foretold in Jeremiah, chapters 50, and 51 is the destruction of end time Babylon , the Mystery Babylon of Revelation 17, and 18. Verses in this chapter 50 refer to the hammer and sickle of this prophetic Mystery Babylon . The prophet Jeremiah is talking to prophetic Babylon , in verse 16, of Jeremiah 50 where it says; Jer. 50:16: Cut off the sower from Babylon, and him that handleth the SICKLE in the time of harvest: Then verse 23, the prophet still speaking against Babylon , says; Jer. 50:23: How is the HAMMER of the whole earth cut asunder and broken! How is Babylon become a desolation among the nations! In Jeremiah 50, which prophecies of the destruction of end time Babylon, as does Revelation 17, and 18 the two major symbols which identify end time Babylon are given as the “HAMMER AND THE SICKLE.” Babylon is here called, the” HAMMER OF THE WHOLE EARTH,” and her activities are called, in verse 16, the handling of the SICKLE. In Revelation 17, and 18 Mystery Babylon is said to be clothed in scarlet or red, the beast upon which she rides, is red, the official color of Communism is red, they call themselves the Reds, and their Communist flag is a red flag, with a hammer and a sickle upon it. In all the descriptions of Mystery Babylon, this end time world power, it is the Christians, the Saints of God, who are the victims of this power, and the ones against who it makes war. In Luke 21:12, Jesus spoke of these last days, and the anti-Christ Communist warfare, to be waged against Christians. God says of Himself: Deuteronomy 32:40-42 40 I lift my hand to heaven and declare: As surely as I live forever, 41 when I sharpen my flashing sword and my hand grasps it in judgment, I will take vengeance on my adversaries and repay those who hate me. 42 I will make my arrows drunk with blood, while my sword devours flesh: the blood of the slain and the captives, the heads of the enemy leaders.” Deuteronomy 32: 43 Rejoice, O nations, with his people, [ f ] , [ g ] for he will avenge the blood of his servants; he will take vengeance on his
enemies and make atonement for his land and people. Revelation 18:20-21 20Rejoice over her, O heaven! Rejoice, saints and apostles and prophets! God has judged her for the way she treated you.’ ” 21Then a mighty angel picked up a boulder the size of a large millstone and threw it into the sea, and said: “With such violence the great city of Babylon will be thrown down, never to be found again.

THE THREE UNCLEAN SPIRITS DIVIDE MYSTERY BABYLON INTO THREE PARTS 13: And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14: For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. 15: Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walks naked, and they see his shame. 16: And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. For all practical purposes, the sixth vial has been completed. The world is now gathered, for that battle. Then after the sixth vial of God’s Wrath is completed upon the earth, then comes the vision, of the seventh angel, with the seventh vial of God’s Wrath upon the earth. Rev. 16:17: And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. 18: And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. . Rev. 16:17: And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. 18: And there were voices, and thunders, and lightning’s; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. 19: And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. In other words, the pouring out the seventh vial into the air, is the end of the pouring out of God’s Wrath upon the earth. The end of God’s Wrath upon the earth, would be when the work of the seventh vial was complete, and the completed works of the seventh vial is, “the destruction of Mystery Babylon, The Great.” After the seventh angel pours out the seventh vial, Rev. 18-19 says; Rev. 18:18: And there were voices, and thunders, and lightning’s; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
19: And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
MYSTERY BABYLON IS NOW DIVIDED INTO THREE PARTS The earthquake spoken of here, is the symbolic shaking of the earth, which then divides “Mystery Babylon” the “City That Rules Over The Kings Of The Earth,” into three parts. In other words this world system of exploitation and wickedness is now divided into three parts. God is shaking “Mystery Babylon” in order to destroy the anti-Christian Babylonian System of World Rule. According to these scriptures, this present Mystery Babylonian world ruling system is to be divided into three parts, prior to her destruction. Mystery Babylon is now divided into three parts. In Rev. 17:18 she is identified, as that “Great City That Reigns Over the Kings Of The Earth.” Rev. 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. In the above verse it says that the Governments and nations (Note–cities of the nations) fell. This is largely complete today. Almost every non-Communist Government in all the world has fallen, and has been replaced by a government, controlled by secret, or open Red-Jewish-Communists, in what is described in chapter 17, and 18 as Mystery Babylon, and which we moderns call ” the Worlds Shadow Government.” That Babylon, or world Communism, operates today in three parts, is obvious to students of current events, although many of them know nothing of Bible prophecy. World Communism, or the people who control World Communism, from behind the scenes, have it divided into three spheres of influence.

One is the Russian sphere , largely Northern
Asia, or Russia or Eastern Europe, including Poland, Czheckoslovokia, Hungary etc., Moscow is it’s headquarters.

