Mark Danner's must-read piece about the damning meaning of the Red Cross torture report. Excerpt:
When it comes to torture, it is not what we did but what we are doing. It is not what happened but what is happening and what will happen. In our politics, torture is not about whether or not our polity can "let the past be past"--whether or not we can "get beyond it and look forward." Torture, for Dick Cheney and for President Bush and a significant portion of the American people, is more than a repugnant series of "procedures" applied to a few hundred prisoners in American custody during the last half-dozen or so years--procedures that are described with chilling and patient particularity in this authoritative report by the International Committee of the Red Cross. Torture is more than the specific techniques--the forced nudity, sleep deprivation, long-term standing, and suffocation by water," among others--that were applied to those fourteen "high-value detainees" and likely many more at the "black site" prisons secretly maintained by the CIA on three continents.Torture, as the former vice-president's words suggest, is a critical issue in the present of our politics--and not only because of ongoing investigations by Senate committees, or because of calls for an independent inquiry by congressional leaders, or for a "truth commission" by a leading Senate Democrat, or because of demands for a criminal investigation by the ACLU and other human rights organizations, and now undertaken in Spain, the United Kingdom, and Poland.[3] For many in the United States, torture still stands as a marker of political commitment--of a willingness to "do anything to protect the American people," a manly readiness to know when to abstain from "coddling terrorists" and do what needs to be done. Torture's powerful symbolic role, like many ugly, shameful facts, is left unacknowledged and undiscussed. But that doesn't make it any less real. On the contrary.
Torture is at the heart of the deadly politics of national security. The former vice-president, as able and ruthless a politician as the country has yet produced, appears convinced of this. For if torture really was a necessary evil in what Mr. Cheney calls the "tough, mean, dirty, nasty business" of "keeping the country safe," then it follows that its abolition at the hands of the Obama administration will put the country once more at risk.
Whenever I'd hear President Bush saying, repeatedly, "We do not torture," I never could make my mind up whether he was saying that out of political expediency, or whether he really believed it -- and that he had to tell himself that our torturing of detainees wasn't torture, because as a devout Christian, that's the only way his conscience could let him rest. I still wonder.
Steve Waldman raises a great question: Why didn't the even more explicitly devout Christian, Attorney General John Ashcroft, raise his voice against torture, which he knew about? Excerpt:
In Never Again, his book about his years as Attorney General, Ashcroft doesn't mention torture or "enhanced interrogation" at all. He doesn't ackowledge wrestling with the ethical issues, even by way of justifying the decisions. The closest he comes is a phrase defending the right to "ask probing questions" of suspected terrorist detainees.On one of the greatest moral questions of the administration -- and arguably one of the greatest challenges to Christian ethics of the last decade -- he has nothing to say.
For sake of argument, let's say Ashcroft shouldn't have brought his religious beliefs into his decision-making. Perhaps we want our Attorney General to completely submerge his religion when dealing with policy. Indeed, on other occasions Ashcroft apparently went against his personal beliefs in order to enforce the law -- as when he had federal marshals protect doctors who perform abortions.
But if that's the case, I'm left wondering: what is the value of having a religious person in office? I don't mean that as a snarky rhetorical question. I'm honestly perplexed: if ever there was a situation when we actually could have benefited from having a self-righteous, moral, Bible-reading, God-fearing Christian in the room to morally challenge utilitarian thinking, the discussions about torture would have been it.
IOW, when it came to speaking out against torture, Ashcroft was another irrelevant Christian in power.

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Erin, see my response to you in the Vermont thread.
You are making this into a black-and-white case. You are saying, in essence, that when I -- as non-Christian as you can find -- agree with a Christian moralist's words and actions, then I am living in a Christian nation, but when I disagree, I am attacking Christianity in general and according to some a traitor to my nation.
When I spoke out in public against torture, it was (at least nominal) Christians who called me an America-hater and a traitor.
So, plug that into your posted logic and please explain to me what I should say and do the next time a Christian-anointed leader does something against which I am morally opposed. Your comparison point would be the abandonment (in my view) of a fully, morally justified invasion of Afghanistan before the jobs was half done for an immoral invasion of a soveriegn nation because of maybe this, perhaps that, and he's an evil leader. When I supported Bush's decision for Afghanistan, I was a good follower of Christian morality. When I decried his decision to invade Iraq, I was anti-American at best, guilty of treason at least, and attacking a good Christian.
Please, explain it to me.
low-tech cyclist -- Perfect response to Rod's concerns. I doubt he was sincerely confused about your original point; but you know, sometimes the leap to defend a personal hero precedes sufficient reflection on whether that hero merits defense.
Your Name -- You expressed the anti-abortion, pro-life choices quite well: "Which is more moral? (a) talking about how abortions should be added to the murder statutes even though it will never happen, or (b) doing positive [socially progressive and morally consistent] things so there are fewer abortions?" I would add that "(b)" has formed the agenda for pro-life Democrats, while "(a)" has guided the talking points of pretend-pro-life Republicans. I only wish more progressives, who support choice "(b)" would become comfortable self-identifying explicitly as pro-life; but unfortunately the "pro-life" label was long ago cynically co-opted by the pro-death penalty right wing.
Freelunch, try Mozilla Firefox for a web browser if you ever get the chance. I have problems with IE as well.
I'd like to point out that when Roe V. Wade was decided we didn't have the technology we do today to look inside the womb with small cameras and study fetal development. The fact that we don't legally call abortion murder doesn't mean it isn't so. Around the times Dread Scott was decided one could do anything one wanted with 'his' negro (or property) and hence it wasn't called murder.
"They don't want to throw women in prison for decades for this. We already have experience with a time that abortion was illegal. It didn't work very well."
We NEVER experienced this. There is only one case in all of American history when a woman who procured an abortion was actually prosecuted. Back alley abortionists were the ones who received the brunt of legal repercussions and deservedly so. Plus I don't see anything resembling the Nuremburg Trials looming on the horizon seeing as how abortion is legal now. Illegalizing it would only subject abortionists practicing after such a declaration to prosecution.
"Does the economy matter? Is someone more likely to have an abortion if they fear they won't be able to afford to care for the child or if they have a strong social safety net?"
An argument could actually be made that we're not going to be able to support the baby boomers in their twilight years because one third of preborns have been aborted since '73; therefore way fewer workers to pick up the tab :-(so much for our safety net)-:
Catholic Democrat: low-tech cyclist -- Perfect response to Rod's concerns. I doubt he was sincerely confused about your original point; but you know, sometimes the leap to defend a personal hero precedes sufficient reflection on whether that hero merits defense.
Ha! Anyone who thinks that Bush is any kind of "personal hero" of mine either is a crackhead, or hasn't been reading this blog for long.
Rod -- "Ha! Anyone who thinks that Bush is any kind of "personal hero" of mine either is a crackhead, or hasn't been reading this blog for long."
Insults aside, point taken. And having examined some of the archives, I do see ample evidence of your ability to shun the kool-aid. Hats off to you for that. (And apologies for false assumptions on my part.)
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