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Nine days vs. three months

Wednesday March 25, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality

Andrew Sullivan endorses Damon Linker's view that I have a "fixation" with gays. Hmm. According to my count, Andrew posted 18 times on homosexuality since March 16. In other words, he posted more in the last nine days on homosexuality than I've posted in all of 2009 (17).

When Andrew and Damon accuse me of having a "fixation," what they must mean, what they could only mean, is that I refuse to agree with their position on gay marriage, and refuse to be silent about it. Note what is being done here, though: By casting the ordinary defense of normative Christian doctrine about homosexual relations as though it were a sort of mental illness, the pro-SSM side engages the issue not in a fair-minded discussion and debate about legitimate issues related to gay marriage and the normalization of homosexuality in our society, but as an ideological war to be won by any means necessary. Any critique of the pro-SSM side is to be treated as a sign of pathology. As a short-term rhetorical strategy, it's probably smart, given that most of the news media already agree with it. But walling yourself off in an ideological bubble, where you make no effort to try to understand why your opponents believe what they believe, and to try to grasp if they have a point, is neither fair, nor honorable, nor, in the long term, wise.

It's a big world beyond the cultural bubble of Washington, DC, and urban centers. I have no trouble understanding why Andrew and those who share his views on homosexuality believe in gay marriage, and advocate for it. I think they're wrong, but their opinions are certainly valid, and, well, normal. To not be able to understand why more than half the country holds the opinion it does on the matter, aside from the notion that all those people are crazy bigots, reveals a sense of parochialism that is startling in people of their intellectual caliber and experience. Or is it the idea that being against gay marriage is fine for the yahoos, but inexplicable and intolerable when it's a view held by people Andrew and Damon might actually enjoy talking to about ideas and issues, and with whom they might actually agree on a lot? In other words, is holding traditional Christian views about homosex and sexuality a form of class treason?

Andrew quotes George Orwell at the top of his blog. He should read up on the meaning of Orwellian.

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Franklin Evans
March 26, 2009 1:33 PM

trp, perhaps an analogy would help clarify my point. I'll use one in which I have a stake, as it were: given the rest of the legal and regulatory context, do you believe a Catholic (or any Christian) adoption agency should be permitted to discriminate by denying a an otherwise qualified, married, heterosexual couple an adoption because they are Wiccans? There are plenty of religious people who believe paganism is immoral.

BobN
March 26, 2009 2:07 PM

Thanks, Franklin, for your calm response. I'm sorry that my tone conveyed my frustration. There are so many deceptions and misrepresentations about BCC that it gets infuriating.

"government regulation means compliance" Exactly. And BCC complied with MA non-discrimination law for, I think, over a decade after sexual orientation was added to the list of prohibited considerations. BCC adopted a few children (around a dozen) to gay couples. [it might even be only a dozen to gay couples and individuals, I don't remember] They also arranged many adoptions by single people and announced no plans to stop that practice, even though, in trp's words, it would deprive a child of a mother or father.

You also rightly point out that enforcement is an entirely different matter. Surely if the Mormons can find enough wiggle room, the Catholics can with 1800 years more practice.

BobN
March 26, 2009 2:17 PM

trp,

"All things are more or less equal between them: income, education, criminal background check, etc. You, quite reasonably, believe that it's better for Billy to have a mother and a father. If you opt for the hetero couple on the basis of this belief, you run the risk of having your agency's license revoked. A common-sense policy is now illegal in Mass., and that is a direct consequence of the state's adoption of gay marriage."

To use your phrase, that's just not true. Insofar as the situation is "illegal", it is so because of MA anti-discrimination law. The only charitable way to view the sincerity of your example is to assume that you consider the married state of a gay couple to bring them up to par with a married MF couple and that that equalization in the law would lead to more situations wherein two couples were more or less equal to each other. The implication, of course, it that not being married is a distinct disadvantage for the gay couple. Thank you for showing why SSM is a necessary right.

One last point about adoption "shopping". Though it is not always the case, many gay couples, including some among those helped by BCC before their change in policy, adopt difficult cases, special-needs children, older children, sibling groups. The fierce competition among heterosexual couples is for white infants. In your highly selectively applied quest to provide every child with a mother and a father, you would consign many, many children to a life with neither.

Avi
March 27, 2009 7:15 PM

Conservative Christians don't seem to be aware of just how silly and absurd they seem when they accuse others of "destroying marriage" or otherwise radically changing the definition of "family."

But evangelical Protestantism, with its curious attitude toward theology and doctrine, dominates the way many Americans think about religion, so it's not surprising that many Christians, even among the Eastern Orthodox, would choose to see gay marriage as an inevitable outcome of the "Sexual Revolution" and not an inevitable consequence of the Reformation.

The Reformers first made way for secular society so that people, and not the state, could make decisions about religion for themselves.

What's particularly fascinating is how very early this freedom necessarily included fully articulated ideas about the sorts of choices people should be able to make on their own about whom they chose to marry and whether or not to end a marriage by legally recognized divorce.

Quite early on in the Reformation we see a number of its leaders arguing quite strongly that marriage was not to be understood solely as a baby-making venture, but that sexual and romantic love, and friendship, were on their own to be understood as a legitimate basis for Christian marriage.

Yet Jesus was utterly clear that marriage was forever.

And Christendom generally honored his unambiguous teaching on the matter for many centuries until Protestants decided that "forever" meant "depending on how long I can tolerate this nitwit I married."

Once you've decided that "forever" doesn't mean forever, and that God happily endorses marriages based solely on passion or even friendship, you've pretty much radically changed what people mean by "marriage" and "family."

But simply because this revolution took place in the distant pass doesn't mean that its effects weren't revolutionary.

Conservative Christians refuse to acknowledge that they are the direct beneficiaries of a movement every bit as radical in scope and intent as Mao's Cultural Revolution.

Even Mr. Dreher owes much to the destruction and upheaval caused by the Reformation.

He can choose which religion to follow without worrying that the state will toss him on a pyre for heresy.

However, should others seek to exercise the freedoms provided them by the Reformation, Mr. Dreher squeals and yips and rhetorically darts about one way and then another, in an apparent effort to evade the overwhelming sense of bad faith and hypocrisy breathing down his neck.


Homer
March 29, 2009 7:23 PM

You "tolerate" homosexuals? Tolerate? Isn't that just sugar-coated hate?

I "tolerate" Christians but I am not interested in creating laws that make their relationships illegal.

Tolerate? Really?

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