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Europe and the far right

Friday June 19, 2009

Categories: Britain
A friend and reader of this blog just returned from a trip to Greece and Italy. He writes that in all his years visiting the region, he has never seen it so tense. The sense of anger at immigrants, and...
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Leah
June 19, 2009 12:07 PM

I had a conversation with a taxi driver too when I was in England, in lovely rural Kent. His theory was that England was already a third-world country and that things were going to be get much, much worse--UNLESS the government would give televisions to all the immigrants. Then they would have something to do besides have sex.

He was completely in earnest.

(But I have noticed that taxi drivers almost always want to talk about sex with me in some form or another. It's odd. And I'm from small-town Minnesota. I'm very rarely in a taxi. But when I am, here we go, here comes the sex talk. I've learned to brace myself.)

stari_momak
June 19, 2009 12:15 PM

Here is the 'radical' policy of the BNP.

1) End mass immigration, a restriction that will apply both to Europeans and to those from the Third World
2) Kick illegal aliens out of Britain
3) Offer legal immigrants and their recent progeny money to return to their country of origin.

As to the last, a similar policy is being pursued by the socialist Spanish government -- which to be fair gives the immigrant the right to return three years hence -- and the Japanese government (no chance to return). Moreover, as India basically grants automatic long term residence to those of Indian descent going back 3 generations (Google Person of Indian Origin Visa) and many Pakistanis go back and forth to the 'old country' to find a bride or join up with Islamic militants or whatever, it hardly seems that paying for voluntary resettlement is like sending folks to the GULAG>

It is true that BNP is 'racist' in the sense of limiting membership to whites -- but as they never tire of pointing out -- Britain, like America, is full of Blacks only this and that (see http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0107/2389.html for an American example)

Phreeque Shouw
June 19, 2009 12:48 PM

Another reason to fund birth control, including abortion services, now that the Bush II is back in TX; if the poor keep having babies, they're going to want to send them somewhere. Lower birthrates mean fewer boats crowded with desperate people crossing the Mediterranean (or the Rio Grande). A nation that can't feed what it breeds is a desperate-and dangerous-place, for everyone.

John Médaille
June 19, 2009 1:00 PM
http://distributism.blogspot.com

I am trying to think of any country that cannot feed itself, if food and other necessities are the only things at issue. I don't think there are any. Certainly no Mexico, a country rich in natural resources, nor Bangladesh, which is mostly fertile land. The reasons for great poverty are not natural, but political; it is not a lack of resources, but a lack of justice that causes poverty and immigration. Local famines do occur naturally, but most "famines" are man-made.

Bill Butler
June 19, 2009 1:52 PM

Mexico's problems are the result of many decades of political corruption and one-party rule.

The solution to them is not eugenocide imposed upon Mexicans by someone named Phreeque Shouw.

R Hampton
June 19, 2009 2:57 PM

The problem is that some "ordinary Britons" do not realize that people of different cultures can still be ordinary Britons: Jamaicans, Indians, Chinese, Agentinians, etc. It is the legacy from the days of Empire.

If you want to colonize the world, don't be surprised when the world arrives at your door.

Cecelia
June 19, 2009 2:58 PM

Actually most European countries cannot feed themselves - lack of land mass for the population they have. Britain generates 60% of its food - which is pretty high for a European country. I would think that as fuel gets more expensive and imported food then also gets more expensive, this may tend to cap population growth thru immigration.

I think the taxi driver got it right - from what I have seen in britain - there is a complete unwillingness to address problems around immigration and a dismissal of such concerns by labeling anyone who brings it up as "racist". It is amazing to see how stupid and dense a government can be.

One of the causes of immigration is the collapse of agriculture in third world countries. There are lots of reasons for this- expansion of the desserts, loss of potable water, improved technologies which result in less workers being needed for agriculture, inability to access markets etc. In short - many of the same reasons farmers in the US have a hard time.

The motive I think for most immigration proponents is that we have structured our economy in such a way that we need constant growth (as in your basic pyramid scheme). In the past one achieved growth by opening new markets thru colonialism. Now we achieve new expanding markets by promoting immigration. Of course the fallacy of such an approach is 1) we may run out of people who want to immigrate or 2) we run out of room. The English certainly seem to feel they are running out of room.

Something I find interesting in England is the spread of the transition town movement - I believe England has more transition towns than any country. It seems to reflect a belief that the government either will not or cannot address problems such as collapsing local economies, peak oil and climate change. While this is a good sign to see people organizing on a local level, it is a very bad sign to see such a loss of confidence in institutions.

Polichinello
June 19, 2009 3:34 PM

There are lots of reasons for this- expansion of the desserts, loss of potable water, improved technologies which result in less workers being needed for agriculture, inability to access markets etc.

Don't forget American and European ag subsidies, which render third world farmers non-competitive. That plays a large role in our illegal immigration problem.

thehova
June 19, 2009 4:10 PM

Kind of unrelated, but I think it's wonderful how talkative English taxi cab drivers are.

Last year in London, I had a lengthy conversation with a driver about the EU.

English Student
June 19, 2009 5:18 PM

A cab driver expresses sympathy for racists? Alert the press!

Jillian
June 19, 2009 6:59 PM


We should listen to the cab driver reverently, because simple-minded solutions always work out well.

stari_momak
June 19, 2009 7:31 PM

Jamaicans, Indians, Chinese, Agentinians, etc. It is the legacy from the days of Empire.

Why yes, just the other day I was reading a tome about the reign of terror that was British rule in Argentina.


Phreeque Show
June 19, 2009 11:59 PM

Yes, but having many more mouths than jobs can't help.

Jack Bauer
June 20, 2009 4:33 AM
http://www.hollycrud.com

"If you want to colonize the world, don't be surprised when the world arrives at your door."

Yet amazingly Britain is not over-run with Americans fleeing their country Well, not yet even though America was one of Britain's first colonies. Give Obama another few months.

Seriously Hampton, and no offense, but your statement is wonderfully dumb-assly silly. Thank you for your ignorance on the subject.

Leah2
June 20, 2009 7:33 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:French_Colonial_Nations.jpg

Jack Bauer,

Hampton's comments have quite a bit of truth to them. During the 19th and 20th centuries, colonial schools in Africa and Asia told children that they should regard the colonizing country as their "mother" and encouraged the use of English, French, etc. among the natives. Imperial imagery constantly used almost multicultural rhetoric to promote colonialism. During both World Wars, hundreds of thousands of colonial troops from Africa and Asia fought and died for the various European nations. The survivors of these wars still receive pensions from their respective colonizing country. So after being told for more than one hundred years to consider England, France, or Belgium their "mother," should it really be that surprising that some of the ex-colonial subjects took the propaganda as truth and started showing up?

Simon
June 20, 2009 1:06 PM

If you want to colonize the world, don't be surprised when the world arrives at your door.

The Brits owe most of their former colonial subjects absolutely nothing. The Brits left virtually every third world colony in better shape than any other colonial power would have, and FAR better shape than such places would have been without colonialism.

The economic and social collapse of those ex-colonies is invariably the product of the viscious, corrupt native regimes that took over from the British.

Athanasius
June 20, 2009 7:02 PM

Bill Butler wrote: "Mexico's problems are the result of many decades of political corruption and one-party rule."

Correction: Many CENTURIES of political corruption. History really does matter, and real conservatives never forget that we're creating the future today.

Laurrie
June 21, 2009 6:38 PM

"Immigrant" is code for "Muslim', right?

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