Crunchy Con

Body, mind, and Chinese medicine

Tuesday June 23, 2009

Categories: Healing

In his 1993 PBS series (and companion volume) "Healing and the Mind," Bill Moyers went to China with Dr. David Eisenberg of Harvard Medical School, who is trained in both Western and Chinese medicine. Here are a couple of interesting excerpts from their conversation:

EISENBERG: The whole Chinese medical system is based on the notion that the way you relate to other people, the way you think, and your emotions govern your health and illness -- what kind of life you'll have and what kind of death you'll have.

MOYERS: Why do the Chinese grasp that in a way we don't? We don't look at our medical system that way. We want a cure.

E: I think the entire Chinese culture is based on the notion that there is a correct way to live, and that how you live ultimately influences your health. It's not just diet or exercise, it's also a spiritual or emotional balance that comes from the way you treat other people and the way you treat yourself. That has always been the highest goal of living in all the Taoist and Confucian traditions. And since that's the basis of their culture, it spills over into their medicine.

M: So there is an ethical foundation to Chinese medicine.

E: Yes, the Chinese medical system is based primarily on Taoism, which claims that it's not just your physical well-being that determines your health, but also your behavior toward others. The doctor was part priest, part martial artist, part scholar, and part empirical scientist. But most of all, he was a teacher. And he not only taught you about diet and exercise, but also guided you psychologically and spiritually to become a better person, because that would shape your health. The doctor tried to teach people the best way to live their lives.

And:

EISENBERG: I think it's one of the most interesting questions the West could ask: Does your morality and intention really matter to your health? The Chinese, however, would not be interested in this question because to them, health was not limited just to one's physical health, but also included one's moral health. So, if you were physically strong but morally weak, you could not be considered "healthy." To us, this approach is combination of religion and medicine. But to them, the way you lived your life and your physical health were inseparable.

MOYERS: You're saying these people still see human beings as we were before Western knowledge broke us up into compartments, and separated the study of health into medicine and psychology and religion.

E: Yes, we invented the notion that "biology" and "physics" and "psychology' and "psychiatry" are separate. But if we want to deal with health, and we're looking only at the chemistry or the emitional state, we have an imperfect glimpse. The patient sitting before me brings with him or her not only chemistry, but also family, relationships, emotions, and character. The distinctions we bring to a hospital in terms of mind and body are abstractions that we make. The patient is still a whole person, and to help him or her get better, ideally we would deal with all of these aspects -- the balance of a person's life.

Dr. Eisenberg spoke to PBS Frontline in 2003 for a documentary series on alternative medicine. He was asked why we don't have clinical proof of the effiicacy of these alternative remedies. His answer was illuminating, as were his remarks about integrating "alternative" practices into Western medicine. Follow the jump for those:

What are the research issues in alternative medicine? Why isn't more research being done?

The issue isn't that complementary alternative and integrative medicine has been disproven, but that very little research in the last decade has been done to prove or disprove its efficacy or its cost effectiveness. We have so few studies that have been done to a level of excellence that they can authoritatively and definitively tell us, this does work, this doesn't.

I think the impatience on the part of the American public is totally understandable. Many of these therapies have been around or are available off the shelves now and people rightfully ask themselves and their doctors in white coats and nurses and pharmacists, does it work, yes or not? We don't have the information yet. So I understand the impatience.

But the researcher in me, not the clinician or the human being says, now wait a second, some things take time...Things don't grow well when they're terribly rushed. The same is true for large clinical trials. Often the first thing that has to happen with a large clinical trial is asking the right question. Does gingko do anything to change the mental competence of people with dementia? Important question. Does acupuncture, chiropractic, massage and having those therapies available to people in our workforce change the course of acute low back pain or chronic low back pain for people on assembly lines? Good questions. To do those studies often takes five, six, seven, ten years.

The reason it takes so long is as follows. A pilot study could prove that people would enter an experiment and that you could collect information. It might take you two or three years to convince the federal government or a foundation or yourself to do the study and get twenty people in the study. So you might have to write a proposal, get approval from your hospital and the institutional review board, get funding for it. Let's say that that takes two years. Then we have to do the pilot study and prove to those who are skeptical that you can do the experiment and that from that experiment you can design a larger experiment to answer more definitively whether it works, yes or no. Let's say that takes two years.

