In the "Collapse of Evangelicalism" below, a commenter named Meg, who identifies herself as a secular liberal, posted the following lengthy indictment of the Christianity in which she was raised. I don't agree with all of her points, for reasons that regular readers of this blog will easily discern. But I'm not going to counter them here. (The title of this post, by the way, is a reference to Kierkegaard's scandalous attack, from a Christian perspective, on bourgeois Christianity of his time). I do want everyone who cares about this stuff to give her heartfelt post a close reading. There's something there to challenge all of us -- conservatives, obviously, but also liberal Christians who make Christianity soft and accomodating. I would even say that Meg, who at the end of her post makes it clear that she longs for God, should ask if she's willing to accept God on terms that may not square with the God she wants to believe in (for me, when I was about Meg's age, that was the thing that kept me away from faith, though I wanted to believe as fiercely as Meg does: I wanted God to agree to my terms, and it made me mad that He would not).
Anyway, here's Meg's piece. Like I said, I disagree with some of this, but I thank her for writing it, and I hope it draws equally thoughtful and introspective responses from readers. I'm going to watch this thread closely to keep off posts that shed more heat than light in the discussion. Just so you know.
Having read both your article and the one you refer to, I can't say that I disagree much. Full disclosure: I'm 24, from Tennessee, raised in a moderate-to-conservative United Methodist Church and I now consider myself a decided liberal and I am not a practicing Christian, nor do I even know if I COULD go back to the Methodist church (or any church in the Christian faith), both for personal and spiritual reasons.One of the biggest mistakes I think churches are making today is to try to market their faith the way cereal and iPods and rock stars market themselves. Because it's long been a fact of our culture that anything that appears on the TV is, by it's nature, short lived. Celebrities are hot one moment, and completely forgotten by next year. More than that, nothing on TV is or seems quite real. I had Youth Ministers who tried to teach Christian lessons using popular movies (as though, somehow, we could eke out the meaning of life and God by watching scenes from Titanic), who tried to turn hymns into pop music. As you can see by my introduction, I was less than persuaded, and I wager most of my fellow church going youth of the same age were not persuaded.
Marketing Christianity the way you market reality TV just teaches people that the Christian faith is disposable, that it's not really real at all. You've already taught an entire generation that Christianity is just a show, just smoke and mirrors, just old guys on the TV who say one thing and do anything.
I also agree with various assertions that associating conservative evangelism with the Republican party is a big mistake. The fact is, Christianity is a faith which prospers best when most divorced from secular and political authority. The religion itself sprung out of a handful of rebellious men, one of whom got executed just for his views and teachings (I hear he's important to this story!). It then grew into the religion of the underground, the underdog, the underprivileged. It was the religion of slaves, of those disenfranchised by the Roman Empire. Not only that, but Christianity was, spiritually, vibrant enough to compete within the crowded marketplace of gods and goddesses at that time.
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Christianity had to compete with an empire that not only had the Roman gods, but also incorporated mystery cults (ie, the Cult of Isis) from Egypt [nota bene: I use "cult" in the ancient sense of the word where it means more like "sect", and it should not be confused with our modern sense of the word] and Zoroastrian beliefs, and Greek philosophies. Yet, in all this, Christianity eventually rose to become the religion of an emperor and eventually, an empire. It triumphed, because when it was the religion of the underdog, of the forgotten, of the invisible, it had real teeth. In the ancient world, where it was clear that the rich got monuments that put them next to the gods and the poor just vanished out of existence, the power of something said that there is a great equalizer out there, that you don't need money, don't need power, need only faith was immense.But now, that's not the message at all. Christianity is like that rock star that starts out as a great underground, indie musical artist doing awesome stuff and then lands a contract and gets a bunch of money and turns into a commercial sellout, and suddenly, the music, the beauty is all gone and all you have left is a doped up, partied-out, hypocritical shell of a person who once was a genius and is now just so much wasted potential. I would posit that not only does the Christian faith need a dire revision, but that it needs to reconsider it's mainstream positions on gay marriage and reproductive choice. I know that as someone who used to be a Christian, it does more to keep me away from the doors of a church to see people protesting in front of abortion clinics, trying to shame the women who go there, desperate and turning to their last resort, calling them names and shouting at them when I think, "Gee, what if you spent half this energy finding foster placement for the kids who did get born and their parents didn't want them?"
Not to mention that seeing mainstream Christianity protest against same-sex marriage when over half of hetero marriages can't seem to hold themselves together for love nor money does more to convince me that the spiritual force in Christianity is dead and all that is left is an over politicized, power hungry group of hatemongers than anything else. I think of all the money spent on Prop 8 ads, telling people gay marriage was bad. What if the churches and Christian leaders had spent that time and money on marriage counseling services for couples in trouble? It's not only hypocritical but abysmally stupid for Christian leaders to tell me that gay marriage is such a threat to straight marriage. After all, only two states in the union allow legal same-sex marriages, and they've only allowed that in the last two years. The decline of marriage and the stability of straight marriage has been in the dumps long before the GLBT community held the first parade.
