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South Africa fades

Thursday April 23, 2009

Categories: International
Apartheid is only a bad memory, thank heaven, but now we see that South Africa has become pretty much like every other African country: a basket case, only not quite as bad as most....
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Derek Copold
April 23, 2009 10:25 AM

Peter Hitchens has a great article on this in The American Conservative.

Your Name
April 23, 2009 10:27 AM

Look, apartheid was unsustainable. It no doubt led to petty humiliations and worse.

But seriously, do you guys think that the Afrikaaners devised the system simply to be evil? No, they devised it both to maintain their own privileges and to maintain an almost first world economy/society on a continent with just about zero of those, among people that haven't, so far, been able to produce one. The Afrikaaners two goals were so tightly intertwined that they couldn't be separated.

There were, I recall, plenty of feasible alternatives to the current situation. The country could have been cantonized to where Afrikaners and/or English speaking whites could make up the majority or very sizeable minorities in some juristictions. But that would be 'racist'. The ANC and all the good thinking moralists in the West (and among White South Africans) insisted 'one man one vote in a unitary state). And they got it.

Your Name
April 23, 2009 10:46 AM

I have a South African friend (white, English-speaking) who says it's really bad. He almost dreads trips home, and worries about the safety of his elderly father.

Democracy as we know it was invented by the English, and still works best where English is spoken. (The record of the continent of Europe in the last century is not entirely satisfactory on this matter, though of course we have hopes for the future.) Language notwithstanding, South Africa seems not to have quite made the cut.

celtic dragon critter
April 23, 2009 12:22 PM

I have met quite a few ex patriate South Africans who have fled here from the violence and corruption. My folks were missionaries in Zimbabwe some time back, and used to go down to SA for goods and vacation, so I try to stay informed on goings on there. None of what I hear is good.

I have actually seen demonstrations of a flamethrower that you can install under the drivers side of a car that will cook the legs and feet of a carjacker!!

Jo'burg and Pretoria have had some of the highest rates of violent carjacking in the world...

Ostrea
April 23, 2009 12:37 PM

I would like to get one of those flamethrowers.

Zach
April 23, 2009 1:09 PM

I can corroborate the comment at 10:46 AM; my stepmother is an Afrikaner who came here about 10 years ago. Her family back home lives in awful poverty, even with the money she sends home. She's going home for 2 weeks in a few days, and I can't describe how worried I am. Some friends of hers left their fairly comfortable life (even by our standards) in SA and moved to the US, so their children could get a decent education, and now they're barely making it on minimum wage jobs.

stari_momak
April 23, 2009 1:30 PM

Sam Francis once advocated a campaign whereby white Americans create a pressure group to help settle South African whites here in the US. These are people with whom we share a similar history -- their ancestors went to the Cape instead of New York (i.e. New Amsterdam). They had their battles against the British Empire and hostile natives, and so did we. (By we, I am going by the general demographics of blog readers/posters, i.e. whites) Other groups obviously push for immigration of what they feel to be racial 'kin' -- I remember a few years back the Congressional Black Congress pushing for more Haitian immigration. So here is an opportunity for positive collective action by whites.

LFD
April 23, 2009 2:09 PM

So, we're thankful apartheid is only a distant memory? But now, we're fretful South Africa is becoming a third world hell-hole? What kind of insane logic is this? Can you not reason that the ONLY thing keeping South Africa from becoming a pit WAS APARTHEID? Perhaps I'm way off base, and your post is entirely tongue-in-cheek; if so, my apologies.

Geoff G.
April 23, 2009 2:17 PM

Let us not forget that Mrs. Taljaard is an active member of the DA. Considering that many activists in the Republican party are seriously putting forth the idea that a 39% tax rate (i.e. a return to what we had less than ten years ago) is socialism, it's possible that her view from the opposition benches is a little skewed.

Let us also not forget the enormous problems that the country faced and continues to face in terms of widespread poverty. The idea that South Africa was a first world country was largely an illusion sustained by the cheap and expendable labor supply that Apartheid produced. It was essentially a colonial economy. Now it has to transition to a modern one. These are not trivial things to accomplish.

