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Bones of St. Paul confirmed

Monday June 29, 2009

Categories: Religion (general)

Happy feast day of St. Peter and St. Paul. News from Rome says that tests performed on the bones believed to be St. Paul's indicate something important. Says the Associated Press:

The first-ever scientific test on what are believed to be the remains of the Apostle Paul "seems to confirm" that they do indeed belong to the Roman Catholic saint, Pope Benedict XVI said Sunday.

Archaeologists recently unearthed and opened the white marble sarcophagus located under the Basilica of St. Paul's Outside the Walls in Rome, which for some 2,000 years has been believed by the faithful to be the tomb of St. Paul.

Benedict said scientists had conducted carbon dating tests on bone fragments found inside the sarcophagus and confirmed that they date from the first or second century.

"This seems to confirm the unanimous and uncontested tradition that they are the mortal remains of the Apostle Paul," Benedict said, announcing the findings at a service in the basilica to mark the end of the Vatican's Paoline year, in honor of the apostle.

Well, strictly speaking, it only confirms that the bones are those of a man who lived and died in St. Paul's era. But I would certainly consider that these test results provide a powerful back-up to tradition. So, wonderful news.

But how odd that the AP would call St. Paul a "Roman Catholic saint." Actually, he's a saint for all Christians. This is not a minor, esoteric point.

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SDG
June 30, 2009 9:23 AM

Anon: What does "plausibility" have to do with the dictionary definition of "occult" you cited?

Hector
June 30, 2009 9:37 AM

Re: Transubstantiation also seems rather implausible. I've never tasted human flesh, but unless it tastes a lot like wheat wafers, I'm pretty sure transubstantiation isn't happening.

Transubstantiation referes to the fact that the _essence_ of the bread changes into the flesh of Christ, not the _accidents_. The accidents (taste, density, chemical composition, appearance) do not change.

Transubstantion cannot be proven false by any physical, chemical, or perceptual test. And in context of the text, the scriptural evidence is good that when Christ said "This is my body...." he was not just kidding around. There are very good reasons to accept transubstantiation (or at the least, consubstantiation).

Gerard Nadal
June 30, 2009 9:58 PM

RJohnson,

Good evening. Long time no se. Hope you are well. Per usual, you give me much to chew on.

"Such is the nature of faith, Gerard. Once we have evidence, we no longer need faith. Without faith it is impossible to please God, so is it reasonable for him to provide us evidence?"

While there is much truth in what you say, I offer the following to temper a too much reliance on faith. With the incarnation, God dramatically ratcheted up his signs designed to instill belief. There is a place for the miraculous, and for confirming Scriptural texts.

Imagine that 2,000 years from now, much of our knowledge and record of Western Civilization having been lost in a catastrophe similar to the burning of the library at Alexandria, our descendants question whether Abraham Lincoln actually existed. Was the Civil War real? The Emancipation Proclamation? Gettysburg Address? All of which have come down through the remnants of a people who still believe in the antiquated notion of democracy and representative government. Some textual critics doubt the historicity of such documentation, the originals of which cannot be accounted for after so long.

The stories about the burial of Lincoln, the disappearance of the body, retrieval, identification decades after his death and final burial under tons of concrete and metal all seem to be an elaborate construct of a legend that is highly suspect.

Then archeologists unearth a body from the reputed burial site, from under tons of concrete and metal, and carbon dating establishes the bones to date to the 19th or 20th centuries. Further, the bones are of a male of the same height as reported by the disciples of this man who stood for the dignity of the individual-a concept in tatters two millennia later. Would this not electrify the community of believers in the historical reality of Abraham Lincoln, and add one buttress to the body of literature ascribed to him? Sure it isn't a DVD, but momentous in light of the withering scepticism. No?

Well, that's my 2 cents worth for the day. Be Well.

Hepzibah
July 24, 2009 3:01 PM

"Saint" Paul is not a Roman Catholic saint. Paul was a Jew and I find it such hypocrisy by the Catholic Church that they would revere Peter's, Paul's or any other remains from the members of the first church yet hold the Inquistion against their possible descendants.

I am still asking myself - so whose DNA did the church compare the DNA of these bones - the Pontiff's?

Your Name
July 29, 2009 5:50 PM

Hepzibah July 24, 2009 3:01 PM "Saint" Paul is not a Roman Catholic saint. Paul was a Jew and I find it such hypocrisy by the Catholic Church that they would revere Peter's, Paul's or any other remains from the members of the first church yet hold the Inquistion against their possible descendants. I am still asking myself - so whose DNA did the church compare the DNA of these bones - the Pontiff's? Yes Paul is a Roman Catholic Saint first, as all people beleaving in Jesus were all catholic in the time in question. As in today from city to city there were lots of different understanding’s and caused divistions. As the letters of Paul showed us so clearly. Still there had been, no decisive church splits until 300 years later. As per the Jews they were killing the catholics of that time. Paul himself was murdering Catholics of that time. Before his convertion. The larger testamonil here is the proven line of unbroken apostalic sucsession. That is needed with transtanistion of the holy eucherist. The funny thing here is man is always telling God how he is willing to worship, instead of serendering to HIS teaching. Hence the splits of the Church. Other reasons have brought devisions lines of comunication broken, war’s, greed, power. All leading to the cause of political take over of different clurgy. Streching over time of many millinea. Trace able yes very requires a lot of reading and study time. However it is better that having so many questions. History and tradition combined with testing leads to the path of truth. I believe these are St Pauls remains. And He is a St to all yet Catholic first.

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Rod Dreher is an editorial columnist for the Dallas Morning News, and author of "Crunchy Cons" (Crown Forum), a nonfiction book about conservatives, most of them religious, whose faith and political convictions sometimes put them at odds with mainstream conservatives. The views expressed in this blog are his own.

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