The second part of Mystery Babylon, is the control of the United States , the Western Hemisphere, England, and Western Europe, New York is it’s headquarters. The third part of Mystery Babylon, is the Chinese sphere of influence , in Eastern Asia, such as India, Southeastern Asia, Vietnam, Cambodia, etc..

This third part, or the Chinese part, also includes what the Communists, and the news media like to call, the third world, referring to the non-white peoples in Africa, and Eastern Asia, Peking is it’s headquarters.
The Book of Revelation, show in the 17th, and 18th chapters, that as the governments of the nations fell, this power would be executed in three parts.

Mystery Babylon, would not seem to be a monolithic world structure, but would be a three part, world ruling system. That World Communism is a world ruling system, is obvious to anyone who studies current world history. THE THREE PARTS OF MYSTERY BABYLON ARE SECRET PARTNERS, AS THEY WORK TOGETHER, TO ROB AND PLUNDER THE PEOPLES OF THE EARTH As the United States fought on one side of a war in Vietnam, and Russia, and China fought on the other side, and publicly declare to each other to be enemies, the rulers of America, China, and Russia, carry on negotiations, trade, exchanges information, and visit each other, just as if they had no dis-agreement, and in truth, they have none. The rulers of the three parts of Babylon, are in complete agreement, the dis-agreements are but show, to deceive the people into thinking, that they must be prepared for war, and even fight in wars against each other, to protect themselves from each other. The wars, and the preparations for wars, including unbelievable taxation, go into the hands of the rulers, of each of these three parts of Mystery Babylon,
making them rich. That is why our Secretary of State, and our President, can put their arms around and hug, Mau Tse Tung, and other Communist Rulers of China, and Gorbachav and all their leaders of Russia, and smile fondly upon each other, and show genuine friendship, they are friends, they are fellow compatriots, in the plunder, and robbery of all the peoples of the earth. Their robbery of the people would not work, if the people realized that there was no real reason for war, and for preparedness for war against other peoples. Americans would not allow themselves to be taxed, 80 billions of dollars every year for defense, or over two and a half trillions of dollars since 1950, unless they were convinced, by their statesman, that America must fear Russia, and China. The same thing goes on in Russia, and China so Mystery Babylon’s Government is never seen by the peoples of the world, as one entity, all of the people see it as disagreeing
nations, and peoples, who must be continually be armed for war, and in fact most often fight great battles, and wars around the world. All of these wars end up, with out destroying any of the power of the ruling anti-Christians, but actually exalts their power over the nations. The Christian Peoples, are the major suppliers of money, and blood for these wars. The rulers of the world are not opposed to World Communism, but actually support it. Our fields, our factories, and our pocketbooks are stripped to build up Russian industry, and to send food to save the Communist Government of China, and foolish Christians still think, our rulers are opposed to Communism. In truth, what you see in operation, is the three parts of Mystery Babylon, the City that is divided into three parts. THE THREE PARTS OF MYSTERY BABYLON The three parts of Mystery Babylon operate together in co-operation, to control and enslave all the peoples of the earth.
The major goal of Mystery Babylon is to rob all the people of all their wealth. Revelation, 18:3 it gives an indication of this robbery, it says; Rev. 18:3 the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies . And verse 11 says; Rev. 18:11: And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more: Notice that the merchants of the earth, those international business cartels, shall weep and mourn over her, that is to say, when she is destroyed. Verse 19 gives a little more detail how big business will react, when their house of cards falls, as prophesied in the Bible, it says of them; Rev. 18:18: And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city! 19: And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea Verse 19 indicates that much of the wealth, of the merchants of the earth, is coming from trade between nations, and continents. Merchandise made in Communist Countries, and third world countries, by people forced to work for low wages, makes almost unbelievable profits to the merchants, who handle their sale in other countries. Babylon profits on trade between continents, on merchandise moved by ships in the sea. Wheat is grown in America, paid for by the taxes, forcibly taken from the American workers, then given outright to the rulers of Russia, and China, and they then sell it, to countries in Africa, and Eastern Europe. This profit, hundreds, and hundreds of millions of dollars to a few thousand people, who call themselves Communists, but who work in co-operation, with the same people in other countries, who call themselves capitalists, all of them are part of an oppressive system of rule, prophesied in detail in the Christian Bible. The anti-Christian rule of “Mystery Babylon, The Great,” is here for any to see, who will read God’s Word, and look at today’s world through eyes, enlightened by God’s Truth. Rev. 16:20 says; Rev. 16:20: And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. THE CUP OF GOD’S WRATH Mountains, hills, and islands are symbols used by the prophets, to indicate nations. Almost every nation of the world, has lost it’s own sovereignty, and is ruled by treaties, and agreements engineered by the United Nations, and controlled by Red-Khazar-Jewish-World Communism. The United Nations has ordered, that the United States Government, dis-arm it’s citizens, so un-Constitutional gun registration, and gun confiscation laws are being passed. The United Nations has ordered the United States, to supply free food, to other nations. So the men, who rule us, are arranging shipments of our food, to wherever the United Nations orders, meanwhile Americans themselves are short of food, especially the elderly. In verse 19 we are told, that when Mystery Babylon is divided into three parts, then she would come into remembrance before God, to give unto her, the cup of the wine, of the fierceness of his wrath, it says of his wrath; Rev. 16:19: And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. Her division into three parts is observable today. The time for her total destruction obviously must be very close. Rev. 17:1 says; Rev. 17:1: And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: Revelation, chapter 17, and 18 show the destruction of Mystery