As absolutely horrendous as Thabo Mbeki was on some issues (and if there's any justice, there's a special place in hell for him for his HIV/AIDS policies, and let's not even mention his Zimbabwe policy), one thing that he actually did right was to pursue fairly liberal trade and economic policies. And while there's still a great deal of work to do, the fact that there is an emergent black middle class (2.6 million of them) in South Africa does show that some progress has been made.

I wouldn't necessarily write off democracy in South Africa either. It's pretty natural for the ANC to have an immense reservoir of goodwill, considering both their leadership role in fighting Apartheid and the figure of Mandela himself. COPE itself shows that the natural instinct of dissidents within a party is to form their own party rather than settle scores behind closed doors in ways reminiscent of one-party nations.

The closest political analog of South Africa might be the PRI in Mexico, which had decades of rule and some big problems with corruption as well. Yet there we've seen that the political system can in fact open up and institutional inertia isn't enough to keep a single party in a relatively open country in power forever.

Would I be happier seeing the DA increase its influence? Perhaps even form a government? Sure. Ultimately, strong opposition parties are essential to good government (which is why I view the self-destruction of the Republicans as a real problem for the US). I still see South Africa as being the best hope on the continent for the establishment of real democracy and prosperity on the continent.

Elizabeth Anne
April 23, 2009 4:09 PM

Wow, I love how we (using Stari's definition of "we" here /snark) can come into a continent, strip mine it of its resources, subjugate its people, aid in the selling of its children, pull out quickly, and then come back fifty years later and say "My goodness! What a terrible mess this place is! You people really should take better care of it, you know!"

BobN
April 23, 2009 4:25 PM

Anyone who thinks that SA is a basketcase "much like every other African country" doesn't know much about basket weaving.

MarcM
April 23, 2009 4:29 PM

"Wow, I love how we (using Stari's definition of "we" here /snark) can come into a continent, strip mine it of its resources, subjugate its people, aid in the selling of its children, pull out quickly, and then come back fifty years later and say "My goodness! What a terrible mess this place is! You people really should take better care of it, you know!""

Well of course the blacks there were simply too ignorant and lazy to build any kind of proper capitalist businesses there themselves. Imagine...sitting on all those minerals for all those generations. Thank God the white man came along and decided to show those poor, ignorant blacks how to properly use the natural wealth God had put there just beneath their feet.

/snark

Michael
April 23, 2009 10:42 PM

Everyone knew this was going to happen. Some cultures are skilled and productive and some aren't and we all know which is which. I was in college in the 1970's during the anti-apartheid obsession. The obsessives never thought clearly about what was going to happen when their favorite ex-terrorists took over. I wonder what the 70s-era protestors are doing now.

togo
April 23, 2009 11:12 PM

South African expat Ilana Mercer:
http://barelyablog.com/?p=7427

The consistently moronic mainstream media’s angle on the forthcoming elections in the One-Party state that is South Africa: The ANC “is finally starting to slip.”

Let’s correct this bit of remedial revisionism. That my homeland is only now collapsing irretrievably into a black hole is a testament to the strength of the institutions and infrastructure—economic and civil society—planted there by the founders of South Africa, Boer and British.

Zimbabwe also took time to crumble; and that was not because Mugabe “started to slip,” although the same morons who castigate him now, cheered him on initially, and looked surprised when another African Big Man shifted into savage mode.

A strong economy and institutions take time to collapse. Zimbabwe was once an oasis in the desert that is Africa because of the phantom Ian Smith, prime minister of Rhodesia, RIP.
(...)

clasqm
April 24, 2009 4:29 AM

Just one small comment from an actual South African: OUR banks didn't need to be rescued by the government, YOURS did. Who is the basketcase here?

Nay
April 24, 2009 11:43 AM

Oh Come on now. If u live in South Africa, u know how bad the country is because of ANC's policies. Hope they don't hold many seats in parliament this election cos Zuma is definitely going to abuse the free market like he did with the arms b4.

Perfect Moment Project
April 25, 2009 11:53 PM
http://perfectmomentproject.blogspot.com

Young South African journalist dies in a car crash. Her loss is a real loss to SA.

watch the video in this story ... listen to how she explains covering the atrocities in her country ... this young woman died last week in a car crash... even without the knowledge, her story helps me think American journalists got nothing to whine about .... http://tinyurl.com/cwauf8

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