What if all this money and time were spent doing constructive things? What if these rich megachurches who have holdings and wealth in the millions sold their properties and gave that money to helping people who have lost their jobs and have no health insurance, to people who are sick and may die but can't go to a doctor, to the homeless, to those in prison who believe no one cares, to the victims of genocide and war in Darfur. It is my belief that no church needs anything more than some fold out chairs and a tent to keep the rain off their heads. Anything else is window dressing and vanity. Could you imagine how many blankets and meals you could buy for people who are cold and hungry with just the money spent on ads for prop 8 alone? How many people could have eaten, been fed, been told that they matter, been given some comfort that there is good in the world? But that wasn't done.
I wish sometimes there was a church I could go to, because I feel such a longing for fellowship and faith, but I know that Christianity is an illusion now. You can't go and get that from a church anymore. They don't sing real songs anymore, they sing 7-11 hymns (as my grandfather calls them) where they repeat the same bland seven word sentence eleven times and call it praise.
We do have problems in our society. I think that so many people are depressed, to the point of needing medication, because there is a spiritual vacuum. People need spirituality, need faith in something that tells them that this life means something, that all the things you go through on this Earth have a point, that we aren't just cosmic accidents floating around, waiting to pop out of existence into nothingness for no reason at all. People need purpose and meaning. But Christianity is not the faith to get it from anymore, that much has become apparent to me. I cannot go back to the place I came from, because there is nothing there. Because I cannot decide my faith in the same way I decide which candidate to vote for or which cereal to buy. I want to know about God, if there is a God, what is God like? I want to know what happens when we die, and I want to know why we're here, and I want something that tells me I'm not just flailing around, stupidly, and then we die. I was in the United Methodist Church from birth to age 18, and I never once felt like anyone even addressed those questions, much less answered them.
So, this all to say that I agree. Evangelism and Christianity are collapsing, but it is not the fault of secularism. Christianity, as a whole, is weak through it's own wrong doings. Any force, whether it be secularism or another religion, would be doing the same damage. The heart has been eaten out of the faith, the soul's been rotted through. And until someone tries to fix what is ailing Christianity's heart and soul, nothing else is going to matter much.

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Thank you for sharing Geoff. I wish you the best in your spiritual quest.
Geoff, also, try to have the same faith in your partner that he has shown in you.
It may be that he has a lot of baggage concerning religion. Many of us have been damaged by our religious upbringing (and please do not be offended other posters. I am not insulting your faith. I am speaking from the heart based on personal experience). It may be that you fear triggering that hurt by openly talking about your quest.
But see, seeking your own spiritual pathway isn't about him. It is about you and what you need to be a whole person. If can't handle YOU seeking your own spiritual path, then whether he realizes it or not, carrying that baggage keeps him from being a whole person. So, by talking about this with him in an open way and being open, supportive, and loving even within his negative reaction to it, you create an opportunity for him to face that hurt and heal. He may not choose the same path as you and may not need what you need, but dealing with that baggage is healthy for him.
Have faith in yourself, him, and your relationship. Hiding your spiritual needs is not good for either of you, and you do not do him credit by thinking he can't face this in you.
geoff,
that last line should say, praying in front of the Blessed Sacrament and encyclicals are a great place to start. You obviously have to be catholic and confess all serious sins before you can actually receive the sacraments.
Anon,
...that is one of the problems with Christianity in the western world, we place such an emphasis on individualism that every person's opinion (Hudson) is considered consequential.
That's one way to put it. I disagree with it, but I understand its motivating principle: there must be a stable definition of commonality, or the structure will simply collapse.
I suggest another angle, and I'll phrase it personally because it is my actual POV. The problem I have with Christianity (period) is that it places little to no respect with the individualism inherent in spirituality. I experience spirit differently from anyone else. I can point to a significant (if trivial, must admit) difference between any two Christians I know and with whom I have had this intimate a conversation. Rather than filtering experience through dogma, seek to see how each individual has connected with dogma.
anon, please rest assured that I have always maintained great respect for the Eucharist; on the occasions where I have attended Mass, I have always refrained from participating in Holy Communion when I am not in a state of grace (according to Catholic teaching), which has been continuous now since the events I described in the post above.
I am well aware that if and when the time comes to start on that road again, one of the very first steps will be the sacrament of Reconciliation, including whatever penance I merit. I also understand that in order to participate in the Eucharist, I must fully accept Catholic teachings on doctrines like transubstantiation.
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