Then you have to reapply and get funding for the larger experiment, which in the case of a back pain trial might be two or three million dollars. You might have to go to the National Institutes of Health or other parts of the government and say, I now want two and a half million dollars to do this properly. By the way, I and my colleagues and my statistician and the acupuncturists and the chiropractors are not making a dime on this, we're just salaried clinicians as part of a research venture, but it's going to cost two and a half million dollars. That might take two years.

Then you have to recruit the patients...It took us over two years to recruit four hundred and fifty patients [for our back pain study]. It'll take us another year to carefully analyze the data. We will finish our analyses, submit it for publication, and it will probably take another year before it's published because it will go through multiple [revisions] and the constructive criticism by our thoughtful colleagues who say, convince me. Then it's published.... It's taking nine years, seven years, that's how long it sometimes takes.

Does the evidence show that complementary and alternative medicine work?
Let's put it a different way. Would you consider exercise, diet, lowering of cholesterol and stress management to be conventional therapies for heart disease or alternative therapies for heart disease? When I went through internal medicine training in the early 1980s, the notion that one could stabilize or reverse cardiovascular disease through diet, exercise and stress management was deemed as fairly preposterous. There's an example of where over twenty years the evidence showed that lifestyle mattered. That what you ate mattered. That folate mattered. That stress management mattered. This has morphed from a very alternative vantage point first made popular by Dean Ornish in the late 1970s to now part of conventional academic cardiology.

So we have to put these things into a historical perspective. Some things that are deemed alternative, complementary, unproven today, when passed through the prism of science, will come out the other side as evidence-based, helpful therapies that will become conventional. And then they will disappear into the mainstream of conventional medical care. That's the natural flow of things in clinical medicine.


Here's a link to the full transcript.

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Comments
Michele
June 24, 2009 3:31 AM

Rich, triglyceride levels of 900?? Whoa! Thanks for the story about the fish oil. Very interesting. Glad you hit on a very healthy, definitely better answer for the triglycerides and glad you shared this information. It is helpful for a family member that recently tested a bit high for triglycerides.

Observer
June 24, 2009 10:28 AM

KateA,

I hope you stay off of horses and bicycles and out of automobiles. If you break a bone, any bone, you will not find that lecithin tablets are much help; if you incur a compound fracture and do not seek help from "the medical-industrial complex" you will probably die of infection. That's what almost always happened in such cases, back in the day.

If it's OK with you that a broken arm is a death sentence, you're on the right track. Otherwise you might re-think your position.

Rich
June 24, 2009 10:40 AM

Michele
When I got that result I thought I was going to die any second but my doc said to relax, because he had seen triglyceride levels up around 2000 before! I didn't even know that was possible.

On the fish oil, I started by taking 5 capsules a day just before breakfast and gradually added more before dinner until I reached 10 a day. That puts me at around 3 grams of Omega 3 a day which has worked like a charm for me. Some people may get the same results with a bit less or more.

One thing to consider though - make sure you get fish body oil rather than liver oil (i.e. cod liver oil). The liver oils can have such concentrated levels of vitamin A that you can get toxic on it. Fish body oil won't though.

KateA
June 24, 2009 9:41 PM

I should've been more specific:

I don't have a problem with medical attention for physical injuries, like broken bones and cuts that require stitches and antibiotics. I'm a willing partaker of flu shots.

I'm not participating in the disease-of-the-month diagnosis and the use of prescription medicines to deal with chronic ailments. The "industrial" part of the problem.

Sometimes, as humans, we get aches and pains and Americans just can't seem to accept that.

Cholesterol issues, Type II diabetes, all that stuff--lifestyle is largely the cause (and the cure, if you change your lifestyle in time).

Prescription drugs are not the solutions to health issues, most of the time.

KateA
June 24, 2009 9:43 PM

I should mention that I won't take a swine flu shot, even though I've not missed a flu shot since 2001. If they do a combo, I'll sit out this year's flu shots. I don't trust that they can determine side effects quickly enough for the "newfangled" stuff.

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Rod Dreher is an editorial columnist for the Dallas Morning News, and author of "Crunchy Cons" (Crown Forum), a nonfiction book about conservatives, most of them religious, whose faith and political convictions sometimes put them at odds with mainstream conservatives. The views expressed in this blog are his own.

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