Babylon, the total destruction of Mystery Babylon. Rev. 18:8 says of Mystery Babylon; Rev. 18:8 and she shall be utterly burned with fire: MYSTERY BABYLON WILL BE DESTROYED BY VIOLENCE Verse 21 it says that Mystery Babylon will be thrown down with violence, it says; Rev. 18:21: And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. Mystery Babylon has already killed millions of the Christian Brethren, and more are being killed as the years go by. It is training and equipping, the greatest army the world has ever seen, in Russia, and China for a future invasion of Western Europe, and America, and Christians still cannot see, that Mystery Babylon the Great, rules the earth. Rev. 17:2 says; Rev. 17:2: With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants
of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD ARE DRUNK WITH THE WINE OF MYSTERY BABYLON In other words, this verse says that the whole world is drunk, or irrational, with Babylon’s wine. Babylon’s wine in this case, would be Babylon’s false ideologies, teachings, and propaganda. The people of the world have been walking as if they were drunk or confused and are walking in darkness. Babylon calls this wine of darkness, “light.” And the Kings of the earth, and the religions of the earth, including the American Churches, have drunk of the wine, of her dark ideologies. Babylon has caused the peoples of the world, to live and act, as if they were drunk. In Rev. 17:3 it says; Rev. 17:3: So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. Verse 9, it says
that the seven heads, are seven mountains, and the ten horns, are ten kings; Rev. 17:9: And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 10: And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 11: And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. 12: And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. The James Moffatt version of the Bible says of the same verse 9, that the seven heads are seven mountains, and seven hills. There is a city of great importance, in the present world’s anti-Christ system, which is built on seven hills. In Colliers Magazine, dated, April 28, 1951, it says from an article titled, “This is Moscow today,”
quote– “Moscow, showcase of the USSR, sits on a large plain, on the plains of the Moscow, and Usa rivers, which are frozen about five months of the year. Out of the plain rise seven low hills, on the highest of which, is the Kremlin, the walled fortress of Ancient Moscow, and now the guarded citadel, of the Politburo. From the Kremlin, comes the politburo’s booming challenge, to the Western World.” End of quote. Moscow, capitol of Communist Russia, and headquarters of the vast propaganda apparatus, which has invaded the Christian West, is a city built on seven hills. The verse says that the seven hills are on the Scarlet Colored Beast, upon which Mystery Babylon sits. Moscow has seven hills, Moscow’s flag is red, or scarlet, and they even call themselves the “Reds.” Then in verse four through six it says; Rev. 17:4: And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones
and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5: And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6: And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. These verses show that she is very wealthy, and is responsible for all the filthy abominations upon the earth. She has caused the deaths of so many Christians, that John could only describe her, as being drunken with their blood. This verse alone, is enough to prove, that this is a great anti-Christ ruling over the earth now, not after the Christians are supposedly raptured into heaven. Mystery Babylon, could not have been drunken with the blood of the Saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus, if all she can persecute, and kill is
unbelievers and the heathen, who are the only ones supposedly left on the earth after the pre-Tribulation Rapture, being taught by the establishment Jewish controlled Christian Churches. Most Pastors, who preach the pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church, tell you that the entire Book of Revelations, after chapter six, is completed after this rapture. This is the doctrine of devils, by devils. Christian America will be delivered, in the “Day of God’s Wrath upon Mystery Babylon.” MYSTERY BABYLON WILL BE DESTROYED BY VIOLENCE Verse 21 it says that Mystery Babylon will be thrown down with violence, it says; Rev. 18:21: And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. THE SUPERNATURAL LAMB AND HIS CHOSEN ONES WILL MAKE WAR AGAINST THE BEAST To understand this
prophecy we will have to find out what governments the ten horns that appear upon the red beast are symbolic of. The angel told John that these ten horns are ten kingdoms (governments) that will give their power to the beast in these latter-days. Apparently the supernatural Lamb and the chosen ones (God’s people) are the citizens of these ten horns because the ten horns will make war against the Christian-Saints and the Lamb. Then after the ten horns make war with the Lamb the supernatural Lamb and his chosen ones will overcome (take over) these ten horns. Then after the Lamb and his chosen take over the ten horns they will then turn and destroy the beast and it’s New World Order.

Armageddon also means the "valley of slaughter." It comes from a Hebrew word pronounced, "HAR-MEGA-DON." In the James Moffatt version of the Bible, this word "Harmeggadon" is used, in place of Armageddon. "Harmeggadon" means at the place of the regathered from the nations.
America is the place that makes up that nation. This nation consists of the regathered white-Anglo-Saxon, Germanic, Scandinavian, and kindred peoples. God brought these Christian Anglo-Saxons here from the nations, where they were put away and punished. They were brought here to "Harmeggadon" or the place of the regathering. America is the Harmeggadon of Bible Prophecy.
The armies now gathering under the United Nations of Red-Babylon, are coming to America in the near future. God is bringing these nations here. These armies will fight against God, and his Christ. When these kings, and their armies of the earth are gathered, they will encompass us, they will surround us.

THE SAINTS OF GOD AND THE LAMB WILL DESTROY THE NEW WORLD ORDER Many prophecies of the Bible say that God’s people will destroy this end time Beast and its New World Order. So if the ten horns destroy the beast then it stands to reason that these ten horns
represent God’s Kingdom. The angel told John that God has put it into the hearts of the rulers of the TEN HORNS to agree to give the Kingdom (of the Saints) to the beast until the words of God will be fulfilled. So therefore the TEN HORNS HAVE TO BE GOD’S KINGDOM because God has given the Kingdom to the ten horns to fulfill his will. Learned Bible students know that America is the Zion of Bible prophecy and is part of Christendom. The word “Christendom” literally means “THE KINGDOM OF CHRIST.” The United States of America is one of the “NATIONS OF CHRISTENDOM.” Notice in the following verses concerning the Kingdom of the ten horns: Rev. 17:17: For God hath put in their hearts to fulfill his will, and to agree, and give their (the Saints) kingdom (the ten horns) unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. WHO ARE THE TEN NATIONS THAT GIVE THEIR POWER TO THE BEAST OF REVELATIONS 17? It can be easily be
seen that these prophecies of Revelation 17 more or less tell the same story. But their is no way you can make all them fit, unless one realizes that the ten kingdoms, or ruling bodies, of Revelation 17, have to be Israel nations, not just some insignificant nations of the world. ARE THE TEN REGIONAL GOVERNMENTS OF THE UNITED STATES FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THE PROPHESIED TEN HORNS OF THE BEAST? If it is Israel that destroys Babylon and if it is the ten kingdoms (TEN HORNS) that also destroy Babylon, then it obvious that these kingdoms or nations of THE TEN HORNS, must be Israel Kingdoms. While Richard Nixon was President, the United States of America was officially divided up into ten regions, under what is now called “Regional Governments.” “All United States Government Programs, and all United States Government funds, are distributed not to the fifty states, but to the “Ten Regional Headquarters,” and from there they go directly
to the cities, and the counties bypassing the fifty State Governments.” THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA ARE NOW DIVIDED INTO TEN REGIONAL GOVERNMENTS (FEMA) The United States of America is now secretly divided into ten regional governments (kingdoms). Many learned Americans now know that it is the wealth, money, inventions, and the food of America, which our rulers take from us, and transfer to the Communist Countries and The New World Order. This transfer of money and wealth keeps Red Communism and the New World Order alive. THE TEN REGIONS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT GIVES ITS POWER TO THE NEW WORLD ORDER OF THE BEAST If American aid, American technology, and American money were cut off from World Communism and its New World Order, World Communism and the New World Order would immediately collapse. Obviously, the Ten Regional Federal Governments of America, are the ten kingdoms of Revelation 17. Revelation 17:12-13 says of these
ten regional Federal governments: Rev. 17:12: And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour (a short time) with the beast. 13: These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. Most prophecy ministers, have for so many years, identified these ten nations, as some sort of ten nation European Confederacy, which would be a revived Holy Roman Empire. But many members of former denominations, who began to study the Bible for themselves, found that almost every doctrine taught in denominational Judeo-Paganized-Churches today, is a false doctrine. If a doctrine is widely taught by establishment Judeo paganized ministers, and widely believed by establishment Judeo-Paganized Church congregations, it is probably a false doctrine, and should be critically examined. What John saw was the state of existence of Mystery Babylon,
just before it was all destroyed. That is why the Ten Regional Federal Governments, which now comprise America, and into which America has secretly been divided, by her captors, ARE THE TEN HORNS of Revelations chapter 17. AMERICA’S ALLIANCE WITH THE NEW WORLD ORDER IS JUST TEMPORARY AND WILL SOON END These ten horns were not with the beast, for the whole 2,500 years of its existence, because they receive power for a very short time, or one prophetic hour with the beast. And they receive this power right before the Lamb (Son of Man) and the Christian-Saints destroy the beast. These ten horns help the beast, and give their power to it. But the people (God’s people) who live under these ten governments, actually hate the Red-Jewish-Whore and their New World Order, and they will eventually destroy it. In Rev. 17:16 it says; Rev. 17:16: And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall
make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. In America there has been unusual events happening that people find hard to explain, and understand. These unusual events are the formation of what are called “militia groups and other patriotic Christian organizations.” All of these patriotic militia groups and other Christian organizations are made up completely of the white Anglo-Saxon peoples who call themselves Christians. The hidden rulers of Mystery Babylon call these white Anglo-Saxon Christian organizations “hate groups.” The hidden behind the scenes rulers of the ten regions of the United States Federal Government have called the white Christian Anglo-Saxon race a hate group and has secretly declared war against these white Anglo-Saxon Christian people. I was watching the 700 club on television and heard Mr. Pat Robinson say that the Government also considers his ministry a hate group. The
Federal Government identifies who are the victims of this secret anti-Christian warfare. A newsletter called The Independent Newsletter, (P. O. Box 54, Spencer, Ma. 01562), reports that it is the Justice Department and the Federal Government who are making secret warfare against the white Anglo-Saxon Christian-Saints. This report says: CULT AWARENESS TASK FORCE In the aftermath of the United States Government’s murder of the Branch Davidian congregation in Waco, Texas, there has been much said about cult awareness. Attorney General Janet Reno, seeking to justify the government siege at Waco, gave this definition of a cultist for the Cult Awareness Task Force as she spoke on national television. Study it carefully and you will know how the United States Government (particularly the office of the U.S. Attorney, Janet Reno) thinks quote: “A CULTIST IS ONE WHO HAS A STRONG BELIEF IN THE BIBLE AND THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST; WHO
FREQUENTLY ATTENDS BIBLE STUDIES; WHO HAS A HIGH LEVEL OF FINANCIAL GIVING TO A CHRISTIAN CAUSE; WHO HOME SCHOOLS HIS CHILDREN; WHO HAS ACCUMULATED SURVIVAL FOODS; AND WHO HAS A STRONG BELIEF IN THE 2ND AMMENDMENT; AND WHO DISTRUSTS BIG GOVERNMENT.” The holocaust in Waco brought into clear focus the U.S. Federal government’s (the ten horns) mindset toward fundamental Christianity. Under this definition there are fifty to sixty million Christians living in the United States who qualify as a “cultists.” Open persecution of Christians is now under way in the United States. The New World Order seeks to revive the imperial Roman persecution of Christians. The above report, has been one of many, many instances of this anti-Christian warfare. You can easily see that it is the mindset of the Ten Horns (the United States) to make war against God’s people. Eventually when the supernatural Lamb appears on the world stage they will transfer this warfare from the Christian-Saints in general; and make war against the Lamb and his chosen ones in particular. In this case they will not win because the scriptures say that the Lamb will overcome these ten horns along with the Christian-Saints who are called, chosen and faithful. It says: Rev. 17:12: And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 13: These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. 14: THESE SHALL MAKE WAR WITH THE LAMB AND THE LAMB SHALL OVERCOME THEM; for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. The authority of this anti-Christian criminal behind the scene rulers of America is only temporary and will soon end with the arrival of the supernatural Lamb upon the world’s scene. Notice that after the Lamb and his people conquer the ten horns they then turn and destroy the beast. This is seen very plainly in verse 16 of Revelations chapter 17. It says: Rev. 17:16: And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

THE SECRET RULERSHIP OF AMERICA BY MYSTERY BABYLON IS ONLY TEMPORARY AND WILL SOON END Mystery Babylon herself has identified the patriotic Christian groups that hate her. She calls these Anglo-Saxon Christian groups “HATE GROUPS.” These hate groups are primarily the patriotic white Anglo-Saxons Christians who really do “hate the whore of Babylon.” This hatred of Mystery Babylon by the Christian-Saints is literally the fulfillment of this prophecy of Revelations. These Anglo-Saxon organizations and the Anglo-Saxon Christian-Saints of America (the ten horns) really do hate the New World Order. They hate the secret behind the scene criminals who have secretly stolen and now control our Federal Government. The Christian people who reside within the ten regional governments of the United States hate this secret world-ruling beast and its New World Order even though they are part of its ten horns. These ten horns (the Federal Government) now obediently give its power to the Red Beast and it’s NEW WORLD ORDER. And because of this the Red Beast continues to persecute and destroy the Christian-Saints all over the world. Jesus said there would be tribulation in the world and he said that its source would be the Red-Edomites who call themselves Jews. “Ye are of your father the Devil, and the lusts of your father , ye will do, he was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. (John 8:44).” Again, “I know the blasphemy, of them that say they are Jews, and are not, but are of The Synagogue of Satan” (Rev.
2:9)
THE TEN HORNS OF THE BEAST It is not the nations of Europe, which have built up the Red-Jewish beast of World Communism and the New World Order of Mystery Babylon; instead it has been The United States of America that has built up World Communism and the New World Order. It is from America , which has come the food, technology, and money by which Russia has been able to conquer and control the nations of Asia, and Eastern Europe . The money for the Bolshevik Revolution itself came from New York bankers. The Kuhn and Leob bank, one of the largest Jewish banks in New York , sent one shipment of $20,000,000 in gold directly to Lenin, to bribe Czarist officials, and hire murderers, and assassins for the revolution. Almost all of the money, that financed the Russian Revolution, came from America . When the Communist murder of several millions of Russian farmers, brought Russia to famine in the 1920’s, it was the American, Herbert Hoover, and it was American food and dollars, which then saved the Bolshevik Regime from collapse. It was not the Nations of Europe , who gave this power to the Red Beast; it was the American Federal Government. When the Red Bolsheviks, were ready to collapse again, in the 1930’s, it was Franklin Delanore Roosevelt, who gave formal recognition, to the criminal government of Red Assassins, and clothed them with American prestige. America provided the way, for them to receive trade and aid, from other countries. In the 1940’s, when the German Armies had all but overthrown the Bolshevik power in Eastern Europe, it was American supplies, a flood of guns, ammunition, artillery, planes, bombs, food and supplies, which saved the Communist Government, for the third time in less than 20 years. THE AMERICAN FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BETRAYED, AND GAVE ALL OF EASTERN EUROPE TO THE RED BEAST OF MYSTERY BABYLON AND ITS NEW WORLD ORDER Franklin Delanore Roosevelt, and those around him, diverted war supplies, from Africa, and Europe, and from the Pacific to send them by way of ship to Mermance, in the Arctic, to keep the Bolshevik Regime from collapsing and being overthrown by it’s own people. The war in the Pacific was almost lost to the Japanese, because of this stripping of supplies, from the Pacific Theater of war. Near the end of World War Two, it was America under Roosevelt, then Truman, and General Eisenhower who held back the American, and British Troops, and forced the Germans to surrender, all of Eastern Europe, and Eastern Germany, to the Reds. At the end of World War Two, it was General Eisenhower, and the American Army, which rounded up over 1,000,000 refugees, and escapees from Eastern Europe, and from Russia, and forcibly turned them over to the Bolshevik Red Armies, for deportation to Russia. This betrayal was so brutal, that American Army Officers nicknamed it “Operation Keelhaul.” keel•haul
(kl”hôl”) tr.v. keel•hauled, keel•haul•ing, keel•hauls. 1. Nautical. To discipline by dragging under the keel of a ship. 2. To rebuke harshly. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WERE KEPT IN THE DARK ABOUT THIS BETRAYAL OF THE EUROPEAN REFUGEES OF THE WORLD WHO WERE TURNED OVER TO THE RED BOLSHEVIK BEAST OF MYSTERY BABYLON BY THE AMERICAN FEDERAL GOVERNMENT Reporters who later wrote stories about “Operation Keelhaul,” estimated that almost every anti-Communist refugee in Western Europe was rounded up by Eisenhower, and the American Army and turned over to the Bolshevik Reds. High officials in other European Governments protested this American brutality but Eisenhower was Supreme Commander of all Allied Armies therefore his orders were carried out. The Jewish controlled American Press did not report this genocide, and the American People did not learn of “Operation Keelhaul” until almost 20 years after the war. Within 90 days, the
Chinese Nationalists were running out of American ammunition. They then evacuated to Formosa , and because of no ammunition to defend themselves Mainland China fell to the Red-Jewish-Beast of Bolshevism, courtesy of the United States Government. And this all takes place, while the American People actually oppose, and hate Communism and the New World Order. And the angel says, of those ten Federal Governments of America . Remember this is after the supernatural Lamb and his chosen ones take back their government from the secret hidden behind the scenes rulers who have stolen it. It says in Rev. 17:16; Rev. 17:16: And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. 17: For God hath put in their hearts to fulfill his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. AS RED
BABYLON FALLS SHE WILL BE SEEN BY THE WORLD FOR WHAT SHE REALLY IS It is God Almighty Himself, who has allowed this aid, and help to flow from America , to Red Russia, and Red China, that God’s Word might be fulfilled. It does show that it is God who is in command. Scriptures in the 18th chapter, of Revelation, describes the fall of Babylon , which will take place over a very short period of time. It is only as Babylon falls, or is destroyed, that the people of the earth will see her for what she really is. While Babylon was in full power, and still existed, most people did not even suspect her existence, to say nothing of how she secretly rules the world, including America . But now Babylon is falling. She is being exposed, and made naked for all to see how she secretly operates. THE RICH AND POWERFUL INTERNATIONAL CORPORATIONS OF THE WORLD WILL WEEP AND WAIL WHEN MYSTERY BABYLON FALLS Babylon is that thing which has made many men rich.
Many men have become billionaires, by operating under Babylon ’s rules. People wonder why the rich men of the world do not use their wealth to fight Communism and the New World Order. The truth is that many of the rich men of the world have made their wealth by helping Communism and the New World Order. Communism and the New World Order, are not all there is to Mystery Babylon, massive world trade and the international corporations are part of Mystery Babylon. MASSIVE WORLD TRADE IS PART OF MYSTERY BABYLON , MAKING THE INTERNATIONAL CORPORATIONS OF THE WORLD RICH The international corporations of the earth, are made, or waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. The several thousand men, who own and operate 100 of the largest banks, in New York City alone have lent over 20 billion dollars to Moscow in the last few years, drawing upwards of 2 billion dollars in interest each year, off the backs of the Soviet Workers. The Rockefeller
Brothers, have opened a Chase Manhattan Branch, at number one, Carl Marx Square , across from the Kremlin. They lend money, directly to the Soviet Rulers, and the Soviet Citizens, collecting usury under the protection of the Red Army. In every country taken over by the Red-Jewish-Communists, they first occupied the territory, then sold oil and mineral rights to American international corporations, and European oil companies, such as Exxon. In the Congo , Shell Oil rigs are guarded by Negroes armed with Soviet weapons.
From the article The Idiot’s Guide to China gate, Richard Poe States
When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, China presented no threat to the United States .
Chinese missiles “couldn’t hit the side of a barn,” notes Timothy W. Maier of Insight
magazine. Few could reach North America and those that made it would likely miss
their targets.
Thanks to Bill Clinton, China can now hit any city in the USA , using state-of-the-art
solid-fueled missiles with dead-accurate, computerized guidance systems and multiple
warheads.
China probably has suitcase nukes as well. These enable China to strike by proxy—
equipping nuclear-armed terrorists to do its dirty work while the Chinese play innocent.
Some intelligence sources claim that China maintains secret stockpiles of chemical,
biological and nuclear weapons on U.S. soil, for just such contingencies. “We like your president. We want to see him re-elected,” former Chinese intelligence
chief Gen. Ji Shengde told China gate bagman Johnny Chung.
Indeed, Chinese intelligence organized a massive covert operation aimed at tilting the
1996 election Clinton ’s way. Clinton’s top campaign contributors for 1992 were Chinese agents; his top donors in 1996 were U.S. defense contractors selling missile technology to China . Clinton recieved funding directly from known or suspected Chinese intelligence agents, among them James and Mochtar Riady, who own the Indonesian Lippo Group; John Huang; Charlie Trie; Ted Sioeng; Maria Hsia; Wang Jun and others.
Needless to say, China does not share Clinton ’s enthusiasm for globalism or multipolarity.
The Chinese look out for No. 1.
“War [with the United States ] is inevitable; we cannot avoid it,” said Chinese Defense
Minister Gen. Chi Haotian in 2000. “The issue is that the Chinese armed forces must
control the initiative in this war.” By Richard Poe.

The ACLU is in a dangerous and risky undertaking, for they are vastly outnumbered.
If average Americans understood their true agenda, there would be an uprising of
revolutionary proportions. Therefore, secrecy of their true agenda is critical.

Woe unto you, lawyers! For you have taken away the key of knowledge: you entered
not in yourselves, and them that were entering in you hindered. (Luke 11:52)

Capitalism and Communism, and the New World Order are not at war with each other, Capitalism, and Communism and the New World Order are partners, in the war of the conquest of the peoples of the world. Capitalism and the International Corporations provide Communism and the New World Order, with the money, tools and weapons of conquest. Then when the people are reduced to slave status, they are put to work by these international corporations, to produce goods, which are then shipped, and traded by the Capitalists in the world markets. It is an arrangement, of total cooperation, but it is always accompanied by words of anger, and accusations by both sides, against each other. The purpose of those words, are to confuse the peoples of the world, and keep them from realizing, that Communism, the New World Order, the international corporations, and Capitalism are all partners, not enemies in the conquest of the peoples of the earth.
MYSTERY BABYLON WILL BE DESTROYED BY VIOLENCE Verse 21 it says that Mystery Babylon will be thrown down with violence, it says; Rev. 18:21: And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

Truth Seeker,
Sir, the author asked that anyone who does not believe in prophecy for today not post on this forum. It seems to me you are one that does not believe in prophecy for today... If you do, please give me a list of people you believe are true prophets. Secondly, and I say this to all, it is common among those who are anti-spiritual gifts, anti-prophecy to give all their quotes from the O.T. when God changed the role of prophecy (Paul commanded in Corinthians that while one is giving a prophecy the others should test whats being said, he did not say if someone got it wrong they were a false-prophet,etc like was the case in the O.T.)

Sir, it is as undiscerning and anti-truth to reject everything charismatic as it is to accept everything charismatic, and I pray that you allow Christ to touch your heart and bring His truth to you through the Holy Spirit and the Word of God, not through a head filled with knowledge that puffs up. Jesus came and the ones who "really knew their Bible" so to speak attacked Him b/c they thought he was contrasting the Scriptures, when in fact He was the fulfilling them.

If you are set on obeying the Word, please, heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead as Jesus commanded in Matthew 10 (don't tell me that was an assignment only for the Apostles, b/c the whole Bible was a list of commandments given to someone else that we believe is also for us)Not to mention, in a Biblical context of miracles Jesus said "He who believes in me will do the things that I do, greater things than these he will do..."--If you aren't doing that spend more time seeking God and less time arguing (this is a word for me also, as I have seen some miracles, but still very little)

I hope God blesses you and guides you into all Truth as you seek Him,
Winston

"If You are Unfaithful in Little, You are Also, Unfaithful in Much!". I Personally Don't Believe in ALOT of what David Wilkerson Teaches! He is a Pretribulation Rapture Believer, and The Bible DOESN'T Teach a Pretribulation Rapture! "In a Moment, in a Twinkling of an Eye, at the LAST Trump...etc". There are 7 Trumpets...The LAST One is the SEVENTH Trumpet! THAT Time Frame SUPERCEDES, David Wilkerson's and OTHER 'Liars of Leaving's' Time Frame! So...If David is Wrong about The rapture...he Is Wrong About MANY MANY MANY OTHER Things as WELL! The Twinkling of an Eye Only Pertains to have FAST The Dead in Christ are Raised Up FIRST...Then The Christians that are Still Alive When Jesus returns, On His Way Down to Earth for the 1,000 Year Millenium! The Twinkling of an Eye is NOT Talking about How Fast Jesus Returns...He is NOT Going Back To Heaven....He's On His Way DOWN TO EARTH'S Soil! PERIOD! Now...I can ASSURE You That There are Things FAR WORSE That is Going to Happen To Earth, That SURPASSES What is Being Told! The Lord Has Judgements FAR MORE INTENSE, Than The Prosperity Glutton Churches THINKS! They are Only into God for MATERIAL Gain,and THAT'S IT!! God Is DISGUSTED With Today's Comfort Zone Gluttons, with Their Effeminated ways,and Sissified Lifestyles! Huch Ministries is The EPITOME of Crotch Rot Doctrine being Loved and Worshipped,Like a PIG at a Roast Beef Feast! The GREATER DAMNATION Awaits Them If They DON'T Repent! God Has a NEW REMNANT, That He has Put Through a RIGOROUS Bootcamp Like Intensity, Because The Church that FORESOOK Sound Doctrine,to Hire Teachers to Tickle Their Ears Can No Longer STOMACH The REAL DEAL, So They Left Their First Love, for the Prosperity Doctrine,and God No Longer Has ANY Use for THEM! America is NO Ready for The UNIMAGINABLE PUNISHMENT, That is Sticking Its Head Out from Just Down The Pike,and is EVEN NOW, Roaring Forth God's RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION! Either REPENT, Church NOW...Or, YOU'RE GOING TO REALLY FEEL TOTALLY BAD!! Ipso - Facto!

I read your notes about not believing David Wilkerson.... I pray you change your mind.. this is serious and will affect your entire family...

Remember the story of Noah? they did not believe him either and he walked by faith honest believing God told him to build an ark... and he and his FAMILY entered the ark and was safe.....

Don't take a chance... Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and your will be saved and YOUR HOUSE........

Why take a chance to see "whose right"... as long as we are 'RIGHT"
WITH God...

have a great day.
Consider....... even the ants prepared for safety... even the squirrels.......etc... we are much wiser....